Surprising RESULT! Segway ZT3 Pro Range Test

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

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[@Patriot36]

Dude, I just got home from work and I haven't even watched the video yet. This is like movie night for me though and I've been looking forward to this all week. Haha! I really hope it's at least the 24-25mi earlier....

[@rh3309]

I have been getting similar results with my ZT3 Pro so far. I have 3 full charges on it so far. Finally a scooter that is as advertised.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

How are you liking the ride so far?

[@rh3309]

@tomsgadgetgarage On road it is a little rougher than the Max G2. However, I have been loving the off road ride. Once I learned to loosen up my stance I have been flying over some really bumpy terrain.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Yah, the Max G2 basically ruins it for nearly all other commuter type scooters with suspension haha. It’s sets the bar pretty high. Good to hear about your off road experience. I’m looking for some interesting scooter friendly trails in my area. More and more trails are throwing up signs about no e-bikes or motorized anything…pretty lame

[@rh3309]

@tomsgadgetgarage that hasn't happened here yet but my state doesn't allow on road use but that is not really enforced

[@crack1879]

hola la suspension que tal va? tiene el recorrido muy corto? no se si comprar este zt3 o el xiaomi 4 ultra... que tal te funciona este patinete ? la suspension delantera es dura o hace tope muy rapido? gracias

[@tonymitchell6269]

Another great video mate thank you. It's coming into summer here in Australia opposite to your location. Have fun and stay safe out there.

[@nicholasbrus8628]

I agree, 20mph is a good speed for range test and keeps the tests comparable. Thank you.

[@Patriot36]

Now my mind is working on a guess for South Mountain. IIRC, you limit the speed to 20mph uphill but then allow the scooter to go as fast as it wants to, while climbing. So, it will be climbing a bit faster and pulling more current than the Max G2, you'll also incur a bit more aerodynamic resistance because of the higher speed and It's also heavier. On the plus side it's battery is 8.3% larger and will experience less duration at that higher current which slightly offset some of the former. I'm thinking it will make all three lookouts, won't suffer from any heat issues, won't stop on any of the grades and it will have about 16-18% juice left at the end. From a commuter standpoint, that would be a huge win.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Yah I’m debating whether or not to limit the speed to 20mph or not on the hill climb. I originally did it with the Max G2 because I was concerned about overheating, but this scooter runs a lot cooler. What do you think? All out or 20mph?

[@Patriot36]

@@tomsgadgetgarage Dude, your South Mountain, commuter style hill climb is perfect, so 20mph for sure. Maybe you end up doing a different programs for your big sport scooters but the test you've been doing is a really good fit for the ZT3.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Yah you’re right, I’ll keep it to 20mph, especially since it’s got a relatively similar sized battery to a lot of the commuters.

[@eScootTalks]

I tested Navee V50, S65C and S65 and V50 impressed me keeping 25kmph all the way till 2% battery and I got over 32km on single chrge. I really wast expecting that. Great video.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Thank you! How are you liking the Navee scooters?

[@eScootTalks]

@tomsgadgetgarage well to be honest I love them. Range is really good for commuter eScooters, torque is nice and better than on other smaller eScooters. V50 my favourite folding that takes minimum space so it's with me 24/7 in my studio or car and S65C is super smooth to ride with brilliant brakes. S65 I sold because I get everything almost the same from S65C except for S65 being 48v system and having battery in aluminum housing that makes it more resistant to water damage. I'm hoping to get ZT3 pro at some stage to try it out. I see you tried Inmotion Climber. Want to know one secret?

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

That’s good to know. Yah I’ve seen advertisements for the Navee scooter in the past so was curious how they perform. Thanks! As for the InMotion, I did ride it quite a bit. Love that little scooter. What’s the secret?

[@eScootTalks]

@@tomsgadgetgarage battery actually supports 5A charging and I tested it with Ninebot Max charger. It recharges in 3 and a half hours that makes it even better eScooter. I tried it too and its on my bucket list. It really climbs hills briliantly. I did test hills and its insane what I managed to climb.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

That’s good to know! Thanks 😊. Yah this thing really does climb hills well, especially considering its size haha.

[@mnc303]

Great video, keep up the great work.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Thanks so much!

[@chrisdudley8366]

Hey Tom. Very cool range test. To be honest I'm totally surprised of the range. You were able to achieve. Great job. 😎

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

I was surprised as well haha. At the halfway point I was mentally calculating how far I might need to walk 😂. Ya never know with these range tests haha.

[@brianmc3479]

OK Tom I was waiting for this review and happy and sad to see it beat the ninebot G2 what I have lol

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

I was honestly surprised myself haha. I was expecting somewhere around the Apollo GO’s performance. Segway does string out the last part of the battery by slowly reducing speed over time in order to maximize range. I thought for sure it would stop before 22 miles, so I was delightfully surprised when it got to 23 miles. There are definitely scooters on the market that can go farther and have more power, but this thing does a great job of blending tech with performance and off pavement capability. They even have a branded charger which is almost unheard of with scooters and e-bikes lol.

[@Patriot36]

okay, okay, not too bad at all. It was about 1.5mi less than I thought but your average moving speed was .5mph faster than the Max G2 moving speed and it seemed like you were on the dirt a bit longer in this test compared to what I remember from your other range tests (I could be wrong). I like the ESG test as a worst case guide but it hurts similar scooters with higher top speeds and favors similar scooters with slower top speeds. I have found that all things being equal... speed, elevation, stop & go, rolling resistance, motor/controller efficiency, watt-hours will always be the most accurate indicator of range. You do a great job an controlling those factors as best as practically possible and I think we saw solid showing here!

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

It did better than I expected. I was expecting something closer to 20 miles, similar to the Apollo GO. The fact that it outperformed the Max G2 was pretty impressive. The 11” tires are also a plus. I had no issue transitioning from pavement to gravel/dirt. Yah there were a ton of people out and about today. It’s the cooler weather bringing everyone out haha.

[@lizvickers7156]

We don't call them grades in the uk we call them gradients. Cool scooter and very quiet sounding.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Ah, good to know. It’s always fun to see how things go by different names in various part of the world. Yah this scooter is pretty quiet. The tire noise when accelerating actually reminds me of a Boeing 777 or Airbus A350 spooling up their engines for take off haha.

[@alekseipopov9919]

I'm seeking advice on choosing between the Segway ZT3 Pro and the Apollo City 2024 electric scooters. My priorities are range and ride comfort; acceleration and top speed are less critical. I plan to use the scooter on a mix of asphalt and gravel roads, as well as park trails. Any insights or recommendations based on these criteria would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for the video!

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

So range is going to be the limiting factor on the ZT3 Pro. I was able to squeeze out 23 miles with speed capped at 20mph and me weighing in with gear at 204lbs. The good news is this thing charges very fast with the 3.9 amp charger. I personally haven’t had the opportunity to ride the Apollo City 2024 yet, so I can’t comment on the feel of the suspension between the two. For me, the ZT3 Pro is a comfortable scooter to ride and the suspension does a good job of absorbing much the lumps and bumps in the road. It does ride a bit more stiff than a scooter with a hydraulic suspension, but I think the City 2024 also uses straight springs.

[@nokbok6536]

I understood correctly that charging from 0-100% takes 4 hours? I bought this scooter ☺️ my first one, it will come home in November..so I hope I won't be disappointed. Do you think it was a good choice ... 12 km to work 12 km from work ... asphalt surface without all the hills flat?

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Congrats! Yah for those distances you’ll be fine. The charging time is very nice haha.

[@YouTubeButcher]

Hey can you do a video of Apollo go vs Zt3 pro

[@honigferd]

I do wonder, how big are the chances there will be some for of first or third party battery extension? I do really like the featureset and it's one of the few ones that's readily available around here, but I regularly communte ~23km and cannot reliably charge before going back.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Hello! Do you have lots of hills where you live or is it mostly flat? It would be awesome if they offered an upgrade kit with a larger battery. I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

[@honigferd]

It’s mostly flat with just slight inclines every now and then and the road quality is really good.

[@ArmandoLopez-ou3xu]

Trying to decide between this scooter and the vmax vx4 but can not decide. Any insight ?

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

I haven’t tested the VMAX VX4 but I’ve heard great things about it. If I went with VX4, id go with the ST or GT for range. The ZT3 Pro is also a sweet ride that’s full of tech and rides like it’s on rails.

[@anders5444]

I got 17km range riding off road 35kph top speed light regen

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

How are you liking the feel of the ride off road?

[@anders5444]

@@tomsgadgetgarage it’s pretty stiff suspension . The other features make it improved over maxg2 for sure will say

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Yah I took the Max G2 out for a spin today and was once again impressed with the suspension. Super smooth.

[@anders5444]

@@tomsgadgetgarage yes I did my range test 20km off roading. Seen yours I think regen hurts range tbh more for city riding where you HAVE to stop frequently.

[@nokbok6536]

good day supertest ....I don't speak English, I'm from the Czech Republic..so I didn't understand much...please what was the weight of the rider, the distance traveled and was the recuperation on or off? thank you very much 👍 good work

[@1wor1d]

Rider weighed 204lb/92.6KG including baggage etc, 37km range at a cruising speed of 32kph. BTW I'm from Australia and can speak English and I can convert miles and pounds to kilometres and kilograms.

[@ThaChosenGreen]

Hi Tom, Just1Moe from New York. Have you had a chance to update firmware? I wanted your expert opinion on it before I perform an update. Below are the details. V1.2.8 - Motor controller 1. Optimize the riding experience when going downhill and over a pit 2. Optimize the riding experience when using cruise control 3. Improve the motor's operating sound control, firmware compatibility and stability V1.4.5 - Vehicle controller 1. Added: when the timed charging function is on, press the brake for 3S to charge immediately and turn off the timed charging function 2. Added tire pressure reminder function, which requires the App to be no less than V6.6.8 3. Added custom button to enter PARK gear 4. Added push vehicle startup function switch which requires the App to be no less thar V6.6.8 5. Optimized the safety experience during abnormal movement alarm 6. Optimized the default sensitivity of abnormal movement alarm to standard 7. Improved the security, compatibility and stability of the firmware Many thanks!

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Hello! I actually installed the updates prior to the range test, and the scooter performed very well. My only issue is with cruise control. For whatever reason I can’t activate it.

[@ThaChosenGreen]

@tomsgadgetgarage How did they say you activate it? I just updated firmware only the following changes were made in the App. Ninebot Laboratory: Push vehicle ahead and the vehicle powers on itself. On/Off function. Custom Button Settings Park Mode: Quickly enter/exit Park Mode

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

So in the manual they say to hold the cruise button for two seconds while riding at a set speed. I’ve been holding for all kinds of seconds with no luck haha. I will try again tonight.

[@ThaChosenGreen]

@@tomsgadgetgarage just to confirm, is that the Red button?

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

@@ThaChosenGreen it’s the top button for mode. You’ll see a little speedometer looking icon on it. I wasn’t able to get cruise control to work this evening either.

[@nokbok6536]

was the speed limited to 20 mph ?=32.2 km/h ? so if we have a maximum of 25 km/h, can I drive more kilometers in sport mode?

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Hello! Speed was limited to 32.2km/h. If you drive at 25km/h, you’re going to get a lot more range.

[@nokbok6536]

​@@tomsgadgetgaragethank you, you are the best tester

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Thank you 😊

[@ChoJun69]

@@nokbok6536 the speed is the biggest drain on the battery, the second probably either weight of the rider or how often you stop and go (crossings+lights) etc. because of acceleration to push max speed again from 0. Lower speed+little stops = you can expect even more range, if you're a bit overweight, its a good motivator to lose weight too, for some people at least lol.

[@W_1_3_7]

That’s really deal breaker - 600Wh max battery for it… just a sick joke. It should be at least 1000wh or better 1500wh.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Yah the battery is small compared to what you normally see in scooters this size. They do offer a lot of tech for the money though. If you need something for short commutes and enjoy the latest tech, it’s an attractive option. But if you need something for long rides, there are other similarly priced or even cheaper options.

[@snoopysrc]

You need a portable power station to take with you and the scooter charger

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

Ha! They sell it bundled with one now haha

[@deapthynka1]

I just added this one to my collection. Its taller, wider, higher deck, ride quality is nowhere near as smooth as my max G2. You feel every jolt up your spine like on my max g30. It's faster but keep your knees bent.

[@eugene188]

the dual suspension doesn't do its job???

[@bencoelho3]

Do people in the USA actually realise they are the only country on the planet to use the imperial system?

[@1wor1d]

There's also Myanmar and Liberia who plod along with the imperial system. Oh and the British are still struggling with the metric system, they will know how many stones they weigh and how many feet they are tall, but buy their fruit and veg by the kilo!!

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

We do haha. It really is an inconvenient way to measure distances and weight.

[@anders5444]

If you ride sport range is like half that it’s really bad.

[@tomsgadgetgarage]

So this was Sport mode with speed capped at 20. With unrestricted speed I estimate it’ll be closer to 17-18 miles based on what I did in the first impressions ride, but that’ll be a test in the coming weeks.