How we can benefit from A.I. without using it!

An idea that considers how animation artists, AI software corporations, industry unions, and government can work together to create a fund that provides health and medical benefits to the actual people that feed the data from which AI art is generated.
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[@Democracity]

Very interesting discussion! Definitely feels like the wild west - like we're in the 'Napster era' of AI before it's more legal and (hopefully) equitable evolution.

[@chaztrammell123]

This is a great idea. Currently, there isn't a federal law on AI, with the exception of the current USPTO guidance on copyright and trademark. So, with you're proposal, the idea of royalties would include IMDB credits to approve a minimum living wage. With all of that said it would work but, you would have to have legislation to make it happen especially with the unions.

[@SurvivingAnimation]

@@chaztrammell123 Thanks! And yep that’s why government is one of the main pillars of this idea!

[@michaelmennies1685]

@@SurvivingAnimation But how do you imagine this working in animation that is a very international industry. If this just becomes about US union work, it will simply drive the industry out of the US. And while an ASCAP/BMI model is interesting, the lines of authorship are much cleaner in that world than the influence of some design by an artist who was inspired by another artist's contribution to a final generated piece of work. I ultimately believe that these AI tools will simply produce the best results when prompted by the most talented artists, but there will simply be less people working in the arts professionally. I think we just had the good fortune of working during the golden age of media production made by large crews.

[@SurvivingAnimation]

@@michaelmennies1685 Hey that's a great question! You're totally correct that the big flaw in my idea is that it's US-based only. But I'm also only targeting US software companies with this idea. In terms of union, I'm not proposing that union members get this benefit because those unions already cover health and medical for their members. I'm saying that Industry Union should manage the fund and approve applications for any applicant making claim that they're producing art that is being used for software training (through human judgement and software-company-generated source tracking). None of this should effect any cost of production for actual animation produced in the US. It will, however, cause an incremental cost in the creation of AI software. But I believe it's their responsibility to include this cost as it's a way to pay back the original human artists.

[@Distrakt]

Rah rah rah lets go! The modern day tools available to assist in development is a paradigm shift indeed however being swift and able to adjust to it is just that surviving animation. Yes will continue to keep the pencil sharp and the screen tablet clean while working with a high trust team. Thank you for another fantastic stream

[@spacemanwillie]

For this all to work, there have to be unions across the board in the first place. Right now most of the worldwide animation industry workers are equivalent to non-existent. This is true even at the government level, at least in Canada where they don't even have a section for that industry sector. They mash it all up into 'graphism'. There is a lot to be done just to be recognized as professionals who do a wide variety of eclectic tasks, frame by frame, before we can even talk about any type of regulations.

[@SurvivingAnimation]

Thanks for your comments. I don't disagree and feel a great sympathy for countries where animation labor unions aren't strong. Didn't I just recently hear though that Titmouse in Vancouver is now a union shop? As for the other points, I guess we have to start somewhere! So, I'm not afraid to be a crazy dreamer who wants change!

[@spacemanwillie]

@@SurvivingAnimation Yes I share the same dream. There is indeed a wave of unionization happening across Canada. Your channel is helping the world understand our industry and I am really thankful that you're doing that. I want to stress that my comments are in no way a disagreement with any of the things you are sharing. I write them to try to expand the discussion further and find ways to slowly make that common dream come true, no matter how long it will take.

[@michaelmennies1685]

I would have to assume you mean AI engines ingesting materials that are not yet in the public domain or have not been legally acquired specifically for this task.

[@SurvivingAnimation]

@@michaelmennies1685 Correct!

[@billdrastal6398]

With all due respect, this is why copyright laws exist. A corporate entity must get permission or buy a license to use anyone's copyrighted creations. This "fund" idea is just a way for the corporation to lower its costs. This whole idea that a union or government overseeing it is just a distraction from the fact that now, instead of having to pay a huge percentage of its budget for the use of someone's image/idea, it can just say oh, we paid the Bot fund, we're covered. AI companies need vast amounts of data to make their models work, so much so that they're already running out of data even after they've stolen most of their data sets. So even if that fund was 1 billion dollars, it would hardly be worth monetarily it to cover everyone that has the idea sucked into the machine; this is a flawed model.

[@AaronTanyhill]

I think when we see more decisions handed down by courts in these Stability AI cases we will get a handle on the strength of these copyright protections, so far we know it has led to standing, should be interesting to see more in the coming months especially as I believe one of the defenses may very well be Fair Use