Susannah meets Isabel

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Diwakar Pant

Diwakar Pant

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Beautiful scene from Legends of the Fall. Love that movie

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@mochuisle9030
@mochuisle9030 2 жыл бұрын
They way she played this role.. my God, what a talent. I felt the pain of this scene like a thousands knives slicing my heart.
@missygraceful
@missygraceful Жыл бұрын
She s underrated
@monmothma3358
@monmothma3358 Жыл бұрын
Still wonder why she disappeared
@lisaannejane2
@lisaannejane2 12 жыл бұрын
I always tear up when Susannah looks at Samuel. You can see how much she wanted children and never had any. And that backward glance she gives as she and Alfred leave gets to me every time.
@rotyler2177
@rotyler2177 2 жыл бұрын
Superb acting.
@xyPERSON
@xyPERSON 11 жыл бұрын
"Tristin died in 1963, in the moon of the poppy trees. His grave is unmarked, but it does not matter. He always lived on the border... somewhere between this world and the next." That statement by One Stab sums up the character of Tristin for anyone who was confused about him while viewing the film.
@nowirehangers2815
@nowirehangers2815 2 жыл бұрын
It was a good death
@LonnieBhi
@LonnieBhi 4 жыл бұрын
Timing in relationships is everything. Isabel 2 was lucky to get Tristan when he was in a "better place". Although something tells me if Susannah had waited for Tristan, he probably still wouldn't have married her.
@katierojas8066
@katierojas8066 3 жыл бұрын
I ain’t waitin for a man. It was years before he came back home. I would move on too. He was a bootlegger. No thanks. Alfred was honest and successful which at this point in my life, that’s what I would want. Not some wild boy who bootlegs and puts his family in danger. Boy bye
@flagal519
@flagal519 3 жыл бұрын
There is no waiting in love: if this guy didn't want her to begin with, enough to go after her and make it happen, she was waiting for nothing. Meanwhile, she had a handsome, successful man who really loved her and she didn't appreciate him. That is the tragedy. Bad boys will break your heart. Its not worth it.
@melikea.1513
@melikea.1513 3 жыл бұрын
She always been reminds his brother to him
@rlabarbera
@rlabarbera 3 жыл бұрын
@@katierojas8066 I was glad when Tristan was eaten by the bear. He was a jerk.
@catspaw3092
@catspaw3092 3 жыл бұрын
Too true, Tristan wouldn't have married her I also think she's unable to have kids that's why she said "Just give me a chance" to which Tristan said "Don't do that" he wasn't interested in settling down with her. He wouldn't even look Susannah in the face he didn't want her & he felt he had betrayed his brother Sam plus his older brother left because of him.
@nivledamh
@nivledamh 7 жыл бұрын
You can tell that tristan is happy and at peace!She on the other hand is not!On another note how cute is that little boy!!
@rotyler2177
@rotyler2177 7 жыл бұрын
Susannah was unable to have children with Tristan. I think this is why she is haunted by the meeting.
@DeepScreenAnalysis
@DeepScreenAnalysis 6 жыл бұрын
Tristan is responsible for her state of mind. He just abandoned her and left her to rot.
@keece64
@keece64 5 жыл бұрын
@@DeepScreenAnalysis Well she took advantage of him when he was broken by his brothers death he wasn't stable of course it wouldn't last
@DeepScreenAnalysis
@DeepScreenAnalysis 5 жыл бұрын
Tristan came onto HER after his brother's death. He manipulated HER feelings. Did we even watch the same movie?@@keece64
@catspaw3092
@catspaw3092 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what he looks like now?
@chateaux-capristovall2048
@chateaux-capristovall2048 9 жыл бұрын
So sad. The acting. The theme music. The story. All heart-breaking, yet so beautiful.
@lordalessan
@lordalessan 9 жыл бұрын
I feel Susannah's pain here. In one scene earlier in the film, Susannah was planning her future with Tristan and one of her dreams was to have his son and name it after Samuel. Now, she sees it come true with Tristan and another woman.
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 9 жыл бұрын
Because he wanted to spite her. She couldn't have her wish and because she had married without him he became selfish. I don't know who Hollywood is trying to kid with their promotion of a child marrying a middle aged man and trying to make it seem like a love story. especially by making her predict things as a child. There was no depth in isabel at all nor was there true love. It was to have kids and put on a facade of moving on with life. leaving the kids behind and bootlegging proved it. I think people are not critical enough. This is Hollywood's version btw. 1)"time goes by and we feel safe too soon."This shows two things. a) He is basically stating that Tristan jumped into thinking he was "HAPPY". He is saying that Tristan is actively SEEKING a false, peaceful happiness, unlike the tumultuous love for Susannah, that will not tax his nerves. Everyone wants that but it is seldom obtainable! Tristan had MISSED his one chance at happiness with Susannah, and in seeking it with Isabel Two, had found only a small part of it, that was ultimately false, not the REAL LOVE of his life, but rather, someone comfortable to him and approved of by his relatives. 2) He had ptsd and knew that he would not be the same unless he found some clarity in life. When he wrote the letter to Susannah, I believe it was out of love. He knew he was not in the right state of mind and didn't think he would return home and if he did, he know that he, at least in that state, couldn't make her happy the way she deserved. The note was written to free her, so she could officially be happy, which I believe he did out of selflessness only coming from true love, not because he truly let her go. This is proven when Tristan returns the second time with obvious intentions of marrying her because now in sane mind, he believed they would be able to be together. He even goes to speak with her, not his brother and when he sees her in the garden, you can see it in his face how much he still loves her and even more so as he explains to her the reasoning behind sending her the bracelet while persuading her to keep it. I believe he married Isabelle two because he was lonely and while he cared very deeply for her, I don't feel his love for her was the same as that for Susannah.I believed he still loved her despite knowing they would never be together. When he receives the news she has passed, you can tell beyond doubt he loved her and that it broke his heart Putting another's happiness above your own is true love in its purest form. And I must add, he found a creepy infatuation with a developing CHILD 3)His relationship with isabel seemed very platonic and even alfred sees how they are more like siblings. There is no passion there. Tristan was never like he was before. And that was the aim too! They changed his character for the worse and he lost his wildness and passion for life. The tristan character overall was contradictory. I know many women married to a real tristan and he isn't like the movie made him to be. Nor are those men attracted to children lol. Isabel had issues and I found it wrong for the writers to have included her. This could still have been the tragedy they wanted but it sadly didn't flow. I suggest you watch a river runs through it. It is a great film and James's music would have fared better there.
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 8 жыл бұрын
You need to ask yourself that
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 8 жыл бұрын
+Coco Pops ... While Hollywood has always been far from perfect, relationships with huge age gaps are as commonplace as it gets. Mostly these relationships survive as much as the so called regular marriages, perhaps longer. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, but I wouldn't look down upon any of the two just because they had a seemingly large age gap. Tina Turner is 16 years elder to Erwin Bach and they are still together after 30 years. And that's just one example
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 8 жыл бұрын
And do you wonder why they survive? Because of manipulation, control, grooming or even exchanging money for power and wealth. Anyone with a mind and even an education in psychology or science knows this. Maybe a century ago it was normal in the western world but people became more clued on and guided their kids instead of marrying them off to ageist males. I will give a list of OK age gaps. Age is no just a number when it comes to LOVE. Under 21 and the most the gap should be is 2 years due to huge changes in mind and body. 21+ and 5-8 years is fine. When you're around 30, 13 years max. The other person was at least a proper child when you were born and the motives are not something awful. After both are mid forties and over then a slightly smaller gap in the teens is fine. I laugh when people claim these relationships LAST longer. Time is NOTHING if character is bad. Motives do play a part. And our ageist society who promotes old men and young women and now even the other way around (even less so than the former) needs to stop. Young people ARE easily controlled and DO have a different view of the world. I have experience in these sort of 'relationships' and was even groomed and abused by someone who claimed to LOVE me even though I was a child! And I have met many women who did wake up one day and realise what they were being used for. Anyone with a mind , experience or someone who has received guidance as they should have from their parents KNOWS what these relationships are about. So no this isn't about opinion. It is about fact. It's the reason for why in the mid ish 1900s people knew all about what these relationships were about. AND kids were more stable before social conditioning. Most got jobs, married and had kids. But then came the conditioning Hollywood to promote whatever they wanted. Why do you think kids became reckless? They were taught that it was normal. Why do you think more older men are ageist and think they have the right to hit on girls their child or even grandchild's age? Because theporn industry as well as Hollywood has always promoted these relationships and its why people (sane ones at least) are SICK of the constant ageist sentiments. In third world countries you will see what huge age gap relationships are about and it certainly isn't love. Cannot believe people judge something based on time! These sort of people trade partners until they get someone young enough. I do wonder how their exes feel. Most sane people would rather see an old couple rather than an old aging fool with someone he got under his foot or even has a contract of exchanging with. Character matters and so do motives.
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 8 жыл бұрын
+Coco Pops ... One could argue and in many cases rightly so too that the whole institution of marriage is about men trying to control women.. that all religions are about men trying to manipulate women... but in my constrained worldview, I have seen that despite what the facebook forwards or whatsapp jokes may want us to believe, not all men are the same nor are all women or all marriages and relationships. And there is no such thing as ever lasting love, however there are ever lasting marriages... You call it control and manipulation, I have seen compromises at work there.... and in any lasting relationship, there have to be compromises, willingly or otherwise... Whether it is a good thing or not, is for them to decide, I don't judge them either way. I agree with you about the social conditioning played on by Hollywood at the behest of the corporations behind it.. and yes it certainly IS a sorry state of affairs.... But to say that these things never happened before Hollywood became so big and powerful is also not correct... They happened just as often, only the expectations were more realistic. People invested more in the relationship rather than in themselves or in the partner ... of course "social conditioning" of that time played its part too.. Don't be swayed too far by LOVE. It is a high, perhaps stronger than blue magic ... nothing more than a BIG rush of dopamines that makes the colors look brighter and world more pink . And like all highs, it invariably wears off sooner or later... I am genuinely sorry for what you have been through in the past and hope you ended up wiser despite your battle scars, but there is a world beyond these perverted men and women where normal people live and do normal things. And yes, age is just a number there. Now please allow me to wish you a wonderful New year today, for new surprises and new madnesses to keep you excited... and keep posting... Cheers
@MrGanaface
@MrGanaface 9 жыл бұрын
Brat Pitt is too good looking, putting all of us boys to shame!
@ritascott646
@ritascott646 5 жыл бұрын
He was beautiful.
@Cerdo_asqueroso
@Cerdo_asqueroso 5 жыл бұрын
@@ritascott646 Was? He is still alive
@bigrobtv1040
@bigrobtv1040 4 жыл бұрын
Not Big Rob Fitnesss
@cell9077
@cell9077 4 жыл бұрын
No sorry for me he isnt the prettiest...Daniel Day Lewis in young age is like an art to him...
@sally3024-h4c
@sally3024-h4c 4 жыл бұрын
I agree . One of the most beautiful men to ever exist
@Bumblebee-jl3ur
@Bumblebee-jl3ur 4 жыл бұрын
I can literally feel Susannah's pain. I love this movie. Been watching it frequently for literally years!
@Light-sf7tj
@Light-sf7tj 3 жыл бұрын
Awe Isabel she is so sweet.. the way she exchanges compassionate eye contact with Susannah is so humble.
@7eslisims
@7eslisims 5 жыл бұрын
I can't help but cry every time I see this scene... I feel her pain.
@mattnewberry8140
@mattnewberry8140 Жыл бұрын
the pain is real when u see the man u love with the family u always wanted. I even felt it and im a dude
@mgeek1
@mgeek1 3 жыл бұрын
There are no words to express how beautiful and moving this movie is.
@rossmcl1776
@rossmcl1776 9 жыл бұрын
That's my favourite scene in the whole movie. Really well-acted by all of them.
@tional5266
@tional5266 8 жыл бұрын
except the baby
@Ashley-jv8vj
@Ashley-jv8vj 6 жыл бұрын
You always want what you can't have. But this is one heartbreaking scene.
@wildlyunrulyadventures3942
@wildlyunrulyadventures3942 2 жыл бұрын
You can really feel Susannah's pain of seeing children with Tristan and named Samuel no less. The foreshadowing in this film is impeccable at how simplistic it is because it never gives way to the true twists and turns that you never saw coming. Brilliantly done.
@shereenmajid1
@shereenmajid1 6 жыл бұрын
Her eyes tells lots of pain and sadness
@redhedgehogocarina
@redhedgehogocarina 12 жыл бұрын
"... Samuel?" =') That scene between her and little Sam brings me to tears, every time. It's hard to face the past.
@jakethemuss3
@jakethemuss3 10 жыл бұрын
Susannah realizes that should have been her kid. Devastated.
@JustDebz
@JustDebz 7 жыл бұрын
Love the one you're with. Alfred loved Susanna; too bad she couldn't give him the love he deserved.
@samim2194
@samim2194 6 жыл бұрын
sometimes u cant choose to stop loving someone and they re is no more room for someone else
@Ashley-jv8vj
@Ashley-jv8vj 6 жыл бұрын
BellyJewel Deborah Alfred knew that she would always love him. And he still got with her.
@catspaw3092
@catspaw3092 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ashley-jv8vj He even said he knew she didn't love him just like he reminded his dad about his marriage to his mom. But Alfred no doubt kept hoping Susannah would fall in love with him which she didn't She should've just took her ass back to Boston & saved herself & the remaining bros the heartache. In the book her parents are alive & they loved Alfred but didn't like Tristan.
@LuxMeow
@LuxMeow 4 жыл бұрын
We don't choose who we love, it's both biology & psychology. Look up attachment theory.
@summer-c7i
@summer-c7i 4 жыл бұрын
Love can't be forced. She settled for Alfred, as Tristan settled for Isabel Two. Alfred thought that he could change her heart by being the good guy. He knew she didn't love him romantically. Susannah used Alfred, and he allowed it. She shouldn't have done that. Selfish. Alfred and Susannah should've never been together.
@patriciahadley2374
@patriciahadley2374 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the scenes where Julia Ormond shows what an excellent actress she is. She's bravissima in showing an enormous gamma of emotions especially the ones connected to sadness. She has an enormous sensitivity. Thumbs up to Brad Pitt too. Apart from being absolutely gorgeous, his acting is incredible. Beautiful film! 🧡
@monmothma3358
@monmothma3358 Жыл бұрын
Her name is Julia Ormond, but I agree 100% with everything else you said.
@patriciahadley2374
@patriciahadley2374 Жыл бұрын
@@monmothma3358. Thanks, I've corrected her name. 👍
@podsmpsg1
@podsmpsg1 7 жыл бұрын
Susannah is angry because Isabelle gave Tristan what she can't (or couldn't) and that Tristan gave Isabelle what he couldn't give her. She's very bitter about that.
@kerrymillar1267
@kerrymillar1267 3 жыл бұрын
She’s not bitter at all only heartbroken.
@podsmpsg1
@podsmpsg1 3 жыл бұрын
@@kerrymillar1267 I know she's heartbroken.
@cherylhulting1301
@cherylhulting1301 Жыл бұрын
Susannah is more heartbroken than bitter about it. She kills herself in despair because she never regained the sense of freedom she felt while she was with Tristan. It's really Tristan who is the rock that everyone breaks themselves against.
@DeepScreenAnalysis
@DeepScreenAnalysis 12 жыл бұрын
I will always believe that Susannah's love for Tristan was so intense that it manifested itself as an evil karma that caused Isabel Two to die so violently.
@KingofgraceSARA
@KingofgraceSARA 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Deep.
@yoshislover89
@yoshislover89 3 жыл бұрын
That is called jealousy.
@MRS.TRIPLE-A321
@MRS.TRIPLE-A321 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no question! Plus when Tristan is in jail she admits she wanted Isabel Two to die! And you say love but that woman lusted after Tristan, you can see that while she’s still engaged to a breathing Samuel. That’s why she says maybe I even wanted Samuel to die. To me that was her admitting I’ve wanted you since day 1. She was hoping to build a happily ever after with Tristan on the foundation of that lust & shared sorrow over Samuel’s death. That’s why I love the married life montage between Tristan & Isabel Two. Love with the right person is like medicine, but lust will eventually make you sick.
@unknownstranger6875
@unknownstranger6875 Жыл бұрын
@@MRS.TRIPLE-A321 Yup Susannah didn’t love Tristan, she was obsessed with him. To truly love someone is to want them to be happy even if it’s not with you. Tristan just used Susannah yet immediately wife’d Isabel 2 because that’s the woman he truly loved. Susannah should have left that family alone when Samuel died. She took advantage of Tristan’s vulnerability when he was mourning Sam’s death and tried to do so again when Isabel 2 died. I’m glad he rejected her obsessive ass, but wish she had gotten help.
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 12 жыл бұрын
@MultiGem. I felt sad for both the women. They both died for him in their own way. As One Stab puts it towards the end of the story: He was a rock they broke themselves against however much he tried to protect them
@Michelle-qq4sd
@Michelle-qq4sd 2 жыл бұрын
She feels too much sorry for herself. In this life, best to learn to be grateful for what you got.
@lollipopsnsugarsmiles4176
@lollipopsnsugarsmiles4176 6 жыл бұрын
This was a huge slap in the face. Poor Susanna
@sharoncruz9541
@sharoncruz9541 2 жыл бұрын
susannah's character had a great impact on me that after watching the movie, i swore not to name my future daughter after her. julia ormond played her so well that i can imagine any other actress to portray susannah.
@jeffc3381
@jeffc3381 2 жыл бұрын
shes an amazing actress
@chrischaplin8497
@chrischaplin8497 3 жыл бұрын
Just one of the saddest scenes I have seen in a movie
@alicegraham1571
@alicegraham1571 3 жыл бұрын
Agent J: "better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all, right?" Agent K: *glares back* "Try it"
@kmk2982
@kmk2982 5 жыл бұрын
I see her pain. But also protective disdain from Isabel II, directed at Susanna. She absolutely emanates it when Susanna leans in & peeks at the new baby. There is so many undercurrents for them all; brilliant directing.
@spacekase2319
@spacekase2319 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to the Susannah fans out there but no one held a gun to her head and forced her to marry his brother. She said so herself "Forever turned out to be too long" - she can't expect him to sit around pining for her.
@cherylhulting1301
@cherylhulting1301 Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with you. But the tragedy is that even had Susannah waited for Tristan, Alfred was right - it's doubtful Tristan would ever have married Susannah. She loved him far more than he could allow himself to love her. No matter how anyone slices it, Tristan did not treat Susannah well. The kindest thing he actually did for her was to send his devastating letter telling her to move on. She tried, half heartedly. But her love for Tristan was ultimately her undoing.
@jealousharibo
@jealousharibo 11 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but I think the opposite. Susannah was like spell nd he ran away to get rid off it(though, of course, he was a human being, so he loed her at the time), bur when he got home again, he got it being completely changed and while still had warm feelings for Susannah, who he loved was Isabel Two.
@beccamarie9782
@beccamarie9782 4 жыл бұрын
Suzanna and Isabelle met when she first came to the ranch with Samuel. She bonded with Isabelle and cared for her. She also, helped her in her studies as a little girl.
@MaevaStardust
@MaevaStardust Жыл бұрын
When she looked at Samuel, I can feel her pain. 😭
@nichline
@nichline 4 жыл бұрын
I fucking hated it when they killed off Isabel 😤
@wulftarot
@wulftarot 3 жыл бұрын
Susannah needed to come to terms that she needed to love herself more than a man who she looked up to. He obviously didn’t deserve her love beyond admiration, especially when he only lusted after her- never allow yourself to be used by a man just to lie to yourself that you can change his feelings to love you. It’s admirable that she knew what she wanted but it became her weakness when she couldn’t let go, when she placed what she wanted on a higher pedestal than herself. How could she enjoy life when she chose to feel sentimental about these things she chose to value when she can let go. Her loyalty is commendable but it’s more damaging to herself only. She can choose who she desires to be loyal to and it’s important for women like her to respect themselves. She is no less than the couple just because they got everything she wanted. Susannahs life was spared from their tragedy. I would never wish for tristans life story. She needs to not think so highly of just another man. Just because he made her feel so special once- because Susannah just needs to put herself out there more and not commit- and not wait for anyone. She needs to free herself so she can find her real happiness.
@fleurgi
@fleurgi 12 жыл бұрын
i think he did at one time but he moved on and found true happiness that completed him with a wife he adored and two wonderful sons
@Joanafandrade
@Joanafandrade 3 жыл бұрын
Damn this scene and the acting was phenomenal. How could Tristan do that to Susannah? You can feel her pain. In the end he looses his wife and Susannah. This movie is a romance but the most sad and tragic one i ever saw.
@monicaalva2423
@monicaalva2423 4 жыл бұрын
I believe neither Tristan or Alfred were right for Susannah. The one who was perfect for her was Samuel. After Samuel died in the war, she should have left and move on with her life elsewhere. Her relationships with Tristan and Alfred only brought pain to her, the brothers and the enitre family. I am sure she would have recovered from the pain of losing Samuel elsewhere and would have had the chance to live a happy life. Despite the tragedy, this is a really nice movie to watch!.
@dwiandayani9349
@dwiandayani9349 6 жыл бұрын
love hurts...😥
@Freakforphotos
@Freakforphotos 12 жыл бұрын
I think that, yes, Tristan loved Susannah, but she was his first, passionate love. When you're young, you love so incredibly fast and hard, and it's often a selfish love. Isabel 2 was the woman that he shared mature, but still passionate, love with. The One, you know?
@sabinagomez.9376
@sabinagomez.9376 6 жыл бұрын
SammaLammaDingDong i don't think he ever loved her it was lust he even told her to move on.. Hes true love was Isabel 2 u can see how at peace he was with her..
@katsinatsi2034
@katsinatsi2034 6 жыл бұрын
Sabina Gomez. I agree. Susannah was his Venus and Isabel II was his Juno. . .
@summer-c7i
@summer-c7i 4 жыл бұрын
Susannah was the love of his life. He stood up for Susannah when she remorsefully admitted that she wished Isabel had passed on. She blamed herself for Isabel's death. Instead of being mad or repulsed, he affirms it's not her fault! Over his own wife! Again, Isabel Who? Due to the tragedies, their toxic states, and insecurity, Susannah was unattainable for Tristan. Tristan wrote that letter to her when he was emotionally dead. He helplessly watched his brother be murdered, ffs! He didn't want to string Susannah along or use her. This is why he sent the letter. But I can understand why Susannah could've fell out of love from that note. No one deserves to have their heart be flipped-flopped with. When he was emotionally stable, he wanted to marry her, but rightfully so, she heeded the facts and moved on. I agree here. Only then did he pursue Isabel Two.
@cherylhulting1301
@cherylhulting1301 Жыл бұрын
Nah. That's romanticizing. I'm not totally convinced of the depth of Tristan's love for Susannah. But he displays a lot of fear regarding allowing himself to love her that's connected to his feelings of guilt over Samuel. Isabel 2 was easier that way. She was present at the time that Tristan decided he was ready to settle down. His family and her family all approved of the match (save for Alfred, who clearly considers Tristan's marriage to a much younger woman they grew up with ridiculous). Tristan can be "comfortable" with Isobel without revealing too much of his vulnerability to her. This doesn't necessarily make Isobel the love of his life, though he did love her. It makes her the comfy woman around at the time that he chose to settle down. In fact I'm not sure Tristan ever finds the real love e of his life.
@rosadelpilararcasares711
@rosadelpilararcasares711 4 жыл бұрын
Una buena película qué no me cansaré de ver 💟🌹
@Mish4Mello
@Mish4Mello 11 жыл бұрын
I think I'm the only one thinking/feeling this, but I really didn't like Susannah. I understand that she loved Tristan and wished he loved her back (again), but he had moved on. He even told her to move on. I mean, when she was still engaged to Samuel she loved Tristan. While I understand that you can't help fall in love with someone, especially one that looked like Tristan, but still, I don't think she even felt guilty to tried to hide it when she knew she was going to marry his brother.
@DarlingNikki2
@DarlingNikki2 4 жыл бұрын
Susannah and Tristan were mirror images of Colonel Ludlow and the boys' mother (her name escapes me). They loved the idea of each other, as Tristan astutely told Susannah when she questioned him on what happened between them, while the reality was something else entirely different.
@marisabel5500
@marisabel5500 4 жыл бұрын
I think she just felt inadequate, like she wasn't enough or like she couldn't help him with his trauma of loosing his brother in front of his eyes and always feeling the guilt of not being able to protect him. She tried but he couldn't, he wasn't ready. Its only when he left and came back after dealing with the pain that he was ready for love. His love life didn't save him either way, Isabel just happened to be there and not Susanne. He DID write her a letter telling her to stop loving him, which is an asshole move, but he couldn't cope with love in the torment. And she felt like shit, and like she couldn't help him, even though she wanted to so badly. I think she regrets not waiting more. But he did tell her to stop.
@Mish4Mello
@Mish4Mello 4 жыл бұрын
Marisabel thanks. I think I understand her a bit better now. I don’t think it was an asshole move, per se, to tell her to stop loving him. I think when men aren’t ready to love, they tell the woman to let them go because they feel like they don’t deserve their love. It would be unfair to her if she continues to love hi. When he can’t return that love.
@marisabel5500
@marisabel5500 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mish4Mello yes, any person who isn't ready should definitely be honest about it. But perhaps not choose the words "stop loving me and move on" cuz that's not how feelings work 😅
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 8 жыл бұрын
That Coco Pops guy in the comments is insane. xD
@jennajohnson1237
@jennajohnson1237 8 жыл бұрын
IKR
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 8 жыл бұрын
He needs meds
@kd1306
@kd1306 5 жыл бұрын
Fr that nigga need to go see Dr PHILL
@MsChinggay85
@MsChinggay85 5 жыл бұрын
@Turtle Warrior i completely agree with you. Coco Pops is nuts!! completely delusional. She/he had been commenting in every videos of this movie. Copy pasting his comments over and over again. LoL!!
@SpiritMQ
@SpiritMQ 4 жыл бұрын
@TurtleWarrior A comment that finally made me laugh hard XD ... on an otherwise extremely emotional scene from a beautiful, heartbreaking movie...❤
@xoxosuperkadylove4026
@xoxosuperkadylove4026 3 жыл бұрын
So bittersweet
@fuzzybellasvintage
@fuzzybellasvintage 6 жыл бұрын
it was real, her love was real but his love for a wife and mother of his children was realized through Isabel. Susannah unfortunately would never have been loved by Tristan in which the way he loved Isabel. His priorities and life went the right direction with Isabel, it would never have been fulfilling for him . Although painful
@smusse091
@smusse091 10 жыл бұрын
The only two people in this movie who cried alot was Tristan and Susannah
@Ventimiglianil
@Ventimiglianil 12 жыл бұрын
i also believe in Karma somehow, karma is after Tristan actually, totally heart breaking losing his love ones. every breathe gives him a truly pain.
@ThePhoenixSpaz
@ThePhoenixSpaz 5 жыл бұрын
Forever isn't too long to wait for the one you love. Forever is too long when you've lost them
@Jojoyou628
@Jojoyou628 4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow... Beautiful
@tional5266
@tional5266 8 жыл бұрын
until I watched this scene on youtube I never noticed the huge goof in it! and I've seen it a kabillion times...watch the baby isabel is holding when they walk up to eachother, baby must have acted up so they edited it but poorly
@federicamartino1490
@federicamartino1490 5 жыл бұрын
I could never stood Susannah i am sorry and think Tristano had lust and passione with her but with Isobel is a different story, he truly loves her and built a family with her, he found his peace
@ghostlyme
@ghostlyme 12 жыл бұрын
I completly agree. I can't help, but think of myself when I read what you wrote about her character.
@Yanuaradil
@Yanuaradil 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe top 10 in my list of greatest acting
@gladyskuhn3069
@gladyskuhn3069 4 жыл бұрын
Esta parte me rompio el corazon! Triste 😥
@AVC2323
@AVC2323 4 жыл бұрын
Very good acting in this movie!
@fustinagrey7136
@fustinagrey7136 3 жыл бұрын
Alfred knew there was only 1 man for his wife and sadly it was not him. The children played brilliantly being so young..Samuel was too cute! Poor Susannah knew there was no turning back for Tristan..he found love at last form a loyal beautiful woman, who waited all her life to marry him. Tristan was very special..and Alfred knew this!
@lourdesangelesperalta1591
@lourdesangelesperalta1591 6 жыл бұрын
Esta película es hermosa la mejor que hizo brad pitt en toda su carrera.
@NotSteve88
@NotSteve88 10 ай бұрын
The only thing I don’t get about this scene is how angry Isabel 2 appears to be. She greets Susannah then gives her the death glare for the remainder of the scene.
@sarailahi7945
@sarailahi7945 5 жыл бұрын
This basically shows that you don’t have to be traditionally rich to be happy
@cristiancordova4853
@cristiancordova4853 5 жыл бұрын
Una gran pelicula la mejor que e visto en mi vida 2019
@magdalena.maldonadosalazar8314
@magdalena.maldonadosalazar8314 4 жыл бұрын
Para,mi tambien.
@ericaanne19bebe
@ericaanne19bebe 6 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who always loved Samuel the most? To me he was the best looking one! What a sweetheart :)
@cherylhulting1301
@cherylhulting1301 Жыл бұрын
I'm sad at Samuel's death. It seems so pointless. Susannah was also best suited to him and, had she not met Tristan, she and Samuel would have grown together.
@barbarablue2571
@barbarablue2571 2 жыл бұрын
I don´t have doubts that Tristan loved Isabel and his children, at all. but i think he was a real free spirit, you can not keep by your side a persona like that (woman or man, does not matter) while a long time. Because the world is their real love..
@martymcfly5764
@martymcfly5764 4 ай бұрын
I think you mean "Susannah Meets Samuel". She already knew Isabel from many years before, therefore this isn't when they met. It is however when she meets her nephew Samuel for the first time.
@Headstrong11242
@Headstrong11242 Жыл бұрын
WAITING FOR TRISTAN FINALLY GOT TOO LONG FOR SUZANNA. PLUS SHE WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO B WITH THE MOST MATURE GUY..... EVEN MATURE FOR HIS YEARS ALFRED. HE IS THE ONLY MAN THAT CAN MAKE HER HAPPY.❤
@vanhaknuman2005
@vanhaknuman2005 Жыл бұрын
Beside being ok looking and all Pitt always picks a good roll to be in.
@giancam.5919
@giancam.5919 2 жыл бұрын
Povera Susanna, che strazio. Isabel le ha rubato la vita
@Joyel_Timothy
@Joyel_Timothy 2 жыл бұрын
🖤
@corinthiafierropadilla1378
@corinthiafierropadilla1378 2 жыл бұрын
🙃😋Así es la vida 😘❤️🥰😉🤗🙃❤️❤️❤️
@smusse091
@smusse091 10 жыл бұрын
the grown Isabel 2 is mute throughout the entire movie except for one scene
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 10 жыл бұрын
I watched the movie again after your comment Stephanie, and you are right. I wonder why though but you caught a good thing here. Weird isn't it considering that her part is small but significant
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 9 жыл бұрын
+Diwakar Pant I wouldn't say that. isabel wasn't needed. He did not love his family and only married her to have kids and to spite Susannah. it is Hollywood promoting huge age gaps and ageism again. love blossoms like Susannah and Tristan's love. Not be used as a means of having kids and putting up a facade like Tristan and isabels. people also forget that he was bootlegging and did not care for his family enough. he ditched the kids at the end too. There was not any true love or commitment in there. He came back to marry Susannah. not a child. And isabel herself was arrogant and just loved the idea of marriage. the novella is not better. . I hate Hollywood when they do these sort of things. this should have been like the notebook but all it did was turn people off. It had potential but ruined itself with the marriage.
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 9 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your point Coco. I have my own beef with Hollywood stereotyping women in wrong light all the time. Plus, on the ever evolving standards of political correctness this movie too will fall short at so many levels. However, I did enjoy it for its story and character building. One can relate to these characters and feel good or sorry for them in their micro universe while at the same time be secretly thankful that it doesn’t intersect our own world. In case of Lisbeth though, it is difficult to form an opinion or relate to her at any level since the writer hasn’t spent enough time to build that character, even when s/he (the writer) puts her next to the central character in the story. That was my whole point in my last comment.
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 9 жыл бұрын
Diwakar Pant​ I'm not pc. I have studied psychology history and science. This relationship and those like it were very much wrong. Having been groomed I know that they only go younger for certain reasons and it isn't innocent love. Hollywood promotes so many wrong things and it makes me so mad because THAT is why society is pc. Accepting it as love is pc. Isabel seemed very arrogant. Even when they met at the fair. Her facial expressions said it all and had another decade passed she would have probably woken up. Hollywood loves to promote these types o relationships when in reality they are so wrong and people know it. At 20 years old she wasn't done growing at all and her mind was very different. And although she was native American (I think this is why many support her instead) it would not truly be a love story in reality. They tried to make it look OK by her predicting it and running after him. Their relationship was just sexual and a means to an end. Love blossoms over time but as someone who's groomed, manipulated or indoctrinated by society seems to think their old partner is OK. Those people just want control. He named his son Samuel. Susannah had wanted this for their son if they had one. He did all this to spite her which showed off his bad traits. Both lived a facade of happiness to show each other they were doing OK. Until the end of course. He left his kids which showed how false it was. And people forget he bootlegged. Historically men who did that did not care for their family and were often by themselves with no wife or kids. Hollywood made it look nice by showing how 'the hear was asleep' while forgetting what he was doing was creating a facade. Then out of nowhere you get his wife being killed and all hell breaks loose. I think karma came around. Isabel did know Susannah loved Tristan. And vice versa. Their relationship was about kids and sex. I think they should have left out his marriage. The novel did not even look at anyone other than Tristan Susannah Alfred the father and Samuel. But then again Hollywood loves to condition the masses. I find it worrying and even sad that people dislike Susannah and like isabel when it is obvious who was better and had her life ruined when all she did was look for love. Susannah had it so hard. 
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 9 жыл бұрын
Coco Pops I admire your academic achievements which decidedly outpace and outnumber my humble learnings and its obvious limitations :-). And I agree with you that Hollywood has its own agenda to promote with every story they pick up which has been and should be questioned and exposed wherever possible. Especially in today's impressionist world where life imitates art more often than art imitates life. Having said that, I would still look at it as a beautiful story cut off from my reality but not impossible in any time and space. Isabel was needed in this story even if only for this scene. I don't judge her and I don't judge Tristan or Susanna. I don't like her and I don't dislike her either. However, the reality of the story (if there is such a thing) is that she got all of what Susannah wanted to have. She did not steal it from her, so we can only blame the writer for this interesting turn of events. And this writer is as much entitled to his or her view as you are to yours or I am to mine. Tristan named his son Samuel... now it is a matter of perception whether he did this to spite Susannah, or because he loved his little brother just as much or some other reason. But it did hurt Susannah where it hurts most. In the scene it looks more like he was able to move on from Susannah while she was still holding on to her past with him. To me it appeared as if his face shows empathy more for his brother than Susannah. What he did for a living was his own choice and he faced the consequences of it. People leave their families for so many reasons and not all end up being brigands. Buddha, Gandhi and Germaine Greer come to my mind, but they may be exceptions. About Susannah, you would have noticed in the comments, most people empathize with her tragedy and lament that life was unfair to her. My own personal opinion is that she would have hated Tristan had she married him (and I am willing to be corrected). On the nature of Isabel's relationship with Tristan, I can really not provide any opinion since like I said before, that character wasn't developed enough in the story. My own relationships have been fairly stable and mainstream and I have not had enough knowledge of profound native american culture, so there is nothing I can draw on to either. I would say this though, that your analysis of the story and it's intricate web of relationships is almost academic and impressive. I may not be able to agree with you on some aspects but I admire the thought and energy you have put into this.
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 12 жыл бұрын
Curious but good point Messylin. And strange are the ways of karma. It took Isabel and then came back for Susannah
@goddessravenlovelife7452
@goddessravenlovelife7452 4 жыл бұрын
Susannah’s story is the story of my life always the wrong guy only to see them go off and be happy with someone else and have a family the only difference is I’m lucky I have my daughter just not the right partner but it’s ok I’m squared with that got too many other important projects and people in my life to be sad about it anymore
@goddessravenlovelife7452
@goddessravenlovelife7452 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a very poignant scene and so beautifully written with some unresolved angst and sadness
@chrisnapoli8386
@chrisnapoli8386 4 жыл бұрын
Julie Williams it's heartbreaking, I felt Susanna gave her heart, but Tristan was too wild and still grieving his brother's loss. I do believe he loved Susanna but the timing wasn't right and later when the timing was right he went after Isabel 2. Sometimes it's about timing in life. Sorry to hear you suffered this, maybe that man did love you, but hadn't grown enough to do right by you. Glad to hear that you have a daughter, Maybe children are the real true loves.
@rogeriohonorato7155
@rogeriohonorato7155 8 жыл бұрын
e um dos filmes mais bonito q já vi
@marybarocio9788
@marybarocio9788 Жыл бұрын
me pueden desir el nombre de la canción de este video porfavor
@magali2634
@magali2634 4 жыл бұрын
Preciosaaaa
@kate1269
@kate1269 7 ай бұрын
Susannah did not, i repeat, DID NOT see this coming. . . 😂 Acting like she's crying over the loss of the brother, Samuel. . . Riiiight. . .
@carlhatt9302
@carlhatt9302 3 жыл бұрын
0:42 if looks could kill.
@ViniciusSantos-fy9yv
@ViniciusSantos-fy9yv 2 жыл бұрын
Encontros inesperados costumam destruir as pessoas.
@sheehan1156
@sheehan1156 3 жыл бұрын
Isabelle 2 "You're going to marry Samuel" Suzannah "yes I am" Isabelle 2 " I'm going to marry Tristan" Suzannah "well I guess then we'll be sisters".........😔
@queensugar4953
@queensugar4953 4 жыл бұрын
How many of you feel like Jennifer Aniston is susanne and Angelina is Isabel rubbing her kids and her marriage in Susannah's face, lol jk.
@raephaelemasirnille5794
@raephaelemasirnille5794 4 жыл бұрын
This title is misleading. Susannah knew Isabel 2 very well. They lived on the ranch together for a long time. She did not "meet" Isabel.This is my favorite scene in the movie (in spite of Isabel's baby being asleep then woke then asleep again). Alfred and Tristan being reunited after so many years was very touching. I did not feel bad for Susannah, she went though all 3 brothers, who does that? I think the timing was all wrong for her and Tristan. He was not ready to settle down And I wonder if he might have had some reservations because of Samuel. I love movies that don't have a typical Hollywood happy ending and this is one of the best. I don't know why this movie is do underrated especially the time when it came out Brad Pitt was very popular and at his best. Excellent movie!!!
@cityxlovee
@cityxlovee 4 жыл бұрын
isabel kinda looks like zendaya
@trollmagnet8265
@trollmagnet8265 9 ай бұрын
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@zsuzsuspetals
@zsuzsuspetals 4 жыл бұрын
If we have a son we'll name him Samuel and if it's girl, Isabelle. Tristan has a boy named Samuel and a girl named Isabelle. :(
@hermimiadelgado2111
@hermimiadelgado2111 7 жыл бұрын
muy buena película
@publicidadout
@publicidadout 7 жыл бұрын
Susana conocía a Isabel desde que era una niña , no viste la película
@Rem0te27
@Rem0te27 11 жыл бұрын
What is background soundtrack name?
@christianmendozatapia295
@christianmendozatapia295 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, tristan smashed both of them.
@AB-dq5kj
@AB-dq5kj 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Isabella-nh5dm
@Isabella-nh5dm 4 жыл бұрын
I dont think he did. Tristan was very predictable character-wise, isabelle 2 accepted that and loved him for it. I sincerely do not think that Tristan was ever in love with Suzanne. He went to war for the single purpose of keeping Samuel safe so he would be able to return home alive and safe, able to live his life with the person he loved. Suzanne had a brief interlude in her.life and muddled that in her.mind to become shades of a 'crazy ex one night stand' into long term stalker. If anyone truly lost through this it was Alfred. Many people could and have made wonderful fulfilling marriages in the circumstances and Suzanne obviously never even bothered to try. Poor Alfred. He was the lifetime loyal love. He hoped for Suzanna to come to love him
@SeasonsChange14
@SeasonsChange14 4 жыл бұрын
Alfred is honorable and hardworking. He loves Susannah and marries her, no doubt hoping that she will grow to love him instead of Tristan. She doesn’t. Alfred loses his little brother, Samuel, and then loses Susannah. He has no children. He is estranged from his disabled father. Despite all this, he saves Tristan from a brutal death. I hope Alfred later found happiness with a woman who valued his constancy and his courage.
@tracys169
@tracys169 4 жыл бұрын
Alfred is great in his own right. He truly loved Susannah and gave her the best life he could know how. It was not Alfred's fault that she couldn't love him. I think Susannah was wired differently. She wanted a different life, the life she experienced with Tristan, when she was free to do what she wanted and she felt 'freest' with Tristan. She's a product of her time, but she wanted a different life. Being married to Alfred felt stifling and like she was in a beautiful gilded cage because she didn't feel 'free.' She saw Tristan as her 'savior' who showed her that 'life.' Therefore she tried to go back to Tristan once Isabela was gone. But since he said 'no,' Susannah didn't see any other options for her, and for her, pretending to love her life is futile, she was 'stuck' so she committed suicide. It really had nothing to do with Alfred.
@katierojas8066
@katierojas8066 3 жыл бұрын
It is just a movie. Alfred wasn’t wild enough for Susanna. She wanted the hot bad boy. Like damn.
@hanjieli1903
@hanjieli1903 3 жыл бұрын
@@katierojas8066 lol exactly. There’s not too much to analyze, it’s Brad fucking Pitt
@inabind416
@inabind416 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely would’ve chosen Alfred. Screw Tristan
@GCNavigator
@GCNavigator 3 жыл бұрын
Synthesis Spencer She did. That’s the problem.
@lourdesangelesperalta1591
@lourdesangelesperalta1591 6 жыл бұрын
Esta película es hermosa la mejor que hizo brad pitt en toda su carrera.
@Highandmightyx
@Highandmightyx 2 жыл бұрын
🖤
@cajunreptiles
@cajunreptiles 9 жыл бұрын
the pain is real when u see the man u love with the family u always wanted....
@rotyler2177
@rotyler2177 8 жыл бұрын
+Corinna Ayala And the son (her nephew) is named Samuel. Great movie. Easily one of my favourites.
@pantdiwakar
@pantdiwakar 8 жыл бұрын
+Corinna Ayala You said it so well... so heart shattering well
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 8 жыл бұрын
ignore it. In reality people sympathize with susannah like characters e.g princess diana because they are truly wronged and karma certainly exists! I would just brush it off and wait for the inevitable to happen and move onto a more decent man who doesn't trade women in!
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 8 жыл бұрын
+Coco Pops Tristan didn't trade in women. He was a broken man when he left and felt she deserved better so he told her to move on. She did. When Tristan came home, Isabel was waiting for him.
@cocodakilla
@cocodakilla 8 жыл бұрын
Don't excuse sociopathic behaviour please. If it happens in reality, we see it for what ut is. He spite her out of revenge. They both give her dirty looks here. Quite sad. Overrated film. Isabel the child with psychological daddy issues was waiting. A decent man knows the limit. If he was fixed he would be a free spirit and fight for real love. Not sit down and be boring. Free spirits grow old with someone. Don't hurt people intentionally. Not arguing anymore because I write in detail elsewhere. Later! p.s watch last of the mohicans, braveheart, notebook and titanic to see what real love and free spirit behaviour is like
@sarafalkner
@sarafalkner 4 жыл бұрын
Alfred was the true mvp of the story. The older I get, the more sympathetic I feel towards him. He had the right intentions, honorable, well spoken, respectful of women (especially considering the time period) and in the end he choose family above all else. Nowadays my heart goes out to him when I watch this epic.
@steveguse4481
@steveguse4481 2 жыл бұрын
You mean the time period where men stayed on the Titanic as you floated away? Women have always had it better.
@t-jh4236
@t-jh4236 2 жыл бұрын
Alfred lost his way. He got into politics and sided with those brothers. I hardly think that makes him the mvp. His blaming of Samuel's death onto Tristan did not help him in the grieving process not to mention his assumption that Tristan and Susannah had an affair before leaving for the war. Remember he even questioned if secretly Tristan wanted Samuel dead to be with Susannah. Sure he had admirable qualities and all the characters were flawed as our real people. I say to you... Samuel was the hero or mvp of the story. His memory drives the movie. Everyone is secretly holding his memory as the standard. Samuel going to war created the entire story to which we have this movie. He decides to stay at home with his new wife to be and northing happens. His death drove the family apart till the end. Samuel is the mvp.
@steveguse4481
@steveguse4481 2 жыл бұрын
@@t-jh4236 The Dad is MVP hands down. Those punk kids should've listened to their Pops he was right about everything
@allengreene9954
@allengreene9954 2 жыл бұрын
@@steveguse4481 Yep. Going off to a War that they had no stake in🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
@ConsultoriodelDrPrion
@ConsultoriodelDrPrion 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, he was a simp, nothing honorable about that.
@lordlessons8532
@lordlessons8532 4 жыл бұрын
Everybody talks about the romance in this movie, love triangle between Susannah and the brothers, what really gets to me is the affection between the brothers. I could tell Tristan missed Alfred and vice versa, that's what stays with me,the bond between brothers.
@summer-c7i
@summer-c7i 4 жыл бұрын
Yups, their brotherhood was enduring. Tested through all the adversity. Alfred chose politics over his family. But when Alfred protected his family over the dirty businessmen in such a dire time, they forgave him, because Alfred showed who he was ultimately loyal. And Tristan/Alfred were able to mend their r/s, because Tristan knew that Alfred was responsible and stable enough to take on rearing Tristan's kids.
@missyaz4959
@missyaz4959 3 жыл бұрын
Yessss! I loved Alfred in this scene, he was happy to see Tristan again, I think this was the point where they made peace with one another again.
@flavarz
@flavarz 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!! The true love & bond between brothers gets me every time too. Both actors convey so much with their eyes... nuanced and poignant... so deeply moving. Good cast choicse for sure.
@xoxosuperkadylove4026
@xoxosuperkadylove4026 3 жыл бұрын
Isabelle 2 has loved Tristan since she was a little girl. Love to see that storyline of her growing up. What a beauty she is.
@lilahesse1774
@lilahesse1774 Жыл бұрын
the way she turns back to look one last time, almost involuntarily, like a spasm of physical pain... My God, what incredible acting. A rare performance.
@MoMoMyPup10
@MoMoMyPup10 8 жыл бұрын
Damn, Susannah wanted to name their son Samuel. That must've killed her.
@rotyler2177
@rotyler2177 8 жыл бұрын
It's probably what led her to do what she did at end of movie. She probably looked at Tristan's kids that day and said to herself 'those are my kids. Tristan is (not was) mine.' It's understandable from her point of her view to go home sit down in front of the bedroom mirror and have these thoughts. She needed help tho the moment Samuel died. Tristan sought out help for his grieving... Susannah never did.
@DeepScreenAnalysis
@DeepScreenAnalysis 5 жыл бұрын
That's why she wanted Isabel Two to die.
@Cerdo_asqueroso
@Cerdo_asqueroso 5 жыл бұрын
She deserved it
@florhernadez3823
@florhernadez3823 5 жыл бұрын
Hola Lety me dices si está más cerca y quedó atento saludos y graciasp a las oí otra cosa es lo q pex claro q información y Juan José Javier de su sistema sin conservar y no se lo dije o menos con la finalidad del sábado tipo y colaboración y pronta colaboración prestada ya no me había conectado con ella ir al seguro social y cultural en espera José Luis y soledad y colaboración y atención de lunes voy para el sábado por su colaboración para el desarrollo del sábado tipo y tamaño y colaboración con la casa del libro a ok igualmente y gracias de todos y todas esas y q pasó el número para poder hacer nada aún a pesar que se lo o menos con la finalidad del tratamiento es lo q pex no se ha pasado a ok para que puedas ver y q onda con eso de que se moje yo me encargo y q pasó a la espera José Juan y me lo puedes hacer algo con respecto a la casa de la noche del sábado y domingo de la noche del viernes para q onda y te lo envío en el sábado a ok igualmente le recordamos a nuestros socios a ir pero si Juan José Javier te mando un beso a ok pues la noche y q onda con lo cual es q no tengo nada de eso pero si me lo dijeron y q pasó con la intención y deseo okooo a ir juntos José Juan te mando el archivo con los que se ha pasado con la casa y no se ha producido un poco de flor del desierto y no te olvides que no tengo el agrado y q onda con el pero si no te olvides del presupuesto que nos vemos en espera se lo dijeron y ya me dirás algo un abrazo Isabel no te lo envío los archivos que se moje y no te preocupes yo entiendo lo del fondo del seguro social no se puede y no te olvides que te lo mando a ok para q vaya x el y yo he hablado hace a ok igualmente si puedes me lo dices algo gracias y un fuerte para los dos días en espera José Luis te mando la factura del seguro de la casa del señor Omar a ir pero no sé cómo están y si es necesario para la noche y no se lo dijeron si no te lo envío a la espera del pago del seguro de la empresa para poder ver la casa y me gustaría y quedó atento de su sistema el sábado y pásame tu cel pero te pido me dices y lo más importante que si se puede ver en iTunes ya se encuentra tu tienda y q pex claro si es que se lo o una persona muy responsable de su pie xq me da igual lo podemos dejar a ok para q vaya bien con ella ir al pendiente saludos y graciasp obra y no me pagaron hasta q volví al pendiente para que lo que si no se ha enviado yyp y quedó atenta de su pie xq se lo dije mi chava te envío los archivos que te digo iiiooklkkñmññppñllññ a las ocho a ok igualmente y gracias a todos por la invitación a ok para que ya no es lo mismo no tengo nada que hacer algo para q onda con eso ya es hora que se ha producido un juego genial yo te hablo para saber cómo va ha estar a tu iiiooklkkñmññppñllññ y quedó atento saludos a tu mamá cuando me dices si estás en turno mañana en compañía del grupo hay comentarios para q vaya bien y no te lo dije mi doña María a continuación a ok pues no me había olvidado y q pasó el link para descargar gratis y colaboración y quedó atento de su sistema sin conservar y quedó atento saludos cordiales ING a ir juntos José Luis he bajado de internet de las ocho a ir pero si Juan José y hay un jugador que se lo dije o menos creo en ti y q onda y predisposición para aprender de su sistema y
@rafaeld.2554
@rafaeld.2554 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed...
@margchris3303
@margchris3303 4 жыл бұрын
That’s why you should never get romantically involved with brothers !
@katierojas8066
@katierojas8066 3 жыл бұрын
She went through all three too. Damn
@laurencameron3150
@laurencameron3150 3 жыл бұрын
Its crazy that in the comments ppl felt sorry for her. Shes out here fucking all the brothers and is in love with the one brother that really didnt give a damn about her! LOL!
@shenmue5507
@shenmue5507 3 жыл бұрын
@@katierojas8066 Yeah she definitely wasn't the type of woman you settle down with.
@Billy-eo8vk
@Billy-eo8vk 3 жыл бұрын
@Star 98 How do you know she never slept with him? Were you there in the quiet times ? 🤔
@TSK24692
@TSK24692 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, she didn't learn her lesson and got involved with the brothers in Sabrina and also with the King and his knight Sir Lancelot in First Knight.
@TonyPerez816
@TonyPerez816 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to see the commentary here. So many praising Alfred as the honorable, "Good" one, while Tristan is the "bad" or somehow "Evil" one. To believe this however is to miss some of the vital points of the story. One of my favorite aspects of the film is the highlighting of different cultures coming together. Ludlow, a wealthy, white, Englishman. Much the way his sons would later do, left his home looking for adventure, glory, and adulation. But in the process, discovers a different kind of life partner in One-Stab. This is (thankfully) not sexualized in any way, but the two had a deep meaningful, life long connection to each other that goes beyond ordinary friendship. This relationship informs all of the Colonel's actions and decisions for his life, including how his sons, Tristan in particular are raised. In the scene where the boys decide they are going to war, Ludlow says "I taught you to think for yourselves, thats what I taught you!". Clearly, this included which lifestyles they would embrace. Tristan embraced One-Stab's culture while Samuel and Alfred emulated their mother. Prim and proper, always dressy, and more concerned with they former homeland which they have never even set foot on. This context is so important to understand before putting them into "Good" or "Bad" boxes. Native cultures are varied, but often do not resemble western, "Christianized" values. While they do have their own codes of morality, standards, manners, etc, they are not aligned with ours. For example, "Traditional Christian marriage" is scene as "good" or "decent", right? But only if you are raised in that tradition. Alfred clearly doesn't understand this either as he later laments "I followed all of God's rules". As Christians do, he believes this should afford him favored position with Susanna (much like they believe it will in death). Also like most Christians, he is looking for rewards for his behavior. These are man-made constructs however that don't exist in One-Stab's culture. Tristan, like Stab goes a different path through life. To a "decent Christian", his behavior borders on "Barbarism". Wild, free, constantly coming and going, all while participating in rituals and other things that are not accepted as good Christian behavior. To the tamed Christian, he is doing Susanna wrong. (Interestingly, nobody sees Susanna's jumping from Ludlow to Ludlow as "wrong". She comes from English high society and clearly has the option to return as Mrs. Ludlow does, but that's for another way-too-long comment) In my view, neither Alfred, nor Tristan are inherently right or wrong. Alfred lives his life chasing glory, adulation, power, and wealth that comes with his lofty position in government. Tristan seeks a connection with nature, the world around him, and unfettered freedom to come and go as he chooses. But Alfred also wants family, the love, respect and cooperation of an obedient wife, and the "perfect" family life. Tristan similarly wants the safety, warmth, and care of a wife and family (at first with Susanna, then later with Isabel-Two). But both men discover that their personal desires are not compatible with their familial pursuits. Alfred's pursuit of Susanna, even during Samuel's life was not a noble one. Nor was his neglect of her while he rose to political power, or his initial abandonment of his father upon their disagreement. Tristan's proclivity toward criminal life was similarly counter to his eventual desire to settle and have a family as he constantly put their safety at risk, eventually resulting in the death of his wife and endangerment of the rest of the family. All in all, both men are simply human. Both complex, both with light and dark in them, but manifested very differently. In the end, the lives lived brought them back around to each other because family is of course the strongest gravitational field there is. If you made it to the end of this way-too-long post, I thank you! And yes, i do have too much time on my hands.
@unknownstranger6875
@unknownstranger6875 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Mr. Ludlow Irish?
@lexxxelskywalker6411
@lexxxelskywalker6411 Жыл бұрын
And thank you for taking some of that time to write the best review of this art piece I have ever read. Thoroughly insightful and balanced. Plus lovely to read.
@monmothma3358
@monmothma3358 Жыл бұрын
Very well said!
@mobius4897
@mobius4897 Жыл бұрын
Idk if Alfred was really neglectful. We don't see their dating or beginning of marriage. I always imagined that she was the one who grew distant because of her depression and he tried to give her a good life best he knew how. It was probably unspoken between them that she was always in love with his brother(s) and had settled for him. Prob made him insecure. Feeling hurt is something we avoid, so even if he was neglectful I kinda don't blame him. He should have chosen another woman tho just cuz she was 2 for 3 already and that's just kinda gross 😁
@cherylhulting1301
@cherylhulting1301 Жыл бұрын
Your analysis raises valid points. But it's not quite on point about Susannah. In addition to her willingness to wait for Tristan, Susannah doesn't really have much of a place to go after Samuel's death. Her parents are both dead and we never hear about her having other relatives who can take her in. Women in her class weren't taught any practical skills for work and women hadn't even been allowed to attend college for very many years at that point. Alfred offered her a harbor and broken-hearted and broken Susannah took it. It's incredibly sad.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet 6 жыл бұрын
This movie tears my soul up. Julie Ormond has such a beautiful voice and is so lovely. Just adds to her character's sullenness.
@catspaw3092
@catspaw3092 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, when Julia stepped off that train I was like "Wow, what a beauty!" She was on Witches of East End & she's still a beauty.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Жыл бұрын
​@@catspaw3092I loved that show! Her and Madchkin are gorgeous.
@spedupaudios3048
@spedupaudios3048 7 жыл бұрын
Wow. You can just feel her pain and her heart shattering into a million pieces seeing Tristan with his family I feel her pain here great acting .
@queensugar4953
@queensugar4953 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, this scene is always tough to watch.
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