4A-GE vs B16 Battle! Touge and acceleration tests

UPDATE ON B16: A compression check was done and it was a solid 200psi on each cylinder. The smoke appears to be from leaky valve seals.
**NOTE: Battle starts at 1:36**
Battle of the two best 1.6 engines that rev past 8k rpms. Both cars were lightly tuned and well matched. The classic match up of 4a-ge vs b16!
All Music Used Under Creative Commons License:
The Insider - Time to Move and Motivate
Lee Rosevere - Neon Skies
D SMILEZ - The Final Battle Tron Style
Remain Acid Alert Remixes Remain - Acid
Harmonic Defiance - Everything Is Love

[@ricepony33]

Yes! Great job, great video. Love the best motoring style.

[@KamiKitsuneVA]

I know Toyota and Honda are rivals, but I love both of them. I am a proud owner of a 1990 AE92 Trueno, but I love the EG6 just as much. I don't really take sides on car brands, I just take the side of MY car. I love Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, and Honda all equally :)

[@rogerromero9305]

Prussian_Kamikaze where are you livin? Im searching for a ae92 trueno/levin for sale in europe but i just cant find this

[@KamiKitsuneVA]

I live on the East Coast of the US, between Philadelphia and New York City. I bought my car in Newark.

[@marcobrancorsini2479]

Me too

[@jokernepalm]

No, Toyota and Honda are not rivals. Honda is way superior.

[@wabbit234]

First car was a Civic, Second was an AE111 and now I have a Mazda 3. Also a big fan of Japanes cars.

[@NormalMonkey]

That B16 need a ring seal/compression repair lol.

[@saifuddinudin1748]

white smoke at b16

[@Sheehy223]

It's a Honda. They burn oil bud.

[@TheCornishGingerOfficial]

Sheehy no they don't bud

[@erendesilva5377]

@@Sheehy223 definitely not the case

[@emilianito222]

i might sound like a rookie but... although the civic guy was short shifting, there were drops of rpm´s and it didn´t seemed healthy

[@SimonTrent8000]

good to see the 4a come on top. but your friends b16 needs a rebuild, looking a bit tired.

[@sushpants]

The b16 was running too thin of an oil and it was a hot day which is why it was smokey, but it pulled hard all day and didn't miss a beat. My buddy is about to put a turbo on it and then we can redo the video. Thanks for the comment.

[@SimonTrent8000]

sushpants thanks for the reply. check out my mr2 on ny channel btw. running a silvertop. soon to get a rebuild this summer with a blacktop head. currentlyrunning a bt ecu.

[@jordanprice9285]

sushpants did you turbo yours as well for a rematch maybe sometime in the future? Or you just stayin NA?

[@sushpants]

I'm staying NA. The original intention with my Corolla was to keep it light, simple and responsive. The 4age with itbs has turned out to be one of the most responsive engines I have ever driven and I want to keep it that way. That doesn't mean I'm not going to mod the engine. The 4age still has a lot potential while still being NA.

[@jordanprice9285]

sushpants oh ok gotcha! Idk why but I am just a turbo junkie so if I did have one of these, I'd most likely Turbo it, but not for drag racing tho cuz that stuffs hecka played out and honestly it's boring.. I'd probably get around a good 285hp to 330hp with a small enough turbo to be able to have low end spool but while being able to let loose in the straights if I needed it.. and honestly, there aren't many turbo 4AGE cars out there if I'm correct, so that would also be a bonus since everyone keeps them NA.. But nonetheless, I like the ideas and stuff you got going and I admire you like NA cars cuz there's not as many now either! Welp, eirther way you have a cool car and I look forward to watching more of your vids! Keep up the good work my friend!

[@damonmczell9013]

I havent subscribed to anyone in over 2 years. I subbed on the editing of the video alone. Love the old 4a engines. Great Video

[@sushpants]

Thank you much! Hope you like the stuff I got coming out this year.

[@izaaka70]

someone has watched best motoring.... bloody great video

[@Tayeedz1]

Please keep on making vids sir. PLEASE. They're too good these! I'm not talking about daily vids but masterpieces with time and love poured into them.

[@johnnykeller7648]

Very Hot Version-esq editing (I like it) Having never seen these two engines or platforms go head-to-head in real life before; my expectation was that the Honda with the B16 was gonna beat the pants of the 4A-GE equipped AE82. I'm sure not just power figures played a factor here (it wasn't disclosed), I'm sure curbweight played a factor (my money would be on the AE82 being a couple hundred lbs lighter than the EG6 Civic). Engine characteristics apparently played a large part...though I'm sure the AE82 was down probably twenty-five to thirty horse when compared to a cammed B16, the AE82's lighter weight paired with the more free-revving characteristics of the 4A-GE when compared to the B16 in the EG6 gave the Corolla a clear edge. It lent the car to better acceleration and a quicker recovery after braking zones. This was highly entertaining. Thanks for the content bro

[@monjier]

I personally think that the engines itself aren't what's determining the outcome of this race. They should be closely matched; these races indicate a decisive victory for the Corolla. I believe there might be a big difference in gearing. If you look at the eg6 it was coming out of VTEC or just in VTEC but clearly out of the power band when shifting, indicating that it had longer gear ratios. The corolla on the other hand was at least 500rpm higher during its shifting so that means it would have had crossed gear ratios, effectively staying within its powerband during the upshift. This has a lot to do with the car's performance especially on an uphill climb or acceleration on a straight.

[@5PYZ3R]

agreed

[@majorkin19]

Or just a shitty driver that shifts like his arms and legs responds several hours after the brain sent the signals

[@bryan10444]

If the civic guy used an EM1 drivetrain than his 5 speed is geared pretty good they’re known for short gears and the blacktop has a close ratio 6 speed (I own one) but the gears aren’t ridiculous just the powerband is wayyyy wider than the b16 vtec spot (I’ve driven and raced both) I still love vtec

[@J3Fox00]

Weight is also a big factor, I think. Pretty sure the EG is heavier than the AE82, put the B16 in say a CRX or EF hatch and the races would’ve been much closer. Both cars are great though.

[@stanislavpretetsky9534]

That's some impressive video work!

[@sushpants]

Stan Pretetsky thank you Stan!

[@amd.0001]

Yeah, totally. Wish I could see it in 60 fps though.

[@kzoomin]

the music goes really well with this video. But big kudos for not having the music during the race! Another type of music to my ears.

[@andrewyarusinsky6998]

Love the way you made this video. Enjoyed it very much!

[@SuperWesty177]

Such a awesome video editing was insanely good. Will say that eg's b16 looked a bit tired pissing out oil at WOT.

[@Jennedy463]

holy shit, nice chassis pick for the 20v, very nice setup to go against the b16. keep it up!

[@madmechanic7641]

They are both winners.. Brings me back to old skool those sounds

[@xenodrift3208]

this channel a gem

[@ae70gts]

i own a fully modded ke70 4age 160hp fully modded suzuki gsxr k4 honda cbf 125 stock and a stock rx7 fb jap to the bone!!! both make amazing sound both are very beautiful with this nicely shot video you bring back the good old days!! dont let goof these cars !! keep it up!!

[@aim3117]

Great sound from both cars.

[@spacekii]

This is pretty well made for a channel I've never heard of

[@pattyjay9999]

You lucky bastard that FX-16 GTS was THE ride I wanted back in the early 90s but I could not afford it, and now you find them LUCKY YOU, nice ride guy.

[@Syncopia]

Two 4cyl screamers battling it out? Yes please.

[@levinlover7666]

Great video! Loving that Initial D style battle!

[@corolla-chan9055]

More like Hot Version to me, but either way, I love it!

[@tinmar501]

Verry cool vid man! and the road,omg she's beautiful ! and the car too of course :D

[@jackbrown3270]

THIS WAS FUCKING AWESOME TO WATCH IN 2021

[@sushpants]

Thank you Jack, I still get a lot of enjoyment rewatching it myself!

[@BMSworldNZ]

Your cat at the start: holy hell you're close with your cat and your cat just loves you - seeing it push up into your hand and then lick your hand is a sign of true trust & love in a cat. You are pretty lucky on that front :)

[@sushpants]

BMSworld.nz - BMS Database I adopted her from a shelter 10 years ago. She gets lots of affection and she always has to be around me. I love my little kitty. BTW her name is Kitti :D

[@BMSworldNZ]

Nawww! Treasure this relationship - they are actually hard to come by! (Cats normally have servants, with you, not this time!)

[@salvationracer]

Awesome video, keep up the great work! I would definitely take on the AE82 in my NCP91, except that I’m stock so that 4AG would eat my lunch all day. Maybe someday..... Until then, brilliant video. Really dig both those cars.

[@J3Fox00]

Both cars sound amazing!! Although personally, I'd rather have a B16 just because it sounds a bit cleaner and refined as opposed to the aggressive, throaty roar of the 4AGE

[@mzondi1970]

I bought a GTS brand new and now I have an EM1 both Motors are great. The Toyota was fantastic back in the day ahead of its time. This car used to scare the death of out of the same era Mustangs and Camaros and would definitely out handle them great side by side

[@ToreDL87]

I`ve been a bit of a Honda fan as far as 1.6L`s go (despite appearances), so this is a tough nail to swallow.. Spoon (known as one of the top Honda tuners in Japan) said in one of the Hot Version magazine videos that just frantically swapping out exhaust manifold and intake parts will cost you quite a bit of power. Seeing this video, I`m inclined to believe it.. Then again when the AE101 Corolla came out in 1991, Hot Version magazine tested out a stock example versus a stock Civic Type-R, and the AE101 won (I thought it would lose) and again with the AE111 Corolla (it won yet again). I was under the impression the 4AGE lost out to the B16 and that Toyota kept producing them until 1998 but pushing out 4AGE equipped cars until about 2000, just out of pure spite. I always thought I mashed the second best 1.6L into my AE86.. I was wrong, and have a lot to learn. Subscribed!

[@MakoTism]

The two iconic 4 Bangers shit that's beautiful

[@blackmount1]

Your videos are hilariously awesome. I feel so robbed by KZbin recommendations for not showing me more stuff like this, as oppose to all the Genaric clickbait crappy car content despite my best efforts to try to make sure it doesn't show me that crap.

[@sushpants]

My videos come from the heart :D I love this stuff!

[@3UZFE]

Such Japanese vibes on the video editing. Love it.

[@BlueHokage]

SKAGGs! My favorite piece of road in the 707

[@smockey1745]

So Brian's EVO 7 in 2fast 2furious used B16 engine sound ?? (and Roman's Eclipse used Impreza engine sound ?

[@JaycubL]

Awesome video I loved it!

[@stephenmikell2057]

Awesome video! Keep it up man.

[@Legend-oka]

Me: Watching this video My classmate friends: K O O L V I B R A T I O N! ! !

[@Skidracer21]

Loving the Hot Version styling.

[@nicolomarinas7176]

i see california plates.Where is this?

[@cbh148]

That B16 was not equipped with a B16 transmission. Sounds like it had an LS transmission with the slower-acceleration gear ratios. With a B16 trans, when shifted near redline, it won't fall out of VTEC in the next gear. The gearing is crucial to making a B16 as zippy as they're known to be.

[@beast0339]

the B16 shouts. But the 4AGE is like a visceral scream

[@RCrider185]

On the 4a 20v is the 5th valve an intake valve or is it just an extra valve to aid in scavenging on valve over lap?

[@sushpants]

3 in, 2 out

[@briantownsend1883]

That was a transmission gearing battle. You can see and hear the close ratio in the Toyota

[@TheJoteeter]

I want to know where you got those super sweet jdm pointer fingers

[@abddelmohabir924]

You need to do a comparison between the B16B Type R motor against the 4A-GE 20V Blacktop motor...the 20V blacktop is the top of the line 4A-GE motor so it needs to be ran against top of the line B16B Type R....I’m a fan of both motors and I wanna see a fair comparison!

[@atmosphericpressure3560]

S2K dash? Sick

[@shelvinchand9551]

Surprised to see the Corolla do so well, especially the handling but also feel sorry for the Civic, definitely needs attention. Have owned both cars and gotta say, as well as being economic, they offer an excellent driving experience 😁

[@Raketenwerfer666]

4A-GE Sounds fantastic 👌

[@ChrisHondaProductions]

What a great vid both my favs I’m a sneak Toyota fan even though I’m A Honda guy just love Japanese cars

[@КлиментЦонков]

1:55 the guy in the civic is dressed like he had to do it to 'em.

[@pretol1]

wha? do what to whom?

[@dennisleh663]

Yo know he had to do it to 'em

[@shufflers]

This is like those japanese touge tv shows damn good production

[@tyrensride5768]

The guy in the eg6 drives like my grandmom

[@sushpants]

she granny shifts to save those synchros :)

[@cr2nr]

Loved the video. Great sounds. That 4age not stock at all... But my Integra would smoke both.... Still very good video enjoyed all.

[@bryan10444]

It’s stock bro even down to the header lol all it has is velocity stacks and I’ve beaten V6 Accords in mine the blacktop is the bizznis

[@turbocavalli]

[c o o l v i b r a t i o n s]

[@LoneWolf-wl3he]

You can all see that the toyota was just playing with the honda! I have a 4AGE black top so I know the feeling.

[@johnhoylessceptreofself-so6214]

Are people interested in more of in-car public road driving videos? I've been thinking of doing some, I don't know how to get clear sound with a GoPro though.

[@TheCornishGingerOfficial]

The Honda guys engine wasn't happy. And he had so many gauges in his car I thought I was in a nuclear reactor control room 😂

[@estohtejada3302]

Bru wtf nice video editing, i like it giving it sum old skool Best Motoring style 👌 I’d like yo be in touge battles I got Civic Si 2007 FA5

[@Flaco7136]

The toyo sound so nice...wow

[@lexusvip4003]

I have a 84 camry with a 4age in it. My buddy and I are gonna get it running and put antique tags on it. It's a boss 💪 i know I have my ls400 with a toyota v8 in it for the speed, but this little 4 cylinder is just so much fun!! Lightweight and peppy 😁

[@sushpants]

the 4a-ge is such a awesome motor to rev up. Was the 4age swapped into the camry?

[@lexusvip4003]

sushpants I believe it was! When I looked at the engine block I couldn't believe it! My grandfather owns a dealership and was about to junk it. I saved it and have high hopes for it! 😁 I'm excited to get it on the road again!

[@RJ6AV6]

this is awesome! please make more vids, reminds me of BMI

[@vichetkim6302]

Nice Bonus stage. I hope you can keep up with the EK9 Type R in future races.

[@oisinoneill366]

Not comparable the b18 (1.8) would be match with a vvtli (1.8) 20v blacktop is only 1.6 hahaha

[@zkdesagun6612]

Cars are great in the end driving skills matters most

[@subarolla]

That was some pretty tame driving.

[@killersuprise9305]

I was hoping it’ll be a gum tape deathmatch

[@wtfjayden6180]

does anyone know why cross plane crankshaft inline 4s are so rarely used my manufacturers?

[@Mikelyno86]

Very nice video, very cool cars ... in my opinion equal despite the fact that Toyota won, because ... I saw that Honda spited blue smoke out the exhaust, when in high revs. I think that is because the piston's fire rings are worn and don't seal very well, thus oil from the lower part of the engine gets in the combustion chamber and out through the exhaust, compression is lost that way, and engine compression is low because of that. Less oil in the engine means lower oil pressure ... low oil pressure means v-tec won't work, so no torque at high revs. If anyone thinks I'm wrong, please comment ... I'm open to new opinions.

[@bryanlontoc]

Initial D -Downhill -Dry -Day

[@MrSpeedholic]

That corolla sounds BRUTAL :P

[@boostlee876]

That B16 looks like it’s on it last leg. That thing is smoking crazy. I think a healthier b16 and a driver that does short shift would do better. Not to take away from the Corolla because it ran better than I thought but that b16 looks weak and beat out.

[@tomasribeiro8127]

Do more of this stuff man!

[@10tive]

And this is just the ae82 and not the ae86. Wow!

[@nicholaspatino2427]

Im an 86 owner but think Honda did a better job at developing a better b series than Toyota’s 4age series because the best 4age makes about 160 horsepower and the best b serious makes about 195 horsepower

[@melonkat4703]

Shingo Vs Takumi: The Sequel

[@repnatl]

1:30 HEADER NOT HEADERS too many Honda folks get those confused. Cant put more than one header on an inline 4 engine. other than that these are some sweet ass cars.

[@cocoloco1994]

I like how it ressembles hot version,

[@Fosten12]

HOT VERSION STYLE i love it

[@rabbon-ithegenesis7169]

The VTEC on both cars almost sounds the same. Even the MIVEC on the Mitsubishi 1.8L Mirage has close to the same sound

[@TheVintagetamiya]

In true b16 fashion the rings are starting to go look at the smoke coming from the civic.

[@jerairkilla]

Isn't this corolla a fwd?

[@Unk87327]

One Day I'll Get An AE86 GT-S. And I'll Put An Silvertop 20v 4A-GE Engine On It!

[@TheAstroKidx]

4AGE is so underrated it's saf

Shingo pissed me off! 😡

[@pantus1000]

Shingo is here, warning

[@micaiahflores1592]

gotta get the cat loves for luck~

[@jenst1688]

Nothing like a high revving screaming engine!

[@BYOONER]

I feel like the eg was shifting too early. If you shift and have to wait for vtec engagement, it was too early.

[@mworld]

this proves square boxes are fast.

[@artemisprime7760]

What Toyota is that?

[@Lord_Phil]

After delivering the Pizza, our Friend makes his way home. Suddenly, a Civic appears in the back and Flashes his Lights. Both drivers speed up. A Corner appears in the Distance and Eurobeat starts playing out of nowhere...

[@YakuzaJZ]

Awesome vid man!

[@bryan10444]

both sound amazing in their own ways the 4AGE blacktop simply screams with its individual throttles while the B16a has a very unique intake sound found on the B series only

[@sushpants]

Bryan exactly! Two very different ways of making power and both sound fantastic.

[@keloduma]

Bryan the B16 is throatier

[@anthonynicholich9654]

Finally someone very intelligent did a great video. By the way Toyota will last longer DOHC..

[@machscope]

You guys, Ridge Chaser, and Haeeyy Productions are some of the very few channels that do stuff like this. No wiener sausage talk, no drag, mad pullz on the highway (br0), or stance; it's just cars like these simply having fun on the touge. You guys have definitely earned a sub!

[@RidgeChaser]

Max Jarman Props to these guys for taking the time to set up all of the camera angles! I've subbed to them as well

[@ascorbic123]

Hot version inspired editing? It's pretty cool

[@turbocavalli]

Kieran Horner lol im 13 and i know what hot version is ...keichi boi

[@luk3800]

Damit you beat me to it

[@MR2guy427]

@@luk3800 yea lol i was just about to say this looks a lot like ae86 club vol 4

[@s2korpionic]

@@turbocavalli Kurosawa is the bigger deal

[@ceralkill3r]

hey im saying it now, this is one of the best edited armature touge runs ive seen

[@sushpants]

Thank you thank you, I try to edit in a way that it doesn’t linger too long on scenes. But it was really cool to have both these cars screaming through the touge.

[@GarageBuiltHondas]

wow, super enjoyable! die hard Honda fan here but that Toyota is straight mean compared to the b16! Both cars look & sound awesome! Really great video! Subbed!!

[@sushpants]

Jon Widmer thank you!

[@TheBb6prelude]

Jon Widmer almost anything is mean compared to a b16 lol

[@GarageBuiltHondas]

preludeF20Bking You got a point! lol

[@4077661466jp]

Both cars are very cool both with there own unique way, however jon widmer if there's a single motor known to be fast and dependable and produces 100hp/liter and has ability to rev to 8300 rpm and has been the motor that carried away performance bang for the buck sure isnt any motor you find in every compact car and surely isnt a 4age 20v,supercharged or original so before you hate on something because of its abilities choose wisely what your hating on .

[@bentleybob2279]

This is not a fair comparison, should have been an Ef hatch

[@linchester8464]

holy shoot that 4AGE 20V screaming like it saying "give me more fuel!" and the acceleration of your car is much better than your buddy EG6. Nice touch on the dash for the EG6. S2000 digital dash is really nice. Only thing to do in the next video. Initial D Duct tape death match! *cues Eurobeat Vicky Vale Dancing.

[@teamthoj7595]

Lin Chester it 16vale

[@linchester8464]

Ballin_status the Corolla has a 20V 4AGE

[@teamthoj7595]

Lin Chester your correct

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

I've got a 1993 RX7 FD and man I love my rotary, but this. This sound is perfection

[@sushpants]

RX7 Daily thanks! The next car I want to record is an RX7 FD.

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

sushpants haha well if I was near you man I would certainly let you. You obviously know what you're doing haha and my FD is my baby. I just rolled over 50k miles last week!

[@Manchester7779]

if you want real sounds find a BDA Escort

[@youngenman]

A Broke Discovery 2 Owner I got to say I still preffer my FD over these and my Gc8 sti and my Del sol swaped jdm D16. Although. These are something I would love for my Sol to sound like.

[@DatFinnishGuy]

Ur fd loses to my 94 targa supra🚬

[@mishdomingo6348]

Sorry to say but the civic driver sucks... cars maybe matched but the driver skill isn't, civic driver kept changing out of vtec and short shifting. Both amazing cars and engines but need a better driver for this test.

[@anthonymathew1597]

Mish Domingo.. i agree.. it depends on the driver too..

[@NakariShiro]

I agree, this battle would’ve been a lot more intense if the B16 driver were to be a little bit more skilled. Coming from a 4AG fan

[@Manchester7779]

I've had both - the civic wins every time - in std form. 4age vs b16a both had same number of valves tho :P Have to agree with others your buddy wasn't as committed - considering his setup he has no reason to pussy lift on those cnrs - still enjoyed :)

[@MaDcOw1986]

Mish Domingo the civic driver can be a bit in a disadvantage compared to the corolla driver in attacking the curves. But you don't need much skill in a straight line acceleration as you can clearly see the 4age has the net power advantage over the B16 in this match.

[@alphaomega3633]

There's is no way a 4age is on par with Vtec. Depends on the car a b16a will always be faster in a straight line.

[@Furudo]

I love this! Both of them are so clean! The 4AGE sounds so amazing though, especially the blacktop. I can't wait to put one in my AE86, but I have the 4AC to at least putt around with until I get money for the swap.

[@fireblade3655]

MrSadOnion put a 3sge/gte

[@josephjoestar5444]

How’s that working for ya lol

[@Furudo]

@@josephjoestar5444 Incredibly late reply but I bought an S2000 instead lmao. The AE86 still has it's 4AC and still runs alright but she is rusty and I'm afraid of how much it's going to cost to restore properly.