SWAG REVIEW: ARB v KINGS v BURKE & WILLS v OZTENT v 23ZERO v JOLLY SWAGMAN

In this video Dave & Mick give you their thoughts on the swags they have used, to help you with some things to look for, on the purchase of your next swag!
Unfortunately we have actually quoted the incorrect price for the arb swag. The one we used is $479. The swag price we quoted was the arb double swag which is $679. The bags that go with them are $139 and $149 respectively. we apologise for the incorrect information.
We compare the
Kings Big Daddy
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Arb Skydome Series 2
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23zero Bandit 1100
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Oztent Bunker Pro
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Burke & Wills Redgum
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Jolly Swagman Bluey
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Enjoy guys!

[@aussieguy3689]

Excellent job guy's well done and thanks for the review's , i myself have had several swags over the years i love them . My personal favourite for adverse conditions and a shitload of rain would have to be the dune 4x4 king single , i have been in that swag in some wicked storms and even the edge of a tropical cyclone and still didn't leak one drop of water . Cheers guys i appreciate the content . ✌️👍👌

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate. They all are good swags for a certain reason or another and that's what we hoped to help point out. Our burke and Wills have been through hell and never let us down either. We have the crash pad swags now also so keen to see if they stand up to all the good feedback you hear. Thanks heaps for taking the time to comment, good to hear about the dune too. Hope it brings you many more years of a good dry nights sleep

[@racinsadventures597]

As always Brothers, great vide, great information & loads of detail. Will be such great value for anyone in the market for a swag.💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers mate that's how we had hoped it would come across. Thanks for watching

[@andrewmorrison4298]

I use the kings swag. No problem, no leaks, zips are fine. Very happy with my budget swag 👍

[@4x4brothers]

They are for sure a great swag for the price mate, ours hasn't let us down either. We now have a crashpad dome swag and do notice the difference step up in quality there though. Cheers for watching the video mate

[@MartyPhil]

Great episode lads. One of the first camping experiences I had was with the jolly swag man, down at The Prom out of the boat. I got eaten alive by sand flys and my mate didn’t even have a sleeping bag in his good time’s 😂😂😂

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate. Got on their website and looked at their newer stuff (jolly swagman) it's good to see they have a few new styles and still made in Oz. But those simple bluey style make for a interesting sleep if conditions ain't perfect 🤣

[@bound4adventure23]

Nice one boys. With so many options on the market you covered a great range of swags.

[@4x4brothers]

Thats what we like about all the ones we have in this video they all do something a little different. Cheers for watching

[@brodrums6045]

Great vid boys👍 I run the Sahara Vagabond king single swag.I absolutely love this Swag, very similar to the Burke and Wills, but opens at both ends and the bootbag/mat is sewn in. The pole and peg pouch is also sewn into the bottom off the pvc as well. Keep up the good work lads

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate. There are some great swags out there hey, was a nice little line up this as they all did things just that little bit different.

[@brodrums6045]

@@4x4brothers Yeah it was good that each swag you guys had were all very different to each other

[@4x4brothers]

@@brodrums6045 hopefully this helps someone when looking for a swag and also hopefully our next video can be a trip one 🤣

[@battlelux]

Used to camp in the jolly swagman growing up in the NT. Absolute nightmare lol can’t believe I kept it for so long!

[@4x4brothers]

What did you upgrade it to mate

[@heisiandiamhim5165]

Have had a Kings Big Daddy Deluxe for about 8 years now and it’s never let me down, I got the older version which came with the oversized canvas bags and better quality canvas hoops, and seam sealed, unlike some of the new ones that aren’t apparently. Served me well for years but have recently upgraded to a 23zero bandit 1400 and looking forward to giving it a go

[@4x4brothers]

The kings gear is definitely good for getting people out and about or if they use it infrequently but definitely notice the quality difference. You had a good run out of yours. Our one a mate now uses for his kids and it's still going fine too. Your going to love the new swag though mate, big improvement

[@Pat.Mustard]

Have slept in the Jolly swag in pelting rain, on a stretcher, and I was just fine. Back in the early nineties all swags we’re like that. The Bush Tucker man made them popular. His swag was just a big sheet of canvass folded into thirds with a couple of woollen army blankets and a pillow.

[@4x4brothers]

We have definitely opted for a lot of comforts these days haven’t we. Not just with swags but everything the majority of people take camping with them Some times though you can’t beat simple

[@alexpoultney7783]

Ive had my jolly swagman for over 15 years now. Love it.

[@4x4brothers]

Definatly are a well made swag. That one is about 30 years old in the video

[@AttaXerxes]

Excellent video fellas, I just got a Burke and Wills XL (red), my mates called it a 'My little Pony' swag, looks like that's what it's called from now on, I set it up last week in Cape York near the Jardine and it was the most comfortable nights sleep I've had in a swag, Happy days

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers mate. Not a bad location to break in a swag either. Pretty jealous there of you. They do make a comfortable swag.

[@AttaXerxes]

@@4x4brothers just a quick one, what do you make of 'air swags' ? a swag with a college education, or trying too hard ?

[@4x4brothers]

@@AttaXerxes can't really comment as have never known anyone to use one but have hear a few good things about the tents that use air

[@tawnyschlienz9063]

Last swag I've called a bed roll for years. I have my grandfather's. Made with canvas. I wax it every couple years so it stays waterproof. Best thing I own. Great for a motorcycle.

[@4x4brothers]

Sounds like you've got your self a good quality swag there mate thats going to last a lifetime

[@my05redx]

Love my Jolly Swagman swag, had it for about 25 years and still as comfortable as ever

[@4x4brothers]

They definitely have their purpose. We might be a bit spoilt now with the thicker mattress in the newer swags to go back to using that one in particular 🤣

[@moldycupbleachpower6782]

Grant I guess when there is no comfort to start with it's pretty hard to say it's gotten worse over 25 years 😂 Throw a new 70mm high density foam mattress in your swag and you'll be back to delete this comment 😂

[@Peil_lc200]

Still got my jolly swagman in the shed, had it 34 years & woken up many a time satched. Can't wait to give my young fella the same memories 🤣.

[@4x4brothers]

Tried and tested mate that's awesome. The young fella might use it as a second mattress inside a dome swag 🤣

[@Peil_lc200]

@@4x4brothers he's got to have at least 1 bad night sleep to appreciate how much better they've gotten

[@4x4brothers]

@@Peil_lc200 100% mate everyone should start with the basics before they shell out

[@greatsouthernoverland]

I used a hand me down Jolly Swagman for the year of camping before I could afford a new swag. Never had a dry nights sleep:D

[@4x4brothers]

Haha but makes you appreciate when you upgrade and makes for some great stories I bet

[@barneyh4655]

I used the burke and wills swag for a year and hated that it wasn't freestanding. In hard ground it was really hard to setup because the pegs wouldn't go into the ground, the flynet got small holes in it because i rolled it up with the poles inside. but the nice part was watching the stars on a dry night. I'm wanting to get a crashpad single swag or just the classic one for super simple camping.

[@4x4brothers]

Not being free-standing is definitely a con of the swag. Would only take spreader bars to solve that. We both have the crashpad double swag now too and that's a great swag. Upgraded the king to that.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

Got a single Bourke and Wills Biker swag and a single swag like your Jolly Swagman. Both do the job well. Just added a Oztent Geko king single stretcher to make both more comfortable. I have a permanent rolled out double swag and sleeping bag in back of canvas canopy of 4x4 that the bed base is a tray of drawers for camp and recovery gear that is no set up. Climb in and sleep. So many ways to skin a cat.

[@4x4brothers]

Sure is mate so many options out there which is always good depending on your camping style and room availability 👌

[@jamesmengel5818]

Just learning about swags here in the states and have been debating between the Darche dusk to dawn 1100/1400 or the 23zero Dual swag 1100/1400. Great video!

[@4x4brothers]

Gday mate I'd be tempted to go for the 23 zero over the dome. The squarer design gives a bit more roomier feel. Obviously comes down to your choice but that's our two bob worth. Glad it was helpful mate

[@davidbernadine]

Thanks for a great review. I agree that the Kings Big Daddy Deluxe swag is a tight fit and is hard to get it in its bag. I certainly found this to be the case when I first bought mine, but it gets better when you master your packing skills after a week on the tracks. If this is still is a concern for you, Kings now make an oversized swag bag for $59. The ARB Skydome Touring review says that the 2 doors offer a versatile opening. They don’t look as wide as the Kings Big Daddy Deluxe, which has much wider full-length door on both sides, making it easier to get in and out. The 23Zero Bandit review says that entering is quite easy with its four doors (two on each side). I would think that the Kings Big Daddy Deluxe would be easier to enter (and get out). Even though the Kings Big Daddy Deluxe has just one door on each side, it’s a larger full-length door rather than 2 smaller doors, so getting in and out of the swag is easier than having 2 doors on each side with a canvas partition and pole in the middle. I agree that the Kings Big Daddy Deluxe sags a little, but it’s not as bad as swags with no spreader bar at the top. Those swags with a middle hooped pole would be better to overcome this sagging issue, but the downside is that they are harder to get in and out with a centre hooped pole. The review says the Burke & Wills swag is the only one that comes with sandfly mesh. The Kings Big Daddy deluxe swag also has this feature.

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for the time to watch and the in depth reply. The kings is definitely a great entry swag no doubt about that but there is some definite quality differences as you step up the range. Everyone is for sure going to see different positives and negatives too thats why we tried to keep this as positive as possible because they are all great in some way and to someone so hopefully people can take away what they need to when looking at swags.

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

I have the jet bunker that looks to be a newer model you have as mine doesnt the pockets for ropes. Otherwise fantastic i do roll with a self inflating mattress in it but have camp in high country snow no dramas. woken up with a massive puddle on it and dry as on inside besides condensation. Last trip i used it one of the bolts came out of the frame luckily found a skinny enough tent peg to get me through the long weekend

[@4x4brothers]

They are a great concept hey and I guess when you start to do that style there are sacrifices you have to make. Its quiet easy to put like you do a self inflating mattress in. Even just having a thick sleeping bag like the crashpad sleep system makes a big difference too . Cheers for watching mate

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

@@4x4brothers downside is when I go in mates cars they complain about all the stuff you bring not a big deal when it's you own car but the jet bunker mattress sleeping bag and pillow adds up to a lot

[@birdboi0725]

i own a kings swag and love it, awesome swag but is a little big for when im camping in the tinny so looking for something a little smaller at least when packed up

[@4x4brothers]

They are a great swag for what you pay, you do notice the differences though when side by side with something like the crashpad double. Something like the Burke and wills would be perfect for the tinny or even the bunker keeps you off the ground on the rocky bank.

[@doguztv]

Thanks Lads. Well informed.

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate

[@Ukjackie73]

I'm stuck deciding between The Kings Big Daddy Double Deluxe that is currently on sale at around $238 or the Burke & Wills that I saw on your video.... Im after waterproof, warm, and good mattress. If you had to pick between them, which would you lean towards and why?

[@4x4brothers]

Do you want a double or single swag. Single will be warmer as less air to warm on the inside and more compact pagked up if that's a consideration but obviously less roomier The mattress are probably on par but construction much better in the burke. If its an occasional use swag though the kings will be fine. Hope this helps a bit

[@andyhibbert4563]

Great vid boys, I came back to the vid because I’m about to pull the trigger on getting a new swag.

[@4x4brothers]

Nice mate, what ones got your fancy

[@andyhibbert4563]

@@4x4brothers So far it’s the Bunker.

[@4x4brothers]

@@andyhibbert4563 nice mate, pretty fast setup those

[@marilynhardman5239]

In the early 80’s I had an even more basic one than that.. no buttons, zip etc, just folded canvas with a good mattress. Lol.

[@4x4brothers]

I think as long as you have a good mattress you will get a good night's sleep even in the most basic swag

[@antoniorios3856]

Wish these were more common in the states, combines a tent and mattress which makes setup easy

[@4x4brothers]

Sure does and can leave your bedding in also and roll it all up makes it very simple way to go about it all

[@homeguy4]

I've got an ARB Dual Swag. Love it, but it is pretty big and heavy. I'm contemplating on getting a single swag, either the crashpad or Burke & Wills Redgum.

[@4x4brothers]

Single swags are great for when your solo over the bigger heavier doubles. The crashpad or the burke and wills you would be very happy with.

[@explorethebush]

Checkout Southern Cross Canvas or Murchison River Swags too, they are still Australian made 👍

[@4x4brothers]

@@explorethebush both them options are a great swag from what we have heard, would be nice to get our hands on them to compare

[@jeffhartley3298]

I have had the simple canvas swag for over 40 years and will never part with it. Have slept in this in all seasons, conditions and locations all over Australia. All i can say is set it up with a good self inflating mattress and then sit back watch all your mates struggle rolling up their massive swags.

[@4x4brothers]

They definitely have their advantages mate and some circumstances and locations would be way better than any of the "new type" disadvantages of internal space would be the main thing though hey

[@explorethebush]

How do you go with snakes at night on the move? Do you use a stretcher in summer when they are most active? I had a chat with a snake catcher and he recommended getting a traditional swag off the ground during late spring and summer

[@4x4brothers]

@@explorethebush guess that would depend on the area you are heading to also. Snakes can climb stretcher legs too 😉

[@explorethebush]

@@4x4brothers yeah for sure, it is just an additional level of seperation.

[@4x4brothers]

@@explorethebush the stretcher is perfect too when the grounds muddy, super cold or sandy

[@stevej.6674]

It would be the 23zero for me....comfortable sleep & waterproof - the 2 most important features if you ask me!

[@4x4brothers]

They do make a good swag hey mate. Staying dry is probably one of the most important things in a swag then comfort

[@burrowes8615]

Great video boys, Im tossing up to get crashpad, WANDER, burke or ARB, which would you recommend? I want it to be open so I can see the stars but good and reliable.

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate, we have the crashpad also now and it's a really well made swag. Opens up being a dome swag same way the kings does so not the best for laying on your back looking up compared to the arb and burke. All 3 of them you can't go wrong and won't be disappointed. The wander don't know anyone that has one so can't give you any input on there sorry. Arb a bit more options of ways to open up, the Burke's a bit more basic. Crashpad great the way the flaps cover all the zips also. Hope that helps mate

[@jesusblessthesecommentsamen]

Jollie swagman is the best the rest are tents with mine didn’t get stollen hard to find a non tent swag. God bless

[@4x4brothers]

Definitely tried and tested. Perfect if you were after light weight compact option

[@rothburger]

I got a Jolly swag it don’t get any easier put a decent mattress in and ya good to go, I’ve got others that are like tents to assemble

[@4x4brothers]

Definatly mate simplicity at its finest and so good for alot of applications. We might be getting soft in our old age wanting a bit more room 🤣

[@rodneyanson8756]

Very well done, great video

[@4x4brothers]

Thanks mate, we have another coming out soon with a new line-up

[@michaelhermans4753]

One big advantage of the Jolly apart from setup time is you can sit-up in it without hitting your head lol

[@4x4brothers]

Haha thats one way to look at it 😄

[@jamesholt7611]

I’ve had to replace my Kings swag twice because of major leaks and poor build quality. Ended up getting and XTM and never had an issue

[@4x4brothers]

The XTM gear seems to be pretty good hey they have a few bits and pieces out everyone seems happy with Kings are definitely built to a lower quality but handy for people to get into camping as a 1st swag Cheers for watching maye

[@moltenpoetry8569]

Had an xl basic swag since I was 16. Packed it on multiple camps, musters, anywhere, love it. Shared with the missus recently... now I'm up for a double 😅 looking at a darche nebula 1550 any comments?

[@4x4brothers]

Thats usually when it has to be stepped up to the dome swag when the better half share's it with you 🤣 Darche make a really good swag mate, the 23zero swags are pretty well based off of them and can't really fault them. You will be happy with it

[@arkhamkillzone]

​@4x4brothers I was planning on buying a 23zero 1400 bandit this week. Does this sound like a good first swag purchase or is there a better quality one you can reccomend? I am after quality that will last.

[@lewisjeffreys9175]

Thanks for doing this vid. The kings will lose all that sag if you run a line from half way up one hoop around your peg and back to the opposite side. Big and comfortable but a pain to roll up on your own.

[@4x4brothers]

Thats a good little tip, its still got a little to do with the build of the swag. The crashpad in the same style we now have also and the sag in that is a gigantic improvement. Kings is still great for the price though

[@cyclemoto8744]

I don't understand why anyone needs a swag bag unless the swag isn't waterproof. I've never used a swag bag and my swag has always stayed dried on the inside the transported on roof rack. Thanks for the content lads. Cheers

[@4x4brothers]

Biggest upside on the bag is keeping it clean in our option Like you said water shouldn’t phase it but keeping dust and mud off is handy

[@nordic5490]

Surveying in the NT for several years, it was always a laugh to see a fourby with 4 swags loaded up on the roof without any protection. Those sways then collect half of the NTs dust, and bugs, locaust, diesel soot from the fourby infront, ie, everything. If that wasnt bad enough, then it rained, and the same collection of schmutz turns into an unholy gunk. Driving 90k km pa on mostly bush tracks, I had my swag in a very heavy duty custom canvas tube bag, and if there was likely to be rain, that day, I slid the sag into a poly bin liner bag first, then into the swag bag. And I always used a small tap on the ground first. After 26yrs, said swag canvas still looks brand new, even after many 100s of nights of use. If you care about your swag, look after it.

[@4x4brothers]

@@nordic5490 yep couldn’t agree more I like the dry bag style pvc bags, nothing is getting into them. And if they are well looked after they will last many many years and still look new

[@jf142]

Jollyman swag- Best for going out bush in the military so much better than sleeping on the ground. Weight and space is an issue so its perfect

[@4x4brothers]

Definatly would be perfect for that situation. Especially if bad weather isn't to much of a issue. If weight is a issue best of the bunch for sure

[@liamgall8309]

I am getting my jolly swagman swag modified otherwise it is a thick canvas first night i slept in it it rain and barely leeked

[@4x4brothers]

They are a good quality swag and definitely have their purpose. Getting older now(or softer) and like a few creature comforts 🤣

[@benb1355]

Cracker video - What are those pegs you guys are using with the battery drill and where do you get them?

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers mate for watching. They are called ezy anchors. Awesome product we use them in everything except sand They work amazing ezyanchor.com/ Thats their website mate

[@4WLEX]

pretty basic the last one hahahha thanks for the video, this is exactly what I was looking for. cheers mates!

[@4x4brothers]

Sure is basic hey, some people still love them swags and they are fit for a purpose. Hope it helps you looking for a swag mate. Cheere for watching

[@JasonISF]

My dad has a swag that's similar to the most basic one at the end of the video. I've spent a few nights out in the cold in it when I was younger, and had probably some of the worst nights sleep I've ever had! Looking to get the 23zero bandit soon though.

[@4x4brothers]

If you have the space for a bigger swag than traditional one you won't regret it mate. The bandit is a very good swag too you will be happy with it thats for sure

[@JasonISF]

@@4x4brothers Cheers, pretty much sold on the Bandit 1400 and the Mrs likes it too. I bought an OZtrail stretcher tent recently and only used it once, but I don't think I want to again as getting in an out in the middle of the night is a PITA and the amount of light it lets in is annoying.

[@4x4brothers]

Keep the misses happy and she will let you spend what you want on camping gear 🤣

[@JasonISF]

@@4x4brothers Too right mate. Just bought the Bandit 1400 today, stoked! I did notice the storage pockets are still on the 'foot' end of this one though.

[@4x4brothers]

Interesting, when we got our one they said they were changing the design. Due to feedback. Wonder what's happening there

[@careymahoney1605]

Great review guys.. have you used the Oztent in really cold conditions.? My understanding is that it does not insulate as well as a traditional swag .. especially from the ground as cold air creeps into that area of the bunker

[@4x4brothers]

Hi mate yeah correct in really cold conditions the oztent you get a bit of draft up the sides of the fly and yeah its not as well insulated so definitely need a good sleeping bag there.

[@careymahoney1605]

@@4x4brothers ok cheers

[@4x4brothers]

@@careymahoney1605 its not to much of an issue though as when its really cold every swag is pretty fresh in there without a good bag

[@chris-tq5ly]

I combine the bunker with a cheap envelope swag (like the last one) as a bedroll and leave my sleeping bag in there. In summer I have the swag open and leave the fly off. Winter the swag is closed up and stops any draft. The bunker and the envelope swag with my sleeping bag in it packs away smaller than the hooped style swags. And yeah I’d buy the last swag just gotta know how to use it! Thanks for the vid boys

[@4x4brothers]

@@chris-tq5ly thats the go mate for a comfortable night sleep. The concept of the bunker is fantastic. Add that extra mattress and your sorted. Fast set up too. Cheers for watching mate

[@VestigialHead]

The old Jolly swagman format is what my father and grandfather used all over WA, NT, QLD outback hunting crocs and buffalo. If you set them up right you will not get wet. But yeah not the most comfy thing ever. But better than the stories of some of the old fellas that used to just dig a hip hole in the sand in the desert and sleep with no swag.

[@4x4brothers]

For those situations that style of swag is perfect, I'm tipping they would have been pretty wrecked after a day of hunting the would have slept well being in a hole or a average mattress 😂

[@VestigialHead]

@@4x4brothers True that. Plus I think they were just a tougher breed than most these days. We all love our comforts. :)

[@4x4brothers]

@@VestigialHead 100% mate but if you can have a comfortable nights sleep and have the room you may as well go for a bigger swag over the tarp on the ground haha

[@mattevans3212]

Ive got the basic one had it for about 30 years dont use it anymore, you have to get pretty drunk to have a good night sleep in it

[@4x4brothers]

🤣🤣 yeah as you get older I think you start to like a few more creature comforts. At least you can blame the hangover on the swag though 😀

[@andyshazza]

Burke and Wills Redgum King size - cannot go wrong, season it well and you will have it for life.

[@4x4brothers]

Burke and wills make a awesome swag their quality is top notch 👌

[@aaronrichards9520]

Ive had some cold nights sleep in the old Jolly Swagman better then straight on the ground with sleeping just

[@4x4brothers]

Hahaha yeah there isn’t much to the traditional swags is there. The bigger swags are definitely handy to have that extra space around you but the con is they are much bigger rolled up if that’s an issue

[@gregdogg10]

Where do u get those screw in pegs ? I’ve got some cheap screw in ones but yours look heaps better

[@4x4brothers]

ezyanchor.com/ These ones are fantastic mate few years use now and not 1 issue

[@chrispulham4779]

Cheers guys!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@4x4brothers]

Hope it helped you out mate

[@Smokeyr67]

If your looking at the ARB or in that price range, Darche are worth a look

[@4x4brothers]

Darche and the 23zero are basically the same swag too

[@dboutnabout2732]

Great tent review guys…quite like your tent pegs…where can they be purchased from…?

[@4x4brothers]

Thanks for watching mate, the screw in pegs work amazing. We don't use standard pegs for anything any more. This is the website for them. ezyanchor.com/

[@dboutnabout2732]

@@4x4brothers 👍🍻

[@lanceboudreau3630]

What brand Tent pegs are you using

[@4x4brothers]

They are ezyanchors mate, we think they are brilliant

[@Tomfissh]

Every review of the Kings swag seems to indicate it leaks. But it's biased towards those with motivation to review, which, if you're happy with a product, you probably won't do. Anyone have any experience with the Big Daddy in the rain?

[@4x4brothers]

In all honesty mate we can’t fault them if you take into account the are built to a price. Had in torrential downpour and all without a issue. We don’t own one anymore have given them away to mates and they still using them without issues for their kids

[@FalseGamerOG]

From the USA, all I sleep in is swags( arb one). Good reviews mate

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate. We juggle between swags, roof top tents, a normal tent and a camper trailer depending on the trip. Handy having options. The arb its a really good swag. Good choice 👌

[@deandsilva6984]

Well done boys and thankyou it helped me decide

[@4x4brothers]

Glad it could be of some help mate. What did you go for?

[@deandsilva6984]

@@4x4brothers the big daddy

[@4x4brothers]

@@deandsilva6984 you will get plenty of life out of that mate and a good swag for the price. When your ready you will definitely notice the difference when you step up, we now have a crashpad double and it's ripper

[@halfmanpete407]

Not sure if I’ve asked the question... what are the “pegs” that you are using?

[@4x4brothers]

They are ezy anchors mate. Absolutely love them, haven't hit in a peg for a long time now ezyanchor.com/

[@ashleeugle2767]

I'm in the middle of making a swag purchase so really glad to come across this video - thank you guys 🙏🏽🙏🏽 I'm tossing up between the ARB and Burke and Wills (single Grampian one though vs the redgum in your video). The guy in my local camping store mentioned them no longer being manufactured in Oz, but you guys thought the quality still looked pretty good? (Don't worry I won't gold anyone to it, just wanting to hear peoples experiences with the new models) I just can't find a lot of reviews on them 😟

[@4x4brothers]

Glad it could be of some help to you. Yeab Burke and wills moved offshore as they said were struggling to compete with the bigger brands as they were all made o/s also. The quality definitely hasn't dropped because of this though. Arb has a a few more extra features but the burke is supper rugged so you will be definitely happy with either. So many choices out there

[@ashleeugle2767]

@@4x4brothers yeah very helpful, thank you! Ah that makes sense 😊 that seems to be the thing, they both look great so I'm having a hard time choosing 😅 but the video was food for thought. Thanks for your reply!

[@4x4brothers]

@@ashleeugle2767 good luck with the choice any questions happy to help. Your the only one that can mate the final decision but yeah both great swags, another one in the mix could be crash pad, we have just got one of them also and they seem pretty good also. Lots out there with no real issues

[@ashleeugle2767]

@@4x4brothers for sure, thanks so much. Have seen some good reviews for Crashpad too. My first choice was actually the Darche Dusk to Dawn but I'm an idiot and have left it a bit last minute (for shipping anyway). Still got some good options just have to decide 😊

[@travisbacon5527]

Yep had one and slept in one when I was younger; I wouldn't own one again, though with so many better options.

[@4x4brothers]

Which one did you have mate the jolly? What do you have now?

[@travisbacon5527]

@@4x4brothers yeh one like the jolly made by a local sticher. Now I don't have any actually, I have been considering getting the arb. I have been tenting it for awhile with little kids. But they are getting bigger 👍

[@4x4brothers]

@@travisbacon5527 arb is a great swag. Just the poles are the let down. I've since the video broken one also

[@travisbacon5527]

@@4x4brothers good to know! Thanks mate. 👍

[@4x4brothers]

@@travisbacon5527 we will be doing a pt2 with some new swags end of next Month so keep your eyes peeled if you haven't got one by then

[@moldycupbleachpower6782]

Yeeeeew boys bloody rippa video! Even chuckin on the humungous tradie voices for the boys pure classic ya mad knts yeeww. Only thing is should of kept the tradie voice when ya were explaing solo. But loving the vid fellas, ya seem like a bunch of sik knts. Get some rum in ya boys making straya proud. Smash some Bundis n country music for the boys just fkn yeeeew legends

[@4x4brothers]

Haha cheers champion. Tradie voice probably disappears when I'm reading the notes I had written down to voice over, gotta concentrate for that 🤣

[@Jars1996]

What the actual fuck was that, surely you don’t actually fuckin talk like that

[@joshuaferguson191]

@@Jars1996 🤣🤣

[@Jimmy_Saf]

great vid boys

[@4x4brothers]

Thanks bud, glad it was helpful 👍

[@killenukont4170]

I am looking to buy a swag. Any chance for a 2023 update

[@4x4brothers]

Sure do we are all ready to go with a bunch of new swags just trying to line up a day to film

[@Arj1980]

What tent pegs are those please?

[@4x4brothers]

These are ezy anchors mate. Check them out on Instagram or google. Game changer!

[@Arj1980]

@@4x4brothers will do, thanx for the reply

[@redbitter1232]

Arb with a cot bit expensive but totally worth it

[@4x4brothers]

The stretcher is great for getting up out of the mud, snow or sand we have found also. Worth the outlay for that.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

good job boys!

[@4x4brothers]

Thanks mate appreciated

[@MultiReinforced]

Good overview, Sauls of Tawonga are Aussie made would be good to see a review, all but the traditional style are just canvas tents. Get a tent with a PU coated nylon floor that’s quick to pitch would be better than these over complicated ‘swags’, the concept of the swag was light and transportable, these could go about 15m from the Ute before people would give up. Traditional swags are the go.

[@4x4brothers]

They definitely all have their intended purposes, keen to have a look at these Saul's mate cheers for the suggestion. Be interesting to see how it compares. Thanks for watching

[@adamli8484]

I have used a Saul swag for the last 14 years and I still love it. I have the mozzie net and a hiking tarp rolled up in it. On a hot night I use the net and sleep on top of it. On crap ground I set it up on a stretcher or on my ute tray. They are so simple to use, there is nothing to break and roll up smaller than most dome swags even with my sheets and blankets inside. A great product and one of the few still made in Australia

[@191941pilot]

@@adamli8484 I'm with you, Ive had my Saul swag for 20 years, the double flap keeps you dry in any weather. Used it all over Oz at all times of the year, great on a stretcher or on the ground. I use either a mozzie net or mozzie rings so I don't have any insect issues. So easy to unroll or roll up, also weighs bugger all so throwing it on the roof rack is a breeze. Great Australian made swag.

[@ajlongworth69]

so which is your favourite. i currently have the mitchell double bt ive been considering a free standing as it gives better clearance andyou can sit up in them. ive been looking at buying the 23zero great vid by the way

[@4x4brothers]

Cheers for watching mate its hard to pick a favourite. The arb or Burke and wills get a fair fun for if taking a small single. Now have the crashpad double also and that's really good. 23zero is a really good and popular choice also. Any of them and you can't go wrong

[@paulvictor9368]

I am saving up for a Darche.

[@4x4brothers]

They are a great swag too mate

[@JoeDebono]

Could someone please explain the attraction of modern swags? They weigh too much packed, they take up as much if not more space than a 4-person tent in the car, they’re bastards to roll up, just as involved to set up as a tent, I could go on. Oh and you can’t stand up in a swag like you can in a tent.

[@4x4brothers]

It's a valid point mate but unlike a tent the mattress and bedding can be all rolled up in it and put on a roof ( yes is bulky but so is a self inflating mattress if you choose that for a comfortable nights sleep. The set up times are pretty fast as you seen in the video. Not many if any tents you could set up that fast with mattress etc. Downside is yep you can't stand up but there is quite alot of room inside these for getting changed etc. We still don't think there is one perfect setup would all come down to personal choice.

[@JoeDebono]

@@4x4brothers In my day, a swag rolled up and strapped to your back, mattress included, hardly any weight and you could walk for hours without tiring. These things should be called something else, “swags” they’re not. (Did I mention the claustrophobia?)

[@4x4brothers]

Thats exactly what the jolly swagman is mate that's why we wanted to incorporate it into this video. I guess it's like everything hey it evolves with what people want out of a product. Definitely If you were on horseback or in a small tinny these big dome swags just wouldn't cut it. I still think the deserve the name swag it's just more so a "dome" swag

[@vernshein5430]

In Canada I'm going to try out a Kings for boat camping on my 14' tinny.

[@gmsinding1766]

those 3 hoop swags like the arb, bandit no good for older blokes to get into or out of when on a stretcher, on the ground its doable but on a stretcher no way, one big opening 2 hoops center pole tensioner way easier, should be on your cons

[@4x4brothers]

That’s a good point mate and can definitely see if you were a bit less mobile

[@1tr1ck]

Whats the go with the drill ??

[@4x4brothers]

Screw in pegs mate

[@mikeyb6737]

should look at the wingman toucan

[@4x4brothers]

Haven't heard of them mate will Definatly check them out

[@Angelicwings1]

Could you guys check out the Sahara swags? I’m curious about what you think

[@4x4brothers]

They look pretty good, really good pricing too

[@4x4brothers]

Thats just going by photos

[@Angelicwings1]

@@4x4brothers yeah. I’ve got one Sahara swag but I don’t have any other experience to size it up with. I couldn’t compare it to another swag because I’ve never had any other swag. It’s hard to find many reviews on the brand. It’s actually hard to find reviews on a lot of swags from people who actually know something about them.

[@4x4brothers]

@@Angelicwings1 if your happy with the swag and sleep well in it and don't leak water, zips work well it's a good swag in our opinion

[@Angelicwings1]

@@4x4brothers That’s fair. I was just curious about what someone who has seen many swags thought about it.

[@scottlampe70]

I have had a jolly swagman since the late 80's. Never had a problem with it although I mostly had it on the back of a Ute or a in a boat. I think those bows and hoops would give me the shits as well, that's why I didn't get a tent.

[@4x4brothers]

Thats exactly why the old man brought the jolly. Was always for in the boat on fishing trips for its small size. Definitely a much fast setup than one with hoops but handy those in bad weather.

[@alexaelliott2598]

I used the Jolly Swagman from Perth to Darwin, through Pilbara and Kimberley. No rain was a plus. I combined it with a Cot1 stretcher to keep me off the ground. A down sleeping bag inside kept me snug on cold nights. I LOVED the ease of set up. I loved the simplicity. As a 70 year old female I found this ideal. I couldn’t be bothered with the bulkier more complicated swags. I have since upgraded to an Oztrail basic with insect netting at the head. Again instant set up. Lightweight, inexpensive, bug proof. On hot nights I use the net dome only of the Oztrail Tasman tent and my stretcher. Lightweight, easy set up bugproof. I don’t get the complicated camping style but each to his own. Having looked at these swags I would prefer a popup tent with Cot1 stretcher and sleeping bag. More options, more room. Great summary

[@4x4brothers]

I think that's the beauty of so many different products and styles that there is a range to suit everyone for every situation. The pull over swags are perfect for super fast set up. Even the bulkier type really don't take very long to set up. Mosquito netting is definitely a bonus keeping the bugs and unwanted guests out 🦎🐍🕷🪳

[@DestinationOffroad]

awesome video guys. Now I dont feel bad owning 7 swags hahaha

[@4x4brothers]

Can you ever have to many 🤣

[@DestinationOffroad]

@@4x4brothers when they have a kings logo then yes. Haha

[@4x4brothers]

@@DestinationOffroad 🤣🤣

[@DestinationOffroad]

@@4x4brothers nah I have finally got myself a crashpad single with the stretcher. Going to love testing it out. If all goes well I'll change all of them to crashpads

[@wadejensen3301]

Yeah all depends on where you are living and camping I guess hey.....up here around Darwin airflow is a huge consideration....you want full airflow.

[@4x4brothers]

100% mate a swag that's right for someone won't be right for someone else. All depends on the use and location. I should have been up in Darwin at the moment but bloody vic lockdowns have stuffed those plans unfortunately

[@wadejensen3301]

@@4x4brothers bloody lockdowns!

[@4x4brothers]

@@wadejensen3301 bad mate, I'll be up as soon as it's opened up if the weather is OK still and not to late in the season

[@wadejensen3301]

@@4x4brothers no worries mate..hit me up if you want to go for a fish!

[@4x4brothers]

@@wadejensen3301 see if we can land a nice barra 🎣

[@silvesterpeel5379]

19:05 The Saul Swag is a nice-looking swag. If you'd like to test that one out.

[@4x4brothers]

They do look like a good quality traditional swag mate. Aussie made too which is a bonus

[@silvesterpeel5379]

@4x4brothers I agree. I have a Hi Country Goulburn 1500 over 7 years it's been good for a low budget, entry double, plenty of storage, built in door mat.. Cons I've encountered, the classic double sag makes double sleeping squishy, the mattress is thin at 30mm, and a few holes have appeared in the stitching, and replacement poles are 3rd/pty only.

[@4x4brothers]

@@silvesterpeel5379that’s definitely the major con with a traditional swag is the comfort and no space inside to get changed etc but the bonus is with them the light weight and compact size

[@silvesterpeel5379]

@@4x4brothers I am looking at getting a Soul Swag. For solo camping trips. And potentially upgrade the double using your videos as guides.

[@4x4brothers]

@@silvesterpeel5379 awesome mate hope the videos help we can be sing out mate

[@gregbishop610]

Good video

[@4x4brothers]

Thanks mate, cheers for watching

[@seangordon1120]

Dunno why you wouldn't try to get a Darche swag to put in here

[@4x4brothers]

We hadn't had any experience with one or known anyone who had one to give real world use experience. The darche is very similar to the 23zero though

[@girlyvoice3210]

I can't afford these so I'm going to pitch some canvas over a cheap tunnel tent inner

[@4x4brothers]

What ever works for you to get out and about is all that matters 👌

[@ameliayoung6462]

With the big daddy Dulux they have fixed the sagging

[@4x4brothers]

What have they done differently on that one do you know?

[@Jimmy_Saf]

no crashpad boys?

[@4x4brothers]

Didn't have one at the time of this video. Both have one now as our double swag of choice. Great swag

[@ellarashleigh60]

I’m sorry I absolutely hate the kings swags there too cheeply made, mine broke in about 5 different places and I didn’t have it for more than 8 months and it would leak water every time getting my pillow and mattress wet

[@4x4brothers]

You definitely notice the quality difference side by side to other brands. I think they would be a bit hit n miss with there problems too some people get lucky with them others not so much

[@nigelcoleman9939]

I spent 20 years in the Australian Army sleeping under a hootchie, give ma a Jolly Swagmen anytime…….

[@4x4brothers]

They definitely are the best for light and simple. Be glamping compared to the army gear

[@kevinjones8496]

I was in the Corps of Trucks. We took our swags...a third class ride was better than a first class walk

[@4x4brothers]

@@kevinjones8496 definitely mate much easier getting around on wheels hey

[@georgedaniels3683]

Where’s the darche swag..... one of the biggest sellers of swags in Australia?

[@4x4brothers]

Unfortunately we didn't own one of them mate, there is alot of great swags that we couldn't cover or buy them all. From all we have heard Darche are a great swag. Have heard of a few that snapped the poles thats only very rare though

[@junglejim4569]

Where's CrashPad?

[@4x4brothers]

We have one now didn't when we filmed this unfortunately

[@halfmanpete407]

So how does the Crashpad compare?

[@4x4brothers]

@@halfmanpete407 haven't used it just yet mate its sitting in the shed ready for when we can go camping to see how it compares, lots of good feedback on them though

[@halfmanpete407]

@@4x4brothers ah one more thing, what are the pegs you guys were screwing in?

[@4x4brothers]

@@halfmanpete407 ezy anchors mate. They are a game changer.

[@rudvs]

Should do one on sleeping bags

[@4x4brothers]

That could be a interesting one. Would have to do some looking into what are some popular options

[@rudvs]

@@4x4brothers well i have kings sleeping bsg,crashpad,23zero and 2 darchie ones canvas and the other material if you need options lol

[@4x4brothers]

@@rudvs you've got all bases covered. We are both using the crashpad bags and can't fault them. Only thing is their size and a effort to get in the bag but the sleeping bags amazing

[@TimTamRipple]

The Jolly Swagman- no, no, no and no. Does that answer all your questions?. Lol

[@4x4brothers]

Hahaha it’s very basic isn’t it 😂

[@omeba600]

Main comment being that the Big Daddy is the only one that the Missus can join you. The rest are singles.

[@4x4brothers]

Thats it mate, and most of these brands do other options that can sleep two also. We had to draw the line so the video didn't drag on though. Cheers for watching

[@omeba600]

@@4x4brothers the weights were interesting! Keep at it

[@4x4brothers]

@@omeba600 yeah lots of variance in them hey

[@Smokeyr67]

Is that a good or bad thing?

[@Brendan9300]

Have a jolly man swag and its seen better days

[@4x4brothers]

Bet it's been through the ringer mate they were made pretty well

[@Brendan9300]

@@4x4brothers yeah its slowly falling apart

[@barrytribe2097]

i have one for 30 odd years.

[@4x4brothers]

What one have you got mate

[@barrytribe2097]

@@4x4brothers the joly swagman

[@4x4brothers]

@@barrytribe2097 30 years old it shows the quality of them 👍

[@naomiarkinstall7562]

Only have the basic swag, 25+ years old. Never use it anymore 😂

[@4x4brothers]

Haha time for a update a spend a few nights under the stars

[@MultiReinforced]

Would be a pain to dry some of these out

[@4x4brothers]

Yeah it can be with the bigger swags, we usually drape it over the dirt bikes to help get it all sorted

[@wally1166]

Can you please move Kings rubbish away from the ARB swag what an insult to such high quality lol

[@4x4brothers]

Haha had to include it as it does help to show the difference between what you get for your money. Obvious choice for alot of people

[@wally1166]

Australia already has enough rubbish tips thanks to these penny wise pound stupid people lol

[@Lordoftheflatbush]

Swags are not useable in Europe or in any wet environment. Do not see the value. They are bulky and expensive compared to a normal shelter with more room, much lighter and cost a fraction of a swag.

[@4x4brothers]

They are perfect in any wet environment mate we have used them in all conditions. Fast set-up and plenty of room in the dome style. All bedding is already in and made as you can roll them up with it in there

[@simonhawker9277]

why would you name a peice of camping equipment after the most famous camping failure of or history, why not the gallipoli swag or the somme swag,

[@4x4brothers]

What swag is that in reference to mate?

[@davidbernadine]

I think he's meaning Burke and Wills

[@mikeyb6737]

PLASTIC BUCKLES BREAK - YOU WANT D RINGS

[@4x4brothers]

D rings definitely stronger but if decent quality plastic we haven't had one issue breaking a clip yet

[@glennpayne704]

YKK zips otherwise forget it...

[@4x4brothers]

You found them to be the best hey?

[@glennpayne704]

4x4 Brothers nothing else comes close

[@4x4brothers]

@@glennpayne704 ill have to look what swags run them. Cheers for the info mate

[@todgilding1365]

You young blokes have no idea , I am 63 yo and have swag camped more times than you have had Sunday dinners . Why would you not include the best aussie swag THE CRASHPAD

[@4x4brothers]

That’s grouse your getting out and about a heap mate. We didn’t include it in this as didn’t have enough nights in one to give a informed and honest opinion. Have done a second comparison and included it in that one and yep it’s a great swag

[@nordic5490]

Keep swagging mate. Some of us were surveyors all over central Oz, and all of the NT for several years, and pretty much only used a swag every night... but what would we know. The Crashpad has a major deficientcy - the bottom PVC floor is flat, ie it doesnt make a bucket to keep the waterout. PVC isnt absolutely essential - from my experience, a canvas floor can also keep the waterout camped overnight on a dry salt lake, then it rained. Even though there was 1cm of water, the canvas floor did a reasonable (but not perfect) job of keeping the water out. Where the PVC floor joins the canvas is the water ingress vulnerability point - at the joint. Sitting in 1cm of water on a flat lake bed, it is more than likely the Crashpad will leak at that joint. Joints will withstand water running over and off, but generally not full immersion. This is a design fault in the Crashpad. All the other brands have a pvc bucket floot, that generally extends 100mm up the sides, before the join thith the canvas.

[@4x4brothers]

@@nordic5490 you definitely know your stuff mate from experience. Advice from guys like your self is always appreciated too. Sounds like what ever you buy next will definitely be a good thing. Go spend the time looking them over and I’m sure you will pick a winner