Sweden's Completely WORTHLESS Path

Sweden's Completely WORTHLESS Path - HOI4

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Today in Hearts of Iron 4 we are going to be looking at Sweden's focus tree for the first time, but instead of the Monarchist or Democratic paths it's instead going to be one path that doesn't live up to expectations, one path that is completely and utterly worthless.
But we are still going to give this path it's fair chance, we will explore it to it's full potential, from what little works about it to the myriad of issues that drags down to being a tree that personally I feel isn't worth your time.
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@BubblesZest 5 ай бұрын

I should've gotten this so much sooner, but no matter. Here we are now with it done. And tbh the bigger surprise of this is that it won the poll, sure I had no idea who would win but this is not the one I would've bet on.

@ShutUp-l5f 5 ай бұрын

Any path that makes you a puppet should add a game rule that allows you to declare war as a puppet

@koperekhabsburdzki43 5 ай бұрын

Or at least makes option like "ask overlord for war" or some shit

@henriquemachado9941 5 ай бұрын

Or finally make some use of the border conflict mechanic left in the dust in some old focus trees, that could be more fun than just war goals again and again.

@josephhill5453 5 ай бұрын

Honestly expanding the border conflict mechanic would be really cool like honestly most wars in hoi4 are just total war one side died and other annexes them or smthing which is pretty unrealistic and not the most fun to play. Or on the other hand hoi could like implement more of ai surrender (like im pretty sure in kaiseredux if u push out Japan from China and stuff they’ll offer you white peace instead of dedicating millions of men into a lost cause) and like update the conditional surrender mechanic which is like never used

@blknmongl342 5 ай бұрын

@@josephhill5453 To be frank, your comment made me realize Hoi4 needs more types of war, outside of Total War.

@juanmanuelfariasmarroncell2514 5 ай бұрын

@@josephhill5453 Conditional surrender is useless bc the way the distribution of war score is done greatly benefits the side that won. Giving a conditional surrender that will absolutely destroy you like if you had been totally defeated is pointless. It should give the defeated side a part of the war score to dispute its own territory, puppets and reparations, in addition to an option to ASK for a conditional surrender, wich the AI would accept if they are in the loosing side, or have a grater enemy.

@Ihatechoosingnames242 5 ай бұрын

Tbh Sweden getting Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck as a general makes no sense because first of all he is incredibly old at this point in time in his 70s and also he has no connection to Scandinavia. They should have given sweden Nikolaus von Falkenhorst who actually planned the invasion of Norway amd was actually a general at the time unlike von Lettow-Vorbeck who hadnt been for 20 years

@eze0430 5 ай бұрын

Not only that, but Lettow-Vorbeck was known to hate the nazis.

@UlulvarCape 5 ай бұрын

It's such a weird choice. I'd feel like Paul von Lettoe Vorbeck should just an exiled general for some country who wants to restore the empire or just align with Germany. Not to be... well, be a general in some puppet of germany

@danielutriabrooks477 5 ай бұрын

He wasn't even a general per se by 1936, only becoming (an honorific) one for the Third Reich in 1938. It feels extremely out of place to have here, and it isn't as if Germany lacks generals by this point in time

@efftohd 5 ай бұрын

Personally, I don't think paths where you voluntarily become a puppet are a bad idea, it's just that Paradox keeps doing them inconsistently, which results in poor execution each time. The Shared Pro-Soviet Baltic Path has the benefit of being able to manipulate the Soviet AI into attacking people on your behalf, this particular concept is interesting to me, it gets around the restrictions of being a puppet. The Pro-Soviet Path for Poland has some considerable benefits, such as a strong national spirit, free cores on Eastern German territories and the option restore your old Eastern border, all at a relatively low cost, all alongside a regular option to break free. I think that's what it boils down to above all else, paths that require you to become a puppet should grant a large amount of beneficial things in the early stages of the game, the ability to bypass the typical restrictions of being a puppet by leveraging your master's strength to bully your neighbours, powerful national spirits, large industrial investments from your overlord, all within a short time-span. The most important thing being to retain the option to break free after you've leeched off of your overlord.

@eisbergsyndrom5010 5 ай бұрын

The only thing this path does is allow you to join the axis. Because when you go fascist with the counterrevolution Germany will have sTRatEgIC rEASonS to not ally you. It makes sense for Poland but there's nothing that makes refusing Swedish entry into the Axis strategically sound.

@UlulvarCape 5 ай бұрын

Hold on, why not? What's the issue with fascist Sweden joining the axis? Sweden would be an insanely useful ally for Germany so why not?

@danielutriabrooks477 5 ай бұрын

@@UlulvarCapeBecause Paradox said so (and maybe because doing so could spark an early WW2 do to world tension and guarantees shenanigans, but it isn't as if that matters taking into account that nationalist Spain can just attack Gibraltar and do the same)

@snowyboi11 5 ай бұрын

PoV: You tell Bubbles to find a country path thats worse than New Zealand's entire focus tree.

@Thedefenses 5 ай бұрын

I think there could be a point to this tree, if paradox made it a bit different. First of all, make the war goal just a war declaration so you can take Finland and change "Promote Nordic Identity" and "Reichsprotectorate Nordland" so if you do them both, germany lets you annex and take all of Norway´s and Denmark´s lands so you can form the Nordic League. Currently if you do "Promote Nordic Identity" it gives you claims and transfers all the claimed territory to Sweden if its controlled by Germany, but as Denmark and Norway become German puppets its mostly meaningless added effect. "The New Order" is mostly fine, its the classic "you were a puppet and then declared independence" focus, nothing really special to it, maybe make it so if Norway and Denmark are German puppets and you also do "Towards a Swedish Rike" and "Promote Nordic Identity" the allies will allow you to take over those lands and form the Nordic League that way.

@huni1939 5 ай бұрын

To be fair, any Paths that include becoming a Puppet of another nation is usually worthless

@BubblesZest 5 ай бұрын

And yet pdx continues to make em, you think they'd try something else by now!

@doctorwhat779 5 ай бұрын

It is makes sense if that nation has to survive between major powers. Like I played as Soviet puppet Poland a few days ago and it was actually fun

@ramiro8226 5 ай бұрын

@@BubblesZest But the AI do the paths in non historical. There are paths that were made for the AI. With all democratic paths we should declare wars if all the paths were made for the human players

@koperekhabsburdzki43 5 ай бұрын

Truth be told I can think of only 2 puppet paths that are okey: Dominion of Canada (I cheat since it dosnet make you a puppet, you just staying as it) and Soviet Poland. Secound one is okey-ish, vecouse as Poland its gives you realy powerfully protection against Germany, and you retain your most valuable industry states (yet it annoying to lose oil from Ukraine states) so its good like training's wheels... yet I belive democraric Morges Packt make France more likely to help you as well.

@allisongretsinger322 5 ай бұрын

@@ramiro8226 I unironically like most countries' democratic paths.

@Laza10426 5 ай бұрын

I like in this tree that you can white peace the Allies. Polish version of the tree is lacking it.

@koperekhabsburdzki43 5 ай бұрын

Yea, its realy should have been in eny "lets be a puppet" tree when there is a focus for independence without civil war. Point for Sweden I guess

@legaullonapoleonien8760 5 ай бұрын

I don't mind playing puppets if you get a unique benefice out of it like Poland or the Baltic ones. It's a really way to play the game IF and only IF you get something that : 1. useful (not claims but cores, like coring Finland or good national spirit) 2. ACTUALLY works

@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes 5 ай бұрын

I feel like something people forget is that some focus paths have to be bad/uninteresting because not every single AI country on earth can be engaging in wacky hijinks at all times/there needs to be paths for the AI to respond to the player doing alt-history paths.

@thethirdsicily4802 5 ай бұрын

I feel like for any puppet path to be worth it, you really need to... I guess feel like you're sort of playing the overlord country-lite. A buddy of mine made a mod for personal use that adds stuff to the submission path for Ethiopia which gives you more Italian stuff and even gives you the ability to get the Italian East Africa leader as the leader of your country. In a lot of these you don't feel like Reichsprotektorate Nordland or for Poland, the Generalgouvernment, you just feel like worse Sweden or Poland.

@koperekhabsburdzki43 5 ай бұрын

15:15 truth be told... its not good roleplay either, thing is Sweden isn't realy good country to have "let's be a puppet of Germany!" tree: i can see a two fascist trees "one for axis, and one for our true faction" but puppet Sweden, neutral quite-powerfull country its just not good for it.

@broccolilord1148 5 ай бұрын

7:40 if you like these paths, I would recommend you to check out the fascist Czechoslovakia path, where after giving the germans the sudetenland with all the land forts (for no benefits), you can choose to become a puppet of the German Reich.

@BubblesZest 5 ай бұрын

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@JamesSmith-cd6rf Ай бұрын

Cores and claims arent enough for me to like a path. i often try to make my entire world through commands and focus choices do things that normally dont ever occur, and i often like the worlds where everybody fights and nobody really expands

@vahlen5281 5 ай бұрын

Ideally, puppet paths should be designed so that they offer minor nations an immersive, and fun way to participate in WW2, while still keeping it believable. I'd definitely prefer such an approach over PXD current strategy, where they completely overtune inconsequential nations to the point where they can solo all three major factions.

@baroku94 5 ай бұрын

How about a guide for the Nordics, for the most op paths? Or even the best achievements paths? I'd love to see that!

@edspace. 5 ай бұрын

I wonder whether they could add a mechanic which allows you to core land you have a claim on if you take it. I think something like that exists in EU IV.

@atshendrik 5 ай бұрын

The trees are meant for non-historical AI and not for us to play. It is the only logical explanation.

@Ciaranion 5 ай бұрын

Then don't sell it for people as part of a DLC. add it for free if it's just for AI.

@danielutriabrooks477 5 ай бұрын

@@CiaranionOr better yet, just make it an event chain that triggers around an specific date. You could have a focus/decision in the german focus tree that starts this, and just let it happen on its own, some mods do this for countries that have not content yet but are important to the experience, TNO being the main example

@Regarded69 3 ай бұрын

I feel like this path would be fine for a multiplayer game where each faction works together and its not about every nations induvidual goals. The problem is just that every multiplayer ruleset bans Sweden...

@DragonMasterRH 3 ай бұрын

This path is really good with a competent Germany player

@endzor 5 ай бұрын

You can get captain of industry as ur leader if h choose chaos in parlament in the first decision

@magnus4945 5 ай бұрын

the path is good in MP games if sweden is going to be part of the axis

@UlulvarCape 5 ай бұрын

Its frustrating that the nordic fascist paths with the exclusion of finland absolutely has a terrible fascist tree. Yeah whats even the point of all of them when the monarchist paths for each are just copies or outright better?

@brucesim2003 2 ай бұрын

In other words it's just filler. And the devs basically admit it.

@Jo-Heike 5 ай бұрын

Actually you can do the putch without doing any of the decisions, you just have to change radio stations, and enact some right wing policies form the civic focuses. It takes a little longer, but the focuses you have access to are significantly better and you're not a German poppet, even if the free heavy tank division is nice (although I question how that happened).

@theprinceofawesomeness 4 ай бұрын

as a Swedish persion i was so disappointed with the Monarchist and Fascist branches, sweden was just historically supper Socialistic so i feel paradox only put those two branches on the backburner, however sweden did impliment german ideas at the time, i belive there was more to grab on to than Paradox would want to admit

@thefarmking9924 Ай бұрын

Is nt paradox a Swedish company

@theprinceofawesomeness Ай бұрын

@@thefarmking9924 yes, i belive they are. I think they are originally swedish but on top of my head they have a studio in finland as well, but Paradox is more of a publisher now days