Sweden's U-Turn on Trans Kids: The Trans Train (Part 1): The New Patient Group & Regretters

The Trans Train (Part 1): The New Patient Group & Regretters
The Trans Train (Part 2): Other Issues, Talk Therapy and Suicidality - • Sweden's U-Turn on Tra...
The Trans Train (Part 3): Regret, Reassessment & Policy Reversal - • Sweden's U-Turn on Tra...
The Trans Train (Part 4): Puberty Blockers, Complications and Consent - • Sweden's U-Turn on Tra...
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The Trans Train Part 1- Aired 03/04/2019
Original Source: www.svtplay.se...
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In May of 2021 Sweden announced a change of their policy regarding the medical and surgical transition of children. The change came in the wake of several bombshell documentaries which explored the issue of medicalization of children experiencing gender dysphoria in Sweden and Europe.
The controversial documentary series examined the evidence base of the protocols, the ethics of treating children who cannot consent and the degree of oversight and accountability that clinics held for their patients.
The english speaking world isn't aware of much of what the documentaries uncovered because of the language barrier, as the films are mostly in Swedish. English captions have been made available and for the first time the films are presented here with english voiceover to make them more accessible.
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This transition protocol for children based on "The Dutch Study" had previously been used by clinics in Sweden since around 2014 to start children on puberty blockers leading to cross-sex hormones and surgery.
The "Dutch Study" was originally designed with strict criteria for inclusion which were not being applied to the exploding population of mostly young women who were starting to seek treatment for dysphoria. As such, most patients being put on this "trans train" of affirmation and medicalization were a different population group than those studied in the original Dutch protocol.
As a result, the issues of regret and detransition began to be come more common as people for whom the Dutch Protocol was not designed for started to see that medical and surgical transition did not solve their issues.
When these stories started to leak out, the Swedish investigative journalists at "Mission: Investigate" started talking with regretters and detransitioners and approached the hospitals and clinics who were treating young people at the time to figure out what was going on. Over the next several years subsequent episodes of Mission: Investigate explored other aspects of the modern discourse about the medical treatment of gender dysphoria. The revelations of this series were eventually led to the national health system in Sweden reviewing their protocols and issuing an official policy halting the implementation of the Dutch protocol in treating children with gender dysphoria.

[@hyacinthlynch843]

There was a time when the "experts" claimed that lobotomies were highly beneficial. I see a similar pattern here.

[@annabell3385]

And smoking made your lungs strong. Thalidomide was good for pregnant women. There are so many horror stories and yet people think things have changed.

[@mylesleggette7520]

I've always found it fascinating how people can simultaneously denigrate science as a Eurocentric imperial institution of which the primary purpose has historically been to oppress *and* hold up science as the only and ultimate determiner of objective truth and fact, to the point that anyone who disagrees with or distrusts its conclusions is ignorant to the point of monstrous evil.

[@animalswin2105]

Funnily enough I only see one out of thé two replies to the comment, I only see Anna Bell reply .

[@TipTheScales27]

Except the patients are asking for it

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

Fun fact: the first country to make lobotomy illegal was Stalinist Russia in 1950. Today, Sweden and the US are the only countries where it's still legal.

[@metorphoric]

My sister suffers from horrible menstrual periods. Excruciating pains that can be nearly paralyzing. At 25 years old, no Dr. would perform as hysterectomy on her but if she wanted to transition, she would have no problem getting hormone therapy. What a sick world we live in.

[@ozgurturna]

I would not call it no problem. It takes years and tens of thousands of dollars, and visits to various specialists, that are booked 2 years in advance.

[@theCosmicQueen]

stupid doctors if they have no answers for her pain. because other Dr's do have answers and it doesn't involve hysterectomy.

[@rpmcmurphey927]

If she's on brth control, that could be the main culprit of her cycles being horrendous

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@K Moss Has she had any investigative surgery, a laparoscopy, to see if she has endometriosis as this is a common cause of extremely painful periods and all too often GPs just send you away and do not follow up. It might take a change of GP to get them to refer her, but it's worth it if it reveals any other underlying condition that might be helped and removed by surgery or managed via an array or hormone treatments that inhibit the growth of uterine lining material both in the uterus and if there are any areas outside the uterus. Of course it might be something else or just plain very unlucky, but it is worth pushing to get a diagnosis of an underlying causes, especially as endometriosis can also cause cysts and infertility. I really hope her situation and pain improve.

[@StarCoded]

Your sister could consult a registered Homeopath, or Naturopath, or Herbalist.

[@Rebornation0712]

American mom here. My daughter started saying she was trans at 14. She wanted to go on hormones and even explore surgery. We told her absolutely no. That if she still wanted that as an adult we would stand by her, but it was not going to happen as a child. End of discussion. We started looking more into what was behind this. Her newest bff was claiming to be trans, who was also schizophrenic. She/he was severely influencing my daughter’s thoughts and desires. We were planning to move about a year later and her friend started telling her they should kill us so she wouldn’t have to move. That was it. We put a stop to that crap and separated them. My daughter is now 23 and stopped talking about transitioning right after we put an end to that friendship! She is still a tomboy but that’s fine. She doesn’t have to be like every other girl or any other girl. Just bc she is different doesn’t mean she is broken, damaged or “trans”! She is perfect as the masculine girl she is!

[@livKail3abe]

🥹 thank GOD she has a mama like you!

[@Scoomzzz]

Thank goodness for you. Im glad you didn't look at it as a payday and your way to get noticed.​@@livKail3abe

[@feather6508]

I’ve also been in contact with a self identifying trans person, at first I whas ok with it... until I saw HIS dark side... very manipulatif... never saw where he whas wrong... a lot off narcistic behavior.. lack of empathy.. People had to be special to be his friend and otherwise he treated them like sh*t. He tried to use me so I could pay his depts and when i refused he damaged my stuff on purpose by trowing bleach on it. Also very psychotic the last time I saw him and he told me he hated kids. I think he found a way to get whatever he wants by telling people he is trans and depressed by that.. but reality is he just want things his way without any efford on his side and thats all. It’s sad...

[@tOxIc_TrEaSuRe]

To all the detransitioners that have gone public - THANK YOU FOR YOUR BRAVERY

[@87clits]

No bravery they were the ones who wanted to go through the transition in the first place they aren't heroes. They made a very bad decision and now have to live with it.

[@tOxIc_TrEaSuRe]

@@87clits you don't think it's brave to come out and admit that level of mistake ?

[@trolleriffic]

@@87clits They were extremely vulnerable people who in many cases were dealing with serious mental health issues and/or victims of abuse, who were completely let down and mislead by medical professionals who lied to them and encouraged them down a path that caused them immense harm. Yes, they may have made bad decisions, but if a doctor is telling you that you should get a particular treatment to solve your problem are you necessarily going to argue with that when you're not the expert?

[@spiritisalive1]

A lot of these were minors, encouraged by adults. ADULTS.👀

[@TheFiown]

The 'terrible feeling of not belonging in one's own body' is also called being a teenager, these 'conditions' should not be confused with each other.

[@gertibell]

Exactly. Every teen has those feelings. That they are convincing anyone it can be "fixed" by changing sexes is criminal. The only fixing it needs is growing into your mature brain & body.

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

Being a teenager isn't supposed to involve any terrible feelings. Please stop spreading this saccharine thought-terminating Western cultural myth.

[@zeenuf00]

@@MargaritaMagdalena seriously, everything's a friggin' trauma now 😆

[@1236y]

totally true. I remember feeling awkward as well but never thinking I should be the other gender. these young people are being taken advantage of, for financial gains.

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

@@zeenuf00 Right? Everything is a drama in the 21st century. 😑

[@Mansplaner63]

ROGD mom here. My daughter decided she was a boy suddenly after she met someone else who was presenting as male. The school was awful. They are crazy, they don’t listen! I didn’t affirm we had to move. She is all better! She is thankful that I’m her mom and I fought for the and I always will ❤

[@thinkingoutloud7425]

Great news....well done...

[@finallythere100]

She has YOU to thank. . This is part of the REAL battle of good vs evil coming from the top.

[@sjam1159]

@Emilesmom Great mom! So happy for your daughter!

[@charlenehansen8633]

amazing Mom God Bless you for your strength and courage to orotect your daughter

[@EmiraXX]

@Emilesmom are you in the USA?

[@petalblossom96]

1) Keep your kids off social media, people. It DESTROYS LIVES. 2) Don't be afraid to be parents; YOU determine what's best for your kids NOT YOUR KIDS.

[@annabelle3510]

Absolutely! They even promote gender ideology on KZbin Kids app. No internet place is safe for kids anymore.

[@keithdevereux4046]

another repercussion of the feminist movement...

[@EmmaMG21]

It’s also pushed in schools now. :(

[@petalblossom96]

@@EmmaMG21 I know. Demonic and disgusting.

[@sia9907]

Preach. Nobody under 16 should be allowed online unsupervised. Smartphones are cursed.

[@katiejon17]

For years I worked as a middle school nurse. Ever single student that now calls themselves “trans” has childhood trauma. Almost always it has been sexual trauma. The fact that adult “experts” know this connection (and they do know it), and allow this without speaking out, tells me that they have no conscience.

[@romantic_hippie]

I'm sure that's been the case with the kids you encounter, but you can't deny it's also trendy to say you're trans too. It's a social movement like being emo was in 2008. Some kids are only saying it to be special and for in with the crowd.

[@katiejon17]

@@romantic_hippie you are absolutely correct. But the most vulnerable kids, the ones with traumatic sexual histories, are the ones who are trying to find a way to escape. They’re the ones who are more likely to rapidly go on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, and have the mutilating surgeries. The “transtrenders” will more than likely play the pronoun game and “socially” transition - without meds and surgeries. The kids I worked with who are now “trans” have been abused and used by everyone.

[@liviacoelho8679]

Well, there's a huge haressment agains the professionals who are speaking out. Academic persecution. Male identifying trans making rape threats agains feminist women inside the Universities... it's hell.

[@katiejon17]

@@liviacoelho8679 ...proof that they have no conscience. And are absolute cowards.

[@susanhealy6524]

​@katiejon17 it's so sad. They are being abused twice. Their vulnerability is being taken advantage of. It's criminal. 😢

[@marksutton5540]

I was once young and can remember how much I hated my appearance. Now when I look at old pictures I see I had a good looking rock star face, body and fabulous hair. Youth can get it so wrong when they self evaluate.

[@dodieodie498]

I think back to when having a pimple was a nightmare and made me want to stay home from school. LOL My brother made a comment about my nose one day, and it made me very self conscious for many years after. I even considered rhinoplasty. From ONE comment! So sad that young people go through such a stage where they are so paranoid and unsure of themselves, and that there are vultures waiting to take advantage of that weakness during a vulnerable time in life.

[@annereidy7981]

Yes!

[@cyberfunk3793]

Being insecure about once appearance has next to nothing to do with the feeling of belonging in a body of the opposite sex. Probably almost all people are insecure about something about the way they look at some point in their lives, but they don't feel if they could change anything they like, they would want to change their gender. Totally different things.

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@dodieodie498 So when you were feeling insecure about pimples, did you feel you wanted to be the opposite gender? Totally different things, don't talk nonsense. You would rather have the 98% suffer because of the 2% and prevent the "vultures" from helping people? What if preventing that treatment would lead to more suicides, you would be ok with that?

[@wplains]

@@cyberfunk3793 I think you missed the point of what she was trying to say. She meant kids at that age are all insecure and don’t know how to deal with their feelings. They have no idea what they want. Treating and mutilating them at such a young age is child abuse.

[@Miwu]

What she said at 17:40 almost made me break into tears. BECAUSE it's the patient that has to live in their body, not you, is exactly why you need to do better and say no sometimes. Everyone, absolutely everyone was so eager to affirm my delusional thoughts while I was suffering from several mental health problems, and I'm a detransitioner now. Please don't be afraid to get to the bottom of the patient's desire to transition. Please don't be afraid to be seen as mean. You might save them from a lifetime of regret.

[@LightLivingEst80]

It's that way because of Political correctness thats the true plague

[@annas4843]

And nobody felt the need to affirm my belief that I needed to lose weight when I was going through anorexia… I have to say the docs didn’t say it in my face, but played it very well to show me what they see when they look at me and what my future might look like. That shattered my view, it took time but I started seeing what I couldn’t see before.. Maybe that will change too as well, in order not hurt feelings you need to affirm teens in distress that they are indeed fat and should stop eating at all…

[@OceanSwimmer]

@Miwu, I am grateful you have shared your story. It is indeed unfortunate that social pressures and lack of insight, or rather, lack of trust in Nature created a need to control or meddle in other people's lives. Someone once told me, "beliefs change" --- as I began my journey out of depression 30 years ago. Modern trends towards unnecessary intervention have led some to make terrible decisions. The belief that changing one's body to heal the insecurities and desire to cure fears of being "different" is shallow thinking. It's all in the mind. God help us if we cut that up, too!

[@amandavieira2543]

Funny, mine was the oposite, I needed transition and was denied.

[@Redcloudsrocks]

The issue is, A lot of people these days will hear you say no and then spread your name on the internet for you to lose your livelihood and reputation and have stalkers go after your family. It's not that people don't want to be honest, they're not allowed to

[@taylorlaing294]

ROGD mum here from UK. My daughter came out suddenly as a “gay man” at 11, shortly after a sexual assault. She is now 14 and after a year of affirming her, followed by me peaking after doing research. She’s now under a sexual violence therapist and has just desisted. I’m so thankful I didn’t continue to listen to the so called “experts” who were pushing me to medicalise my daughter. She will now grow up in one piece and be able to have children of her own someday. It was a lucky escape because so many awful people are in the cult, including drs, teachers and lots of kids!

[@chrisfrancis9555]

Exactly well put 👏

[@Bebe777333]

Excellent! God bless!

[@Hargsehm]

So many are unaware of the evil in our mist to control & ruin people at all cost especially with drugs including birth control & chemicals in our water.

[@MikeSmith-tu1ln]

Thank god !

[@Mansplaner63]

We are the mothers and we actually know our kids!!! I’m so happy for you ❤️

[@tulangkerangka1599]

It took me near 13 goddamn years since i started menstruating when i was 12 to actually like being a woman. These poor teenagers never stood a chance.

[@hils1015]

I share your sentiment. I hated the fact I had to menstruate. I hated being a girl, I hated having hips and breasts, I hated how big they were and how that suddenly made grown men old enough to be my dad or grandfather ogle at me and throw the vilest comments at me as I was minding my business hanging out with my friends at the mall. I was sexually abused when I was 17 which only fuelled my hatred for being female even further. I developed anorexia because I wanted to be as flat as a board and look boyish. I wanted to make my breasts and hips vanish so I would be invisible to those men who were saying vile things to me and the men who literally followed me as I walked home from school dressed in my school uniform. These men had no morality at all, they could clearly see I was a child, but they still followed me in their cars and kept telling me to get in or they followed me on foot. It was so scary being a girl, I was always scared I was going to be raped due to all these despicable behaviours from those men. I had a baby face and I still do at age 33. Bus drivers automatically issue me a child ticket because they think I'm a child. I had issues and I needed mental health help and I was lucky that I received it. I was fortunate that transgenderism was not a thing at that time, I might have been convinced that the reason I hated being a girl was because I was really a boy just in the wrong body. It's really scary being a child in this crazy day and age in which mutilating your body is seen as normal and encouraged by professionals.

[@livKail3abe]

Same, I was such a tom boy until 9th grade. They would have transitioned me for sure 😢

[@borabora324]

I still don’t like it sometimes….😅

[@smithy356]

When the lawsuits start, I hope the medical experts/professionals involved, are all held to account.

[@serantower3537]

And oh boy are they starting 👍🏻...in the states ofcourse, but the suings are FINALLY starting. The push back is real and it's coming. Crossing fingers that this FITH syndrome that's overtaken the western world will finally start to be exposed for the insane money making scam it's become and are shamed back under control and they pay for what they've done to so many children. Breaks my heart.

[@robertwilber1909]

Ought to be executions, not lawsuits. I see no difference between them and Josef Mengele.

[@ChaplainDeanna]

We need Nuremberg trials for these butchers.

[@gun30t]

And they will start.

[@wendylpa]

Bingo! This nonsense won’t end until the lawsuits shut them down. Follow the dollar.

[@momijiyamanishi4548]

I love being a woman. 63 years old. My mom died when I was ten and I moved in with my dad who had a huge farm. I rode horses and shot guns. I fell fir trees, I still use a chainsaw. I'm still a woman. These girls should have that type of an opportunity to be a big fat tomboy and enjoy every bit of it.

[@theCosmicQueen]

Exactly! and guys can wear kilts, kaftans, anything almost, and still be manly.

[@bereal6590]

You've got it. It's society and the way it evaluates mean esp women and how they should look and be that's pushing the dysphoria. Effeminate men aren't appreciated as mean more masculine women aren't appreciated for who are. If we removed gender 'norms', things would be a hell of a lot better and ppl could just be themselves. Then if they want to go trans route people would be sure ✌

[@7eyesopenwide168]

What an awesome experience to live on a farm.

[@MsMesem]

@@bereal6590 Ever heard "Are you a gay man or European?" Anglo society tends to suppress the feminine side of men.

[@bereal6590]

@@MsMesem I haven't but yes I think a lot of societies in fact see men who suppress anything remotely 'feminine' as weak. Totally bull. I think it's because those societies view gay men as feminine BUT ID argue what is feminine in that instance. Those societies see feminine as histrionic and therefore men displaying softer traits are feminine. In essence it devalues both men and women in my opinion by holding macho aggression as the definitive of manliness. Personally I think it's a toxic view of knuckle draggers

[@loftyradish6972]

I love how the "evaluation" always ends in the same answer. If the answer is always the same, it isn't an evaluation.

[@danwatts9537]

It's almost as if they know that if they send the person away then they cannot make money from them.

[@emmajane646]

It's called 'rubber stamping' or as the political parties call it 'demedicalising and streamlining'

[@SunnyGirlFlorida]

Just a checkmark to say they did it.

[@spaceknight793]

@@emmajane646 we used to call this "jumping to conclusions."

[@mlokole254]

​@@spaceknight793 😂😂😂funny, not funny, but true! Sadly!!

[@melfreemans]

My niece is in her mid 20s. She said 10 years ago it was cool to be into cutting/self harm. Now she says it's cool to be trans. My 13 year old niece told me she was gay and trans last year. This year she has a boyfriend and she's a girl again. I'm over this bullshit. But just wait for the huge influx of medical malpractice lawsuits against these doctors when these kids grow up and realize what's been done to them.

[@jeffgile2921]

You are so right

[@group555_]

Hmm, I wonder what thing could have made her selfharm. If only she had something that is known to cause such issues if not helped. Something like being trans where it has been shown many times. "My sisters used to selfharm till she figured herself out and realised she is trans and is doing better now" is not exactly damming for advocating trans healthcare

[@trolleriffic]

@@group555_ People self harm for all kinds of reasons, and the comment doesn't say that the niece in her mid-20s self-harmed or ever said that she was trans. That niece said that both things were cool, and a different 13 year old niece had previously claimed to be gay and trans when she was 12 but now has a boyfriend and says she's a girl. Reading comprehension is important and nothing that poster said could be interpreted as advocating for kids to receive puberty blockers, hormone treatments or undergo surgery - quite the opposite in fact.

[@livKail3abe]

@americasmomloveeveryonenoe7517kids who transitioned are already coming out saying they were lied to and used. 😢

[@iBeckiex]

this is terrifying. how can they expect a 16 year old let alone a 14 year old girl to make such a life altering decision, they hardly know who they are at that age. how infuriating.

[@marisamartin3664]

They don't -they know the harm and injustice they are doing to children. It increases their numbers and makes them feel better- the only thing that matters to LGBT crusader/pimps.

[@j.2512]

the woke mob are child abusers and they are making billions butchering kids.

[@chrishanson1631]

The children are not making these decisions. Their Ideological and misguided therapists, greedy doctors and surgeons, and manipulated parents are making those decisions.

[@skumflum3768]

When this insanity started to spread, especially to girls, I thought two things: 1. This is social contagion, and 2. This is one of those things a future president or head of government will apologize for.

[@Meskarune]

14 year olds are forced to give birth in the US...

[@nefarioussagittarius8906]

Not that the the 90s (or any time period) was perfect but I'm horrified at what online culture has done to young people. Growing up a 'tomboy' with untreated ADHD and as gullible as I was, it would have been easy to brainwash me if adults and peers had started putting into my head 'these uncomfortable feelings of not fitting in is because you are really boy'. A lot of times I did feel like a space alien. But that was not because I was in the wrong body. It was because of the way people treated me. As an adult, I realize that I have never disliked or hated being a woman. What I hated was the way the world interacted with me based on my gender. I'm so glad I did not get caught up in this mess. To be honest, I still don't like the way this world treats women. But becoming a man isn't going to solve that.

[@Siroitin]

You are right but people want to fill the conversation with politics. "This is because of wokeism, degeneration, (((nosy people)))" If people are repeating, "you are bad because women can't behave like that", "you are ugly because women can't look like that." It is understandable you think all this hatred is because you are a woman. The real problem is people treat you like a garbage but it is hard to realize when all people are saying you are this or that because you are woman. Nowadays if someone wants to claim I'm a communist I will briefly correct but if the other person doesn't believe me I just say: "Ok, let's agree I am a communist" and it usually puts the other party off-guard because he/she knows I'm not really that.

[@mindverse8972]

Thanks for sharing your story. As i man i can surely tell you that changing to a man wouldn't of solved anything because men are also treated like shit. In fact they're treated more worse. In 2019, in the US 80% of suicides were men and 20% woman.

[@DivineLightPaladin]

I developed gender dysphoria in the early 90s from real life and internet experiences. I have never been comfortable with it understood what it is being female or a woman and tried to transition only to feel the same but less awful with being male, too many social constraints. I am most comfortable nonbinary now, but I agree with you.

[@herzl67]

Women and men are born to complete each other and cooperate. Hating men is as bad as hating women. Both are capable of great evil.

[@nefarioussagittarius8906]

@@herzl67 someone should tell the men. They don’t seem to remember.

[@Upioornica]

I had terrible body dysmorphia when I was a teenager, to the point where I couldn't recognize myself in the mirror and dissociated very often. I always said that I didn't primarily feel like a girl or a boy, but a human being, but even that was sometimes hard. Sometimes I would compare myself to glass or water. I couldn't imagine ever feeling just normal. Long story short, I grew up to be a very normal woman.

[@Padraigp]

I never had dismorphia ...oh except when somone broke my nose i felt like it wasnt me in the mirror... but i have never felt like anything other than me. I dont even think of me as human just as me. If i was a dog tomorrow id be me. If i was a eirm id be me. I cant understand a cis woman idnetifying as a woman let alone a man identifying as a woman. So its all over my head. I mean realistically a man in a mans body has all the same nerve endings as a woman. Just mapped onto a different shaped outside. A dog too. Maybe not a worm...bjt a leg is a leg ...a sex organ is a sex organ whatever shahpe it is is feels the same. So it se.eems to be like the image in the mirror is NOT you. And thats why it doesnt seem like you. Cos its not you. Its a lot of loght on a metal surface with glass over it. Its just glass... not you. You are you. Even if there is no mirror. If you lose your leg youre still you if you lose your memeory your still you if you go blind still you in a coma with no arms and no legs still you. We are just driving around in these vehicles of meat and skin which are part of us ..like a handbag it doesnt matter if its pink or blue it matters whats inside right. Are wee the crazy aliens now? I thought this was just sane.

[@karenhunter3113]

As a teen I thought I was fat. I was not. I ate less and less because I was so sure I was fat. Imagine if I went to a doctor who agreed to put me on a further restricted diet and staple my stomach. They would have been altering my body to match what was in my head. This is no different. Luckily for me, back then doctors and psychologist knew enough to say the problem is with your mind, not your body.

[@MrCmon113]

So do you still think you are fat? Or did they electroshock you into not thinking you're fat? Or what?

[@sergeilvigil7700]

good argument👍

[@susanatkinson3978]

I too felt fat as a teen and early 20z but when I look at those pictures now, I realize I wasn't. I'd LOVE to be that size now!!!😂

[@OM-or3im]

Great analogy

[@Sooner-im9qf]

Exactly. The problem is with the mind, not the body.

[@WisdomThumbs]

I chose to pursue transition after considering it for years in high school... Because porn introduced me to it. I was part of the online cult that spread propaganda through captioned memes and porn. And I almost went through with it in the end. The only thing that turned my life around was overpowering my dad when he attacked me, then non-violently getting him to back down and apologize using only my words. Then I was taken in by a different family to work for food and board, and learned to be a man again. That helped me realize the truth of the matter: surgery wasn't going to help the person I was inside, only destroy my physical body and chain me to a subscription-based medical hormone system. I had to grow up, back the hell away, and make peace with the fact that I *am* a man and can't change that basic fact no matter what I do. Escaping gender ideology and returning to XX/XY biology is what solved my mental health crisis. Profiteers and manipulating fetishists are brainwashing kids, and I'm one of the few who escaped. I thank God for that.

[@ellentuthill1800]

I know I don't know you, but as a mom of two teenage boys, can I say I'm very very proud of you? YOU are a man. Thank you for standing up, speaking truth, and walking out your purpose in this life. God bless you and keep you from anymore harm. 🙏

[@ellentuthill1800]

@@WisdomThumbs Thank you, I will look at those! I have seen the Walsh documentary. 😉 Extremely well done, I think.

[@MountainGoddess314]

Thank you so much for telling your story, my good friend is detransitioning & is getting so much hate but he's doing so well & gaining traction & support. If you would like to look him up, his name is Abel Garcia (you can find him on KZbin)

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Porn is so evil in every single way

[@AbiNomac]

This is the best explanation of common sense I’ve heard/read on this subject. Now you are free.

[@Foof0811]

This video should have millions of views. Not a sensationalized or dramatized, politically motivated pander piece, but instead a calm and level discussion - this is the kind of content people should flock to

[@jcimsn8464]

Let's all share it

[@vpxtrailers9395]

Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Instead of learning from this, we are emulating it.

[@bsn1009]

I wish I could make our school board watch this!!!

[@athenamissinghome619]

This is one of the most heinous things going on in our world at the moment

[@estheressinger7594]

Thank you for saying that!

[@villemononen5303]

The twenty twenty hoax is right up there too.

[@iamtheowl9631]

So they haven't said "no" to a patient in years? Sounds like this is more about giving money to pharmaceutical companies than it is about treatment. Literally disfiguring teenage girls to make money, disgusting.

[@TheFren]

It's so insane, because I really wish this problem was limited to transitions. But here in Germany, we see a general rise in expensive operations that are unnecessary and/or dangerous. And I myself got into an experimental phase of trauma treatment that cost me 3 years of my life, a lot of money and nearly my sanity. Legally there is absolutely nothing you can do. And I am lucky enough that I didn't end up with fucked up heavy medication like other patients I met. Some of it is sheer greed, some of it is anxious "sticking to the rules" ("I only followed orders", sounds familiar?), and some of it is arrogance, like thinking they figured out mental health, when in reality, they no absolutely NOTHING.

[@tomokokurokiirl]

@@TheFrenwhat kind of treatment was it? If you're willing to talk more about it. Were the medication antipsychotics?

[@isabellefaguy7351]

I'm autistic and when I was a teenager, I was very perturbated by my body changing. I absolutely hated having breasts. I also never fitted with the girls, had no common interests with them. Nobody knew I was autistic at the time, people believed at that time that girls couldn't be autistic... If I was a teenager today, I would very much believe the narrative that "becoming a boy will make me feel better". I know for a fact that aging solved my body issues. I learned to live in this new weird body with breasts and menstruations and all that. I learned to be OK with being different from the societal expectation for women. I don't care anymore that people are offended that I keep my hair to 5mm long and that I wear "men's clothing" and that I like engineering, woodworking and many other "men subjects". And that I have mostly male friends. I'm very afraid for the currently young autistic girls. So many will regret when they will understand that changing your body won't solve your feeling of being an outcast or not fitting and so on. If you're autistic, this feeling simply stem from the fact that you're actually different, but not because of your breast, because of your way of sensing (sensory inputs), thinking (reflecting, values, etc.) and feeling (emotions).

[@chubsmckinzy9053]

Perturbed works

[@perugino25]

secure of yourself!!!!! whatever you do, keep on doing it because it is your choice!!!!!

[@concettaworkman5895]

Excellent comment, thank you.

[@DivineLightPaladin]

While I agree with a lot of that, for me as an autistic female, I personally was influenced by strict gender roles influenced by religion and society as well as witnessing how terribly women were treated in real life and in sadly being consistently exposed to adult content at 3 years old.

[@sholahola2kaiinaoii]

Brilliant comment 👏

[@judilyntravis7679]

One of my daughters was a tomboy, then a princess, then a Marine princess, and now a princess. She also battled breast cancer, had a double mastectomy, then diagnosed with nonhodgkins lymphoma, for almost ten years, she has endured chemo, radiation, and surgeries. She is now, as of this year she is considered remission from breast cancer and cured of lymphoma. She is sterile due to chemo, but had a son before here first diagnosis. Thanks be to God for her many blessings. The pain from her surgeries and chemo I would never wish on anyone. Keep your hands off the children.

[@marisamartin3664]

So glad for her healing, may she remain strong with a long life.

[@GumriRN]

God bless you and your very brave daughter. I hope you both have a strong faith that there’s a reason (one we rarely comprehend) for the kind of pain, fear & heartache you’ve both endured. I’ll say a very special prayer for you both RIGHT NOW, that whatever you face, will be faced with a strength that ONLY THE TRIALS YOU’VE ALREADY ENDURED, made you both s such STRONG, EXCEPTIONAL HUMANS. Again, my prayers are with you RIGHT NOW!

[@jimbrown9817]

Semper fidelis, Mom.

[@Empathiclistener]

Why thank a god for your daughter's survival but fail to hold that same god accountable for her suffering in the first place? Also, it was medical knowledge and effort that enabled your daughter to survive. Not so long ago that knowledge didn't exist and survival relying on any god would have been futile. Why not thanks be to the real fellow humans who helped your daughter to survive rather than redirecting your gratitude to an imaginary being?

[@lindsaybrewer664]

What does cancer have to do with being trans?

[@mollyoxy]

I really hope doctors and parents are held accountable for mutilating these kids.

[@mrs.elentz2336]

I go back and forth on parents being held accountable. Just because they’re being asked, “Do you want a dead son or an alive daughter (if “MTF”)??” or vice versa if “FTM” for one. There’s also those parents who have been ARRESTED and lost custody for going AGAINST “transitioning” their child. These parents are obviously completely innocent and should be applauded for their fight. However… there’s some parents who totally push it, know damn well it’s abuse, and have munchausen by proxy (like Jazz Jennings mother in my very unprofessional opinion!!). They should be locked up for life! I also go back and forth because there’s really no excuse this day and age for parents to NOT research before so blindly following these “doctors” who abuse and mutilate children. It’s all so disgusting and sad.

[@frostynight7746]

I really hope so but i think it will take court cases, and most will get off (including all the pols and government agents) :(

[@Slow-Rolling]

God is watching.

[@joen4642]

I don't. I just hope we learn from this. Affirmation can be dangerous and wrong.

[@sadoldgit313]

The fact that they call it “Affirmation” is disturbing! We should not be “affirming” a delusional state, we should be treating it clinically by “assessment” after profound psychiatric evaluation! Instead the toxic compassion demonstrated in the rush to “affirm” means that people will take hasty decisions that they will later regret! There is not enough evidence based research data to know what the outcome of puberty blockers will be on pre-adolescents, we should always err on the side of caution until there is!

[@somebodysomething4242]

I hope some day the doctors who have done this to children stand trial like Nuremberg.

[@meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq]

That is not fair. Those convicted in Nuremburg were Nazis. Those doctors mean well, although they may be wrong.

[@TheFren]

The people in this video defending it sound so much like the "I only followed the orders!" soldiers 70 years ago...

[@AAWT]

The doctor who says "if people don't like their appearance, just let them irreversibly change it if no one objects" is using a type of logic that could justify ANYTHING.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

Many people have their bodies surgically modified in various ways due to intense dissatisfaction, although most of them are no less miserable post operation. It’s almost always the mind that requires the corrective action, and, even then, some problems simply can’t be fixed.

[@tatimiracy]

@@maxc1366 Be careful comparing eye lid fix with body mutilation. I have a mastectomy due to breast cancer and different from people believe, it is NOT a cosmetic one. The removal of a breast from mastectomy CAN'T be reverse. I have an implant and it's ugly, have no Nicole anymore but do the job when you're have clothes on. At least I did have my children and breastfed them.

[@DivineLightPaladin]

In America we let the parents do that and call it circumcision

[@tatimiracy]

@@maxc1366 you can't be comparing removing 2 breasts, or a penis, with an eye lid 🤦🏻‍♀️or any other organ intrusive surgery with an eye lid!

[@isaactuuri6488]

there is an obvious link all the way to genocide in that statement, agreed.

[@sarahsloane3376]

As a woman, I remember what it was like to be a teen-aged girl. It was excruciating. When I was little, I felt strong and genderless. I didn't really think about my gender. It didn't define me. But when I reached puberty, I felt self-conscious and I was treated differently by men and boys. I felt awkward, oddly shaped, and weird. I hated having to deal with periods and bras. Most women I have talked to also went through a traumatic puberty. It's NORMAL. It's the fault of society that women have to feel objectified and inferior. So....I get why so many girls would rather be boys. But is it true gender dysphoria? I believe in most cases it is not. Had I been given a choice as a teen, I might have thought being a boy would be the right thing for me. But it would have been absolutely wrong. I am fine, even happy, as a woman. It's not easy, especially since I work in a man's field and have to deal with the kind of discrimination that engenders. But I am also proud to have been given the opportunity to be a strong, independent woman. I do think men have it easier, but transitioning to a man isn't the answer. The answer lies in changing the world so that women are respected and not objectified.

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

Puberty is only dramatic for people in post-WW2 consumer societies. People here are self-centered and weak, which makes everything dramatic.

[@sarahsloane3376]

@@MargaritaMagdalena That's irrelevant. It is what it is. We segregate people by age and that's not natural. People naturally live in mixed-age communities and adolescents are far more influenced by adults and care for children. But that's not what happens today. Unfortunately.

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

@@sarahsloane3376 No, it's not natural, it's cultural.

[@SunnyGirlFlorida]

I have never in my life felt like anyone made me feel inferior because I am a female, that's your experience or perception.

[@winifredherman4214]

@@MargaritaMagdalena -What culture causes this dysphoria?

[@Stephanie-lg1cm]

There will come a time when these doctors and other health care professionals will be sued and imprisoned for assault.

[@moif_velocita]

If that were true then the many surgeons who have butchered intersex children for decades would have long since made to answer for what they did The truth is, no one really cares about children. They are always sacrificed on the alter of adult agendas - much like the people in this comment section are doing to trans kids. You don't care about us, you only care about yourself

[@syndieouellet2763]

you realise our laws are pushing more and more for this right? like here in canada anyway

[@ArtistGV]

Any female, myself included, who was a big time tomboy growing up (sports, wrestling, cars, etc.) is more than alarmed by this. I had more common interests with boys. Had I been a tween or young teen tomboy in today's social atmosphere, I would be encouraged to a very different outcome. The social pressure these days on the very young is intense and even more so through the power of the internet.

[@emese-tundetorok1135]

Same here! Now I'm more feminine but still have some tomboy in me. I still love fixing cars and be around man talk to them. I somehow get along better with mans.

[@sonya9183]

Same thing with me

[@mannie7028]

My take on this issue is that puberty causes huge emotional ups and downs. Myself included. However, because of social and media pressure, teens are now being literally forced into life changing decisions. With me, it took 3 years to naturally outgrow being a tomboy and accept I was a girl. This process thankfully did not involve doctors, or I would not now be the girl I was born as.

[@MsBiggles51]

Exactly the same here.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Doctors are not pushing tomboys to transition.

[@theozchannel6253]

@@zacheryeckard3051 you are NOT paying attention, yes they are 100%

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@theozchannel6253 That's a strong claim. Where's the evidence?

[@jessbarnes8521]

@@zacheryeckard3051 i realise this isn’t a direct response to your question, but a Louis Theroux documentary showing a child’s transition from living as a boy to a girl contained a very flimsy psychological assessment of the young child.

[@Maliceless100]

I salute Sametti; a revolution is started by the conviction of one courageous truth teller. She seems lonely, and I hope this documentary brings her a lot of new friends and supporters. We should all help this documentary find a wider audience.

[@texastea5686]

I had no idea if Sametti was male or female.... my heart broke when , in one of the scenes, she's sitting alone on her birthday at a restaurant.

[@cesium7907]

Sametti is also one of the founding members of a new organization in Finland for gays, lesbians and bisexuals, who critisize transgenderism.

[@toffy1952]

What struck me was that woman had no idea why the numbers had increased so dramatically and didn't appear to care enough to find out.

[@TipTheScales27]

Right! Like I could tell you. Men get treated a lot better by society. Turning into a man protects you

[@DivineLightPaladin]

@@TipTheScales27 THIS. We're tired of being treated like a talking flesh light that just annoys the "other people" with our words and feelings. We want to be seen as human and man is the default human that is treated fairly. If one hasn't experienced this, being treated worse than dirt, they have no idea. Instead of arguing, people need to realize this is genuinely the experience of many young people due to malbehavior in adult content that is being witnessed.

[@midyouthcrisis1]

Wonder the percentage that were abused by men, feel they regain power? Young gay or bi girls who in their teenage angst/confusion think (incorrectly) think they are trans? Body image issues (anorexia/bulimia etc) are higher amongst females?

[@Mansplaner63]

@@TipTheScales27 but why if they hate men, or were abused by men, would they want to be a man? They don’t really want to be men, it’s something different. Running away from womanhood like a dumpster fire is what I have heard. I think it’s a great description

[@anmuminas]

@@Mansplaner63 because then men will not attack them anymore. That’s the thing behind this trauma. Lesbian girls don’t wanna get attending by men. That’s why they often Donnie for Intimität stereotype of o woman (clothes, make, hairstyle). And some of this girl would go further. This group need protection.

[@seeker4681]

Show me a single teenager going through puberty who doesn’t feel a bit weird about their new body !

[@123mneil]

It is unbelievable how quickly the culture is changing.

[@dbk9761]

We are in the Last Days. It’s only going to get worse. Read Daniel, Revelation.

[@marias6583]

once the foundation is gone, you will just keep rolling down the hill and there is nothing stopping it

[@dbk9761]

@@marias6583 Agreed. We’ve already crossed the line. We’re too far gone now. There’s no going back. This is why Christ must return. We’re destroying ourselves at breakneck speed.

[@billyb4790]

@@marias6583 right. The baby boom generation are the last to ever know what a foundation was. They will soon be gone. And then things will really take off.

[@AC-mp7cx]

we need islam

[@HamCubes]

An entire generation. This is heartbreaking. 🥺

[@lizzy-wx4rx]

But their parents are from a different generation that wasn't brainwashed with this garbage and should know better. It's disgusting that they just go along with it, even when they can see it's wrong. They are failing to protect their child.

[@Mandy-nt2cs]

​@lizzy They have also been brainwashed. Watch the interview with Yuri Bezmenov. Other than that, the liberal owned media over here in the US has been using mental manipulation, Propaganda ect to brainwash the masses for years.. and recently it's only became worse.

[@Spamkromite]

Unfortunately, they have been doing this in secret since as far as their first experiments in 1930 🙄

[@HamCubes]

@@lizzy-wx4rx I have to agree. 🙏

[@skumflum3768]

This is one of those things future head of governments will apologize for.

[@jamiejones8508]

“So why do you think so many young women suddenly want to be men?” “No idea, but we’re going to help them by taking hormones & having surgery & often sterilisation anyway.” This is the same attitude taken by GIDS in the UK…and an underlying reason why the Cass report was so critical. Trans identifying children and adults deserve the same standard of evidence based medicine as everyone else & it defies belief that there is so little research in this area :-(

[@magpiegirl3783]

Yes, that comment from her left me gobsmacked. She was a “trans hero?” She is so focussed on affirming that she is not able to objectively evaluate. And she gave every appearance of not giving a damn for those “regretters”. Regretters are dismissed while she goes around saving all those poor trans-trapped people.

[@j.2512]

women are more vulnerable to social contagion and now its a fad to identify as 20 different genders and being straight is demonized. Fun fact: Most of these girls will continue pursuing men after transitioning, they are not even lesbians. They think becoming a gay man is better than being a straight woman because of woke ideas.

[@MrCmon113]

They can always choose not to undergo treatment.

[@trevorrogers95]

@@MrCmon113 Guess what, genius, we shouldn’t let kids make that choice.

[@janiceclark-espinoza1706]

My daughter falls into this category of girls. As her mother, I know for a fact that she does not have gender dysphoria. She was a girlie girl up until she was 15. What no one is talking about is how this phenomenon is affecting the parents and families of these children. As her mom, I am devastated by the choices she has made for herself at such a young age and angry with the whole system that has supported her in these decisions. I am desperate to save her but helpless in doing so. I am crying and so sad as I write this. She is all I see and think about.😔

[@ExtraordinaryLiving]

OMG! 😱 This is truly a family-destroying malpractice of and in our medical and social systems!!!

[@zengjanezhu]

Homeschool her?

[@werkarins2380]

Make sure you keep records for time to sue, but in saying that I hope she’ll get better soon🙏

[@tomokokurokiirl]

That's a stereotype. Not everyone with gender dysphoria showed obvious signs as a child, even though they felt it internally. Some people only start expressing it when it gets too bad to continue hiding. Just because of this, you shouldn't assume your child is actually not trans. For some it's not "just a phase" and they don't "change their mind"

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

I wish you luck. This is one of my worst fears as a mom! I think I would move and get offline as a family... but idk if that would be enough

[@Joy-kc5xz]

Porn, homophobia, social clout, trauma, and abuse all factor into trans identification, but I think a rise in people with diagnosed/undiagnosed autism has the largest part to play in what's been going on lately. I can't believe the ignorance of "experts" trying to explain "gender identity" as if it's some sort of actual concept, and yet they ignore the fact that autistic people have extremely black/white thinking, poor sense of body ownership, propensity for sexual paraphilias, poor social skills, and difficulty in empathizing with others. That is a _toxic cocktail_ of motivation for a person to claim to be the opposite sex and demand others recognize them as such. How is it possible that so-called medical and psychological experts fail so miserably at understanding the human psyche when the average person can see _plain as day_ what is going on in the minds of these people?

[@kristinab1078]

Well said. Research in the future may well reveal that these life-altering procedures disproportionately impact children and young adults on the autism spectrum more than any other group. Unethical treatment and abuse are the words that come to mind.

[@annabell3385]

Money.

[@janebaggott3510]

I agree 100%. Thank God for your rational, understanding and compassion, the world has seemingly gone completely insane.

[@Joy-kc5xz]

@@annabell3385 So true, and I think another huge part is the desire of therapists to be viewed and praised as "inclusive" and an "ally". It gives them social clout. It's like a parent who wants to be their child's friend and say "yes" to everything to be the "cool" parent that their child always likes. That hurts children in the long run as they are raised without boundaries, consequences, or stability.

[@ijansk]

Finally someone mentions homophobia (both external and internalised) as a cause for some people wanting to transition because it looks like many are staying silent about it while denouncing the harms of gender identity, maybe because acknowledging homophobia would make them face the fact they have a part in this problem (conservatives, right-wingers, for example).

[@adailydaughter6196]

So sad 😔 But even worse, these young people are shown great hate when they share their OWN experiences if it goes against the media pushed narrative 😑

[@LightLivingEst80]

It's part of the liberal ideas and their play with words they are some sneaky devils to pull of their political agenda

[@MrCmon113]

No, they aren't. Everyone acknowledges that detransitioning happens. What they do face is criticism if they want to deny OTHERS therapy, just because they fucked up. How is that different from people trying to make drugs illegal, just bcs some relative of theirs managed to kill himself with them?

[@squarepeg4227]

@@MrCmon113yes they are. And no one wants to deny people therapy in fact that is exactly what they need. Therapy with a psychologist.

[@caro.k2958]

This is heartbreaking it makes me so angry that young people are being lied to and told no one regrets transitioning. It is criminal what is happening now. I cried when she took responsibility berating herself for her wrong decision and what was done to her. When in reality she was let down by the adults who should have been there to protect and guide her and have abdicated that responsibility.

[@j.2512]

they just see people as cattle that they can exploit and butcher for profit. Elites don't care , they hate normal people.

[@skumflum3768]

This is one of those things a future president or head of government will apologize for😢

[@JD-ls6ex]

@@skumflum3768 Doubt it. These are all signs of the end times. Get ready, get right with Jesus if you haven't.

[@skumflum3768]

@@JD-ls6ex “The future is uncertain but the end is always near.” -Jim Morrison

[@JD-ls6ex]

​@@skumflum3768 The disciples wrote of a future where you couldn't buy or sell without receiving a mark. How on earth could they imagine that 2000 years ago? Never through history has that seemed like a reality, untill now with recent technology. We even just had a beta test. We are moving towards globalism and digital currency. The bible spoke of a one world government/currency. Even many non Christians see it coming with the great reset. Yes wars, diseases, natural disasters and so on have happened through history. But events have never alligned like this. "Evil will be called good" Sounds familiar? So many other signs, like Israel becoming a nation in 1948. Euphrates river drying up. Satanic symbolism everywhere in media and so on. Why? Christianity is becoming taboo. Everything it's against is celebrated. Even in some churches. The great falling away have been going on for 50 years or so now Not long before Christians will be persecuted (already are many places, but on a global scale) Man I could go on. It's allright if you think I'm talking non sense friend, but if the world demands a mark to function in society, just be on guard :D

[@embalmertrick1420]

This madness should have never happened. People need help, care and support. Not chopped off because of how they "feel". They were sold a fantasy.

[@Valentina-ix1cq]

Sexuality develops during puberty and adolescence. It's crazy to believe that someone who hasn't gone through that crucial process is capable of taking decisions about something they still have to experience.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

@AnaCara Because you say so, I assume?

[@j.2512]

@AnaCara hello groomer, hows the AGP going?

[@Aarenby]

@@eucliduschaumeau8813 depends on what you mean- but kids can be romantically attracted to other kids. That's what childhood crushes are

[@harrygarris6921]

@@anacara9772 There isn't a singular "time when sexuality develops". It develops over a period of time, and when that time occurs varies from person to person. It's typically during your preteen to early teen years but there is variation.

[@harrygarris6921]

@@anacara9772 Says the person who's referencing Freud. Calling him a scientist would be like calling me an astronaut. Are you familiar with any actual scientific research that has been done on human sexual development?

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Additionally, the Dutch studies were funded by a Dutch pharma company, a producer of puberty blocker pharma. Originally 70 subjects, mysteriously then only 55. One died in aftermath of surgery. Not great stats or qualified as a reliable foundation for mass medicalization.

[@catiapb1]

Can you cite those studies? I would like to read them.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

@@catiapb1 I can't post a link here, but, deVries was one author, one paper was in 2014. If you g--gle Dr. Michael Biggs, (Oxford professor) together with Dutch studies, his critique appears.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals You can post the name, though.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

@@zacheryeckard3051 "Young Adult Psychological Outcomes after Puberty Suppression" (DeVries, et al, 2014) Critique of issues searchable under Prof. Michael Biggs, Oxford University.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals Thank you.

[@istj509]

Please share this with every parent you know who fears their child has gender identity disorder. Page 455 of the DSM-V states: “rates of persistence of gender dysphoria from childhood into adolescence or adulthood vary. In natal males, persistence has ranged from 2% to 30%. In natal females, persistence has ranged from 12% to 50%.” In other words, between 70% and 98% of gender dysphoric boys and 50-88% of girls will no longer have gender dysphoria when they reach adolescence or adulthood. This is without any special psychological interventions for these children. It presumes, of course, that the child is made to wait before taking irreversible steps.

[@BetaD_]

Yes, but the reason why they got blockers anyway is: The kids with (persistent) gender dysphoria get really severe depressions. The 40% suicide attempt rate is there for a reason, and no therapy or anti depressents don't really help.... But yeah the whole gender dysphoria topic is really difficult and sadly has by far to few scientific studies, because they slept the last 20 years and did nothing.... Now it's blowing up (rightfully)....Let's see how they will hande it in the future, but gender dysphoria is a very important topic and trans people are valid!

[@trolleriffic]

@@BetaD_ Transitioning doesn't help either. There's no good medical evidence that transitioning leads to better outcomes than not transitioning.

[@BetaD_]

@@trolleriffic Well we don't know that it doesn't help. I don't know the numbers, but it's probably just unconclusive due to lack of enough good studies right? But if your 18+ you should be able to transition no matter what (+ I strongly believe that transitioning actually helps, if you are old enough to properly decide). The difficult part is, how to handle everybody younger then 18.... Edit: "There's no good medical evidence that transitioning leads to better outcomes than not transitioning" to be clear, that's only because we don't have enough good studies (the ones we have, are sadly a bit poor by science standards....), and in no way does it show, that transitioning doesn't work

[@kwamekankam-boadu2467]

It is a phenomenon fanned by social media

[@roberttony001]

You would think the first stage of treatment would be to try to get them to feel comfortable in their own body, not attack their body with hormones and surgery and do so for at least a year, cause no harm.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

There’s no money in that.

[@EauSoRandom]

That has been deemed “conversion therapy” which is now considered child abuse apparently

[@j.2512]

no one even questions how two thirds are autistic. People who literally have issues with identity and are gullible since they don't understand social cues. Imagine telling a confused autistic kid they need to change sex.

[@DerHammerSpricht]

@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree Just like there is no money in Ivermectin, Vitamin D, and Hydrogen-fuel-cell cars.

[@shizahkhalid9893]

@@EauSoRandom most of these 'conversion therapy' camps are run by religious fundamentalists pushing their agenda, hence why they don't have the best reputation.

[@kristinab1078]

These medical professionals are breaking their primary oath of..."First do no harm!"

[@RG-iw7py]

In most countries they don't make any oaths. Many Western doctors don't learn about nutrition, herbs. That's why I prefer to follow natural medicine, naturopaths like Barbara O'Neill.

[@annabell3385]

Now it's "First, make money."

[@ShayKMBR]

I've always wondered if Dr.s realize they break their oath every time they put a patient into irreversible lifelong debt.

[@RG-iw7py]

@@ShayKMBR Many will think first: pay student loan, mortgage, put food on the table, get best gadgets, best holidays. Narcissistic people do like this kind of job coz they get respect, attention (called 'narcissistic supply') even when they fail. Now doctors' organisations harass good, honest doctors but they were nowhere when my friend lost child due to doctor's mistake because they used to protect each other. This is very stressful job. Still there are wonderful doctors around. To cheer up look up Bollywood comedy: 'Munna Bhai MBBS' Let's cherish and support good ones.

[@clsinds5876]

While true the “first do no harm” is still a cornerstone rule of the practice of medicine taught even in the countries where they no longer take an oath.

[@therealdeal3672]

If I'm tormented by my breasts I'm suffering deeply from internalized misogyny! A fourteen-year-old has barely even experienced having their breasts yet. They don't understand the pleasure their breasts may give them later when they grow into and embrace being a woman. I'm so glad I didn't grow up at a time when this nonsense could have warped my mind. I was a tomboy and so happy that I got the experience of getting to be a mother and a woman who has become comfortable in my own skin.

[@chiefh.p.greencloud275]

Women are still second class citizens in most part of the world! And not much is known about female sexuality either. This is truly a man's world and there's no space for real women and also no real men. I as a woman never felt I belonged to this world, and never had doubts about my body or sexuality. The only problem I have is men!

[@BlueRidgeBubble]

Oh it's not internalized misogyny either. More ideological drivel.

[@zahralightway1881]

I was thinking the same thing. A young teen who loves their body and feels comfortable transitioning puberty is rare. Emotionally unstable as well. I think the guy who keeps saying they suffer too much has forgotten teen angst. No way do I think anyone under the age of 25 should get any kind of hormone or body changing surgery. I think if they get through puberty and live as their sex first and still wnat to then okay. :)

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@zahralightway1881 So according to your expert medical opinion if 2% of people regret, you would prevent treatment for 98% of patients? So if there is a cancer treatment that would cure 98% but be negative for 2%, you would be ok, if you had cancer and the doctor told you, you can't have that treatmeant because of the 2%? It's not a simple question and typically the benefit of the many outweight the negatives of the few in most things.

[@zahralightway1881]

@@cyberfunk3793 I woulnd't prevent anyone from getting it at all. Just asking that some common sense be used and we take a wait and see attitude until they have finished puberty. It was clear that the massive rise in girls getting "treatment" could well be linked to mential and emotionaly healthy issues that may or may not be linked to the "dysphoria". Surely we need to take that seriously and slow down a bit while we investigate what is really going on. I don't believe it is only 2%. I think that is what people want to believe. Having people wait, and maybe twenty five is late, until they have lived in their adult bodies for a whiledoesn't stop any of them transitioning later after great care has been taken to make sure it is not just a normal teenage stage of development. wWhereas once done it sounds like girls can never fully detransition. They will not be able to regrow breasts and whilll be scarred for life, never breast feed and sounds like never have kids. I also don't agree in general that the few should be sacriiced or fhe many. That is tyrannical and manipuatlive and unfortuantley how the awful dmeocratic system works...

[@CrysLuv27]

14 yr old girl: I’m uncomfortable and embarrassed about my new breasts. I hate it. Adult Professional: Okay, let’s cut them off. And they call themselves progressive.

[@srolesen]

Mengele would be proud

[@gertrudesohn7337]

I am stunned that not one of these "professionals" said anything about diagnosing "gender dysphoria" in a child and then spending at least a year counseling that child to find out if there is a reason why or spending any time helping that child learn to love him or her self. I fear down the road, in the not too distant future, many of these children will grow up to be adults who cannot handle the mistake they made physically transitioning themselves and will harm themselves. This is so tragic. Once again, we harm many in our pursuit to save the few. 😢

[@SunnyGirlFlorida]

Right? As an adult I was even evaluated to see if I was of sound mind and wasn't getting a nose-job for the "wrong reasons' and expecting it to change my life.

[@j.2512]

in countries outside the anglosphere the treatment would still be that, counselling, behavioral therapy and anti-psichotics. I know psychiatrists and they say almost every single time teenagers get better and loose the dellusions with proper care. Lots of kids are sexually confused and have issues with identity , specially autistic kids. Something like 2/3 of Transitioners are autistic! The trans cult is just as demonic as telling anorexics they should loose more weight because its weight affirming. Evil, they are preventing people from getting treatment and instead butchering them for money

[@haleykubala5578]

The fact that Mika is afraid to show her face to the TRANS community, that is says it’s loving and accepting, shows how hateful the group really is. Their own ideology is so weak they can’t handle other peoples real lived experiences with proof.

[@sheribrougham4863]

Totally agree with you. They are extremely vile to anyone who even asks a question.

[@evagal]

Agreed totally loving and accepting, UNTIL YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!

[@MsFlamingFlamer]

@@evagalthey are absolutely terrible to detransitioners. Heck they are awful to Trans people who don’t step in line (Dave Chappelle’s friend Daphne, Buck Angel etc).

[@OM-or3im]

Just like vegans treat ex-vegans. Same hate.

[@MA-vw1pl]

This "trans thing" is gonna backfire and backfire big-time!!

[@marias6583]

it already is

[@Indi3R]

not for everyone though,, many of us are very happy and living our lives post transition

[@ustanchy869]

Okay, grandma, time for bed.

[@daric_]

Thanks for sharing this. If the concern is truly for the well being of our children...we need to hear the voices of those who have been harmed by medical malpractice and experimentation in the past to prevent it from happening again.

[@AnonymousSquirrel123]

*When I was twelve, I was a babysitter for a trans-man, who had his change done by the now closed Mayo Clinic. Transgender surgery has been available since the 1930's (in Germany of all places!), but these gender clinics were careful to keep their heads down and attract as little attention as possible. The protocols for the patients was dramatically different than today, where you basically tell any school nurse that you were born in the wrong body and six months later they have these children in operating rooms (being paid outrageous amounts of money to perform surgeries that they KNOW is likely improper).* *For example, the protocol for transition started with living for a minimum of two years as the gender you desired to transition to, while getting intensive psychotherapy st the same time. Eventually the patient and his or her care team would reach a consensus that either the transition was appropriate, or it was not appropriate, and then they went from there. If the transition was determined to be wrong, or just not yet ready psychologically for the shocks that accompany these kinds of surgeries, it was placed on hold until the patient and their team had come to a consensus of 100%.* *If you were approved at the end of the two year "pre-treatnebt" phase, you were assigned to a surgical team, and a pharmaceutical team, and your journey began - but **_always_** with the ongoing psychotherapy. If you dumped the shrink, you also dumped your chance to do it. Practitioners used to follow their Oaths to "First, do no harm", and worked very hard to guarantee that they did not perform such a grave and complex treatment as sexual reassignment without being 100% certain by **_everyone_** concerned. Today though, it is judt the opposite, speak up, and six months later you are deep into the process, while the "treatment teams" rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from each trasitioned life. Even if you KNOW you are mishandling a case, it doesn't matter - you got the money, and the patient ha to deal with the consequences of their "requests" for "treatment". The once honorable profession of medicine has fallen to the greed of mythical proportions having instantiated itself in the hospital treatment setting.* *Medicine has been lost for more than 25 years now, and it shows. Honest practitioners are leaving the practice setting behind, and switching to "more honest work" as one of my classmates at medical school referred to it. I know dozens of physicians who have refused to help their children become physicians. They are so thoroughly disillusioned that the thought of their children following in their footsteps makes them deeply depressed and even more deeply guilty. Allowing their chilren to fall into such an evil endeavor is simply unthinkable today. Instead, the rule is, to quote Henny Youngman (look him up if you don't know the reference!), ""Always get the gelt [money] FIRST!". The great cathedrals of medicine are more and more reflecting the condition of their gods: broken, dirty, disorganized, and repulsive. And the public cheers this on, like a trained animal is trained to sit, or stay - while we allow these once great cathedrals of medicine to slowly crumble in on themselves, waiting for the inevitable dealth of the respected family doctor.*

[@brynawaldman5790]

FWIW, the surgery part of transitioning is illegal if the patient is under 18. The hard right says that younger teens get the treatments, & this is incorrect.

[@j.2512]

burning those clinics was the best thing nazis did , surprise, all of them, every single one, all those doctors were from the same nomadic desert tribe.

[@brynawaldman5790]

@@happydaze7386 Please site a study which conveys this. I can site the studies which say it is illegal. This is a common pattern w right wing talking points when it comes to covid. I admit I haven't done enough research myself, when it comes to trans surgeries, to know if it's the same pattern. I do know this pattern comes up w climate change. 1. A scientific study supports a right wing talking point. 2. Right wingers spout off about the study. 3. The scientific community points out that the "study" doesn't meet scientific standards. (On the climate change issue it often emerges that someone paid off by the Koch brothers was paid to write up the "study.". Do you know who the Koch brothers are?) 3. The study is pulled because it fails to meet scientific standards. 4. The right wingers who used the "study" claim their free speech rights have been violated.

[@brynawaldman5790]

@@happydaze7386 I just googled it for you. Legal age requirement for top surgery in the USA is 18. Google it yourself to check it out.

[@AlewynMarie]

@@brynawaldman5790 with parental consent, it’s being done in the US.

[@britlew5933]

Having grown up in the 70's I remember my girlfriends receiving a lot of unwanted attention (from men, boys and even male relatives...from girls as a competition thing) when your breast start growing. You can't hide it, everybody is aware of it and while you are trying to come to terms with puberty and your changing body you get all this unwanted attention that can be haunting and overwhelming. I can understand that a girl in such a situation just want them to be gone...they do not know it will eventually be fine and normal.

[@millier.206]

Same! It’s difficult when you are only 13 and still feeling like a kid.

[@britlew5933]

@@millier.206 Exactly! Those years are so confusing and overwhelming, I just hope some girls will find this post and that they will be assured: Everything will work out! Even if you don't believe it now, it will! Have patience (I know that is the hardest part) hang in there and don't make radical decisions, it will all be different once you are a few years older. 🤗

[@animalswin2105]

That's what I think. This is about feeling unsafe, not about being a girl. The porn culture has affected women and girls all over the world with 35% of British women having experienced abuses during sex such as face slapping, insultes, spitting, strangling and say it has lowered their trust in others and themselves. This is a kind of war on girls. I would probably transition to a boy if i were 12 today. If only they knew that they can be safe and also that for example in the lesbian world you are equal, valued, safe in general as opposed to meeting men....

[@britlew5933]

@@animalswin2105 Agreed. You feel literally hunted and prayed upon while in the most vulnerable stage of your life.

[@jacquelynn2051]

I hear you but I had small budding teats yet from the waist down...were curves...small waist, nice hips, an apple bottom and beautiful legs....just to expand the defining features of physical femininity....as large breasts on a straight up and down body, yet is an ACTUAL WOMAN could risk giving me...TRANS. No shade...just saying that a born woman comes packaged Head to Toe with SEVERAL tell tale physical assets of young budding womanhood. I was walking home from school aged 13 and being FOLLOWED by pervs in their cars...slow rolling. Be well.

[@christophlindinger2267]

Why don't we affirm anorexic girls in their idea that they should be more skinny?!

[@sibusisiwemlala3778]

I feel for Sametti; she was such a beautiful girl before she transitioned! And now she will never be able to have children. What a shame!

[@phoebelee55]

I had a breast augmentation when I was 25 years old and I’m 50 now, I have had five maybe six boob jobs in the search of perfection, and I regret having my breast Surgically messed with because I never got perfection and I went to different doctors. April 18 I will be having my implants taken out and left with anchor scars to remind me every day the stupid decision I made.

[@peacefulteacher4785]

You need to follow Adrianne Curry (former Next Top Model fame). She had the same experience and speaks frequently about her past to help others go implant free. She would be proud of you and supportive.

[@Gardeninggal253]

Yep same here, I was a tomboy until 13, was always mistaken for a boy, when I was 20 to look more girly, got my first implants but my pec were so muscular that they pushed my implants out to side, and it then look like I had 4 boobs instead of 2. A few years later I went to have them removed but my doc said I’d have a hollowed out chest and convinced be to be part of the study to get the silicon implants that hadn’t been approved yet by FDA, at the time you could only get saline, since the old silicon got banned. Anyways within years I became sick as a dog, no one knew what it was, they treated me for lupus, etc, still felt awful…finally in 2010 there started being more doctors coming forward with their findings of breast implant illness…had them removed and it took about 5 years to get my health back….I wasted so many years being sick for no reason, having big fake breast still didn’t make me feel better, it was in my head, I was trying to fit into society, and this is what scares me about kids today

[@MrCmon113]

I mean you're 50, you're gonna be ugly soon anyways, so nothing to worry about.

[@sheribrougham4863]

Because it wasn't about your boobs to begin with it was in your mind.

[@phoebelee55]

@@sheribrougham4863 … exactly… I wanted what was in my head to match my body but it’s impossible

[@OceanSwimmer]

Using a knife and strong hormones to "cure" teen depression or "identity crisis" (which is what we called teen angst in the 60s) is crazy.

[@jcimsn8464]

Severe mental illnesses

[@skumflum3768]

Future generations will look and say “they were doing what??”

[@sheribrougham4863]

Totally agree every teenager that has ever walked has gone through teen angst. Just years ago kids were more resilient and parents weren't easily manipulated. Kids today are snowflakes. They don't get taught to handle uncomfortable emotions and keep moving forward.

[@deborahvretis3195]

What a brave young woman! She has helped untold numbers of young people to let their story be known. I pray for peace for her and others like her.

[@vicmarc4984]

*Him.

[@adailydaughter6196]

Indeed. God bless her 😐🙏

[@JohnSmith-ry7wh]

Man

[@estebanmunoz7486]

Male

[@veevee4224]

Wrong. She's a biological female who briefly identified as a man, transitioned, and the hormone treatment changed her voice. It's why she still sounds male despite detransitioning back to her birth gender, a woman. But she's female. It's pretty common with FtMtF detransitioners that the male voice testosterone brought doesn't go away when they stop taking the hormones, apparently

[@elainealibrandi6364]

I have a theory as to why it's mostly girls at about 10-12 years old who want to transition: Because when breasts start to develop, that's when the harassment and the insulting or suggestive comments begin, and where everyone's eyes are riveted, and a girl tends to feel very uncomfortable and embarrassed about her body at that age. In a lot of cases the girls have been sexually abused. We need to tell a girl who experiences it that all of this behavior, NOT her body, is abnormal.

[@AlewynMarie]

It no doubt plays a big part. You go from a kid to looking like a woman and you’re absolutely right about the sudden attention, often uninvited and abusive, is awful. I definitely hid my body to get away from it.

[@notinavacuum5966]

I’ve heard this. Maybe instead girls should be educated about alternative options, such as binding, etc. at least then they could later stop wearing them. It’s wild that teens, volatile as their emotions can be during that period, would be allowed to make such permanent life-altering decisions for themselves.

[@elainealibrandi6364]

@@notinavacuum5966 Your idea is interesting. I'm of the opinion that girls shouldn't have to do anything to change what's happening in their bodies, and it sends a message that the girl needs to adjust and hide because of others' insecurities. I think that, at the age where they can understand it, both boys and girls should have separate sex education classes not only about their own gender but also about the opposite one. Boys, especially, need to be made aware of how sensitive girls are to the changes of puberty. Knowledge of women's bodies is woeful in the US.

[@alvinsmith3894]

So it's men fault in the end. Again. /sigh. I hate how we put all of this on girls. Men and boys need to start acting right.

[@elainealibrandi6364]

@@alvinsmith3894 I think they need to be taught. We all need to be taught at a young age what is the right way to behave toward each other. Good role models would help for both genders.

[@Silveirias]

I feel so terrible for Sametti (very unlikely to be her birth name, "Velvet" is not a traditional Finnish name, so she has probably changed her name, too, to build herself a new identity), but I'm glad she was able to realise she made a mistake and is brave enough to talk about it. I keep wanting to say "he" in English because of her voice. :/ It's fortunate that Finnish is not a gendered language, so she won't have people calling her "he".

[@somethinggood9267]

Does this mean Sweden does not have personal pronouns, or do you mind explaining to me?

[@Silveirias]

@@somethinggood9267 Swedish has gendered pronouns just like English does (they are "han" for "he" and "hon" for "she"). Finnish, which is a language unrelated to Indo-European languages such as English and Swedish, does not have gendered pronouns. Finnish only has one third person pronoun "hän" that is used for both men and women. We also commonly use "se" (it) to refer to people in informal Finnish, and it is not in any way offensive in Finnish (unlike in English, though I've seen people wanting to use "it" as their pronoun in English where it feels really dehumanising). Sametti lives in Joensuu, Finland.

[@kathyalex778]

He is a man, the voice confirms it. Despite how he sees himself we all know he is male. Clothes don’t change reality of sex

[@Silveirias]

@@kathyalex778 Did you even watch the documentary? She's a female. She thought she was a trans man, but she realised she made a terrible mistaken. Her voice is like that because she took testosterone. It's irreversible, she won't get her feminine voice back just because she stopped taking testosterone.

[@jasenkavukelic5047]

@@kathyalex778 Have you watched the documentary? Your comment says you have not.

[@bonojennett]

My LDS-biased mind notices correlations between how emotionally vulnerable individuals seem to be drawn to an ideology. They then make commitments that require life-long obligations (staying on the "Covenant Path"). If they ever come to find these things to be unhealthy, untrue and/or not work for them, they are scared to speak out in fear of ridicule from their ideological tribe. I mean, it's somewhat similar in the ex-LDS realm if someone tries to acknowledge the beneficial elements of Mormonism, but it's definitely on a different level.

[@aurograce2983]

Transgenderism is kinda cult-like. It's "the solution to your problems" as long as you stay in the group and don't question the "science" behind it. Then if you later change your mind you are ridiculed and cast out from the "inclusive" group because you disagree.

[@jernisharichard5032]

Right

[@timh8324]

@@jernisharichard5032 The gender ideology movement seems like a cult

[@annabell3385]

Yes, and cult leaders know exactly how to spot potential victims. One of them said they can see it in their face.

[@antonyfranco2866]

If you can answer yes to most or all of these, then you're in a cult. Do they oppose critical thinking? Are you willing to disconnect or estrange yourself from family, friends, and communities who do not agree with your ideology? Do they penalize people for leaving? Do they put down other groups and communities that don't agree with them, or label them as a threat or enemy? Are you told not to question what is taught? Are you made to feel like a failure if you don't do or say what is expected of you? Do you feel like you have no connections with anyone outside of that group? Do you believe you are a victim of oppression or discrimination, and that this group and its ideology is your path to salvation? Are you fearful of extreme punishment, torment, or persecution in some form or another, if you do not abide by this ideology? It's ironic how alike Christians and LGBTQ+ people are... You're a godless sinner / You're a bigot and a transphobe Do not question the Bible or Christ or you will not be saved / Do not question my identity or you're a worthless bigot If you don't believe in and follow the teachings of Christ, you'll suffer eternal torment / If you don't believe in what I believe in, we will cancel you and make your life a living hell Your decision to join the church wasn't a mistake. It can't be, because that might mean I made a mistake and I can't accept that. So you're a godless heathen. I will shun you. I will hate you and God will hate you. Your decision to transition wasn't a mistake. It can't be, because that might mean I made a mistake and I can't accept that. So you're a bigot and a transphobe. I will cancel you. I will hate you and Society will hate you.

[@brega6286]

And I add , after over 50 years as a licensed health care provider, there's big money to be made every time a new "fad" comes along. Fads include drugs,surgeries,mental health treatments,nutrition and such. Everyone gets on the bandwagon, educators, "life coaches", "imfluencers",authors,merchants and organizations are formed.

[@potatoesinthepot]

There's going to be so many lawsuits from this insanity.

[@debbylou5729]

I remember the first sex change operations. A group of these doctors refused to do any more. They went on record as saying it only made things worse. That the problem is mental and surgery can’t help that

[@east_coastt]

What would you say to the 99% of people who transition and never regret it? Medical treatment absolutely does work for trans people and has a far lower regret rate than surgeries that cisgender people have (like boob jobs) or plastic surgeries like nose jobs.

[@mightymarc76]

@@east_coastt your data is incorrect

[@WindTurbineSyndrome]

Joshns Hopkins hosp.pioneered sex change operations in adults but no longer perform them

[@ustanchy869]

Medical intervention has evolved immensely in the past century, Debby. Also, just as a note, trans bodies are beautiful and trans lives are sacred. We have always been here, and always will be here. From the beginning of human civilization to the end of it. At least take the time to listen to trans people before assuming what we need based on the words of... NOT trans people. Your logic is nonexistent on this topic.

[@athenamissinghome619]

@@east_coastt that data isn’t in yet. So, don’t lie.

[@SlimJimDevourer]

This comment is a bit of a mess, but I feel it necessary to express my viewpoint. This is all coming from a redpilled teenage girl who previously experienced gender dysphoria due to the woke media. It is portrayed by the left as a cure all for girls experiencing body dysphoria. That is why we are seeing such a huge boom in transmen. 31:00 yes, they are in pain and suffering, but gender dysphoria and body dysphoria can be grown out of. These are CHILDREN, specifically young girls who experience body dysphoria at a higher rate than males due to standards in our society. Cross sex hormones are dangerous! Cancer, arthritis, worsened mental health, blood clots, infertility, etc. this is the rapid medicalization of children for financial gain! This isn’t “care” it’s a CONTRACT. If these kids sign away their life early to medicine, they are constant producers of income. That’s it. Every other mental disorder is treated with therapy or antidepressants/psychotics, but not gender dysphoria. Imagine telling an anorexic person that they are in fact fat and need a tummy tuck, even if they’re skin and bones. It makes no sense. Men cannot become women, women cannot become men. Gender and sex do have binary markers (female and male, vagina and penis, uterus and testes, low muscle mass and high muscle mass, XX and XY). If sex doesn’t equal gender, than why do male identified females want male biological features (SEX CHARACTERISTICS) and vice versa. Men can wear high heels without identifying as female. Women can have short hair without identifying as male. Just because you break gender norms, doesn’t mean that you are trans. It means that you have a divergent personality. Just 20 years ago this was common knowledge. Tomboys and tomgirls have been erased and medicalized. Intersex people are an anomaly. In biology, we say that humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes. Some people may have more or less, but it doesn’t change the fact that those are birth defects and shouldn’t be treated as the rule.

[@bradyjohnson7705]

U can appear as a woman but u re a biological male

[@ohthelovelypoems]

Intersex people are still born either xx or xy. The intersex aspects are secondary characteristics.

[@pinchebruha405]

Very well said

[@tarulinden8295]

@@ohthelovelypoems Some are, there are a also those born with 3 sex chromosomes.

[@phoenixkali]

Most people carry both male and female characteristics in their personality especially if brought up by both parents, they're inherited from them. Having a sex change does not change the personality or make life easier it makes it harder. I've met 2 people in my life that were born intersex with XXY chromosomes. They were very overweight and stunted both physically and mentally in their teen when they were in their twenties. They were brought up as male, identified as male and a simple course of testosterone injections brought them up to speed, there was a massive spurt of weight loss, muscle density and facial hair. Unfortunately the dose was a little too strong and they started losing head hair. They will be on Testo gel for the rest of their lives and are sterile. These are the people that should be receiving medical attention not plastic surgeons looking for the next vulnerable guinea pig.

[@user-uz24y37g]

@52:59 “..girls my age, who are just a bit different, who stand out from the typical female role, we’re one giant experiment..”

[@justlina2769]

In the US, the kids are coached to question their gender identity at younger and younger ages in school, and the parents are either kept ignorant, or they're coerced into going along with it at the risk of losing custody of their kids.

[@fortheloveofdavis9577]

It's so bad!! I saw somebody saying that all kids should be talked to about it in PRESCHOOL! What?!

[@ol1163]

The US is pushing it and it tries to spread the ideology through its geopolitical power. Sick country.

[@ME24689]

That's pure evil, and I blame the government and the schools for INDOCTRINATION.. They are destroying people's whole lives, and that of their families who love them.. "Inclusion" for some means "deprivation of the rights of another marginalised group"..

[@ЕленаВиноградова-ф7и]

Parents in Russia would be furious as hell!!! if heard something like that in the curriculum, we can't imagine this nonsense. And changing gender ( or sex, there is no distinction between the notions of sex and gender here) was officially prohibited by law on July, 14( except birth anomaly of course).

[@annwethenorth]

Not sure why waiting to be 18 is bad? You used to have to have so many years of therapy, lifestyle etc before any dr would even consider. The money they're making off these fads is horrible. It won't stop until the lawsuits roll in and I think the schools are just as responsible.

[@wplains]

It’s also the alphabet mafia who pushes and pushes for kids to do this. They don’t have kids of their own so they come after ours. And, as we all know, the alphabet mafia is now a protected species and if you say one word against them, you’re a bigot and all sorts of phobes. There are even transgenders (fake women) now squealing that heterosexual men are trans phobes because they don’t want to date them. That’s how far the rabbit hole we’ve come.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

So are the parents....the family these people are born in are coddling them into some imaginary reality... it's like affirming delusions from a schizophrenic patient. Disturbing.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

If you wait to 18 for puberty blockers, then they can't delay puberty.

[@sofypi7493]

U know that what u call puberty blockers are the same thing that in America the give to prisoner to castrate them? Yea… do u really want to give that to a child? If mtf doesn’t ho thru puberty don’t drop the balla then there is not enouth to make a new “vagina”

[@sofypi7493]

+we don’t know the long teen consecquences of these ormons, doctor used to say that once u get off them is like u never took them but new studies are showing the opposite, people treated like cavy absurd

[@edinacamden4346]

I have a teenager (daughter), everyday I tell her she is beautiful,smart,kind,everything going for her. I think it is important. It makes her more comfortable and relaxed in her own “skin”.

[@jimbrown9817]

If more parents would emulate you, affirming their children as they are, this ‘crisis’ would disappear. Of course, unplugging kids from the influence of the Net would help too.

[@zengjanezhu]

I do not. I tell my son my most honest and brutal feedback because he has to have his confidence and assurance not based on what other people think of him, but what he knows of himself. He can not learn who he is if I only give him false positive praise. I think kids in the western are so fragile nowadays which is why schools are banning this or that words and banning this or that speech because they can not handle negative feedback at all. They grew up with all the unauthentic praises.

[@edinacamden4346]

@@zengjanezhuwell,it is all true,she is all that. I’m honest about her. I tell her so she knows her worth. By the way I’m from Hungary,we are very straightforward.

[@emese-tundetorok1135]

You have to say the good and the bad side of society. And that 90% of girls have been through this in some form. We as parents have a huge responsibility.

[@corrinadeluxe4141]

I yelled at my phone during this whole doc. This is a holocaust of young girls & it sickens me .

[@ExistenceUniversity]

It's eugenics across the board, it's sterilizing and painfully killing the mentally ill and homosexuals.

[@corrinadeluxe4141]

@@ExistenceUniversity you’re correct. It’s so blatant & most of the world is too brainwashed to care.

[@ExistenceUniversity]

@@corrinadeluxe4141 Sadly, this is how the holocaust happened, people thought the mentally ill and homosexuals and Jews were going to a camp to get help

[@DennisNeijmeijer]

People who bring up the Holocaust in basically ANY discussion lose the argument immediately. It's cheap chock value. Until 6 million transgirls are murdered the Holocaust stands on it's own.

[@ExistenceUniversity]

@@DennisNeijmeijer Ok, I'll only care about homosexuals and the mentally ill being killed (by my government too Canada=MAiD) until it reaches 6 million then I will stop it. Thats how it works right? Trans people can die all day long, but 6 million is where we draw the line?

[@christinadunigan5341]

A few years ago my granddaughters Friend announced that she was trans. My daughter and I sat down with my three granddaughters and explain social contagion and how for a while it was cutting, for a while with anorexia, for a while it was multiple personalities, and now it’s being trans. We recommended that they continue to love their friend, but just try to downplay all the trans stuff because she will surely outgrow it by the time she’s 25 or so. Well, she outgrew it by age 17. Fortunately no permanent damage was done.

[@pattyrooney1323]

Thank you for exposing the harm done by so called medical professionals.

[@snow4summer515]

I really like how fact-based this is not "no one should transition" or "anyone should transition" that is all we have been hearing for the last couple years this is actually nuanced how do we make treatment better? that how this discussion should be.

[@Jackjohnjay]

These poor girls. They were so beautiful and healthy. The system FAILED them.

[@hestercorner-smith7499]

Sametti you are gorgeous, elegant, soft and erudite. I wish you did not have to experience the pain that touched you. I live with hideous physical side effects from a medication I have to take due to illness. one side effect I can never tell people because it is so dehumanising and embarrassing. I am not a trans person or a detransitioned person, however listening to your story of life detransitioned, I feel empathy and feel heard. Being so young like we are, living with medical and mental predicaments many people will not understand is a lonely experience. Our innocence walks away from us. Well, that's how I feel. P.S - Your fashion sense is just lovely

[@mfoltz3720]

Girls transition to escape misogyny. Boys transition to embrace it.

[@eznosnopes5276]

Utter nonsense. So boys want to become women to be treated hatefully? Are you saying that trans people aren’t real it’s just misogyny at the root? Sounds pretty TERF.

[@mfoltz3720]

@@eznosnopes5276 no, they want to transition because they are turned on by the thought of themselves as a woman. It’s called autogynephilia, look it up. Oh and we know trans people exist, they are r@ping, impregnating and killing women in Riker’s Island. Why don’t you think women and girls should get to EXIST safely in society? We aren’t goddamn human shields or emotional support animals for trans. Foh and educate YOURSELF.

[@fullup91]

That's an over generalisation.

[@hyedefinition1080]

Can we stop being a victim and be grateful to be alive? Do you really think the world is misogynistic and majority of men hate women? Fathers hating their daughters? It really is the opposite, women wanting men to disappear.

[@mfoltz3720]

@@hyedefinition1080 wth are you talking about?! We’re talking about a tiny fraction of the population here, so you’re going to have to show me where I said ALL people feel this way. Also, where did I mention anything about me being a victim? Many FTM have suffered sexual aßuse of some kind. That’s why I said that. Again, do some research for yourself.

[@leandabee]

I implore everyone to please watch Jordan Peterson's interview with Chloe Cole, who is a girl who transitioned to a boy and back again. It is such a heartbreaking story 💔 😢 . This is all about money making for pharmaceuticals and the medical industry 😠, I hope they sue them into obliteration!!

[@magpiegirl3783]

Chloe is a really amazing young woman. I haven’t see that interview but saw her speaking on a podcast and mentioning her experience with Jordan Peterson. She said he was inspiring and she learned a lot from him.

[@khm2128]

Some people think Chloe is a natal boy. There is something strange about that person. Not sure what the motivation could be for faking detransing.

[@farahrizvi6634]

A child can’t drink alcohol, can’t drive or get married but they are allowed to change their sex. Absolutely disgusting

[@wisdomoftheearlychristians2037]

I live in the U.S., and so I cannot address how teens or young adults feel or are treated in other countries. I can only speak about what is happening here. I remember being a teen. I remember trends coming and going. I remember when we all died our hair pink or purple. I remember when everyone had barbed wire tattoos on their arms; belly button piercings. The problem is that these trends are becoming more and more permanent; and I think the more permanent something is, and the more ramifications it may have long term, the more time should be invested in being absolutely sure it is the right thing. This is not like telling your parents you want to learn violin, and so they buy you a Stradivarius violin, and you decide after 6 months, you are tired of violin. They can resell the violin. You, however, cannot get back organs you chop off or medications you take which may cause a permanent illness, like cancer. The biggest concern I have with this is how many girls want to be boys. I know one girl who never had any interest in being a boy, and never expressed any concerns with her body until she was almost done with puberty. With TikTok and Instagram video filters that are making women look more and more unrealistically beautiful, many girls feel they cannot possibly compete. This particular girl of whom I am speaking, deep down doesn't really want to be a boy. She just wants to date attractive sexy men. Because she is a rather masculine looking, flat chested girl, and is not pretty enough to get asked out and get any dates, she feels that by becoming a FTM transgender it will solve all of her problems. Instead of people pitying her for being a homely girl, she will be admired for being a trendsetting transgender, and then be considered gay and get to date the really hot homosexual guys who won't date girls. She is looking at it as a way to beat the system. In stead of being an ugly duckling who can't compete with the other girls, and gets pity; she is a courageous nonconformist who will get the hot guys by being gay. (the thing is she isn't really gay, and deep down doesn't feel she is in the wrong body. She is just using a creative way to solve an age old problem: how to get the opposite sex to notice you.) Maybe 40 years ago, she would have gotten breast implants, a nose job, and other plastic surgery to become a prettier girl; now, because it's trendy, she thinks it's easier to just become a boy, because it is fairly common that homosexual men usually dress well, are more handsome and take care of their bodies and work out: so for her, it is win/win. I think it is a train wreck waiting to happen, and I wonder how many other girls are looking at this situation in the exact same way; especially these rapid onset cases.

[@snowbunny783]

It’s so sad what’s happening. The unfortunate part regarding the girl in your story is that most homosexual men don’t want to date trans men. And governments trying to force homosexuals to date trans people is the biggest push for homophobia I’ve ever seen.

[@billyb4790]

it's not the individuals who are sick. It's the society.

[@mayloo2137]

Both are sick.

[@PlampinUK]

Thank you for posting what feels like a nuanced, respectful and intelligent film on this subject.

[@MrsYasha1984]

Oh my, Sametti is amazing! We've seen less of Mika, but I'm so glad for both they a e going this hard way of detransitioning. I wish both the very best on their journey and whole life, and may God bless them! It is beyond evil to sterilize our girls...

[@tarulinden8295]

Sounds like a conspiracy to sterilize girls the way you put it. It's not like anyone (in general) wanted to do that, it was a mistake by all concerned thinking they were a man (in their head, in a permanent sort of way). Can't really say if there was a problem with the treatment, with the facts they had at the time, without all the details.

[@evgenyonishkevich8494]

17:50 “the patient has to leave in their bodies not us” perfectly illustrated the situation..

[@siobhanodwyer8445]

Well done for showing our youth the outcome of this damaging cult , I hated my breasts growing in the 80’s , perhaps if we have had the internet back then, I would have been binding my breasts or worse , who knows? Lucky for me I went on to having children and breastfeed , it pains me to see what is happening in the world to our kids

[@ellentuthill1800]

Exactly -- when the idiotic male doctor said, "If she is tormented by her breasts...," I thought..."Sir, you have just demonstrated why no men should be allowed near these young girls. We are ALL tormented by them at first. The transition from being a little girl to an adult is traumatic but we all get through it because we recognize eventually that our bodies are BEAUTIFUL and powerful. Instead of "affirming" that being female is a "torment", these misogynists need to wake up and start telling young women the miraculous uniqueness, efficiency, and beauty of the adult female body -- stop leading young girls to chop off their defining physical features, you sick old men! 🤕

[@teeciewalk]

I did too. I think it’s normal to feel uncomfortable as your body changes because it’s new. I was a tomboy so I always hung with the guys. When my body began to change I was not happy because then I was different. I’m so glad I didn’t grow up in this generation. I love being a woman.

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

Yes I went on from feeling I might be a boy in childhood and puberty to having two kids that I breastfed too. I really think that these kids do need help for a variety of reasons but gender isn't really one of them, do they not see its a symptom of other, underlying problems? You are very wise and I am glad you went on to be a mum (granny in my case) too! All of us feel strange during puberty and teens and I was an undiagnosed Aspergers kid because they thought it was just boys in the 50s and 60s, it haunts me to think this could have happened to me. When I was young, there were hardly any trans people, I know two from my age group and one person you used to occasionally see around Aberdeen who was very difficult to say what sex they were but that was in the early 60s and I don't think they were trans as we know it, rather a possible hermaphrodite because they had a tall, man's body but had curves where men don't and a very female face. It must have been awful back then. The two people I do know who transitioned successfully were boys to girls and both are still happy with their gender reassignment and have been singe the late 70s. I think the fact that I only know 2 over a 60 year period, where most of my friends were gay men, says something. It isn't 'normal' to change sex like this and, the ones that do successfully, are usually living lives as the new gender long before they have any surgery. I don't think doctors are in any way doing the right thing giving in to patient pressure. I think all these so called psychiatrists and psychologists in this film should be struck off and face criminal charges. Like I said in my comment originally, it's like going in and saying you can't be happy unless you got Fentanyl or something similar and the doctor giving it to you. It's criminal.

[@phoenixkali]

Same here , I wanted my breasts removed because I started budding early but wasn't mentally or emotionally equipped to deal with the leering of adult males. I was frightened to go out in case I got abducted, and there was child abuse at home, and I was bullied at school there was no safe haven. The fact that our children are so brainwashed is that they're already going through the biggest transition of their lives, from childhood to adulthood. Both sexes get it equally bad but the experience is subjective. There was a massive spike of anorexia and bulimia in teens in the 80s, further pushed by models in the media that looked like heroin addicts and ambiguous in their gender. It's carried on since then in its various forms and fluctuated today fat appreciation as a backlash but no middle ground for real people therefore no realistic role models.

[@cathytilford388]

Exactly, none of these issues for girls have been addressed. Instead, skip over to trans as a solution.

[@heikejohannajahns3257]

We were on that slippery path with our then 12-year-old daughter. I still get chills, we were lucky, she drew back. The increase is caused by media. 1. Tiktok is an ad show for mental illness and gender issues. 2. There is a gigantic beauty pressure on the girls, mainly due to instagram. If you feel you are not pretty enough, you consider transitioning to have better chances on the market. My daughtet was a bit overweight, that was her reason to wanting become a boy. She is now 17 and happy as a young woman. What a nightmare!

[@zengjanezhu]

I have a friend whose daughter literally starved herself to hospitalizations,, not once, three times. It seemed that all the girls I knew during puberty had emotional issues, while I knew no boys did.

[@heikejohannajahns3257]

@@zengjanezhu Boys have other problems, it is more gaming, school decrease and loneliness. But you are right, in clinical situations you find more girls than boys. Regards from Germany to ?, and have a nice sunny Saturday!

[@Epiphanystone]

I feel like there was such a trend of transgender the last 6years when actually being transgender is a very rare neurological divergence. I’m a trans woman and I have received so much hate and negativity for talking about this. They were just giving hormones to anyone, without the former protocols of intensive therapy. They changed everything to open access potentially life altering medications.

[@sheribrougham4863]

Well I for one totally believe you. When you are definately born in the wrong gender it is rare. For those this happens to and transition into who they truly are is a beautiful thing to watch. The rest of this nonsense going on is a class action suit waiting to happen. I applaud you for speaking up.

[@louisadpearce-thevoicesanc6080]

Thanking you for your lived experience perspective... it helps create important context and nuance 🙏

[@L3ttucePr3y]

I am a CIS woman who takes a micro dose of testosterone for libido (Yes, it works amazingly). I find it hilarious how difficult it was for me to obtain my T prescription. Had I just lied and said I was trans I wouldn't have struggled at all 😂

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

This is like watching a dystopian horror film. 😩☹️

[@louisecook6483]

Our sex is recorded at birth through doctors observation, we are not assigned anything at birth, it's a rediculous statement. There is short term Dysphoria is a common phenomenon in pre-pubescent and pubescent children especially girls but those with it are affirmed and started on the drugs and booker into surgery , when the dysphoria dissipates after puberty by then it's too late and they have started going down the route which ends up destroying lives.

[@tarulinden8295]

That's what the assigning is, doctors, midwives or such saying so. They don't know for sure by just observing, looks can be deceiving or ambiguous. In most cases it's right. You would be right in that the sex is already there and doesn't appear on command though if that was your meaning. "What is sex assignment at birth? In the majority of births, a relative, midwife, nurse or physician inspects the genitalia when the baby is delivered, and sex and gender are assigned, without the expectation of ambiguity. Assignment may also be done prior to birth through prenatal sex discernment. Sex assignment at birth usually aligns with a child's anatomical and biological sex." See, there's the sex in the chromosomes - that doesn't always match with what ends up as anatomical sex. Then there are the intersex with different chromosome combinations. And you only know the gender for sure when the child grows up and can tell you.

[@zephsmith3499]

@@tarulinden8295 Let's break down some of the that. In an overwhelming majority of cases, biological *sex* is correctly observed at birth. In a very small number of cases (say around 0.04% of births), there is genuine ambiguity, which is also observed and described as intersex. (Any figure approaching 1% deceptively lumps in non-ambiguous disorders of sexual development like a male whose urethra exits other than at the normal place, but whose sex is not in question thereby). In an even smaller fraction of cases, there can be completely hidden conditions which are anomalous in various ways not observed at birth. That has very little to do with your later statement that you only know the *gender* for sure when the child grows up and can tell you. If gender is more subjective and consists of feelings rather than bodies, then it cannot be observed at birth. And yes, I agree that it's good to wait for a child to grow up before accepting their self perception as stable and meaningful, because many people have gone through stages of gender dysphoria during childhood before it resolved, and children can become (temporarily) attached to a number of counter-factual ideas (much less subjective assessments). Unless we *consistently* distinguish between sex and gender, there's no hope of successful communication. And part of that is not bringing in intersex when the issue is gender rather than sex. Just leave them out. Most intersex people do NOT want their issues mingled in, and do not feel that their actual interests are represented by doing so - they are being used as pawns in a different issue, by people who know and care nothing about them, but just want to use them to make points in a different political context. Just stop; it's not treating people with respect. One can identify as a gender which is not associated with one's physical sex (eg: a female bodied person could identify with the masculine gender, or as non-binary), without bringing in any irrelevant issues of intersex, which is not involved in the vast majority of trans issues. A proper statement might be that "objective sex is observed at birth, but a person's subjective gender in a small number of cases may eventually differ from their biological sex", and one might advocate for more understanding and better treatment of those cases where that happens. There will still be discussion and controversy, as not everybody will agree about the details. But if we are more careful to always distinguish objective sex (and any ambiguities or disagreements about that) from subjective gender (and any ambiguities or disagreements about that), we can at least have some hope of constructive conversation on the latter. If we mingle these two things into a mush, or tactically switch terms back and forth for rhetorical advantage, there is little hope of producing more illumination.

[@Sarahpreecenelsonnz]

@@tarulinden8295 are you aware of miniscule proportion of people who are born as you describe? Where their genitalia is an ambiguous determinant of chromosomal construct. I am a midwife. I never 'assigned' any gender to any baby born. I observed their external genitalia and made record of it; male (as distinguished by the presence of a penis) or female (as distinguished by the presence of labia). The whole point of 'examining' a baby at birth (unfortunately in the medical model of childbirth) is to identify any potential abnormalities, including ambiguous genitalia, which is rarely seen. Sex is not assigned at birth by observers. It is determined at conception by biology. Xx or Xy. What you have said is manifestly mis-taken "you only know the gender for sure when the child grows up and can tell you". this is woke BS. And it's acceptance and promulgation is the cause of great and disgusting harm.

[@Indi3R]

you are wrong

[@Indi3R]

@@Sarahpreecenelsonnz the only harm been done is by transphobic haters who would prefer we dont exist

[@trolareca]

Documentaries like this one are so important… thank you.

[@user-VIntuitive]

I have news for everyone… even the most beautiful person in the world feels out of place with their bodies. But you can’t change what can’t be changed. Self esteem is what the therapists and doctors need to focus on . Not cutting up bodies of perfectly healthy people. That will never make you the opposite sex, ever! You need to be happy with what you have and try to work with you body in ways that make you feel well. There’s no such thing as gender identity. You are born how you were born. To change is is a sign of self loathing and self hatred. Love yourself how you were born because that’s how you will always be.

[@TheSapphire51]

Treat them for body dysmorphic disorder, i.e. for what it is. Nothing ethical about double mastectomy for teenagers. The professionals here need to be held accoubtable.

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Exactly. It’s like giving someone with anorexia liposuction.

[@ustanchy869]

Gender dysphoria is the complete opposite of body dysmorphia. Are you sure you're knowledgeable enough to be spouting your baseless opinions on this topic? Especially when you don't know the very obvious and basic difference between dysphoria and dysmorphia? You people are incapable of critical thought, it seems.

[@TheSapphire51]

@@ustanchy869 I happen to think that there are elements of both in each of these diagnoses and its a known fact that gender dysphoria is a go to diagnosis these days when there are often other issues which are overlooked. You obviously have a black and white view of these things which my opinion is too rigid.

[@grizzmax]

I think it should also be suspected, that many of those who say they are "happy with the results" are actually afraid to admit to themselves that they made a big mistake.

[@elisabethandersen1102]

Absolutely, plus they'll be hounded and bullied by the rabid pro-trans followers

[@JT-iw2cw]

"You can't change someone's brain", says the doctor. Who went to primary school for 13 years, another 8 of secondary after that, then a couple years of residency to acquire their credentials to practice medicine. Has his capacity for thought progressed passed his infancy? Has his brain changed any, has he lost his capacity for reasoning?

[@mre7550]

Children must be protected from this madness