Swift Model B: For Training and Pranks

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As World War 2 exploded in Europe, rifle training suddenly because a very important topic in Great Britain. Typical solutions are small bore rimfire training variants of service rifles, but the British also wanted an option that could be used indoors and without any actual ammunition expenditure - and the Swift training rifle was the answer.
The Swift is a trainer the same size, weight, and balance as a Pattern 1914 Enfield rifle (and close enough to the No4 Enfield as to be quite usable). When “fired”, it projects a captive spring-loaded needle about an inch forward of the muzzle. It was coupled with a target from and paper targets depicting either plain silhouette targets or sketches of battlefields with enemy soldiers in various locations. The trainee would aim and fire, and the needle would prick a hole in the paper target at the simulated point of impact. In theory, this allowed for basic marksmanship training without noise, cost, or recoil.
The Swift trainers were well thought out, incorporating features like a spring loaded buttplate which would only allow the trigger to function if the rifle was pulled firmly into the shoulder. The mechanism was cocked by cycling the bolt, of course, but it specifically had to the cycled all the way back, to train shooters against short-stoking the mechanism. The force required to cycle the bolt forward was the same as that of a real rifle’s action, and the sight picture was also the same. In theory, it was an very good tool.
In practice, it was considered a joke by British soldiers and officers - much more useful for pranks played on companions bending over than for any sort of marksmanship training. The true potential of the device is probably somewhere in between the views of those officers and the Swift company designers.
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@williamrance5086
@williamrance5086 7 жыл бұрын
Oh, boy! Sixty years on, and, a lot of faded memories, and, I'm absolutely amazed to be re-acquainted with this practice rifle. I was a 15 year old Air Cadet in Preston Lancashire in the UK. We had one in the armoury, along with Lee-Enfields' and a Browning 303 from a WW2 Spitfire, or, Hurricane. We were trained on this Swift rifle before being allowed to go out on the range to use the Lee-Enfield. We kids enjoyed the Swift to bits! Preferring to use that than go out on the range. We used bulls-eye targets to 220 yard scale - it proved to be very accurate and familiarised us with the bolt action before using the real thing. The comment about the officers thinking it was a prank were far off the mark, idiotic in their assumptions. But, then, the mentality of British officers from that period, I'm not surprised! Most of them came from so called upper class families with not an original thought between the ears - let alone know how to use a battle rifle. The Webley revolver was all they cared about. Take it from me, given the chance to own one of these, I'd jump at it - more so, if it came with the frame contraption to hold the gun and target. All these years and I couldn't remember the name of this gun, and now, it's made my day - Thank you Forgotten Weapons - I owe you one! Kindest regards, Bill.
@SteveReynold
@SteveReynold 5 жыл бұрын
William Rance subscribe then
@skooter21108
@skooter21108 5 жыл бұрын
@@SteveReynold no u
@bathwars
@bathwars 5 жыл бұрын
That was really sweet and heartfelt :)
@pastorofmuppets325
@pastorofmuppets325 5 жыл бұрын
Did you ever shoot each other in the bum while acting silly?
@BillM1960
@BillM1960 5 жыл бұрын
Cool story Thanks for sharing!
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 7 жыл бұрын
It's just a few modifications away from being a slow but macho sewing machine.
@rakufin
@rakufin 7 жыл бұрын
That would be the Bren version of this.
@gabenplznerf1093
@gabenplznerf1093 7 жыл бұрын
+OgreSwordsman[FIN] oh my god that would be hilarious.
@KrisKrieg1
@KrisKrieg1 7 жыл бұрын
agreed
@pumpjackmcgee4267
@pumpjackmcgee4267 7 жыл бұрын
That, or getting a very manly tattoo. Over the course of a solid week.
@KrisKrieg1
@KrisKrieg1 7 жыл бұрын
PumpJack McGee Ouch.
@Giganfan2k1
@Giganfan2k1 6 жыл бұрын
"On paper this is an effective tool"... I see what you did there. :P
@HanamiChan33
@HanamiChan33 5 жыл бұрын
Sum Arbor your 100th like xD
@diggLincoln
@diggLincoln 4 жыл бұрын
Sum Arbor lmfao
@bobsagget823
@bobsagget823 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, boy! Sixty years on, and, a lot of faded memories, and, I'm absolutely amazed to be re-acquainted with this practice rifle. I was a 15 year old Air Cadet in Preston Lancashire in the UK. We had one in the armoury, along with Lee-Enfields' and a Browning 303 from a WW2 Spitfire, or, Hurricane. We were trained on this Swift rifle before being allowed to go out on the range to use the Lee-Enfield. We kids enjoyed the Swift to bits! Preferring to use that than go out on the range. We used bulls-eye targets to 220 yard scale - it proved to be very accurate and familiarised us with the bolt action before using the real thing. The comment about the officers thinking it was a prank were far off the mark, idiotic in their assumptions. But, then, the mentality of British officers from that period, I'm not surprised! Most of them came from so called upper class families with not an original thought between the ears - let alone know how to use a battle rifle. The Webley revolver was all they cared about. Take it from me, given the chance to own one of these, I'd jump at it - more so, if it came with the frame contraption to hold the gun and target. All these years and I couldn't remember the name of this gun, and now, it's made my day - Thank you Forgotten Weapons - I owe you one! Kindest regards, Bill.
@MichaelClarke147
@MichaelClarke147 4 жыл бұрын
bobsagget823 you just copied this from another person
@minced_feet_pie
@minced_feet_pie 4 жыл бұрын
bobsagget823 why did you even comment it under here
@fatshadow2062
@fatshadow2062 7 жыл бұрын
The horror of seeing this ... this ... the weapon responsible for the great balloon massacre of 1946. We miss you pops.
@snaek2594
@snaek2594 7 жыл бұрын
This is the very same gun that brought down the Hindenburg.
@MrSheckstr
@MrSheckstr 7 жыл бұрын
You named a balloon “Pops”.....?
@Pcm979
@Pcm979 6 жыл бұрын
It was really more of a prediction than a name.
@Timtebowofficial
@Timtebowofficial 6 жыл бұрын
FATshadow o
@h.plovecat4307
@h.plovecat4307 5 жыл бұрын
Pennywise wept.
@workingguy-OU812
@workingguy-OU812 7 жыл бұрын
Finally! A rifle I can afford to shoot on a regular basis!
@DFX2KX
@DFX2KX 7 жыл бұрын
You and me both.
@joedingo7022
@joedingo7022 6 жыл бұрын
There's this thing called a .177...
@georgeghleung
@georgeghleung 5 жыл бұрын
@@joedingo7022 Maybe the guy is in Canada?
@ironmatic1
@ironmatic1 5 жыл бұрын
@Anton Lanthier Ah yes those traditional copper, steel, or aluminum musket balls.
@yuriismywaifu203
@yuriismywaifu203 4 жыл бұрын
@@joedingo7022 .177, like a pellet gun or a .17 hmr?
@anthonydriver7607
@anthonydriver7607 2 жыл бұрын
We found one of these in an armory while I was in basic in 2005, once we figured out what it did, it didn't take us long to start the pranks. Some things never change I guess.
@ollilehtonen6351
@ollilehtonen6351 7 жыл бұрын
This is an action movie rifle: No recoil and there's never a need for reloading
@brabhamfreaman166
@brabhamfreaman166 7 жыл бұрын
It's like the first ever VR shooting 'game'!
@BitchyBoxxy
@BitchyBoxxy 7 жыл бұрын
+largol33t1 no I think grandpa just used the 12 gauge.
@orangejoe204
@orangejoe204 6 жыл бұрын
They had a slightly less ridiculous (but similar) thing called the Weaponeer at Fort Benning. We all thought it was pretty hilarious in 2003.
@thebrettyouneed178
@thebrettyouneed178 4 жыл бұрын
Intrestingly not, there is a light gun shooter from 1936 called ray-o-lite that is claiming this title
@emperorspock3506
@emperorspock3506 7 жыл бұрын
(lot removed from auction) - the commissioner became aware of all the bum-pricking potential with this thing.
@andyn46
@andyn46 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine that it might not be a good idea to auction off a used needle if I’m being honest. It probably had its fair share of blood transmission during its lifespan. I agree with Ian though, it is a cool idea in theory but at the end of the day boys will be boys and Swift should have seen this was going to be inevitable
@terminator3000
@terminator3000 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyn46 come on - how old is that blood?
@Zorak1988
@Zorak1988 7 жыл бұрын
This is my sewing machine! There are many like it, but this one is mine!
@толькокино-е6ы
@толькокино-е6ы 4 жыл бұрын
best one
@hydorah
@hydorah 6 жыл бұрын
The British officers who dismissed this rifle were just butt hurt...
@Artyomthewalrus
@Artyomthewalrus 5 жыл бұрын
No, but their trainees were
@michaeltheoret8913
@michaeltheoret8913 4 жыл бұрын
This Training Rifle sure got to The POINT and was a SHARP idea, so why POKE fun of It ? I'll stop now because trying to find more puns regarding This Training Rifle has me on PINS and NEEDLES . LoL !!!
@colinsmyth9211
@colinsmyth9211 7 жыл бұрын
4:47 Joking around + Swift training rifle model B = Hepititis B
@brucelee3388
@brucelee3388 7 жыл бұрын
Tetanus would be a much higher risk than Hepatitis A or B - 'B' is actually pretty fragile, Hep A and Tetanus can survive quite well in the soil, water or on rough surfaces.
@TheAmazingCowpig
@TheAmazingCowpig 7 жыл бұрын
Clearly they did not realize the biological warfare potential of this device.
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know right
@Pouk3D
@Pouk3D 7 жыл бұрын
For the Hepatitis A you'd need a Model A.
@josephpete1833
@josephpete1833 7 жыл бұрын
Add wings to it, KGB umbrella to inject Ricin. imho
@alphapennsylvania9439
@alphapennsylvania9439 7 жыл бұрын
Jack Churchill once held a entire German division With a swift training rifle model B.
@alphapennsylvania9439
@alphapennsylvania9439 7 жыл бұрын
I heard they needed another coffin for his balls.
@hjorturerlend
@hjorturerlend 7 жыл бұрын
Broadsword, not a sabre.
@SilentRazor1uk
@SilentRazor1uk 7 жыл бұрын
+A. Lampman, you are truthfully correct, not saying that some very immoral things did not happen, and was done, but that some (to many) of the losses were not only from one sides perspective lumped in together with the guilted.
@robbiedickson3386
@robbiedickson3386 7 жыл бұрын
*scots broadsword
@codypainter3905
@codypainter3905 7 жыл бұрын
that dude was a fucking badass, he owns the most resent confirmed kill with a bow btw
@EyesadriftVA
@EyesadriftVA 7 жыл бұрын
At 9:59 you can actually see Ian contemplating bidding on the training rifle. heh.
@grigorirasputin5020
@grigorirasputin5020 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Joseph I bet Ian wrestles with that temptation far more than do most people. I guess that would be a downside to an otherwise awesome job.
@demonstructie
@demonstructie 6 жыл бұрын
I went to look in the video description how much this went for and it says "lot removed from auction" - could Ian have snapped it up before the auction??
@Jakob_Price
@Jakob_Price 6 жыл бұрын
@@demonstructie you do realize this was uploaded in 2017?
@Abdega
@Abdega 6 жыл бұрын
@XxRidonkulous5xX Guess that means it was sold a year ago, does it say anything else if it was sold?
@SteveReynold
@SteveReynold 5 жыл бұрын
Abdega right in the description it says date sold and sell price. Lot removed from auction means the seller opted not to sell.
@jackmcslay
@jackmcslay 7 жыл бұрын
Does that really count as a dry fire if it does exactly what it's meant to do? Too bad they didn't think of pitching the idea to toy companies, I think kids back in the day would have enjoyed shooting it
@C4ndleJ4ck
@C4ndleJ4ck 7 жыл бұрын
I think that as long as it's doing what it's designed to do, it isn't strictly a dry fire? I know that the reason dry firing is generally considered a bad thing to do is because the firing mechanism is designed to strike a primer. If there is no primer there, the energy of the firing mechanism has nothing to transfer to and potentially causes stress to the firing mechanism. The best example I know of when it comes to dry firing no-nos is a bow or crossbow; without an arrow to dampen the energy that the limbs are releasing, that energy is dispersed back into the bow itself instead of into accelerating and flexing an arrow and can cause damage to the bow.
@longdarkrideatnight
@longdarkrideatnight 7 жыл бұрын
I think that is a good point, often the learning objectives of a teaching tool are not transmitted to the teaching staff, (or vice versa). This sounds like a classic case of not using the tool as intended then wondering why it does not work.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 7 жыл бұрын
I belive they did,. I've seen one in a box that was more of a childs toy display on the front.
@HomeTownSaskatchewan
@HomeTownSaskatchewan 7 жыл бұрын
Charles Puffer
@Abdega
@Abdega 7 жыл бұрын
MrcabooseVG Should have brought it to 'Murica!
@fitteritout3622
@fitteritout3622 7 жыл бұрын
I could only imagine how many fist fights that thing caused?
@jasoncastleberry5905
@jasoncastleberry5905 7 жыл бұрын
fitter it out bad punctuation
@FroggyMosh
@FroggyMosh 5 жыл бұрын
@@jasoncastleberry5905 Yours ain't any better. :P
@jasoncastleberry5905
@jasoncastleberry5905 5 жыл бұрын
@@FroggyMosh r/woooooooosh
@nf4866
@nf4866 5 жыл бұрын
@@jasoncastleberry5905 I'm impressed that you waited an entire year for that wooooosh
@jasoncastleberry5905
@jasoncastleberry5905 5 жыл бұрын
@@nf4866 good one but not actually close to the right date
@danielhurst8863
@danielhurst8863 2 жыл бұрын
Having taught more than a few people how to shoot a rifle, I disagree that it wouldn't be useful. For those wholly unaccustomed holding a rifle, this gives you a safe method to learn proper technique, including use of the bolt and trigger control, check weld, etc. I think it was poorly received, because the officers were familiar with a firearm, and had a hard time understanding that basic concepts can be hard for people to grasp when unfamiliar with a tool. The officers were unable to view the tool from the perspective of a true novice.
@duneydan7993
@duneydan7993 3 жыл бұрын
When I showed him the video, my dad told me he and his men used the same system while training with their Scorpion. Not the SMG! Their FV-101 Scorpion TANK!
@Simon_Nonymous
@Simon_Nonymous 7 жыл бұрын
I was allowed to use on in a regimental museum in Sheffield when I was a lad; just feeling the weight of a service rifle, and using a steady hold was hard. Maybe there are better ways today to train without firing live rounds but for training those who have never held a rifle... A lovely bit of nostalgia for me Ian - thank you.
@Osentalka
@Osentalka 7 жыл бұрын
The extra blade that was missing is interesting. Doesn't it mean that the training rifle was actually designed to provide more information to an Instructor than would be evident with a real weapon?
@TheFlacker99
@TheFlacker99 7 жыл бұрын
That's slightly *more* threatening than a regular rifle.
@blitz3700
@blitz3700 5 жыл бұрын
TheFlacker99 (Flak) mobile bayonet
@InternetEntity
@InternetEntity 5 жыл бұрын
They do not like it up them! Don't like it up 'em, sir, they do not like it!
@svtirefire
@svtirefire 4 жыл бұрын
Why?
@thehummusgavemeaids1596
@thehummusgavemeaids1596 3 жыл бұрын
@@svtirefire Pokey pokey make go "oww"
@Neverlietoapie
@Neverlietoapie 7 жыл бұрын
You could tattoo with this if you're an absolute madman.
@dongargon763
@dongargon763 4 жыл бұрын
Neverlietoapie you’d need a full auto version maybe a sten practice gun and some ink ,alpha male tattoo shop LLC ,lol
@flyingninja1234
@flyingninja1234 7 жыл бұрын
As far as pranking goes, that would hurt!
@elektro3000
@elektro3000 7 жыл бұрын
The needle's bad enough, but that spade thing below it to check alignment...Jesus, that's thing looks like you'd need a few stitches afterwards!
@jasondoe2596
@jasondoe2596 7 жыл бұрын
elektro3000 ...ouch D:
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it would be a laugh to play with (and a nice add to any lee Enfield collection!)
@Snubrevolver
@Snubrevolver 7 жыл бұрын
Jerry Long it's all fun and games until someone gets hep b
@Soniti1324
@Soniti1324 7 жыл бұрын
If everyone has Hep B, nobody has Hep B.
@onebladeprop
@onebladeprop 6 жыл бұрын
It really seems like a precursor to modern laser training systems. Small space, low noise, and focused on fundamentals. It won't replace live fire training but it would give you something to build off of.
@williamgregory8139
@williamgregory8139 4 жыл бұрын
I owned one of these when I was 14 years old, I can’t remember where it came from but I had lots of fun playing soldiers with it. When I broke the stock on my BSA .177 air rifle my dad took the stock from the Swift and reshaped it to fit the BSA. This was in 1957, happy memories.
@MrHws5mp
@MrHws5mp 7 жыл бұрын
So can you still get the ammunition?
@MrHws5mp
@MrHws5mp 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed - so much information missing from this video. I think we need a range test on Full30 to establish important things like the accuracy, recoil, etc...
@hakari5014
@hakari5014 7 жыл бұрын
Does it accept Glock magazines?
@PorchPotatoMike
@PorchPotatoMike 7 жыл бұрын
Put a pistol grip on it and it would be banned in California.
@memepolice7964
@memepolice7964 7 жыл бұрын
Pekka Rastas that's the joke
@garywheeler7039
@garywheeler7039 7 жыл бұрын
Any criminal can fire this 20 times without reloading! Save the children!
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 7 жыл бұрын
This is interesting to me especially, because my friend across the street from me had a toy I'd never seen before or since. His fathers family was from the Philippines, and his mother was Japanese (one of those weird post-war relationships). We lived as neighbors from about 1969 to 1971 or so. I think I had just started Kindergarten. At any rate - he had this toy "shooting gallery" that was basically the same principal in that it used a spring-loaded needle to poke holes in paper targets. The difference was that the needle mechanism was mounted in the target frame behind the slide-in targets, and was attached to a long "operating rod" that went into the base of the "gun", which was a pistol. The "grip" of the pistol was mounted on a ball joint, in a frame that attached the pistol and target frame together. Through this joint the "operating rod" moved after making a 90 degree bend at the grip base and then again to come up behind the target frame. I believe the spring power was all contained in the "pistol". But it was a lot of fun - the distance of the toy overall was about two feet long, and IIRC the needle was pretty accurately lined up with the molded sights on the gun. I believe the toy was from Japan, and it was almost completely made of brightly colored plastic. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I've tried doing internet searches for it from time to time, but apparently my Google-Fu was not strong enough. But it would be fun to get some confirmation of that childhood memory somewhere. :-)
@gabenplznerf1093
@gabenplznerf1093 7 жыл бұрын
"On paper it seems like a good idea" lol the puns
@bob123728
@bob123728 7 жыл бұрын
"Lot removed from Auction" Iiiiiaaaaannn....you kept it, didn't you
@thepenultimateninja5797
@thepenultimateninja5797 6 жыл бұрын
I used something similar to this once. It was at a fairground, and it was an enclosed cabinet with the 'rifle' permanently mounted on a gimbal type device. The shooter looked through some eye holes (like binoculars I suppose) into a pretend shooting gallery with targets. You could aim the 'rifle' by rotating it around on its pivot. Pulling the trigger caused an arm to swing forward and poke a hole in the paper target, in much the same way as an old fashioned typewriter worked. When you had finished, your target would come out of a slot as a souvenir. I remember being very surprised at how small the target was in real life - it had been magnified a great deal by the optics in the eye holes.
@psychologiccallynuts
@psychologiccallynuts 7 жыл бұрын
(lot removed from auction) Swiggity swooty Ian gonna poke yo booty
@Agamemnon2
@Agamemnon2 6 жыл бұрын
This kind of feels like an elegant engineer's solution that failed to solve the problem it was aimed at. Still a really interesting chapter in the history of rifle training.
@patricklonergan3
@patricklonergan3 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, Ian. I live in the UK where the gun laws are...draconian, but I find these videos very educational. A man can dream, cant he?
@killerskillet
@killerskillet 7 жыл бұрын
Toothpick technology has come a long way!
@Mishn0
@Mishn0 6 жыл бұрын
They may have gotten the idea for this from a naval gun trainer from the days before stabilization and gun directors when the guns were fired from local control. The Royal Navy had a device with silhouettes of ships printed on a target which was mounted on a mechanism that moved the target to simulate pitch and roll. The trainee was a few yards away with a gun sight and trigger, cranking the gun up and down and training it to match the pitch and roll. When he pulled the trigger, a device at the target would punch a hole to mark how well the trainee trainer was trained.
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 7 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that it was so badly recieved. It would be interesting to see just how effective something like this would be for a 'day one' training for training large numbers of soldiers very quickly. Legally speaking, in the UK this would fall under RIF and be banned for general use. Yay, uk law....
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 7 жыл бұрын
But if the needle where to fly out it would be an air gun and legal despite being much more dangerous.
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 7 жыл бұрын
YEP, THAT'S A THING. *Sigh*
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 7 жыл бұрын
@Laird, A "RIF" or Realistic Imitation Firearm is the legal name for an object that LOOKS like a firearm but is not classified legally as 'lethal'. RIFs are banned to the general public, but are permitted to individuals with a valid exemption, such as airsofters, re-enactors, movie/theatre productions and museums. An 'Air rifle' is legally classified as 'lethal' and can be bought over the counter by anyone over the age of 18. Certain things preclude something from being a RIF, such as being really tiny (like an action man gun), being brightly coloured (making it an IF rather than a RIF) or being a replica of a design from before 1870 (for some reason) All this in a country where the only gun crime is by gangs shooting at other gangs with smuggled pistols.
@MrJimheeren
@MrJimheeren 7 жыл бұрын
EDSKaR that last sentence is exactly why gun bans work in the U.K. And Europe. While I do like guns, the technique and history I'm very glad the only shootings we have are dumb tugs shooting each other once in a while (not counting in terror attacks like Paris)
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 7 жыл бұрын
Except that gun crime went UP when pistols were outlawed, because law abiding gun owners don't commit crimes, and the criminal element increased smuggling at about that time. Gun crime went DOWN when interpol and the Met ran a campaign to reduce smuggled guns. Gun crime isn't really a thing here because of our culture, not because there are fewer guns about. I hate this debate, I want to move to mars.
@aaronbuckmaster7063
@aaronbuckmaster7063 4 жыл бұрын
Dry firing at targets with snap caps, is still the best for fundamental muscle memory.
@quiglypigly
@quiglypigly 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, how long have you been growing your hair for? Also, how long does it take you to dry all of it? Been asking this forever and yet to get an answer. Love your work man, keep it up!
@michaciozda7463
@michaciozda7463 7 жыл бұрын
The world needs answers :P
@lazy1451
@lazy1451 7 жыл бұрын
Legend has it, Ian's hair is as old as time itself. Why you ask? No matter how long of a period of time you let your hair grow, it will never be as fabulous as his.
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 7 жыл бұрын
Given the length of his hair I would say about a year and a half of growth from what society considers normal male hair to that. But if you look back at his old videos, he has always had long hair. My hair is a similar length, I shaved my head to the skin about two years ago. For drying, it really doesn't take long, air dry in less than 10m, but I use a towel. Of course different peoples hair grows at different rates, and it does depend on what you use to keep it clean (Ians hair is very shiny).
@quiglypigly
@quiglypigly 7 жыл бұрын
Well my hair has been growing for about 3 years and it's a bit longer (and waaay thicker) than Ians, but like you pointed out, it seems like he magically keeps it near the same length. Also, I wish my hair had any chance of air drying. :-/
@Abdega
@Abdega 7 жыл бұрын
As long as he can remember. If he cuts it he loses his strength
@htcooley04
@htcooley04 7 жыл бұрын
"on paper it seems to be..." lol
@shorttimer874
@shorttimer874 5 жыл бұрын
When going through recon school in Ft Knox in the early 70's we had a familiarization training block with the 1911. We didn't actually fire them, but we went through how to disassemble / assemble them and then were taken outside where sheets of paper were taped to the side of the brick building. We then proceeded, with a pencil pushed down the barrel, to shoot at the paper from a couple of inches away, with the pencil making marks on the paper. We never live fired them. This, in spite of the fact that the entry level position on a recon track was observer, with the supposed weapons for the observer being a M60 and a M1911. In fact, we rarely had the manpower for observer's, and the ones we had were given the M60 and a M16, usually with a M203 since the TC would always grab the 1911 for himself.
@TOMahawk207isawsome
@TOMahawk207isawsome 7 жыл бұрын
Really you could say it’s one of the best bayonet trainers of all time
@James-nv3uj
@James-nv3uj 4 жыл бұрын
John Wick could still topple a Government with this.
@bigbrotheriswatching1190
@bigbrotheriswatching1190 4 жыл бұрын
Swift Rifle Company: "Noooooo you can't just use it for jokes, it's a really good training weapon we swear!" Everyone else: "Hah hah, needle go poke."
@Bowfella
@Bowfella 4 жыл бұрын
"A needle sticks out when the trigger is pulled" You can still hear the echoes of the officers yelling.
@labarone8910
@labarone8910 7 жыл бұрын
I've used one of these. I believe they mostly filtered down to Cadet Battalions and TAVR units.It was ideal for 'part-time' soldiers who had no regular range access. I found it very effective personally, greatly assisting the transition to the full size No.4. You have to think 'small people' here, from 12 years old and up. To us, full size rifles weighing 9+ lbs, were huge, and training with the Swift was very useful as we only got to shoot live rounds perhaps twice a year if we were lucky. Interesting find Ian. Thanks for posting..
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 7 жыл бұрын
Swedish Army had a similar training device. It was designed to be installed on a regular m/96 rifle. The "cartridge" part contained the springs and the rear "lock" had the sear. A long push rod transmitted the stroke to a needle device through the barrel.
@monkeymonk2278
@monkeymonk2278 3 жыл бұрын
First rule of bootcamp; don't poke the drill sergeant in the buttocks with sharp objects.
@NineSun001
@NineSun001 3 жыл бұрын
I sometimes call any weapon a "Perforator for long distances" now there seems to be a cqc version too. Tactical office warfare.
@Duckman1616
@Duckman1616 4 жыл бұрын
This actually looks like it'd be fairly easy to make. I'm kind of tempted to try.
@pdallen8355
@pdallen8355 6 жыл бұрын
There was a variant of these built into cabinets, and found in British seaside amusement arcades in the 1970's.
@davestationuk7374
@davestationuk7374 4 жыл бұрын
There was one at our local seaside arcade , then later a version that dropped your target into a little slot for you to take home.
@fathead8933
@fathead8933 7 жыл бұрын
We had something that could be considered a more modern version of this in basic. It was a fake m16 hooked to a video game system with a mock qualification range. It sucked and provided literally no useful training other than being a video game to kill the boredom of nights in basic. Literally the Army's horrible version of duck hunt. There was also a shooting gallery type system that was a little cooler because it had full auto on the selector and had something a little like recoil.
@sillygoose210_6
@sillygoose210_6 7 жыл бұрын
How much force does that needle have? If you put it to someone's forehead would it puncture skull?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
No, but it would make the person very angry.
@Alex-oz9eh
@Alex-oz9eh 7 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons lol
@phantommanass
@phantommanass 7 жыл бұрын
Sillygoose210 _ Anton Chigurh?
@markknife1
@markknife1 7 жыл бұрын
suicide by prank
@Boeing_hitsquad
@Boeing_hitsquad 7 жыл бұрын
not enough of a puncture for suicide . the brain is a resilient thing.. you can lose large portions of your brain without [overtly] ill-effect. ... even straight to the eyeball and you would heal. best this thing can do is transmit a virus... or radioactive poison .. cough *Putin* cough *umbrella* cough *polonium* cough..
@Benedictus899
@Benedictus899 6 жыл бұрын
In basic training, just after getting our rifles for the first time and attending all the necessary lessons, we had to go through a somewhat similar procedure to simulate zeroing, though without a special training rifle such as this one. We were supervised by our instructors so that they could make sure that everyone knew what to do when they arrived at the firing range for the first time.
@nosuchthingasshould4175
@nosuchthingasshould4175 Жыл бұрын
Looks like it would be perfect for a pub game back in the day, they missed a trick for not offering it in such capacity.
@markreeter6227
@markreeter6227 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like an idea inspired from a 1930’s penny amusement arcade game.
@bobgrant-beer3020
@bobgrant-beer3020 7 жыл бұрын
I thought you might be interested to know that quite a few very old English Pubs have 25/30 yard Rifle ranges in them!! How Bloody fantastic is that, Ale 'and' Shooting! Love your channel.
@GreenDayFanMT
@GreenDayFanMT 7 жыл бұрын
Imaging getting a tattoo by this needle , yieks :( :D
@jamespotter3334
@jamespotter3334 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the indoor range we had when I did my basic training. They were gas powered sa80 which worked similar to a laser tag system. They also had sensors in them so they could tell if you were pulling the rifle into your shoulder correctly or if you were snatching at the trigger.
@MrChrisStarr
@MrChrisStarr 7 жыл бұрын
Only last Tuesday I attended a WW1 event aimed at children for the Hertfordshire Regiment in the UK. They had two Swift B's set up for the children to try out. Complete with frames. The targets that where there were infantryman target silhouettes at different ranges. One awkwardness is that when you pull the rifle into your shoulder it drags the whole frame arrangement backwards as well! (The spring safety was disabled so that the kids didn't have to fight the spring!)
@bentonmarcum8509
@bentonmarcum8509 4 жыл бұрын
when i was issued my first m16 in basic training, I looked at the bore and thought it was a training rifle. Then I found out it was the real thing.
@AdamMGTF
@AdamMGTF 3 жыл бұрын
I think this may be the first weapon I've seen on your channel that is legal to buy in the UK for a normal person. Cool little thing
@michaelparker2449
@michaelparker2449 7 жыл бұрын
The first weapon I had any training with was a Bren gun 26 years ago in the army cadets.
@zachwicks93
@zachwicks93 7 жыл бұрын
Ian love your videos, here and on inrange, you are a extremely knowledgeable dude
@calvingreene90
@calvingreene90 5 жыл бұрын
Certainly useful in training people to work the action properly during dry fire training.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 3 жыл бұрын
"Swift Model B: For Training and Tetanus"
@FMFInnovations
@FMFInnovations 7 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos Ian!!! So cool.
@carmatic
@carmatic 7 жыл бұрын
now can you change the mechanism such that the needle doesn't retract back in... and also, could you then replace the needle with a small flag
@timmykookoo
@timmykookoo 5 жыл бұрын
comes with interchangeable "bang" and white flags
@gavtriggs664
@gavtriggs664 5 жыл бұрын
carmatic 😂
@inserttext2412
@inserttext2412 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect for the French
@iandamianluciferwilson7385
@iandamianluciferwilson7385 7 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the point.
@techmetal2964
@techmetal2964 4 жыл бұрын
* extend barrel and puts magazine at front so actual bullets can be hit by pin and Fire
@shawnkennedy7451
@shawnkennedy7451 3 жыл бұрын
Ian - please get a small flashlight to spotlight all of these cool hidden details so we can see better! No more "You can't see it well, but..." Just my $0.02
@oscarfloyd2678
@oscarfloyd2678 7 жыл бұрын
There's a gun store near me that actually has one of these.
@thIDthIRreenactor
@thIDthIRreenactor 3 жыл бұрын
Did you get it
@espositogregory
@espositogregory 4 жыл бұрын
The emphasis on munition preservation cannot be understated during the time these were issued. British; always outsmarting themselves.
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 5 жыл бұрын
The little cartoon with Pilot Officer Prune holding a Swift was published in an official RAF "newsletter" / mini-magazine called "Tee Em" (Training Memoranda). It was part of an "instructional" article on the Swift. TMs are a bit smaller than "letter", (quarto) size and have a grey cover.. I saw a pile of Tee Ems a while ago in a collectors "overflow" stash. I might have to go back and "make inquiries".
@herosstratos
@herosstratos 7 жыл бұрын
Tank gunnery training until the 80s used to use a needle training system based on Honeywell electro-magnetic hydraulic valves as needle poking system. At the muzzle of the gun a down pointing rod with this needle valve was mounted, pointing into the direction of the target.
@JTawesome92
@JTawesome92 3 жыл бұрын
"You have to work from home." Snipers:
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 7 жыл бұрын
Man, I've never seen a tetanus outbreak like this.
@StinkyGringo
@StinkyGringo 7 жыл бұрын
The original laserlyte dry fire trainer lol
@FullSemiAuto357
@FullSemiAuto357 6 жыл бұрын
Saw one of these at a show last weekend. And a Murata. And a Liberator. Drool.
@IRMentat
@IRMentat 7 жыл бұрын
reminds me of the old gun range entertainment machines you used to find on piers.
@harryfaber
@harryfaber 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see a cartoon of PO Prune by Bill Hooper, an original cartoon of his would be worth more than a training rifle! Bill was an airman at RAF Hornchurch who was 'spotted' and became a cartoonist for the RAF, working on various 'safety' publications, notably 'Tee-Emm'.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 7 жыл бұрын
Pilot Officer Prune, was the RAF's equivalent of the US Armies Private SNAFU. I believe there was an attempt to sell a simplified version of this as a kids toy. Rare beast.
@MikeLeFish
@MikeLeFish 5 жыл бұрын
There’s an excellent example of one of these in the Trenchard Museum at the Royal Air Force’s recruit training camp at RAF Halton, complete with targets. Actually quite fun to try! I was thinking to myself “isn’t there supposed to be a second needle?” right up until your title card explaining just that!
@matthewspencer5086
@matthewspencer5086 7 жыл бұрын
There used to be an arcade game slot machine that worked in much the same way as the Swift. I used one at Wicksteed Amusement Park around 1978, though it was already decades old at the time. (The Park dates from Victorian times and the slot machine collection covers a long timespan!) There was a cabinet with a "rifle" sticking out of it. There were target cards with several roundel targets printed on them. There was no sprung buttplate and no cocking, (the "rifle" resembled a Winchester 1994) but a needle punched holes in the target when you pulled the trigger and you got quite a lot of shots for whatever the coin was. (The machine must have been converted to decimal coinage). When your turn was finished, the machine dispensed the used target card for your records! I wonder if the maker of the Swift had anything to do with the maker of the slot machine?
@Kampfmesser89
@Kampfmesser89 6 жыл бұрын
I remember my dad taking me to his office one day and there was something similar in concept to this there. It was an M16 that was a light gun that worked with a television. On the screen was a sort of outdoors scene and black targets (like the ones you'd see at the range) would randomly pop up, and you 'shoot' them.
@gc9887
@gc9887 5 жыл бұрын
Random unrelated telephony history session : On the swift plaque the telephone number is noted as Oxford 2003. Back then, phone numbers were addressed by their switching station and then the actual number. This means that the Swift offices were located in the Oxford region. Eventually, as the number of telephones in service went up, this numbering scheme stopped making sense. That's why today we have letters on our phones's numpads. It was used in the transition period so that people used to call the switching station could just instead type the digit associated to it. In this case, Oxford 2003 probably became something like 6-2003. IIRC at about the same time telephone numbers also went from 4 digits to the 7 digits that was the norm 20 years ago. Today, most people are used to 10 digits number, but for international calls more digits are used for routing. Of course this is just made more complicated with the introduction of ip telephony.
@gunner678
@gunner678 7 жыл бұрын
Better known as a range simulator and there were other devices to aid training in a similar mode ! Necessity is the mother of invention, ammo was needed to defend Britain's shores and every round was required for the regular army! It was more for the Home Guard (Army Auxiliary Reserve) than active army units, and it was used in the absence of weapons and ammo (that were in very short supply in thr early days of the home guard LDV).
@mr.pavone9719
@mr.pavone9719 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh, the foresight and wisdom of the officer corps.
@athodyd
@athodyd 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, a Pilot Officer Prune cartoon! P.O. Prune was sort of the RAF equivalent of Private Snafu so it makes sense he'd be making a nuisance of himself.
@nervigeskind3131
@nervigeskind3131 4 жыл бұрын
When i saw “pranks” I was instantly hooked.
@cross2four
@cross2four 7 жыл бұрын
"On paper, this looks like a really good idea" - I see what you did there, Ian!
@Marvin.Runyon
@Marvin.Runyon 7 жыл бұрын
Very much enjoy these rare and unusual "not actually a gun" item videos. Does the needle articulate by hand without "firing", or is it locked rigid by the mechanism? A flashlight app on your cell phone would serve you well for getting light into places like the needle housing in this video.
@June-gd4mg
@June-gd4mg 7 жыл бұрын
I used to do practice with empty gun when I was in military. To me, that looks like really good idea. I mean that's better than empty gun. And practice is always not enough.
@philp.3978
@philp.3978 7 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a very interesting video. Something I have never seen before. Thanks.
@richs.7373
@richs.7373 5 жыл бұрын
*Sees Enfield Rifle* Cool rifle *Sees needle* OMG that's the most terrifying weapon ever!
@prybarknives
@prybarknives 3 жыл бұрын
"It appeals to the berdy side of me..." *nerdy side of him gets mad and leaves. *there's nothing left.
@phillgizmo8934
@phillgizmo8934 7 жыл бұрын
"Тяжело в учении, легко в бою." - Hard in training, easy in battle. The slogan was used in Red Army and actually the training doctrine was about making the state of the handguns very bad, in order for soldier to learn to overcome difficulties with equipment. That's why the sceptisism about such learning "tool" is very understandable; shooting dots with needle will make you a better needledotshooter, but a real soldier is only that one who has really been in midst of a real heavy war operation. Good military school must work hard enough in order to imitate real war conditions (quite difficult for USA, while the only serious war was its civil one).
@RealNotSoSneaky
@RealNotSoSneaky 4 жыл бұрын
Even though it’s not a firearm, this is a cool little gadget.
@RDeathmark
@RDeathmark 7 жыл бұрын
do you think people give items to the auction house just so you'll do a video on them sometimes with the items that get removed after?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
No, I don't. Typically if an item is removed, it is removed before the consignor has any idea I did a video on it.
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