Swiss Martini "Sniper" Jagdstutzer At 300m (Not A Martini-Henry From Battlefield 1 BF1)

[@FrankMuchnok]

Don't forget that the gunsmith needs to sell his products so some features may be intended to catch the buyer's eye more than serve a truly useful function. They say that a fishing lure doesn't need to catch fish, just the angler's fancy. But your 300m prone group with a rifle you haven't shot much and don't really like isn't too bad.

[@ralphwatten2426]

That's exactly what I thought when I saw that. Or maybe the owner brought it to a Smith and said "can you dress up this rifle a bit". Sure is a beautiful piece though.

[@Haaraff]

I have a Match Stutzer in GP 11 with the original furniture. It still has the original furniture (buttplate with hook, quadrant sight, a stock extension to place your thumb on, and a ball to rest in your supporting hand). If you are interested you can have it on loan for a review, shipped within Switzerland.

[@matt58274]

Seconded. American here with a gp11 chambered Martini that kinda like this but is much plainer. Bubba didnt get to mine, its still long and has the special stock. No clue what it really is but I'd love to see more on swiss Martinis.

[@Rileysworld727]

I can hear the old timers now, "You dont know what hard work is, shoot the rifle and stop complaining"

[@paulfeist]

After shooting an Aydt, and a Swiss Martini, and handling a couple other Martini target rifles at a match, I came to a conclusion... They were designed ONLY for standing. They were designed for a low-elbow position, with the thumb not wrapped over-top of the stock, and to "steer" the rifle with your fingertips on the trigger-guard-fuckery, not use the majority of your hand. I kinda liked it shooting with the set trigger (my own .30-30 Swiss Martini... Yes... .30-30 Winchester. Factory...), but, only standing, and ONLY at the range. I would never want to make that trigger work in the field...

[@mannequinfukr]

What kind of groups do you get with your 30-30 martini? I have a ballard in 30-30 that achieves 1-2 MOA with my handloads I will admit I can't handload for accuracy to save my life

[@paulfeist]

@@mannequinfukr I'm a decent handloader, but I SUCK at casting bullets... so, I have not done better than about 1.25 MOA yet... but, that rifle has been on the "back burner" for quite some time. Might be time to improve my casting game, and try again! Ironically, I had a Win 94 lever action that shot under 3/4 MOA. Yeah, lever guns aren't supposed to shoot that good, right? Sadly, that rifle actually belonged to a friend (I was storing it while he was moving and getting settled). Nothing wrong with the .30-30 cartridge!

[@micahreid5553]

Thats what I thought that scrolly lever looked like it would almost be better as a pistol-grip than trying to actually hold the stock of the rifle

[@michaelwhite9199]

That’s a beautiful rifle. I miss the days when hunting rifles were wood and blued steel. At least in the US it’s ugly plastics, camouflage finishes and matte metal.

[@n1mrod109]

Set triggers are absolutley terrifying. They're like reverse drop safe, and I'm certain they increase the chance of a negligent discharge by tenfold. They also complicate the manual of arms. I once had a fellow hunter confess to me that he pulled the wrong trigger when trying to set it(thankfully it just shot into the dirt). He immediately got rid of the gun. Another tried to set a double set trigger of a loaned rifle like a single set trigger by pushing the rear trigger forward. This would normally fire the gun but thankfully he was just dry firing. I've also heard of the reverse happening with a single set trigger on a combination gun, where pulling the rear trigger just fires a different barrel. Considering that I shoot worse with them, I don't even know why these exist.

[@ericfrey1180]

I actually have a bit of advice on this - keep your firing finger lightly against the front of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire. once you have your POI, sharply bring it back but not with a lot of force. you basically have to treat the trigger like a touch pad on a laptop.

[@Voelund]

Hehehehe.. I really like this. A rifle with a wrought iron fence, artistically wrought, for tigger guard that make it just weird to look at and apparently to handle. Not tacticool but maybe jagdicool?

[@hammyh1165]

It's already been modified heavily so it's not historically important, so id carry on doing more mods and make it more ergonomic as it seems to shoot well.

[@derekp2674]

Thanks very much Bloke and Chap - great to see that being shot. Two broadly similar target rifles are on display in the Royal Armouries museum at Leeds. Item XII.3388 is a Centrefire breech-loading target rifle - System Buchel chambered in 7mm and was made in about 1890, in Germany. Item VII.3392 is a Centrefire breech-loading target rifle - By H. Rochatte, made in France in 1985. This has a Martini action and is chambered in 11mm Gras. The other rifle has some kind of falling block action. Although it was great to see these exotic items there, it would be even better to have seen targetised 7.62mm No.4 and P14 examples on display in the sporting and target firearms section of the museum, along with some British contemporary .22 LR counterparts (e.g. No.8, BSA 12/15 and Martini Internationals etc.).

[@worldtraveler930]

Wow that is the first time Bloke is Admitted to actually being Afraid of an rifle!!! 🤠👍🇩🇰

[@paulbolus9399]

You can adjust the trigger with the screw between the 2 triggers. I actually love these type of triggers.

[@wrxs1781]

Good revue, and to myself a Martini action collector, this rifle at the right price would be on my list to buy, even with the 7.5x55 Swiss caliber. Chap should try the set trigger without a glove.

[@PantsManUK]

It looks like an alternate lever (geometry) that gets it well out of the way of the shooting grip would help out no end, and a lengthened neck on the stock (maybe 4 inches or so) would help with the "trigger claw", but then it'd be a different piece without the rich history it currently has.

[@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq]

It’s a damn brave man that admits to a tasco scope in his video

[@Rileysworld727]

It is strange that the grip is so unergonomic as the hand tools (like handsaws) from that time period were very ergonomic. So its not like people didnt know how to make grips comfortable. Maybe there was a special way you are supposed to be holding it that was more comfortable.

[@zoiders]

I was always surprised a suppressed Martini never materialised out of X-Station in the 40s.

[@RonOhio]

I had a CZ with a single set trigger that I loved, but it was in 5.56. Off of sandbags it turned in 3 round groups that I won't claim in public.

[@michaelguerin56]

I agree with the Bloke, regarding set triggers. I hate both types. Give me a decent two- or single-stage trigger and I am happy.

[@woutergijs5246]

I like the old glossy Tasco’s . They perform greatly e.g. on my Ruger Nr1. But also on Anschütz 54. Or why not, on a Winchester 9422 ?

[@jon9021]

Ahhh, the Martini Henry design…what can’t it do!

[@dwightbrown2808]

Best looking group I have seen on this channel I would be surprised if the set trigger is not adjustable. Get a gunsmith to alter the lever to something more comfortable (If it's your gun). The lever seems like something from the old all offhand Schutzen matches. I would love to see it with about a 30" Kreiger or Pac Nor barrel and a better stock. Although set triggers are not the norm on target rifles any more. Most 50 meter free pistols have some sort of set trigger (TOZ 35) or electronic Trigger (Morini CM 84)..

[@glueguzzler9548]

I feel like as an 10m Air Rifle shooter, I don't think I'd mind a set trigger. I'm used to like 4 ounce triggers, they're so light it's insane, if you're not dead on and damn ready to shoot it's best, at least for me still being a bit new to the weight, to just keep your finger totally off of it. It being two stage helps a little. When it comes to the whole not being to take up the pressure, with these triggers, there's no pressure to take up. Get on your sights on, place your finger on the trigger, when the time is right, everything is good and it should be a good shot, you just pull right through. Some books describe it as doing it with aggression, but I think confidence is the better term because you don't want to jerk your trigger obviously. I've never tried a set trigger though so who knows. The ultra light trigger though absolutely helps when you're trying to hit bullseyes the size of periods.

[@andrewcappiello5585]

Great video as always guys. Impressive group inspite of the lever. After watching some parts more than once, I wonder if it's possible to move the firing hand up (forward) and actuate the trigger with the middle finger. Keep the videos coming (please)!

[@duncanandrews1940]

A bit like knitting barbed wire Mike! And the wrought iron would make a nice gate!

[@Gus123]

"Slightly terrifying fun" Perfectly summed up.

[@djd8305]

"Chuck some ammo down it." I love Brit chat....

[@pmgn8444]

Great video Bloke! So what do they hunt in Switzerland? Red Deer? Wild Boar? Interesting to see a 'hunting' rifle from the 'elder times' and how ergonomics has changed.

[@darylmiller5725]

I had one in GP90 Beautiful rifle and very fancy wood. Scroll butt. Had the multi adjustable V sight. Never got round to shooting it, only really possible to shoot off hand.

[@robertl6196]

I blame the hideous, modern scope. A proper era-correct long tube scope or Unertl would solve all the world's problems. The scrollwork levers were indeed designed to keeps the shooter from clenching the whole hand, isolating the trigger finger, in theory. It was a different time.

[@woutergijs5246]

Modern scope? A Tasco made in Japan? I guess 85-88?.

[@chemistrykrang8065]

An 80s scope on a 20s rifle (or older) so it is modern with respect to the rifle. I kinda agree that the scope has the wrong vibes for the rifle, but then again this rifle has been converted anyway so the ship has long since sailed on it being original and period correct for when it was made.

[@CandidZulu]

I just read that target shooters in the day, found that to set a DST, it is best not to use the trigger finger. This will desensitize the finger for a very light pull. Se triggers are only beneficial for free pistols and some target rifles. Otherwise pretty useless, and potentially dangerous. People who tell you to use only the pad of the finger are not fudds really, old books describe both methods

[@husseinalmashhadany]

I have a Swiss Martini with 10.3x60R...you have no idea how unbelievably rare that ammo is in the U.S and how accurate that gun in action. PS: those rounds are bigger than 7mm remington and kicks like a drunk mule😂

[@BlokeontheRange]

The ammo is available here, but is seriously expensive!

[@husseinalmashhadany]

​@BlokeontheRange how much? Do they ship to the U.S?

[@seiiko6700]

ah c'est toi qui acheté la martini GP11 de aebi waffen je la voulais aussi bien joué

[@peterconnan5631]

Interesting that the triggers are behind the lever. I think that may be part of the problem. Oh, and go feel the trigger on a modern F-class rifle! 1-2 oz is not uncommon.

[@ZGryphon]

I lost it a bit at the reference to "Swiss Bubba... Bubi?" :)

[@panzerabwerkanone]

I have a Swiss M1911 that has a stupid light trigger. I don't let anyone else shoot it but myself!

[@gunterschmidtke9391]

weight of the set trigger should be adjustable, if not by the little screw on the bottom you may have to open the action

[@mrln247]

Obviously potentially a dumb question but is there not a way to fit your fingers in the stock instead of the scroll as it looks more like just a fancy trigger guard. Looks like the cheek riser might actually be more of an ergonomics issue for getting your hand no.

[@j.yossarian6852]

It’s in BF1 because it’s cool as hell lmao.

[@dawsonschmidt3714]

Slightly terrifying fun! All fun should be.

[@PhotoBobBarker]

I wonder if the lever is compatible with any other model of Martini-Henry? Maybe someone with a buggered-up MH would be willing to part with theirs? As to the set trigger... Ever handled a .22 3-position rifle? My 2007/2013's trigger was set at about 60 grams.

[@jlyle51]

The trigger relief is adjustable. Stop batching and fix it.

[@eddx5758]

That’s a beautiful rifle btw what’s your view on Australian gun laws

[@robertsmith4681]

When it comes to the weird trigger guard/lever, why not rest your 2 fingers inside of it where the stock is rather than trying to wrap your hand around it ?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Cos there's not enough room...

[@Khar_Toba]

Ach I love the scrolly thingy but probably the other comment about how these features don't really have to be "good" just make the guy 100 years ago hand over his cash is about right. I'm sure it would be possible to design something similar with ergonomics more suited to your intended use. But I dunno if that would quite be authentic in the right way

[@colbunkmust]

A Martini-stutzer sounds like gin and vermouth served in a shot glass.

[@nicholaspatton5590]

The picture you show where the metal buttplate is very pointy, are those points meant to go below and above the shoulder? It looks most uncomfortable if not tricky to use.

[@simonjones6128]

Good job Mike and chappie

[@Derecq]

Normally double set triggers are adjustable, is there a screw between the two triggers? I have adjusted mine on my muzzle loader because it was too light.

[@timblack6422]

Fair enough! Well done !

[@robmeglaughlin325]

chop that lever and weld a more ergonomic one back on.

[@tankfixer59]

Try a long eye relief scope maybe ?

[@jondavidmcnabb]

I gotta say, you shot pretty damn good and killed the target at 300 meters off hand. So.... maybe it ain't all that bad?

[@matthewspeller]

Wonder if you could modify a proper martini lever to get rid of all that beautiful anti-functional nonsense

[@barbarousfellow]

It would be fun to shoot if it had a scout scope and a functional trigger guard.

[@johnstacy7902]

Its that your personal gun? I'm thinking you could fab a better cocking handle

[@CachingCadre]

Is this something they would have used shooting sticks with considering the heft of the rifle?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Nope, freehand

[@M.M.83-U]

@@BlokeontheRange not at the range, but as an hunting rifle?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Possibly

[@tini4580]

damnnit now I WANT one

[@sqike001ton]

the answer is the sweeds making the game wanted a one hit gun and a single shot blackpowder rifle was the best fit why they chose a British gun I don't know

[@chemistrykrang8065]

I think it's Swiss, not Swedish, and if I recall correctly that was always a smokeless cartridge... and Martini was a Swiss guy anyway.

[@sqike001ton]

@@chemistrykrang8065 battlefield was made by a company from Sweden that's what I was getting at

[@johnhaylett3643]

as its in 7.5 can you use it in some of those big time matches you enter [ even with the scope] ???

[@BlokeontheRange]

No, cos of the scope. I guess I could get some target sights bodged onto it at which point I could use it in comps where you're allowed target rifles.

[@johnhaylett3643]

@@BlokeontheRange mike,personaly i would leave it alone just to have somthing abit different to yarn about at the range

[@twhittaker4343]

Do you think you could use the scroll as a pistol grip?

[@Haaraff]

You definitely could. In the original design of these Match Stutzer, the thumb was placed on the side and not over the wrist of the stock. I've seen quite a few and I even own one that has a designated thumb rest. It does not give a whole lot of control, but while standing this hand position actually does make sense. In this style of shooting, you would try to exert as little force as possible with your trigger hand.

[@1982rrose]

Did Chapy get funny looks for his fashion sense?

[@Chlorate299]

Pretty good group for a gun that surprised you every time it went bang. Intereting example of how fickle firearm design has been over the years, I wonder if set triggers will come back into fashion again 🤣

[@n2dadarknight]

I enjoy these videos, can’t wait for you to fix it. Haha

[@jeffjefferson2676]

You are not really breathing. You are holding your breath. Just keep breathing, and when you are ready, exhale, but not completely.. And then shoot... I don't know man. But like you said, it takes ages before you shoot. I would think with the double trigger it should be pretty good. Maybe its the parallax adjustment, and when its wrong you need to have the crosshair centered, or you will get flyers. So if then the shooter position changes, you get changes on the impact point. Any way, I have some single shot rifle blueprints. I could show you. :P These have a double trigger too. For this rifle, if I would go hunting, I would get a 3 legged chair, and shooting sticks. Greetings, Jeff

[@jeffjefferson2676]

Do you have an email adres I could send the links to? Greetings, Jeff

[@BlokeontheRange]

Thank you for teaching me to breathe in the manner in which I'm breathing in this video and have consistently done since 1994. Much appreciated ;)

[@dlmsarge8329]

@@BlokeontheRange Hehehe

[@657449]

The purists will groan with the modifications but the gun is meant to be shot and enjoyed, not be a safe Queen. I’m jealous .

[@aries_9130]

I'm with you on hating set triggers, just like I hate single stage triggers. "BuT yOu ShOuLd Be SuRpRiSeD wHeN tHe ShOT bReAkS" .. no, f- off. I want to be in control over my weapon and not have it go off at a moment I can't predict, ya doofus - at least for precision shooting. Pretty nice groups, though!

[@woutergijs5246]

And it is the result that counts, not the (dis)liking

[@philipfreeman72]

Looks to need modification .

[@sd4594]

I think you sumed it up pretty well, you hate it.

[@vladimirmihnev9702]

I'm shocked by your dismissal of the totally acute simulation of The Great War that is Battlefield 1😢 I was left believing that this channel was giving accurate information not recycle old fudlore myth's. Like this one about video games being not 100% like real life! Are you saying that you don't respawn after having your head shoot off? What kind of BS is that 😂

[@andiwinzi3853]

Eine Schrotflinte ist genauer 🤣

[@davidwallwork3623]

I wouldn't be complaining if I could shoot on such a beautiful range in a beautiful country.

[@Stargazer80able]

Finger it a lot but not too hard :/

[@cedhome7945]

As this gun has been frigged about with just take an angle grinder to the lever thing (if you do it carefully you can allways weld it back on to sell it )🔫😜

[@andiwinzi3853]

Mit Ziehlfernrohr echt schlecht.

[@AndreaLux-q7j]

Please smoke something before it.

[@rudimollner6574]

Ihre Haltung der Schießhand ist völlig falsch! Mittel-, Ring- und kleiner Finger gehören an das Holz, nicht auf den Metallbügel. Durch diese Haltung kommt die Hand weiter nach hinten. Der Haken unter dem Abzug ist nur eine Ablage für den Abzugfinger, der dann auch bei der Schussabgabe, nicht mehr so weit durch den Metallbügel ragt. Bei gestochenem Abzug muss man dann nur noch den Abzugfinger von der Ablage ganz leicht seitlich an den Abzug legen und los geht’s. Das hintere Ende des Metallbügels ist von der Form her reiner Zierrat, nicht als Handstütze sondern nur zum Öffnen des Verschlusses gedacht. Das Abzugsgewicht lässt sich übrigens an der kleinen Schraube zwischen Stecher und Abzug verstellen. Darüber hinaus ist die Waffe ganz furchtbar „verschlimmbessert“ worden. Das ZF, das so weit nach hinten ragt, dass die Lademulde verdeckt und die Schaftkappe aus Gummi sind einfach unmöglich.

[@Haaraff]

Die Handposition ist im Sinne des Erfinders, jedoch fehlt dem Schaft eine Daumenauflage. Normalerweise würde der Daumen auf der Auflage parallel zum Kolbenhals anliegen, mit den Fingern im Bügel. Das Handgelenk der Schiesshand ist dabei absolut gerade.

[@jlyle51]

Adjust the set trigger and stop bitching❤