Sword of Convallaria UNFILTERED Thoughts & Opinions On GACHA SYSTEM!

Sword of Convallaria Gacha system definitely leaves room for improvement as in this video we will have a honest discussion on what the Gacha system entails and what needs to be changed before global launch
#swordofconva #clintwulf #tacticalrpg

[@ClintWulf]

This feedback is some that’s honestly needed. Obviously I want SoC to be critically successful but I’ve also been covering mobile games for the last half decade nearly and I understand what turns players off and what kind of things makes players scoff at games. I hope this feedback is well received.

[@paendamonium]

I’ve played a lot of gachas over the years. The systems that only monetize skins and let you summon with only in game resources are definitely my favorite from a collecting standpoint (Azur Lane and GFL being the ones I remember the most). Outside of that, it’s amazing how free daily pulls and a good pity system (Brown Dust 2) can mitigate the FOMO nature of gachas. Hopefully they listen and make it more appealing, if not in the rates than in things like better currency income or an improved pity system. Games the size of Genshin or Wuwa can survive a harsh gacha, but a more niche tactical gacha probably needs a more lenient system to thrive or maybe even survive.

[@ClintWulf]

My thoughts as well

[@meep9873]

Reread the banner details. You’re guaranteed a 5* in 100 pulls, 50/50 for the featured unit, but you’re guaranteed the featured unit in 180 pulls. If you go to details and scroll down you can see your pulls needed

[@goenawanarief4027]

thank you very much. glad I read the comment first LOL

[@davidsumner1850]

I started Octopath traveler on day one and wound up deleting it off my phone about a month ago after a little over two year of gameplay. During that two years, I had maxed out over 15 to 20 5 stars and I had maxed out all my four stars. First couple of years on playing the main content my travelers were more than enough powerful to get through the main storyline. But a little after that two year mark, the power creep had gotten to the point where it was getting harder and harder to fight bosses to the point where each battle took way too long. Octopath traveler was releasing new banners almost on a weekly basis. And it had gotten to the point where in order to progress or have fun you needed to pull on the more recent banners with the more powerful travelers making my five star travelers that I had worked on for the two years almost obsolete. so I had hit a wall and I had felt like I had wasted all that time and resources on travelers who were no longer viable. I’m just hoping that this game isn’t going to be the same. I don’t mind spending a little bit of money to get characters that I really want, but when they become obsolete and the game developers clearly are doing nothing but money grabbing that’s when I have to say goodbye.

[@shengwu6044]

Yeah, that's the life of gatcha games...forcing players to "Must Have" situations while the old units become less and less.

[@diegocaballero59]

I hope this game developes like Brown Dust 2. Devs heard and added a ton of improvements. Starting on the same week of launch!! The ONLY WAY I forgive the gacha is with QoLs. Sweeps, background, skips. But no pulls and grindy? That's a garbage recipe. And it makes me more msd because the game looks so good.

[@ClintWulf]

Nah. This game DOES NOT need to be like Brown Dust 2. They don’t need to turn this into a playground for degenerates. No thank you bruh. There’s plenty of games out there for that. Developers were good though. So I agree that part. Everything else, no Ty haha .

[@diegocaballero59]

@@ClintWulf I'm talking about how devs answer to feedback and made the game super comfortable. And It's funny because the momment they tried doing some more innocent costumes, the players complained and they literally said "Say no more! Whatever the players say! Horny costumes on its way"

[@AudioDreamCity]

KZbin, for about two weeks now, has been pushing me ads for this game and how to pre-register. I saw the footage throughout the ad and am very interested. I do love gatchas, been hooked on em for years. My prereg is queued up until it drops. Open to and for any tips for beginning.

[@antoinedelporte3924]

Not gonna lie I usually like your content, but there I can't stand blatant mistakes : - You don't need to pull multiples times the same unit : there is a stage that can be cleared every day that gives up to 5-7 shards (split between the 5 units on the team used to clear it). The stage has tricks to help you clear it with teams lacking synergy (since the focus is on getting the shards on units), so it's quite easy to clear. It'll take a bit of time (a few months) to max a unit out, but most of the units are already decent at 2 stars and some don't really need the maxxed passive to shine (the healers usually don't get that much of a boost, whilst bruisers like Alexei are really dependant on it to have more variety on their builds). - 2% of drop rate is quite fair in the gacha games area, sure it would be nice to get it around 4-5% but it's really ok to play especially in a game that has such a little pvp aspect (compared to games like SW or epic7). - At the start of TW server the ressources for summining were indeed scarce after the initial story content clear, that's for sure. But along the line they have added frequent events (some minor, some major that require actually farming specific stages) that give a fair amount of summons, they also brought the weekly reseting tower and another version more challenging, you usually get compensations for maintenance and huge updates. With all that it's more than easy to get a fair shot at sniping the units that you like/want/lack. Sure you won't be able to have every single unit (but well that's kinda the point of a gacha if you're not paying), but as a pure f2p player on TW, I've got more than 10 SSR units (+ a few dupes in the process, which kinda sucks in this game tbf). - The banners rotate a lot so you get to try again with enough currencies if a character was released on a poor timing for u. This is a gacha game, it has the same flaws as many gachas but overall it's a solid pick for f2p since you'll be able to use most of the SR units if you build a team around your SSR and their synergies. At some point I got bored of using all my SSR to clear the challenges and stages, so I build a few teams centred around a SSR with faction aura (the hanged man faction is way too fun to pass on btw) and I've been able to clear everything so far. So yeah...^^

[@ClintWulf]

Look. It’s all fine and dandy that we can farm units. And I’m aware of that. And regardless of all that stuff you said, FIRST IMPRESSIONS MATTER for gacha games. We have seen game after game DIE due to slow income and rigid gacha starting out. There’s no need for you dudes to get so darn offended by content that MORE THAN MYSELF agree with.

[@Mark-fo6hz]

@@ClintWulf hmm, he is not offensive tho, i stopped watching when you fail to mention farmable dupes.. in this game spefically, getting dupes is not actually a good idea, unless u are a whale.. uhh no offense XD

[@Yungblxxd__]

Looks like a lot of the limited units from tw/cn are starting out automatically into the standard pool for global? (even nungal, momo, and alexi are all starting units). Seems that banner order for global could be something like edda -> simone -> and then saffiyah which is a bit concerning ngl. Will this mean that global has an extremely early rollout for tower of adversity as well?

[@seluhir8820]

Question regarding this if anyone's still checking comments... does the gacha system feature any sort of pity carry-over between limited banners or if you don't reach pity on a banner are all those pulls completely wasted? If there's no carry-over and the rates are that harsh, ya... the game's reception is gonna be rough.

[@ClintWulf]

Yes it Carries

[@seluhir8820]

@@ClintWulf Oh good. Worst thing is when you pull for a unit, get nothing, and then all those pulls meant nothing because pity doesn't carry over. That's a little less awful than it seemed at first, but I still agree with your general point that it seems needlessly stingy. FOMO Whale-baiting will only get you so far - there's a reason some of the more low-spender-friendly gacha are flourishing these days.

[@meep9873]

The pity increases the more you summon. After like 50 summons your rate is like 4%. It goes up each summon, so in all honesty you’ll rarely, if ever, go pity to get a character

[@PandaStyle07]

Do we know if the devs listen to the community, specifically the global side (?)

[@ClintWulf]

Hard to know until game launches honestly.

[@LittleMonarch-nh8zx]

I feel like it's hard to get the featured characters, but maybe that's just my poor luck

[@aronnax898]

Well said Clint! Summoning fairly often keeps us engaged with the gacha game and having to save for months for a character doesn't feel fun. I hope they heed your feedback!

[@ScribeTheMad]

Really hope they listen to the feedback, the game looks really good (I'm a huge sucker for tactical RPGS even if I tend to suck at them lol). And I love that the characters look amazing without relying on thirst-trap farming fan service.

[@dalerichardson8247]

I just can’t do this type of gacha because you will 100% get hard locked as a free to play because you can’t make your champions stronger unless your lucky enough to pull dupes and you can bet your bottoms that you’ll need maxed out certain champs just to clear a piece of content instead of being able to work out a solution with champs you have, the same as soo many other gacha games these days

[@ClintWulf]

You’re legitimately wrong as hell. Been playing for a year on TW. You’re wrong

[@LoveTheFinalGirl]

Does pity carry over?

[@ClintWulf]

Yes

[@LoveTheFinalGirl]

@@ClintWulf thank you

[@DePhpBug]

This game already out ?? !

[@KuroisonYT]

Good to see you back bro !

[@Gouka07]

“2% is too low” Me, a recovering WOTV player conditioned to 0.4%: 😭

[@ClintWulf]

2% is the overall Rate…not specific unit.

[@DubExp]

I forgot how fun this is. I got to thank you for introducing the game to me last year. And I'm shocked I got it in the CBT which never happens for me in gacha games. Haha. Also I'll leave feedback about rates when I log back in.

[@user-yn5te8vj5j]

4:24; Just to share my thoughts.. Genshin (1.6% / 90 Pity / guaranteed @ 180 if you lost 50/50), WuWa (same rates as Genshin but @ 80 Pity w/ guaranteed weapon banner), RE:1999 (1.5% / 70 Pity / guaranteed @ 140 if you lost 50/50), BD2 (3%, shared between off-rate & rate-up / 100 Pity / guaranteed @ 200 regardless if you win/lose 50/50). Of the games I shared, RE:1999 have the most positive opinion in the community when it comes to the gacha system (w/c I agree). Genshin has the worst weapon banner and flawed system of giving currency rewards but has fair rates compared to FGO and the likes before it. WuWa have the same rates as Genshin but F2P players are able to save enough to get their desired character every other patch along their exclusive weapon or get at least 2 rare character every patch. SoC have 2% (you can't go above 3%, it's just problematic from a business stand point) rate w/c is actually not bad, the problem is that 180 guarantee (worse if it's pity).. it's Genshin but worse since it doesn't guarantee you anything until 180 pulls the very same fiasco (massive quit) BD2 faced w/c forced them to add 100 pity system 🤣( 2% rate is the sweet spot w/ a pity system of 80 (always 50/50), GUARANTEED rate-up @ 160 pulls (win/lose we get it) like BD2 & make weapon banner of our choice guaranteed and not lose 50/50 )

[@user-gi5lz4ox3h]

dood genshin is 0.6 wuwa is 0.8

[@MrSeifer159]

How can I join the CBT ? xD I can't wait to play the game !!

[@DubExp]

Too late to join

[@MrSeifer159]

@@DubExp ok :)

[@lyleholland2803]

No gameplay? Okay

[@toddysurcharge771]

Yeah I think they need to be smart about how the game is done. Greed can lead to quick exit of players. Either make the purchase cheap, the rates better or the premium currency more plentiful. People playing long term is better for the companies revenue. Relying on a few whales when everyone else has quit isn’t going to be sustainable. I’m already willing to spend $50 a month on this game in the form of whatever monthly pass they may have and random packs.

[@dedfish7495]

Archeland is eosing soon,the devs better keep that in mind

[@MileyMoniqueDove1989]

When will be this up as global release?

[@ClintWulf]

July 31

[@jordancarroll1217]

I'm not a fan of tactical rpgs so I'm skipping this one since I'm playing HSR and WuWa right now and I'm waiting for ZZZ next week but I'm still gonna watch you're Sword of convallaria videos

[@DubExp]

Tactical games are fun AF. But this cbt definitely killing time til ZZZ drops which ends soon as that releases.

[@arthurmoreira49]

You dont need to pull a character more than once, since you can farm it's shards to max them out. Also lots of tw f2p players have most if not all of the legendary. The gacha isnt bad, and it's pretty f2p friendly

[@ClintWulf]

That hasn’t been my experience at all.

[@antoinedelporte3924]

@@ClintWulf I've been playing consistently on TW and I have many SSR units. Sure I don't have everything but with the events, weekly rewards, pvp rewards, tower grinding and maintenance compensation, you have a more than decent amount of summon that you can keep to snipe the units you want/like. The fact that you don't need dupes is a HUGE factor for the f2p friendly since you can simply farm shards on a daily basis and grind it up to max (sure it'll take around 2-3 months but it's a secondary pve focused gacha so who cares ^^). Another f2p aspect is the great synergy you can build around factions : sure you can build a team entirely dependant on SSR but you also can center SR units around a SSR that you pulled and enjoy the synergy. All the conditions/buffs and debuffs in the tower are also a huge factor encouraging you towards building different types of units. Sure you need to be a bit aware of your ressources early on but it's always like that and it's kinda fine

[@ClintWulf]

@@antoinedelporte3924 look, I’m not at all making the argument that the game is P2W… What I’m addressing is the need to not scare new player or prospective players away with a system that appears rigid from first impressions of a new player. Which no matter how you slice it..the gacha is rigid. Yes you can farm but that’s something only players that have already committed will take advantage of

[@antoinedelporte3924]

@@ClintWulf I know but it's also important to take into account the impact of KZbinrs that played the game in TW or CBT to the players that will discover the game later on. It's a gacha, that kinda sucks as usual and it's important to address the issues that may occur related to the rate or if they don't deliver the same input of rewards or ressources later on, I'll be the first to back you up at this point. But at the same time, I think that it's a really gem of a game to discover for many players and when the CBT comes, I feel like a video presenting the game and everything nice it brings would be much more important :) You've done so many great videos earlier, I'd like to see the same kind of videos with the CBT (that makes it much easier to understand and enjoy the game) :) I just won't agree with you on the dupe/shard thing in the context of gacha games : in most gachas, dupes are often gatekeeping important quality of life features or even powerceep (which means if you don't get it, your experience is way worse). In SoC, you can unlock 2 stars with ease in a few days (and get usually a decent part of the passive), most units are really good at 3 stars and don't really need to go to 5 stars (as I said healers for instance, but also some of the tanks). You'll still be able to play every unit you pull, and it will get a bit better real fast, then it'll get waaaay better in the long run (Alexei is the best example imo : he was mainly usable as a cc machine when he was low in stars, then I got him to 5 stars and he was suddenly able to be built as a glass canon thanks to his invincibility reset/CD). I just hope many people are able to discover and enjoy this game because I've played a ton of gacha over the year, and this is the one that I've enjoyed the most as a pure f2p without even feeling like I was missing something by being f2p (and I've been a spending player in some gachas ^^)

[@ghost6298]

Doesn’t feel like 2d games have much of a market anymore in gacha games with how advance gacha gaming has become over the years. So yea this game has to hit the ground running from day one also the gacha system I can’t even tell you how many times people play games save there currency for a particular unit lose the 50/50 and then just quit the game

[@ClintWulf]

The people who enjoy 2D games are not the same folks trying to play those triple A open world titles bro

[@user-gi5lz4ox3h]

@@ClintWulfi play those triple A open world title but this game looks interesting bc i love Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monster with this gacha rates this game will flop hard like archeland no way this game cost more then eversoul or wuwa to justify those bad rates

[@Nihilisterplayz]

Most people don't like gatchas when it comes to the hate for them

[@vtsupreme]

This is crazy 180 hard pity with 2% chance and 50-50. Imagine rolling 180 pulls and not even getting rate up, not to mention they also have weapon banner. They copied genshin gacha and made it worse! Hard pass

[@ClintWulf]

Weapon banner useless right now. Every weapon in there you can farm in weapon stage. So chill

[@ClintWulf]

Also, “copied Genshin” You’re an idiot

[@vtsupreme]

@@ClintWulf sure, pal. Enjoy 180 pity with 50-50 and 2%

[@oscara8454]

@@vtsupreme is it 180 pull for each 5 star or 180 pulls for guarantee 5 star. Genshin also has a 180 pull guarantee. Kind of.

[@ryanmiller5700]

I think 2% is a fair rate. Other gachas like Genshin and FGO have much worse rates, below 1%. I don't think there are limited characters in this game either, which is great.

[@ClintWulf]

What you just said is a lie bro. We are talking about the overall probability.

[@ClintWulf]

Again, I have been playing this game since last year. I’m trying to help y’all out, because I know myself the income rate on currency feels very rigid especially with the rates and pity.

[@edwardsutherland8240]

isn't fgo 3%? either way in fgo you only need 1 copy, this game NEEDS dupes to rank up for stats.

[@Normadus]

@@edwardsutherland8240 1% 5* 3% 4* "this game NEEDS dupes". This sentence is often an exaggeration or straight up a lie I've seen a lot of games where people said that we need dupes, but in reality 1 copy is enough for 90% of the content. The remaining 10% is either for whales or something that people will be able to clear with time. But 180 pity is a bit too much considering how many units you need. The real question is also how much currency they will give with every patch. Anything below 100 is really bad. They seem to avoid fan service so they have to be generous or there will be nothing to keep people in the game

[@JanosRaiga]

Genshin has fewer 5* heroes now than this game will when it releases... (ok, not that much)

[@jimmydean3076]

Tactical turn base strategy are not compatible with gacha at all. Ive playes basically every tactical rpg available all the way back to vandal hearts. Gacha games ruin these games. Its a hard no from me.

[@jimmydean3076]

Gacha simps are not tactical rpg fans.

[@gotaplanstan]

People say that about jrpgs too and Octopath CotC is better than 1 & 2 so that's obviously not always true

[@eight08life15]

I love langrisse M, but the enchant system bothers me very much. I hope this game doesn't have such a luck thing put into, besides the gacha of course

[@beatstiqs]

😅You are aware that the game has two modes... The second being the non gacha mode. Just single player playthrough

[@jimmydean3076]

@@beatstiqs yes, but thats a stupid point to bring up because multiplayer ranked pvp is what gacha destroys. who the fk needs gacha for a single player aspect? are you new to strategy rpg games??! multiplayer is where the *actual* value/replay value will be... obviously...

[@lucassanto8764]

I'm sick of gachas. the ideia of playing a game and knowing you're playing nerfed chars is shit. Or spend s shitton of money (may not be for an american that earns in dollar, but for weaker currencies, it is super expensive). I'd rather pay once for a game and play to my heart's content. Unfortunately

[@ClintWulf]

Well the good part about this game is that it has an entirely offline mode as well that doesn’t include the chars from gacha. It’s like its own separate tactical rpg game on side

[@KALClFER]

WTF? You dont need to spend in any gacha. Like what are you even smoking dude? Game is FREE just like any other gacha out there. Paying to pull other characters in any game is up to you. Why do you care if a character is nerfed or not? Just play the game if you like and dont play if you dont.