Sydney’s NEW Transport Network Map - What’s changed?

[@tsetstransport]

What do you think of the new Sydney rail map? Comment below!

[@EricYu1]

Probably still fine but the T6 why not blue

[@Chris-wm8hr]

The T6 and T3 keep throwing me off but I think that's for everyone but will all get use to it.

[@Comeng_]

the color of t6 confuses me

[@32bitintiger999]

They probably don’t want to make any drastic design and layout changes to the map. Though there are probably better ways to design it, most people are already used to the current style and would probably get confused if this did change.

[@32bitintiger999]

@@EricYu1blue is already used for the T2 and T4 lines. A third blue line would get a bit confusing. They may also have gone for that shade of brown to make it easier for colourblind people to distinguish it from other lines in the area, though this is just a guess.

[@markharwood]

Clearly created by people who are a lot less familiar with the network than most viewers here . If they forgot St James that tells you everything you need to know. Terribly unreadable around the city. And as someone who travels regularly on both Sydney and Melbourne networks even the thought of comparing Melbourne (which is effectively a third world system) is madness.

[@kyletopfer7818]

Melbourne is a "third world" system in what sense?

[@mjcats2011]

@@kyletopfer7818 It is certainly nowhere near Sydney's. Melbourne's is poor.

[@kyletopfer7818]

@@mjcats2011 in what sense though to be clear?

[@mjcats2011]

@@kyletopfer7818 Higher Frequencies, better interchanges between lines, better wayfinding. Better Trains, Siemens are OK, Comengs though good are old and need replacing and the xtraps are absolute Garbage. The HCMT's are fine trains, not off the shelf cheap garbage like the xtraps. Sydney updating every Rail station where as if a station is not part of the Level Crossing Removals project they are left tired and dilapidated. Enough for you?

[@kyletopfer7818]

@@mjcats2011 So we have gone from saying "Melbourne's train network is third world and poor" to "Sydney's is better". We could go the other way if you want: -Sydney suffers from slow train speeds on many lines -Sydney's system costs significantly more in passenger-revenue kms, due to having to employ guards and heavy+slow double-deckers -Sydney has a persistent problem where a train can't run if a guard doesn't turn up for work or has to use the loo and a replacement can't be found -Sydney has inferior safety as the driver only operation in Melbourne using CCTV cameras on the trains is far superior to 19th century guards with a whistle; guards have also fallen out of moving trains due to the open door policy RTBU forces in NSW -Sydney shuts each line in its rail network down consistently many more weekends a year for maintenance -Sydney has incredibly hot crowded nasty underground stations on its Bradfield legacy lines that should have been upgraded years ago -Sydney has significantly more incidents that cause disruption and network meltdowns than Melbourne -Sydney is incapable of recovering from disruption, the network meltdowns sometimes still aren't fixed by 1am the next morning when it shuts its network down -Sydney can't run modern trains on the ESR in peak until it upgrades power supply -Sydney has a number of flat junctions at key spots that cause delays -Sydney has much slower intercity trains (granted they are mostly electrified which is better) -Sydney doesn't have passenger-operated doors except on InterCity trains, so air conditioning is worse and to make it even worse again the double-deckers use more power because they have to cool more volume Frequencies in peak on Melbourne's busiest lines can reliably get 20-24 trains per hour where Sydney struggles with 18 trains per hour due to old infrastructure, long dwell times for double deckers and network fragility. Off-peak Melbourne has a serious problem with frequencies, that's true. All indications were that Melbourne would be moving to an all day 10min frequencies on inner sections of all lines once the new Metro Tunnel opened, but that seems to have cooled off right now due to budgetary issues. Hopefully see this change in future. I totally disagree about better trains in Sydney: the double deckers for busy inner lines in Sydney are a total disaster for obvious reasons; Tangaras have a plethora of issues; Milleniums are fine but unreliable; there are still Ksets or Csets or whatever they are running around and there were still tonnes not that long ago so hard to fault the Comeng trains too much. Sure Melbourne Xtraps are crap due to their suspension, but the new Xtrap 2.0 trains look absolutely fantastic, and the HCMT trains are the best suburban trains in Aus right now I would argue other than the Sydney Metropolis metro trains. Agree in general Sydney stations are nicer but for that almost none outside the CBD are served by light rail because Sydney removed trams in the 1950s-60s; and even the ones that are (Dulwich Hill and Lewisham) have terrible interchanges - Dulwich Hill has now been fixed with the new footbridge, but Lewisham is an awful station which doesn't have lift access and floods and is located about a 500m walk away from Lewisham West LR station, truly awful when the two lines intersect.

[@justmeajah]

I love that you let her say the stops 🤣🤣🤣

[@PeterRoberts-ty2py]

T6 Bankstowm Shuttle would be a good idea.

[@ethans-dk4bk]

Yes, I Agree. The T7 Should be the Sydney Olympic Park Shuttle Line. The T7 is also a Shuttle (Excepted on Special Events)

[@railcar-explains]

I don't get why the T3 needs to stop all stations between Strathfield and Central. It would've been better to run express to Central to provide faster access to the CBD from Liverpool and Regents Park. Also, we should terminate the T3 at the new platforms in Sydney terminal rather than running it through the city circle.

[@tsetstransport]

Completely agree, and that’s exactly what I mentioned in the video. :)

[@staryoshi06]

Presumably it's replacing some T2 services that previously went via granville

[@nicholetheotter1957]

It’s to take over from some of the existing T2 services. The only difference is where they go past Lidcombe.

[@user-nx8jp5ge8e]

This is just reinstating the old inner west line. The stopping patterns are the same as they were before the inner west line was removed

[@phamnguyenductin]

There are already express services between Lidcombe and Central on the BMT/T1 line anyway. But more likely than not the T3 will be limited stops after Lidcombe

[@Thebibs]

St Peters and Erskineville will have Illawarra trains servicing them too in the future

[@aussiejohn5835]

You did a great job with this video and your ideas are commendable. T6= The Poop Loop.

[@phamnguyenductin]

To be exact, it's not even a loop

[@trainradioz1303]

T8 and T4 should be parallel lines on the map because they run through the same corridor at Tempe as trains don't normally stop at Tempe can still stop at Tempe in special situations. On the other hand, the metro should not be parallel with the T1 and T9 between Chatswood and the City because they don't go through the same corridors. Metro trains can't just stop at T1/T9 stations in special situations like the map suggests.

[@phamnguyenductin]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think the T6 should be turned into a light rail line, with 1-2 more stops between current stations, and with a higher service frequency (8-15 min). The "brown" 7km, 6 stops T6 looks pathetic.

[@smiggleincinc]

as someone that lives along the line, would be good. it would also connect it to the upcoming parramatta stage 2 light rail if it goes all the way to olympic park

[@phamnguyenductin]

@@smiggleincinc I'm also living along the line, and the T6 frequency may be as dismal as 2 trains per hour. Would prefer it being a light rail with a turn-up-and-go frequency.

[@smiggleincinc]

@@phamnguyenductin yeah it's pretty bad. it'll probably be at least ten years until they consider making a new light rail line though

[@phamnguyenductin]

@@smiggleincinc My speculation is that after some 5-10 years, the T6 Bankstown line might go in the same way as the T6 Carlingford line - stations closed, to be turned into a tramway.

[@smiggleincinc]

@@phamnguyenductin that would not surprise me in the slightest! i'm interested to see what happens but that's quite likely

[@transportfanaussie]

This is great! I honestly prefer the old map. Sadly, the government is the boss and we can’t do anything about it.

[@Fireandicegamerx]

I think it’s pretty good.

[@ccntrainkid]

Thanks for explaining it!

[@SheikhMainuzzaman-ei2di]

They should change the colour for new T6 line

[@fayejaoying4641]

Saw a south west link line at lidcombe

[@weddingphotocinema2001]

I gave this map 7/10, I thing they should change the colour on the T6 and make it more brighter colour and use name Bankstown Shuttle NOT Bankstown to Lidcombe

[@SheikhMainuzzaman-ei2di]

Yea I think for T2 train line, they should have limited stops between lidcombe and Redfern no matter if it came from parramatta or leppington, because especially people living from leppington and edmondson park, they take a direct train to city and it goes via Granville which is a long way stopping at all station to Lidcombe, Strathfield, Burwood, Ashfield, Redfern and then onto city circle where as the t3 line goes via regents park and has to stop all station to city circle. Except for morning peak and afternoon peak where t2 and t3 can make limited too to city circle to make a unique stopping pattern.

[@davidpickford.]

Personally I like it, I give it 10/10

[@lachlanmcgowan5712]

I think this map is awful. 3/10 at best, and that's if I'm a good mood. The designers have obviously crammed the Metro lines into the old Sydney Trains shell and it doesn't work at all. The M1 is much too wiggly when it should be straight, it should not do a dog leg at Epping and the new stops on the north side should be above the T1/T9 corridor for geographic accuracy. The City Circle is awful and needs to be about twice as large as it currently is. The line names are much too long and there's no need to repeat the names of the termini over and over again -- the word "Richmond" does not need to be repeated 3 times at Richmond. There needs to be some acknowledgement of the light rail and ferries, even if it's just an L and F at interchange stations (there's not enough room to show all stops but you could at least draw the shape of the light rail lines and show their termini). And putting the M at all the Metro stations is hugely distracting and unnecessary.

[@ethans-dk4bk]

T8 goes via Sydenham in Peak Hours. Should we have Campbelltown and Macarthur Trains go via Sydenham while Revesby and East Hills Trains Go Via the Airport? This is to Make Journeys Increased as in the Article, It shows that the T8 will have the Incredible 80% Percent Increase in Service.

[@ollie2074]

It's pretty good though I think the names of the lines have had a bit more thought (I think the word 'West' is used too much) and with the city section they should have at least shown the metro line intersecting the city circle above it instead of behind it. The metro is supposed to be a faster and much more frequent than Sydney trains however the metro line looks more like an afterthought on the map. Say you wanted to go from Central to Chatswood the T1 and T9 looks bolder and more prominent than the M1 metro line making those services look like the ones that one should use.

[@jdouble-l19978]

Personally I'd rather see the T2 Parramatta Line removed completely. The T1 Western Line and T3 Inner West Line can cover for these stations now that Liverpool to City via Regents Park exists. Also I'd like to see Campbelltown to City via Granville services reinstated. Also with the T2 and T3 Lines now existing together, I hope that they can do a lot of flexibility with different kinds of stopping patterns for stations between Lidcombe and Central via Strathfield within the Sector 2 services of T2 and T3.

[@martinbauer8395]

Yes I agree with that. The current T2 Inner West and Leppington line will need a name change and made a semi-express after Lidcombe, i.e. Stopping only at Strathfield, Ashfield, Redfern, Central and then around the City Circle. There are plenty of T1 services running frequently and servicing Parramatta so the T2 doesn't really need to go to Parramatta also so just call it the T2 Leppington Line. 🙂

[@jdouble-l19978]

@martinbauer8395 yes, all of that I want to see. And Parramatta needs all four of its platforms for through trains on the T1 Western Line.

[@yukko_parra]

@@jdouble-l19978 hopefully, we in sydney can learn to change trains as need be.

[@jdouble-l19978]

@yukko_parra yeah. I mean changing at Granville isn't hard for me at all. So I actually don't mind seeing the T5 Cumberland Line be removed completely or become a weekday peak hour only thing again just like back in the 2000s.

[@transportvlogs]

This is gonna be a long one Looking at the new map it makes you wonder what the new services will look like along with the new timetable. Hoping the changes don't make it an issue for the new services during the peak, we don't need certain lines to have weird services and stopping patterns just to make it confusing and a bit of a challenge to travel on the rail network during the peak Newtown, Stanmore, Petersham, Lewisham & Homebush were some of the stops for the Liverpool via Regents Park services during the Bankstown line shutdowns. If those services become all stations it will give 3 or 4 different services for the T2 Don't know why the T4 won't be stopping at St Peters & Erskineville, it would've made sense to have the T4 to stop at those stations instead of doing new services for the T8 just to cover those stations For the T6 it should've also gone out to Liverpool so anyone travelling from Bankstown won't have to change trains at Regents Park Hopefully Sydenham should become a permanent stop for the SCO just because of the metro. It would be stupid not to have it as a permanent stop for the SCO, you wouldn't have to worry about going to Wolli Creek just get on a SCO service Last thing is with the Southwest Link buses they should've also ran some services to some of the nearby T2 & T8 stations instead of just between Sydenham & Bankstown, this would've giving more choices for anyone along that part of the line

[@Gary-vv5gt]

Think they will can the woilli creek stop for Sydenham and run the south coast trains on the tracks which doesn’t have the woilli creek platforms

[@ranger8237]

Maybe you should design the Sydney Train Map and maybe the T4 use Erskinville and St Peters

[@DiscoveryRoad]

What's the background music actually? I'm kinda curious

[@dumhead7]

couldn't the T3 skip some useless stations between Strathfield and Redfern, especially Macdonaldtown. It should've only stopped at Ashfield and Newtown along the way from Redfern to Strathfield

[@ethans-dk4bk]

Should we Remove the T1 From the Richmond Line. The T1 is Causing a Bottleneck with the T5 and the Services Is Infrequent. If we Remove the T1 from the Richmond Branch. It will Increase Frequencys to Penrith and Free Up Services on the T5 Cumberland Line which Runs from Richmond to Leppington Via Parramatta.

[@Yum-Tasty_Delish.Kitchen]

Can someone link the map please 😃⁉️

[@sydneylightrailfan290]

Will the T8 still run via Sydnenham?

[@adamlawrence-slater9848]

It should show the l1 l2 l3 inner west buses eastern suburbs buses

[@PiggyNBacon]

Can I have a link to the new map please

[@matthewwang9596]

please note this as advice (i want u to succeed ) please ai phot enhance to fix the imagine before posting a video (maps blurr af I have video at 1080p)

[@BackgroundStudios-r14z]

Looks alri- IT LOOKS SO BAD WITH THE BROWN T6 but looks alri- NO IT LOOKS LIKE SH anyway, thanks bro for da vid

[@qi-yf7tl]

Where did you find the new Sydney Trains network map?

[@qi-yf7tl]

And also at 3:38 where did you find the PIDS recording lol

[@yukko_parra]

Jo Haylen's Facebook iirc?

[@qi-yf7tl]

@@yukko_parra uh i dont think so lol

[@Timothy_Aoki_Hwang]

Just a discuss, is it possible to operate T6 Bankstown services to city via Lidcombe? Then residents of Birrong and Yagoona can still have direct access to city.

[@yukko_parra]

yes definitely. This is what they used to do. as for direct services, well ngl we in Sydney should start to get used to shuttle services more often

[@MaxS-hn8we]

5/10 at best. Cluttered map especially the metro stations in the cbd. Why isn’t Martin Place represented as one station for example given both platforms are linked? The line numbering is great but the lines names make no sense.

[@SydneytrainEnjoyer2263]

Ok