The History of Image Comics (So Much Damage) | Part 4: The Walking Dead | SYFY WIRE

[@immersivecomics1603]

Invincible was kirkmans love letter to comics. Imo it’s his masterpiece and everything that comics should strive to be.

[@retrowavestudios1851]

Invincible is my favourite comic series ever and it is a masterpiece

[@maxh276]

Agreed 100%. Have you seen the adult animated series too? It enhances the comic in every way while staying extremely faithful. It'll go down as one of the greatest animated series of all time, just like the comics.

[@JR-ju3kj]

Agreed.It's one of the best books to come out of Image Comics-if not the best.

[@breakingthelaw7974]

Really? I personally can’t stand to even look at a cover of one the issues. I think it looks to childish and simplified. But that is just my opinion 😅

[@jasonblanchard4940]

​@@breakingthelaw7974 I haven't read invincible yet but just by looking at it , it seems like a supreme knock-off. Might be better then supreme but still.

[@petitio_principii]

I never knew Erik Larsen was drawn by Mike Mignola.

[@TJByrnesAudioVisual]

Todd McFarlene Reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson... just the same crazy vibe

[@JR-ju3kj]

I know what you mean when you say that but I wouldn't use the word ''crazy''. I'd say 'the words 'eccentric'' and ''quirky'' better describe him.

[@parisulki729]

​@JR-ju3kj he is like modern day Stan Lee

[@JoeyJojoJrJr]

He seems very tightly wound.

[@dennishumanzee5409]

Anybody else a fan of the maxx or Sam keith in general?

[@thephilosopher7173]

Can't say for The Maxx comic, but as a kid i remember the cartoon. I used to sneak to the living room past my bedtime to watch that, Spawn, and The Head....memories...

[@rockbarcellos]

The Maxx cartoon also, I loved it, I was way too young for it though, I still loved the art style, animation and the violence, only later on I was able to really understand what it was about, and loved it even more

[@ericbarnett9864]

Love it. The art is fantastic and different.

[@Majinjef2099]

i have the 1st comic and the mcfarlane toy still in the box.

[@aztektheultimatewoman]

Love his art, not so much the writing.

[@8bitrandomencounter]

It seems like Image's founders all hate each other, lol.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

William Eugene Tipton it's such a shame too because it really didn't have to go that way, especially on Todd's part, so petty and for no reason.

[@DrLynch2009]

Big egos clashing, and some of them are well know assholes.

[@khailart8858]

William Eugene Tipton Jim Lee, seems like everyone likes him though.

[@coreyanderson8592]

Why do they all look like pedos.. Are guys who you would see hangin out at truck stop rest areas and backroom porno booths at night

[@allnamesaretakenful]

@@khailart8858 I think Jim Lee likes everyone. He reminds me of my friend Dave Song, he was friends with just about everyone at my school.

[@schizogony]

Kevin Nealon could play Silvestri in the PG-13 biopic.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

They did not mention Larsen working for DC in the early aughts.

[@MattHawes]

In the late 1990s', Larsen also was working for Marvel on "Nova," Defenders," and "Spider-Woman." I also noticed this series mostly glossed over the second wave of artists that came to Image in the early years: Larry Stroman, Mike Grell, Hilary Barta, and such. Dale Keown, part of that second wave, got a brief mention. It might be due to the fact that the founders treated the second wave pretty badly. As this documentary has shown, the company was supposed to have been about artist rights, but was really more about specific artists rights, not so much in general. The new boss, same as the old boss is how things wound up, basically.

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@MattHawes I figured, I knew something about this was a little off. Also I tell people all the time documentaries are not 100% true, just a little time capsule . I was a kid in the 90’s so I wouldn’t know a lot of artist’s personal experiences with the company,

[@JeromeDoyle]

Erik Larsen is criminally underrated.

[@docsavage8640]

In what way? Mediocre artist. Poor writer.

[@rcc_96]

Am I the only one that prefers 'Invincible' over 'The Walking Dead'?

[@josephjoestar5444]

Raul Carranza Same here!

[@KaraokeNig]

Is Invincible anithing like walking dead?

[@josephjoestar5444]

Bene better

[@ackminecrer9165]

Why are you pitting two completely different series with almost no correlation between the two.

[@amarmehta01]

Not a fan of The Walking Dead. Love Invincible, though. If it wasn’t for the television series, would anybody know about The Walking Dead?

[@johnmartinez631]

0:48 those places don't sell comics anymore.

[@Ishitonyou666]

Sad but true, that’s how I started reading comics as a kid, I had only 1 comic store in my neighborhood and everything was sold out, it was ridiculous

[@thefriendlygamer2221]

My Walmart does!

[@CorbCorbin]

Where's something about Tony Moore? The artist that at the very least created many of the Walking Dead characters, it's Neal Adams all over.

[@Dunny2k]

Kirkman created the characters, Moore just drawn them.

[@petemarquez8759]

Stan Lee created Marvel, everyone else just "drawed" them.....

[@spartan3460]

Bendis looks like sloth from The Goonies.

[@Ishitonyou666]

😂🤣🤣🤣he’s beta , definitely doesn’t have the strength like Sloth

[@daoust26]

Im sure Kirkman worked for marvel first doing marvel zombies before working for image

[@drdoomprevails1439]

daoust26 wrong.

[@gabrielidusogie9189]

He wrote Marvel Team Up and Fantastic Four Foes

[@sinchman1]

Like I said Jim Valentino turned me down for my comic idea (ENTITIES)

[@Novaargh]

Hollywood should have stayed out of the Comic game.

[@thevoiceofgod7454]

I was never a huge fan of Image comics, great art, weak story writing at the time .

[@MikeClarke85]

9:27 "Yeah, we're fine" *Narrator: They were not fine*

[@Marc-oy2ph]

... l highy dobut that it's been years they are over it

[@suwpoqzwn19]

Man, Robert Kirkman is such a good guy. He just has a hilarious and friendly way about him.

[@aztektheultimatewoman]

It’s scary how much Bendis talks like he writes.

[@docsavage8640]

Don't be mean. His writing is much worse.

[@JoeyJojoJrJr]

@@docsavage8640 Lol, that's a Brian Michael Burnedis

[@Marc-oy2ph]

​​@@docsavage8640you said that dont be mean n yes you roasted him rn lol 👀💀

[@zipblockarchives900]

If it wasn't for Image I would have stayed reading books and manga. Marvel and DC were becoming stale at the time and then comes along Robert Kirkman.

[@Flametongue3000]

The old History of Image comics documentary has the same story but it also skipped on one of Image best creators back then.. Michael Turner... yea i know he's passed on, but why no story about him? He was phenomenal and deserved to be remembered and celebrated as such.

[@karlkelly9005]

Netflix and Image would make some sweet hits

[@Jakemufcfan]

Amazon and image look what they’re doing with invincible! Imagine spawn with the budget of the boys

[@maxh276]

Not Netflix, but Amazon. They're doing an incredible job with Invincible. Enhances the comics while staying extremely faithful. Netflix wouldn't have let Kirkman go that far with the violence, or 40 mins of animation like Amazon did.

[@nyghtmareinmi]

@@Jakemufcfan Yeah let's get Bezos even richer. *sarcasm*

[@reanetsemoleleki8219]

"I'm on the partner track." "At a law firm?" "No, at a comic book publisher."

[@toddtaylor316]

I'm surprised they were so surprised their was a market for non superhero books. The earliest days of comics were dominated by almost everything but superheroes.

[@JoeyJojoJrJr]

None of these guys strike me as comic historians.

[@Engreido2814]

Jim Valentino looks like he could be Jon Favreau's dad lol

[@MGSBigBoss77]

While Eric Stephenson looks like he could be DC animator; Bruce Timm's older brother, lol.

[@jebusgod]

Whilst Seth looks like he is Matthew McConaughey

[@jonmanpetruci3038]

And Gary busey looks alot like nick nolte

[@singhatar0912]

Ahhah

[@zangardo3937]

Todd loves to snap his fingers

[@scottellis4004]

Michael Turner R.I.P

[@trenoops]

If it weren't for the creation of Image comics, comic artists would've never realized their true value.

[@lonelyasteroid5404]

If im being honest, Invincible had the best comic book covers and art Walking dead? Man... those were deep

[@alexr4208]

They had the Cliffhanger line, which was also intolerably late, yet had everything the industry needed, new subjects to write about. You could have made a great movie out of Battlechasers. I don't know what the end of that story was going to be, but it was a great book.

[@joshuahoeppner597]

No mention of Tony Moore, the Artist who created the Walking Dead? The guy who was screwed out of ownership of the characters he created. They very thing Image was supposedly founded to stop?

[@Grimmsect]

Um.... It's The Walking Dead? How do you actually own the visual rights to a mere human character? You literally can't copyright a t-shirt and jeans and a normal every day hair style.... The only thing that makes them actual characters are the personalities attached to them, which are Kirkman's. An artist doesn't create human characters, not a single decision would have been his. Their ages, nationalities, weight, outfit, all would have been decided by Kirkman, so he created nothing, he simply drew somebody else's creation. When an artist owns the copyright to a comic character, they specifically own the rights to the costume. Which is why Image originally were all superhero stuff. The spandex suit. All of the outfits drawn by Moore exist in reality, therefore their design is attributed to the actual fashion designer who designed the original outfit, not a comic artist..

[@thephilosopher7173]

I don't think that was his point. I don't know what he's talking about personally but I think he's bringing up a situation similar to Stan Lee & Jack Kirby. That you help design a character (which you can't deny him of doing regardless of aesthetic) and that he's not recognized for it.

[@joshuahoeppner597]

The Philosoper has kinda got what I'm talking about. I don't really care about the legal issues (In fact, the specific case I'm referencing was settled). I just think it is a shame that they left it out of the documentary. Image was based on the idea of Artist's Rights, and the book they are crediting as "saving Image" went through a period of legal dispute about that very thing. It seems pretty hypocritical, and I am curious what the founders thought of this.

[@whitespyder9]

Grimmsect Yeah... But that's not always how it works. The fact that you presume to know what the creative process was in the early days of The Walking Dead is ridiculous.

[@cloudtx]

The original artist of The Walking Dead was soooo good. I don't like the other guy's art.

[@pnut3844able]

THAT'S why he did the only color issue with Rick dreaming about the alien invasion lmao

[@matthewmoore3392]

It's crazy how tense some of these relationships still are

[@TowDow3]

I want to see a version of this for MILESTONE MEDIA.....I won't hold my breath tho

[@elvinhernandez75]

Tow Dow 3 Untold History if Comics did an hour-long history of Milestone comics. It's pretty great!

[@alexphillips4644]

Look up An AMC TV miniseries Robert Kirkman's Secret History of Comics episode 5 "The Color of Comics".

[@TJ347]

Erik Larsen whining about various books not being commercially viable under Valentino is hilarious considering Savage Dragon sells something like 3k copies a month. He's really just resting on his laurels at this point.

[@scottellis4004]

Whaaaaat?!?! No mention of J. Scott Campbell?

[@alexr4208]

Not true, he had that long run on Wildsiderz. It's my goal in life to collect that entire series. :)

[@joedredd9979]

@Manny Q dangergirl is a rip of from Charlie s angels

[@KidCaduceus]

These are great! Thank you!!

[@lovetownsend]

SOme of my favorite comics are from Brian Michael Bendis!

[@jeffnettleton3858]

Valentino had indie cred, before Marvel and Image, thanks to his Normalman book, at Aardvark-Vanaheim and Valentino, at Renegade. Image let go many non-core founders, in response to Diamonds threats of financial penalties over late books. Valentino helped draw in people like Bone's Jeff Smith, Eric Shanower's Age of Bronze, A Distant Soil's Colleen Doran. Larsen is an abrasive personality and was a major factor in alienating a large segment of the comics community, with statements he made in early interviews. Guys like Jim Lee had to do a lot of damage control every time he opened his mouth. He's mellowed since; but, you can see he doesn't always think before he speaks. Lee isn't a good manager at DC; but, he is far more level-headed in his interactions..

[@Ishitonyou666]

May I ask, what did Larsen say? I pretty late on this..sorry I know u posted this 3 years ago

[@biker944]

I love saga

[@agthaog1986]

be nice if they mentioned stuff like danger girl and the tenth

[@alexphillips4644]

As of today, July 3rd 2019, The Walking Dead has concluded its story...forever.

[@aaronm8143]

The suprise ending was sad but I admire that he felt it was time. I felt like there could of been more involving Carl's rise. I always felt Rick would Die, and Carl would be the focus for the last 50 or so issues.

[@andrewreeves1250]

Nah, it’ll be back with new storylines 🔥💀

[@alexphillips4644]

@@andrewreeves1250 Kirkman admitted that he ran out of ideas after the time jump.

[@bertfechner417]

11:18 - 12:04 and thats just why the book will always be better than show.

[@danpeterson9317]

These have been entertaining, enlightening, and a perfect length.

[@breadandbutter0080]

Todd was and is the Drama Queen of the comic book industry

[@JR-ju3kj]

There's a place for EVERYONE in comics.

[@Pyro-Moloch]

Robert Kirkman is so funny

[@DylanWOWilliams]

I think I've always disliked Brian Bendes' writting.

[@jordanfriend8229]

And still no talk of Michael Turner..

[@luanasuka]

i just got into comics but seriously? it took more than 50 years for the industry to realize not every one wants a super hero story?

[@SchalaKid]

luan assis - Read the graphic novel “The Comic Book History of Comics”. It’s dense but gets into how superhero comics weren’t always the only game in town... the industry just sort of forgot (neglected? abandoned?) other genres for a long time.

[@rodney2x48]

It’s not that people suddenly realized it, but that whenever they tried to sell non-superhero stuff it either failed or was hit with outrage. Years ago, we had the Comics Code making it impossible for horror comics and so on. Romance comics stopped selling and then the only ones that were selling for a long time where superhero comics. The 90’s was simply a great time to bring back all the stuff comics used to do or give what indie creators have been doing for years a time in the spotlight.

[@RetroTV3]

Horror and mystery tales was a big thing in the 70's, Warren comics was the 'Image' of the 70's, later Star Wars buried the interest of people in monsters.

[@JR-ju3kj]

There have been different kinds of comic books outside of Super Hero stories for many decades,it's just that Marvel and DC were always the two main games in town and they always mostly published Super Hero comic books.

[@allnamesaretakenful]

I love this series.

[@SleeperDarkside]

Wow a success story.

[@axeltrujillo5693]

Fantastic series

[@robertt9342]

I find it funny how a founder (McFarlane) of image tries to keep creators under his control.

[@TimothySmiths]

Correct ..time and time again those that gain control become the beast they ran away from ..Not all of them became that way ..but certain individuals for sure are that type of person.There is an animation short : Mark Osborne's MORE,that portrays this exact kind of thing.

[@db3crashcoursecinema]

When GEN-13 Came out..IT WAS OVER!!!!!!!!

[@ghettomonk79]

awesome series!

[@josephbarbera9220]

Very insightful! Enjoyed the video!

[@betz999]

I got the issue 100 that Todd McFarland drew. And the issue 150 that Tony Moore came back to draw as well.

[@LightYagami-wt1jw]

such a great epsiode

[@docsavage8640]

Are we sure that is Jim Valentino and not Maury Chaykin?

[@JG-nk7ld]

Eric Stephenson looks like Carl from walking dead grown up

[@LogHeadGaming]

Kinda bullshit they leave out the maxx being on MTV that was huge

[@hankhill242productions6]

0:32 Datsun/Nissan 240Z👌👌👌

[@SevenDeMagnus]

lol

[@coreyshelp6463]

DC is finally stepping up and are of a quality that can match or surpass independent PUBLISHERS..

[@TowDow3]

they weren't before?

[@Grimmsect]

Not really before Vertigo existed (1993), save for a couple of obvious classic Batman stories. But yes, 1993 is over 20 years ago, so not really finally stepping up.'

[@thesomalistrawhat]

Yeah Vertigo already has done great. Like, for a while lol

[@nickangelo116]

I like how you put publishers in all caps.

[@stormking989]

Minus any creator owned stories but who's counting.

[@dangolden1996]

I have to frist 5 issues of spawn

[@whitespyder9]

Dan Golden How exactly do you "frist issues" of anything?

[@thesomalistrawhat]

You know he meant to say he has the first 5 issues man

[@petemarquez8759]

Ben Tapia lol, maybe he meant fist.

[@petemarquez8759]

We all have the first five issues of Spawn, and multiple copies of each issue, that's the whole point about why they ain't worth jack squat!

[@TheEliteX1]

Larson is ruthless. I like that.

[@JR-ju3kj]

You need to have that in business.

[@kurtshastany1945]

I cant deny success, but im allowed to not like a product. The core principal of IMAGE comics went right out the window with books like Walking Dead. Thats not what ppl wanted from image comics. We wanted the insane art, the ridiculous physiques and the outrageous arsenals. The ppl who bought cyberforce, youngblood, wildcats, brigade, bloodstrike, supreme and stryke force are mostly not the same ppl who bought walking dead.

[@Ishitonyou666]

I love horror, but I have no interest with the walking Dead, I never even saw the show , but I know a lot of people are obsessed with it

[@kurtshastany1945]

@@Ishitonyou666 ive never watched even one episode. Zombies at a base level can be an interesting premise, but frequently the film will be more of a character piece featuring the differences between individuals in that horrific situation... taking that into consideration, and then assuming it will be even more decompressed in the episodic format of a tv show... i just knew it wasnt for me.

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@kurtshastany1945 I feel you bro! 🙏🏻😌

[@HiccupMastersucks]

And now Bendis is taking over at DC.

[@coreyshelp6463]

I've herd that . I don't know who bendis is. what is he known for? is he behind the SJW marvel stuff....cause I don't want to see DC go overboard with SJ stuff...

[@Grimmsect]

A lot.... and most of his work at marvel predates the thing you're calling SJW stuff. Pretty much anything decent out of Marvel from five or so years ago was either written by Bendis or Millar (Or Ennis or Ellis)...

[@fatenabu1]

I don't think he is taking over, but just going to be writing for them

[@stevevondoom4140]

Bendis was doing jessica jones , avengers , Infamous Iron-man(dr.Doom) and several other titles at marvel...

[@Shrieking_In_the_Void]

god forbid fictional characters tackle real world issues. don't like it? write your own bland, white bread comics.