Sylvanas Eternal Punishment: All Cutscenes in ORDER - Cast into the Maw [WoW Dragonflight Lore]

[@Athelarius]

Next Chapter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnvcnJeCi6uAnaM (Calia, Tyrande, Anduin, Sylvanas Endings) Hiya Folks! A bit late on the upload as Molly had to undergo another operation for her Breast Cancer. It's been an ongoing struggle for all of us, but keeping up with WoW's lore and this channel is one of the things that help keep her fighting on. She's always glad to read and respond to your comments, so never hesitate to ask! This compiles the Shadowlands Epilogue with lovely voice acting and superb animation from the team in these in-game cutscenes, especially on the lip-synch. There are so many more interactions I hope we get before we depart from Shadowlands, with Lor'thermar and Kael'thas of course being at the top. The Windrunner sisters, Lirath, and many more interactions with potential. And also, Turalyon has those "Golden one claims a vacant throne vibes" lately, especially with Anduin staying behind. Time will tell. Hope to see many great days ahead for the Warcraft franchise, with love, always. More story to follow soon!

[@charlayned]

All my love and hugs for Molly. I went through it in 2010, it's hard to do. Hang in there, I've got the candle lit and prayers for her to come though on the other side. My husband also sends his prayers and energy for you and Molly, he stood by me while I was fighting and he was so much my rock during it. ((hugs)) from Texas.

[@justacrewchief4561]

Good luck to Molly! Come out on top! You got this!

[@amirforoughi5766]

Best of luck to Molly and you :) You got it 💪🏼

[@RD-ni1it]

All the best to her recovery. Thank you for your hard work for these videos.

[@SuperNumber21]

We're all behind both you and Molly! She's got this!

[@alias6149]

10:48 "Every soul will be treated with compassion, and be given a voice in which afterlife awaits them" except for Arthas, he had to be destroyed with no chance for redemption

[@JoseAnd97]

*Chad sideface* Y E S

[@misterbleedinggums]

In the new book, The Jailer destroyed almost all remnant of his soul for being a thorn at his side. He ruined the dreadlords' plans and Ner'zhul failed in dominating him when Arthas donned the helm. (which is why Ner'zhul was severely punished in the Shadowlands) He would have had a chance of redemption, maybe, had Uther not damned him to the proverbial Hell.

[@iSa_Ach]

@@misterbleedinggums what book?

[@cheapsht-4204]

I can't believe blizzard destroyed Arthas. Most people liked Arthas and they should have make him a frame like Actvision did to Ghost in "Call of Duty" since people like Ghost because of his character and Actvision decided to make more about Ghost, more features like frames, skin and interesting storyline and thats how COD got many sign up players while Blizzard killing WOW, many of the game features got destroyed.

[@girlgarde]

@@misterbleedinggums So basically, Uther destroyed Arthas because it never occurred to him that Arthas's mind could've been warped and twisted somehow in Northrend. I guess what happened at Stratholme made Uther think that Arthas was evil so he didn't even give Arthas a chance to explain his actions like he should've and so Arthas has forever ceased to exist. If I was Terenas, I'd hate Uther forever for taking my son away from me forever. I just hope that Blizzard does something to bring Arthas's soul back one day. They could easily say that what we thought was the last fragment of Arthas's soul was actually the last part of the Lich King part of it and that the good part of Arthas's soul is still out there somewhere.

[@ianrastoski3346]

Lor'Themar: So Baine you gonna see your dad? Baine: Naw, I'm not allowed to do anything in this expansion.

[@Mr_Edwards_1995]

LOR’THEMAR: yeah me neither. I say a handful of lines at the start and end and that’s about it.

[@Solo_Traveling]

Or ever.

[@Athelarius]

Baine: "What is my purpose?" "Your purpose is to be steak" Baine: "Oh"

[@Justin-A-Carter]

@@Athelarius Hamburger Helper.

[@allanwidner9276]

He did stuff. He got tortured a lot and thrown off cliffs and stuff.

[@Gjldo]

so an immortal beign is sent to a finite place to recover a finite amount of things and has all the time she needs to do so..... sylvanas has basically been given a weekly quest as punishment

[@SomethingSimilar442]

She is left alone in a horrible Situation. This is a pretty agonizing penance especially for someone who's soul/mind is torn. The High Elven Part of her will both be regretful and dutiful while the Banshee Part will prolly analyse her actions over and over again. When everything around you gets silent your mind becomes even louder.

[@blackhand2850]

ohh btw she is doing all this without a mount : p

[@insaneyoohoo]

@@SomethingSimilar442 She'll literally be out in less than a decade (the next few expansions) after gathering some souls up, that's her penance for thousands dead, a civilian town burned down, plague, enslavement, betrayal, starting a new war, and disgusting super edginess, at her own admittance of her own free will. But sure, Arthas is evaporated forever, Garrosh dead, Illidan locked away for 10,000 years, but screw it, Sylvanas is hot and 'tragic' so lets just say a few daily quests is good enough punishment. Lol, Blizzard and her fans will never let go of their banshee cash cow xD

[@chabri2000]

Repair the eye of the jailer so that she is time gated and can not use her mount in the maw. Let her suffer from what we, the players suffered

[@yankokassinof6710]

@@insaneyoohoo as if arthas wasnt a cash cow for...how many years again? you are just crying about it because the story was not very good in general, but dont use "cash cow" as an insult/pseudo argument, because every good, or famous, or popular character story etc you name it, IS or intends to be a cash cow, dont play dumb on that part, after all a company exists to profit, regardless of their ethic, so yeah dont forget that everything that was succesfull before sylvannas in wow was a cash cow or intended to be so, some people do like SL and do like sylvannas even now, tho surely a bit less than before, but again, that doesnt change reality

[@kailius790]

so sylvanas has to do maw dailies for all eternity.

[@lixnix2018]

Wouldn’t say for eternity, but for a long time

[@benacewoofstorm]

Yup like asmongold said

[@Dragnmastralex]

so the devs basically just told us they were punishing us as players for daring to play this expansion.

[@comet392]

Perhaps she should have been force fed Tyrande's body waste for eternity.

[@AurioDK]

@@insaneyoohoo Nah, I still vividly remember what she did in Arathi, there will be no forgiveness.

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

For everyone disappointed with Arthas' arc in this expansion: don't be. Yes, it was terrible, but think of it this way. They won't bring him back and so they can't ruin him even more.

[@raz5]

bro he was a fucking wisp

[@superchroma]

you don't know they won't bring him back

[@Revens1]

@@superchroma yeah they retconned stuff for this expaansion they can do it again.

[@hotrodpawns]

i hear they are bring Arthas back through time warp, i don't know to what extent though.

[@Veloziraptor111]

Same with Garrosh.

[@ProfessorWaffel]

"Everyone deserves a chance at redemption!" Genn & all the other Alliance boys: "None of this was your fault, you were being controlled!" Arthas: "am I a joke to you?"

[@Athelarius]

But then again, at least we got to see Arthas make his appearance as a crystal and then a puffy cloud. Maybe if we find half of Arthas soul somewhere, he can get his redemption and then we can all wake up in N'zoth's carapace and forget this all happened.

[@ProfessorWaffel]

@@Athelarius i just wanted to see my boy again :'c got into WoW in Wrath and i just want that feeling again, even if its only for a second, just let me see his face and hear that music one more time D:

[@txdmsk]

@@Athelarius 35 anima Arthas is a perfect example of the quality of Blizzard's writing this expansion and the last. Makes me sad and angry.

[@06024d]

@@Athelarius maybe we still in nyalotha and this is some kind of old god rick rolling stuff

[@Starbright-cm4ji]

But Arthas wasnt controlled... he did most of what he did on his own.

[@chrissmid8660]

I can't believe the Forsaken didn't have any relevance this expansion. Not even when their former leader is the main character

[@Athelarius]

Calia Menethil and Lilian Voss have supposedly been working together since BFA's end on a future for the Undead. Maybe we'll see the fruits of their labor in Undercity now that Sylvanas is gone.

[@ForgottenSoul]

Who are the forsaken? The vampires?

[@Alknix]

@@ForgottenSoul No, it's the undead who freed themselves from Lich King's control (like Sylvanas). They're a playable faction, less evil undead. A bit less evil.

[@ForgottenSoul]

@@Alknix thx man

[@lastscout3981]

@@ForgottenSoul you’re joking right?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Tyrande gave Nathanos death. Tyrande gave Sylvanas hard labor.

[@Athelarius]

More like community service actually.

[@DarkePacific]

And to add to this, where the hell is Nathanos in all of Shadowlands?

[@suzandouglass5241]

Tyrande gave Sylvanas the opportunity to find Nathanos

[@canon07]

@@Athelarius rip she killed her BF.

[@petersander5802]

Dont say that haven't you seen the machinima?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine if Sylvanas cleared all the souls in 2 hours.

[@chabri2000]

We should repeair the eye of the jailer and remove mounts (like it was at first in the maw for us), to timelock her from completing the task quickly

[@sarephina2629]

Bet she can pull 1hr 30mins

[@Athelarius]

Twenty copper says we pull her out of the maw next expansion to help out with the next threat.

[@suzandouglass5241]

not if she's limited to 20 souls a week like the rest of us ;-)

[@lorencproductions]

“Yeah, so I knew exactly where the Jailer’s secret stash o’ souls was…” “We cool now Tyrande?”

[@mikhailg4667]

I'm glad Kerrigan got a unique and original redemption story.

[@Athelarius]

Just needed the whole transformation into a being of light and a Void expansion and we'd be on our way.

[@puwdibyepuwdi2450]

@@Athelarius can you please tell me name of the song that used at the end of the video

[@evgenkhersonets880]

@@Athelarius I believe her redemption arc was in Heart of the Swarm.

[@Darlf_Sevil]

@@Athelarius technically her true form is a big slimy Xelnaga but they are shapeshifters so ...

[@englishtea1057]

Poor owl, why did he have to go with her to the Maw

[@cameronmcewen9666]

SHE! And it had to be done!

[@danthomas1879]

im betting further down the line she will arrive at a leader meeting and speak of the new evils in the maw or some muttered bad tidings that cant be dismissed

[@StainderFin]

it is maw owl

[@Athelarius]

The Owl gives a 50% increase to soul collection when within 35 yards of range. A truly great buff!

[@KaminariHouse]

Well hey, someone's gotta watch Speedrunner to make sure she's not cheating.

[@Tetricus57]

Genn and Anduin have fantastic voice actors.

[@cameronmcewen9666]

Voice actors who should reprise their roles when an animated series is finally developed.

[@Athelarius]

The art team and VA department have been carrying this franchise for years. Now if only the story writing could match such excellence, Warcraft would be the number 1 franchise out there. So much potential, if only love & care could be applied in the writing.

[@Dayth_]

@-The_ Emperor- Anduin was dominated by the Jailer, Sylvanas did everything of her own volition.

[@nazarenogualco1199]

@-The_ Emperor- Considering that Anduin was a slave and Sylvanas did everything by her own hand and her own will...

[@Dayth_]

@-The_ Emperor- Sylvanas was under zero obligation to the Jailer, no debt to be paid. She was given an option and she took it. Being second-in-command to a monster isn't an excuse to do horrific crimes because you're not at the very top of the command structure.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like how Sylvanas looked back to her sisters. Telling us that Sylvanas still has Elfinity in her.

[@petersander5802]

She's always had that. The banshee queen died in the last raid and Sylvanas Windrunner The Ranger general of Silvermoon returned.

[@Athelarius]

Given that her ranger soul was returned that’s why we see this new Sylvanas in-game. That and Uther had to negotiate between her torn soul in the previous Cinematics.

[@FootballerMuffy]

She always loved her sisters more than anything. Her sisters and quel thalas are everything to her

[@marrymejisoo3413]

It was never lost

[@lorencproductions]

Side note but I love Alleria and Vereesa’s nicknames for each other, “Lady Sun” and “Little Moon.” So cute! I wonder if they also have/had one for Sylvanas…?

[@nicowood6477]

They do! It's Lady Moon

[@fr801]

In the book she's lady moon and Lirath (their brother) was little lord sun

[@HattoriHanzo09]

@@fr801 her late brother*

[@MrVlad12340]

More like “Ball of Dung”.

[@Anvarynn]

Which, when you consider Sylvanas's nickname for Anduin... You really do start to see her humanity leaking through "Little Lion" Did she see him as a little brother? Because I'd personally love that.

[@Najemniczkas]

"Every soul will be given chance at Redemption" *looks back at Sylvanas talking to last part of Arthas' soul that in no way was given such chance*

[@Athelarius]

Even having Arthas share one final talk with Uther and Jaina before fading into nothingness would’ve sufficed. Instead we got puffy, disenchanted Arthas.

[@IgorSalaj3578]

@@Athelarius I honestly never found Arthas to be redeemable at all. He's better off as irredeemable villain.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Sounds like the August celestials and Garrosh…and we see what happened after that

[@Najemniczkas]

@@IgorSalaj3578 Sylavanas is irredeamable villain. But instead they just let her atone for her sins and had her around them the entirety of last patch. Meanwhile Arthas, who really was full on controlled by Jailer while being LK just gets disenchanted with Sylavanas, out of people, talking shit over it happenin

[@killiandw]

@@Athelarius I was hoping for the same, but with this looks like they have wrapped up all the stories from the RTS. It's closure I wouldn't say good closure or the one I wanted, but closure

[@FredThePhoenix]

Crazy how I don't recognize this game anymore. Such weird storylines. When I was enjoying Legion with my friends, we all thought we were going to free Azeroth of Sargeras' sword and then venture into a war Light against Void as heroes of the planet who defeated the Burning Legion. Turns out we started playing war against the Horde again and turned sideways into the realm of the dead after that... At least this game was amazing. Oh and Athelarius, tons of prayers and positive energies for Molly. I'm not familiar with you guys or this channel, but I read your post and find you guys very brave!

[@felipepetersberchielli1651]

The world and lore of Warcraft became a weird high fantasy chimera long before the Shadowlands but in this expansion the story reached new highs or rather lows, it is so convoluted, non sensical and it retcons so much that it is just a shell of it's former self now

[@Athelarius]

She thanks you for your kind wishes. This channel is one of the things that helps keep her going, along with keeping up with WoW lore. In honesty though, after Legion, had high expectations for the WoW lore direction and BFA had a promising start. But then Nzoth was scrapped in a patch and then shadowlands turned out the way it did. Hoping next expansion is a ray of light.

[@Sybok51288]

they lost me story wise when the space goats crashed with their space ship and high elves joined the horde, but that was a while back

[@nathanielthompson479]

Okay, the wind runner trio part was so amazing. Despite how they feel and what sylvannas has done, they never give the impression that they would ever turn they're backs on sylvannas nor cease any communication with her, the 2 sister make it out to be like they want sylvannas to come out of their memories and out of their pasts and into their future because that's what they want and that's so powerful. Elves are not like humans, they are much older and much wiser and just their culture shows how so much deeper relationships are to the elves as they've known each other for thousands of years and this small part demonstrated that.

[@valkyriesardo278]

Yes and that explains precisely why Sylvanas is beyond redemption. By your own words, she should have known better and done better.

[@yashatheninth4160]

​@@valkyriesardo278Thats why she wasnt elven anymore, she was the undead and the banshee

[@chabri2000]

Did you notice that the souls are stil going into the maw while the cinematic happens?

[@Athelarius]

Pelagos forgot to clog the drain for a few short seconds. Probably gets a kick out of it every now and then. Just

[@latedala07]

Every Night Fae covenant member watching Sylvanas be assigned the quest we've been doing all expansion....well if I knew she was gonna do it, I would've left it alone. O_o

[@DiscipleCain]

Fuck no, I don't trust her to do it right. She can sit and spin and watch while everyone cleans up her mess and she broods about it.

[@Athelarius]

Thirty Five copper says we pull her out of the maw next expansion to help out with the next big baddy. That and Sylvanas has a heavy exchange with Tyrande over who gets to keep the owl.

[@latedala07]

@@Athelarius HAHAHA the owl's like..."Tyrande, you signed me up to stay in this awful zone for an entire patch without asking first! and Sylvanas has done nothing but find souls and feed me soulfire-roasted mawrats. I'm staying with her for at least the next expac >:("

[@gemblengoon]

The owl is like, "wow wow wow, wait what?, you sending me to the deepest depth just to watch over her!? why suddenly i got the same punishment as her except finding the lost souls???"

[@Athelarius]

Poor owl, doomed to roam the maw for eternity. But then again, sylvanas may end up befriending the owl and they become quite attached to each other.

[@Meow_Zedong_1949]

Well someone's gotta keep an eye on her given Tyrande has no reason to trust her.

[@spencerdampierre1785]

The Owl got some Dark Souls Flashbacks x)

[@moscanaveia]

If you played WC3, you know that own is immune to damage so it'll be fine

[@andsribeiro]

FUCK, WE NEED MORE FROM KAELTHAS. Damn it man, so much potential wasted.

[@petersander5802]

And Bring Arthas Menethil back while you're at it.

[@SomethingSimilar442]

@@petersander5802 No please dont. His Story is over and none of these new writers could do him justice!

[@petersander5802]

@@SomethingSimilar442 I can

[@Mythication]

@@petersander5802 “I’m built different” vibes

[@YT-mp7ei]

Nobody cares about Arthas and Kael. This is not Warcraft 3 anymore. Their stories are 20 years old so no thanks.

[@notalive_zombie]

You know maybe showing Lirath in this expansion to all the sisters would have been a nice touch. But then again the shadowlands just does what it wants with the souls its given.

[@EliteRocketBear]

Pretty sure the current writing team doesn't know anything of the lore that happened before Legion.

[@notalive_zombie]

@@EliteRocketBear i know. I just didnt want to start a comment war. Hell they retconned the other brother out of existance. So much lore is ignored to male the square fit the circle hole.

[@Athelarius]

The Windrunner reunion, Lirath, Lor’thermar and Kael’thas. Baine and Cairne. Anduin and Varian. Saurfang and Varok Jr. So many interactions we wish we had in SL. Still hopeful we get many of these as the wholesome conversations are the best part out of this expansion.

[@notalive_zombie]

@@Athelarius Seriously! All we get for Anduin and Varian is a damn voice clip and a hand on his shoulder. You're in the damn afterlife and never once did the writers think to go, oh yeah! They can literally meet their lost loved ones. Hell we could and should have ran into saurfang and varian in the maw.

[@Anvarynn]

@@notalive_zombie Pretty sure Varian's soul was disenchanted by Gul'dan. Not just dead, but his soul eviscerated...

[@zidneya]

8:23 Lor'themar: Those who died are here. Is there anyone you would seek out? Me: I wanna speak with Arthas. Everyone: you can't, get over it. Me: I can't, the heart wants what the heart wants.

[@Athelarius]

“They never really go away. They may come and go but part of them remains in our hearts forever”

[@suzandouglass5241]

Thanks for posting it this way. I was one of the lucky ones whose game crashed right as Tyrande started to speak. When I logged back in. it was marked as Quest complete. I felt robbed.

[@Arakius1]

All the souls in the background still going right to the maw

[@Athelarius]

Pelagos didn’t clog the drain. Just a few thousand souls misplaced, nothing to worry about!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Alleria: 😠 Vereesa: 😢

[@darkwoodmovies]

I like how she just gets to keep all hear weapons and armor during her punishment.

[@navyt6380]

Because it's not a death sentence. It's a penance. If she runs into any trouble while freeing souls she should be able to fight it

[@Demicleas]

@@navyt6380 But what if she tried to fight her way out?

[@Ceriu]

@@navyt6380 should be a death sentence, no armor, no weapons, send in assassins afterwards if she somehow survives.

[@elunaxalt]

@@Demicleas She's insn't a maw walker, so unless we go over there, bind our soul to her (so she can go through the portal of the First Ones) and activate the portal for her, she can't get out.

[@callistazaraaurelia5609]

4:14 Alleria : You deserve it sis, you have caused a lot of problems and terrible things! Vereesa : I'm sorry that you have to do this, sis! I'm gonna miss you!

[@moistgoat8170]

I keep thinking about the BFA cinematics and what could have been with similar ones in SL

[@ShadeStormXD]

remember the saurfang arc cinematics, amazing visuals, actual character development that progressed through the xpac fuck

[@Athelarius]

Love the new updated animation for the in-cutscenes along with the better lip-synch. A lot of the BFA cutscenes would’ve been phenomenal with these upgrades.

[@thorleif8872]

0:46 The steward in the background 🤣

[@Athelarius]

Just a bit gltichy. That or the owlkin is in heat.

[@MrVindoon]

I really hope the intro will be done in the form of a cinematic or rendered cutscene. Would be great to see the expressions of everyone as she submits to Tyrande. With the facial animations they've got, it could be a much more impactful moment.

[@GlitchBytes]

People DO care about Arthas and Kaelthas, and we are the people who have been paying for the game over 10 years and we are many in number. I'm sick of people saying our opinion doesnt matter, yes it does and there are many of us and i play with a whole group of people who love Kael including people NEW to the game. Arthas and Kael were great charchters that bring feels and purpose to the game with their huge lore and story. Kael was retconned twice, he went from being a calm spoken prince who wanted to study in dalaran and was reluctant to lead to being a mistachioed crackhead villian the moment he set a foot in outland just because blizz was short on time and needed bosses. Then he was retconned again in shadowlands to being a petulant brat placed in the emasculating time out zone and he has no justice. (To live, i tell myself he left a clone of himself in shadowlands and actually peaced out to DOTA2 as the Invoker, since the Invoker is based off Kael.) How awesome it would be to have him and lorthemar (whom Kael appointed as regent) team up. Place kael in the chair behind lorthemar in Silvermoon so i can say hi once a day and ill shut up. Have him wander around Silvermoon chillaxing so i can click on him once a day for a short comment and even just that will be enough to make up for taking this huge dump on his lore. Or make him come back as the leader of sanlayn so we can have vampire belfs. They even fired his voice actor. They even made him go bald in one patch the ultimate humiliation. And Arthas should not have picked up the sword... but beyond that the lich screwed with his mind and corrupted him. He gets his soul extinguished while everyone else gets a chance to redeem? Arthas ain't resting he's been erased! But meanwhile tyrande got a whole redemption story and comes back to life, and sylvannas gets to go to the maw and save souls cause she's super sorry for genocide (that's not a punishment). I guess you gotta be female, i guess that's it. But then even illidan had a castle of concubines and then we got lectured for hating him and they turned him into a hero. I say this as a woman, the scales aint balanced here and the male charchters got emasculated this expac and i want justice for Kael and i likewise understand how upset the Arthas people are. The story has to be written by AI bots at this point.

[@Athelarius]

"Arthas, alas, my son, you shall be disenchanted into crafting materials for the Jailer, and then monologued by an undead elf before fading into Nothingness" Next up Nozdormu goes to the past and stops Arthas from taking Frostmourne before he goes back to Lordaeron to build the Iron Alliance! Next expansion hype! Still hope we see Lor’thermar talk with Kael’thas at least before we depart the Shadowlands.

[@RexxyRobin]

Wait really? I always thought Arthas was lame and boring. So I barely even paid attention to what SL told us about him.

[@rksworld4405]

i dont fathom why u could possibly complain: u like a char he got a story u like and everything nowadays turns to shit that the story touches. i wish the chars i liked would have not been touched and therefore ruined...i envy arthas who just didnt have to apear in shadowlands and got his chrakter not altered

[@darkman3252]

@@RexxyRobin whiminn

[@Ceriu]

Ya fuck Sylvanas she deserves 100% oblivion and the worst possible torture imaginable for all eternity.

[@AshendisTV]

First Illidan, now Sylvanas. I guess ActiBlizz... *puts on shades* Put the elves on the shelves. *YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH*

[@schippes24]

you forgot about the badass nightelfes we saw in wc3.. they've been put away for far too long and i dont suspect we will see a comeback soon. was hoping for a more raw nightelf side again after malfurion burried that orc alive in the cinematic of bfa

[@lorencproductions]

Nice

[@moscanaveia]

@@schippes24 "Far too savage", just like Grom said.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Nice to see that someone at Blizzard let their kids write the Shadowlands storyline and dialogue.

[@cristiancaravan6140]

Damn, Tyrande looks jacked.

[@Athelarius]

**Illidan looking down with lustful intent from above**

[@Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg--1266]

I love how oblivious Tyrande is to the fact that Sylvana's eye color is blue now , not red. You'd think she'd be more observant and make the connection that something is different ?

[@keithfilibeck2390]

she knows, she doesn't give a shit, Sylvanas ruined her life and killed thousands of her people.

[@BlackVelvet888]

Wait im confused, whats the point of Tyrande putting a blade to Sylvanas throat while they are in the shadowlands? If she killed her then Sylvanas would just go to the maw where Tyrande was going to send her anyways?

[@Athelarius]

For dramatic effect of course. That and the whole dominant Tyrande and submissive Sylvanas is just inspiring wonderful pieces of art. Hmm.

[@BlackVelvet888]

@@Athelarius looks like I've got some uh research to do

[@lorencproductions]

@@BlackVelvet888 uh… let me know your findings.

[@Lbelm77]

I love Tyrande's rage in this scene. So warranted. She acknowledges the influence over Sylvanas, but at the same time, she aint trying to hear that bullshit. I felt every single venomous word she spat at her.

[@Athelarius]

Definitely agree. Think Tyrande’s VA managed to capture that restrained anger toward Sylvanas quite well.

[@4rnnr117]

@@Athelarius 99

[@hotrodpawns]

i have no love for Tyrande, her attitude from the very start of wow has always been foul, always acting like she was better than absolutely everyone else.

[@Dowlphin]

I have a hilarious screenshot from this notoriously buggy game, from that scene. It expresses that Tyrande was so full of loathing that her face lost a couple levels of detail. The way she turned her head, it was just great comedy.

[@moscanaveia]

@@hotrodpawns I do so agree with you. Ultimately she's a stuck up little zealot, and has been since she chose to free Illidan. That said, all her wrath against Sylvanas is just.

[@xudipurdue]

Arbiter: 😶 Tyrande: 🤬 Alleria: 😠 Vereesa: 😟 Anduin: 😔 Jaina: 😤 Greymane: 😡 Lothermar: 🤐 Owl: 🤯 everyone else: 😑 Me: 😭

[@HopeEra7]

Sylvanas deserve more suffering

[@HopeEra7]

@@Nominuggs I'm just still sad for what happened to saurfang that's all

[@unclenickdr]

For those who think sylvanas deserves worse… she have enough with this tyrande put in her shoulders… to deliver all the souls she condemned to the maw… that is enough punish for her…

[@unclenickdr]

@@insaneyoohoo sad, but true.

[@Porkey798]

@@HopeEra7 Sylvanas has suffered enough. I hope we don't get to see her again so I can at least remember the great character she was pre BFA

[@impas2349]

Only I think all shadowlands was made just to redeem Sylvanas? Every major character who has something to do with Sylvanas helped her with Redemption arc. Anduin - His enslavement reminded Sylvanas what Arthas had done to her. But of course, even if she committed genocide, golden boy still saw her bright side. All Anduin did to be a boss and planted a seed of uncertainty about her actions. Uther - Despite many killed by frostmourne only Uther and Sylvanas were important enough to talk about splitting souls. Uther literally became her therapist and shield so Jaina and the rest of the leaders didn't kill her right away. Zoval - Character created only to be blamed for all the crimes of Sylvanas. Writers had to figure out a way to save Sylv so they quickly created Zoval and a mechanism splitting soul. Arthas - bring back only for Sylvanas to have a monologue about how much she has become him. Which apparently force us to sympathize with her. Tyrande - Her only goal in Shadowlands was to kill Nathanos so Sylvanas would finally rebel against Jailer. And telling Alliance she's okay with all criminals who destroyed her people.

[@cameronmcewen9666]

You obviously don’t know what redemption is.

[@alephniguroth7105]

@@cameronmcewen9666 its the start of a redemption arc. Wait 6 years when she saves us from whatever.

[@THEREALBLU13]

When anduin was kidnapped at the beginning of shadowlands and greymane immediately yells “sylvanas!” Made me think greymane would blame sylvanas if he stubbed his toe

[@AnalysisParalysis-f6n]

Thrall looks like hes about to jump into the Maw and beat up Sylvanas himself

[@Roshea]

unfortunately. knowing green jebus, he'd just fence sit for another 2 expansions

[@borgri5871]

@@Roshea i doubt it, metzen no longer writes at blizzard, only voices thrall, and the writers that replaced him are natural man-hating feminists

[@veslar]

@@borgri5871 That is actually a very fair statement.

[@Roshea]

@@borgri5871 glad you agree

[@Alice3372]

@@borgri5871 🤡

[@henyourface]

Saved me another $15! Thanks!

[@DoctorFail]

Tyrande: There will be no peace for you until there is peace for the souls of your victims- Danuser: and all of her victims were raised into undead and loved it and me- i mean Nathanos and Sylvanas lived happily ever after

[@cameronmcewen9666]

Danuser NEVER said that.

[@DoctorFail]

@@cameronmcewen9666 you have all the personality of a brick wall you know that?

[@smattonellus8354]

Disgusting

[@Aerdna866]

I cried when the Baine-dialogue came up.

[@Athelarius]

My favorite here aside from the Windrunner sisters. Wish we could see Baine do more aside from just being walking beef, but it was a touching exchange with Lor'thermar. Also hope he has his reunion with Kael'thas.

[@RK-zh1ib]

My Theory 1. The Primus dominated Zovaal to open the way to Zereth Mortis as well as have Death gain Azeroth's trust (Order 66) 2. The Primus kept another shard of Arthas for safe keeping (Arthas was also split into two souls) 3. The Covenants will also help save the souls in the Maw (There are covenant forces stationed Korthia)

[@MrPeaceFroggy]

Its obvious that Zovaal was controled by someone, he was controled by domination magic specifically , his rune symbols on his face and his armor (when it goes off in a similar way that anduin's went off after he was free from domination magic) shows us that! I agree to everything!

[@Max-ej4oh]

Poor chick, I wanted the writing team to get rid of her already, and they sent Sylvanas to do dailies in the Maw. Damn... rough, I'll rather die.

[@Athelarius]

Technically death in the Shadowlands would pull her into the maw. And then maybe super maw in the super shadowlands.

[@rahn45]

So did anyone else play "Where's Genn Greymane?" in that cutscene? You could be forgiven for thinking he's not even there at all since he wasn't important enough for a reaction shot, let alone a single line during Sylvanas's "judgement". Gotta love the absolute non payoff of any of the countless people Sylvanas has wronged. Just Tyrande and her magical lifting of her rage, changing of her heart, and sudden infusion of mercy.

[@Athelarius]

At least we get to see Genn talk with Lor’thermar and Anduin at the end. But he had as much reason to play a role in Sylvanas judgement as Tyrande.

[@rksworld4405]

what u mean? he was sulking in back. hes legit just hate and regret and nothing else

[@Josh-99]

I don't know... Tyrande just condemned Sylvanas to decades or possibly centuries of daily quests. I could barely take a week of them before giving up, so it seems to me that Sylvanas received a fate worse than death.

[@ChaoticNakka]

While others are not a fan of Arthas' fate, I think it's kind of fitting. Arthas went through so much control and manipulations throughout the years before he's killed. And even then, we would know that his soul was in the Jailer's hands from that moment, going through even more twisting and warping. It makes sense that his soul just vanishes. He's tired and just wants to rest. His theme gently playing in the end just kills me though. Arthas is what got me into WoW after becoming obsessed with his character in Warcraft 3. It's such a bittersweet moment, but now he's without a doubt at peace.

[@moscanaveia]

His controlled period was proportionately small compared to the long periods he ruled as the Lich King, unimpeded and uncontrolled

[@MegaHelloKitty4]

Man i like this ending, the task Tyrande gave is such a good fit. everybody is done with sylvanas this expansion, and she gets send off to the maw. For a good cause! I really think WoW went full circle. If the game would end with this, it would end in a good way. It has me hooked for the next expansion, but untill then, i am done playing.

[@yankokassinof6710]

yeah i mean, it has come to an end and that feels good, i dont feel motivated to play further than this past month, all good, everything comes to an end

[@VDA19]

Tyrande: " You will basically be there forever. " Owl: " Sounds good. " Tyrande: " And my bird will keep watch over you. " Owl: " SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW "

[@Crimsonyte21]

You will be there 'forever'... ie until next expansion

[@Legendofz1984]

The Ingame-Mimic is really nice. Put it in the Game... This 20 Years old Engine is magical sometimes

[@chabri2000]

now tyrande's owls will suffer along with sylvanas

[@Athelarius]

I can see the owl getting attached to Sylvanas and Tyrande has a pillow fight next expansion over who gets to keep the owl.

[@chabri2000]

@@Athelarius She took tyrande's home, now her owl. What is next? her bushand?

[@standhaftgarithos3832]

"I submit to the judgement of Tyrande Whisperwind." I have seen a lot of cringe in my life, and I have developed a decently high resistance to it, but I still sustained critical cringe damage when I heard that. Also, feels like that poor owl is getting the same punishment as Sylvanas. Why do so many animal people seem to secretly hate animals??? Edit: great video editing by Athelarius though, even if I hate what Activision-Blizzard has become.

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

There was a lot of cringe, but it's become the norm for the writing department for some years. The accused gets to choose who will be their judge, I see no problem whatsoever lmao

[@standhaftgarithos3832]

@@ovidiudiumea4012 I choose as my judge... me! I find myself innocent and cleared of all charges! Case closed.

[@heli0ns]

"Turalyon will keep the Alliance safe in my absence." Oh boy KEKW

[@Athelarius]

Incoming light vs void conflict, especially since we’ve seen what happened with Yrel back on Draenor.

[@AlqantDBlank]

oh you know Turalyon is gonna be the next bad guy

[@Niteshiftmonkey]

Right; they’re going to make him into super Fascist “if it ain’t light it’ ain’t right”. I expect him to eventually remake or use the Argent Crusade drum up old nonsense in the Eastern Kingdoms. Probably attempt to fully retake the Plague Lands and Remnants of the Undercity. We know Greymane would absolutely back that decision. Which would eventually put him at Odds with Bolvar Fordragons Scourge, serving as a buffer between the Forsaken seeking refuge from the new Crusade. Who knows they might even make Bolvar or the Ebon Knights join the Horde to protect the last of the Forsaken.

[@benacewoofstorm]

Doubt it they been doing to much faction leader bull , its terrible writing if we on that bull next exp

[@AlqantDBlank]

@@benacewoofstorm There must always be a bad guy. They already pulled otherworldly bad guys now we need a bad guy from home. Also, the horde seems stable for now, I really believe the next bad guy will come from the alliance.

[@cameronmcewen9666]

@@benacewoofstorm There doesn’t need to be a faction leader.

[@eclipsedbadger]

*awkward Alliance chuckles* ha ha, I'm in danger... 😃

[@Chazzvc]

Sylvanas and Illidan will return in a future expansion in the Nick of time to save the day. Though illidan is somewhere in space and Sylvanas is in wow hell, they will spawn some BS portal because the writers said so. Sylvanas will have some long talk to illidan about how she can redeem herself, Illidan will do his head turn smirk thing and say some line about it being a long uncertain path that will most likely never reach its destination.

[@Erick-yh4ou]

And i an looking forward for kaelthas and lothermar reunited i hope they talking about sylvanas and illdan and i hope jaina show up and say hi to prince kaelthas uyy

[@cameronmcewen9666]

Should also have Jaina discussing what transpired recently with Tyrande.

[@Athelarius]

So many interactions we wish we had gotten. The Windrunner reunion, Lirath, Lor’thermar and Kael’thas. Baine and Cairne. Anduin and Varian. Saurfang and Varok jr. Still hopeful we get many of these as the wholesome conversations are the best part out of this expansion.

[@lorencproductions]

Well, Jaina can finally put her feelings for Arthas to rest, so maybe just maaaaybe…

[@cameronmcewen9666]

@@lorencproductions Go on…

[@moscanaveia]

Weird love triangle. Why do you bring up weird love triangle? It's just teenage storytelling that

[@that1worriedgengar]

Sylvanas woke up from a bad party only to suffer the consequences from being to hammered when she tried to make it a good party for her friends.

[@jasonpike5821]

Sylvanas: Manipulated by the Jailer. Sentence - eternity of dailies. Anduin: Manipulated by the Jailer. Sentence - All cool, brah. Arthas: Manipulated by the Jailer. Sentence - lulz

[@th3ra83]

It is better off he dead as unredempted hero rather than living full of retcons

[@jasonpike5821]

But imagine what they could have done had they had competent writers. I can dream.

[@Dragnmastralex]

goes to show you its not who you know but what you blow.

[@comet392]

Perhaps she should have been force fed Tyrande's body waste for eternity.

[@SomethingSimilar442]

Sylvanas was not manipulated. She says that herself in this exact Video. The Jailer had shown her the mechanism of death and told her why He thinks its unjust. He made her some prophecies and when those came true she decided to ally with him for what she may thought would be the greater good. Arthas was neither manipulated. He sought out Frostmourne because he thought he needed this power to save his entire world. He commited crimes only to reach it and even before he knew of it (Stratholm). In the Sylvanas Book we learn that Arthas was in fact trying to thwart the Jailers plans and was also somewhat successful in that he didnt obey to Ner'zhul and the Helm of Domination. (We dont know what the Lich King would have done if the Jailer actually had control over him but Arthas' aim was to raise an undead army which the Legion couldnt stop) This is why the Jailer actually destroyed Arthas' soul once he got his hands on it.

[@pointblank25]

This whole ending drives me insane. Genn getting a snippet of dialogue about his son, but Tyrande still getting "revenge" for the only genocide she thinks took place at the hands of Sylvanas is annoying. Especially considering he doesn't even say it with rage, just a little grump. I do hope he's pissed at Tyrande. There was no stakes in this entire expansion. Anduin's fine, Tyrande's fine, Sylvanas is going to be fine. The only ones we lost were the ones Blizzard was pissed we still loved, Garrosh, and Arthas for example. And Tyrande trying to say that Elune stayed her hand because of the "redemption" Sylvanas gets, even though Elune essentially allowed the tree burning in the first place feels like they had no idea how to explain it all. The only good parts seem to be Lor'themar, Baine, and the Windrunner trio talking briefly. I really hope this expansion will forever be behind us. I even accepted some of the weird parts of WoD, and BfA. But I find it real hard to defend anything in Shadowlands.

[@RexxyRobin]

What do you mean "no stakes"? We could have lost Anduin, Tyrande, Azertoths world soul. Baine, Jaina and Thrall seem to have ptsd. This expac was gutwrenching and fascinating to me.

[@Jeod]

As for Elune allowing the Burning of Teldrassil, it is explained in her conversation with the Winter Queen, after we save Tyrande from dying from excessive night-warrior-ness. Elune's intention in letting the tree burn was to supply Ardenweald with souls as she was aware of the drought. She was unaware of it's cause though, which resulted in her unintentionally dooming her favored children to torment and erasure within the Maw.

[@Jeod]

@@RexxyRobin And Jaina had been traumatized AGAIN, remember Theramore. It really seems like Blizzard decided to make her the most tragic character of the universe. I was really sad to see her expression during the judgement of Sylvanas, especially right next to Anduin who looked like he wanted to save her.

[@lepkember6913]

sometimes few words and passive language speak more. Sure its easy to understand anger if someone rambles with outrage, but with those few, cold sentences, I found it more scary. Like he doesnt want to say out loud what he feels, cuz that would be an open threat. Or he is not willing to show any rage towards Lor'themar, because he feels like he doesnt even deserves that attention. Dont get me wrong, this expansions lore sucked ass, but I dont think that Genns few "grumpy" lines were intended to sideline him. I think they are building up to a story where the Alliance may end up in inner turmoi. Genn still has a lot of rage within him towards the Horde, as we have seen, and Turalyon has shown signs of being a devoted extremist, who sometimes has Scarlet-ish tendencies. We have also seen pamphlets of the Scarlet Brotherhood, a remnant of the same crusade, intending to fight alongside Genn, and then backstab him to create a new, human oriented Alliance. I may be overinterpretive and on too much hopium, but I think Genn will have a bigger role in the future, and I dont think he will be a pacifist. Especially not while Anduin is still staying in the Shadowlands. And there is a lot of potential in the Alliance having inner division imo, so if they dont fuck it up, it may be pretty fun and entertaining lore.

[@Imaanyi]

@@Jeod so Elune accepted her "favored children" to be roasted in a gigantic barbeque just to give her sister enough fuel for overcoming the drought? Wow, that's truly barbaric. Elune isn't a goddess then, but the pure evil. Or she's just dense af.

[@alrightythen391]

Sylvanas's punishment is that she has to play shadowlands for the next X years. Brutal

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

Wouldn't want that on my worst enemy

[@chrismills2439]

1 year later and this is still not justice Tyrande has shown herself willing to blame the whole for what the half did.

[@ShadeStormXD]

"we have to get rid of warchiefs" says the horde as we watch Baine and Lor'themar have a single conversation that shows both of them would be incredibly better warchiefs than the past. Thrall was good for awhile but fucked up putting up Garrosh and then went boohoo in Outland after his shaman larp phase. Garrosh was a great WARchief, so i dont know why Thrall would put him in charge during peacetime, at least everything he did he did for the horde. VOLJIN was so fukin hype for war chief and then he got backdrafted for a whole xpac and then immediately killed. AND thanks to contrived bullshit he was manipulated to make Sylvanud warchief, EVEN THOUGH SYLVANUS HERSELF SAID SHE DIDNT WANT IT AND WORKED BETTER FROM THE SHADOWS, all while Baine and Lor'themar were standing right there and 800% better leader options Sylvanus did some stuff in legion and then started a fourth war for *contrived reasons* due to *unclear motivation*, fukin lost Lordaeron in exchange for a toasted tree and some shitty coastline(that the alliance took back anyway) but it turns out all those moves werent supposed to make sense, she was just trying to bump her KO ratio since she was retconned to be working for the jailer since WotLK, even though she fukin very clearly was not and her personality and actions did not reflect this until the writers decided *hurrdurr alliance good horde bad again*. Not to mention all the people she kept reviving with plague to fill the forsaken, DEPRIVING HER ALLY OF MAW SOULS WHICH IS *APPARENTLY* SUPER VITAL TO HIS PLAN. oh, what was the jailers plan *mumbling evil* *villaindialogue.txt* okay well what was his motivation *mumbling evil* *villaindialogue.txt" oh we defeated him just like that, well will we at least find out his motivation *hurrdrr the end goal contradicts everything the the shit writers have contrived to be my fault* fuck this xpac, fuck the inability of the writing team and FUCK WHOEVER IT WAS THAT DECIDED WE SHOULD FUCK AROUND ON TIMEGATES DOING MEANINGLESS QUESTS WHILE THE ACTUAL INTERESTING STORY DEVELOPMENT AND CHARACTER MOTIVATION GET RELEASED IN A BOOK AFTER THE FACT i piss on you

[@mandagray22]

This cannot get upvoted enough.

[@datemasamune2904]

Baine was too young, and Lorthemar doesn’t exactly have the warmest relationship with the rest of the Horde. If anything, the Blood Elves were only allowed in the Horde because Sylvanas helped convince Thrall.

[@TheStr0ke]

@@datemasamune2904 Anduin and Talanji are two of the most competent leaders but Baine is too young?

[@datemasamune2904]

@@TheStr0ke Talanji learned from her father on how to rule an empire, a far more complex society when compared to the small nomadic tribes of the Tauren. Anduin learned also at a young age, and is also a bit more familiar to the different races of the Alliance. However, even after he was finally crowned king, his pacifist approaches were met with criticism from various leaders. Even Greymane had to call him out. It was fortunate that they’re just not as aggressive as the Horde. Baine, on the other hand, would need to learn a whole lot about the extremely different races of the Horde and be especially delicate with each one. While trolls, orcs and Tauren seem to get along fine, there is a bit of friction when handling the Goblins, Forsaken and Blood Elves.

[@andy7377]

Baine couldn't be Warchief because he was too buddy with Jaina and Anduin. This game is called World of Warcraft not World of Peacecraft

[@MrOrcshaman]

Surprisingly, this does give me some kind of satisfaction. Sylvanas was a bitch as the banshee, but in her lost soul fragment being restored, it felt like a cop out as if she got redemption after all the lives she killed. But her old self knew their had to be penance, and all the lives her dark half killed and sent to hell itself had to be brought back, so the old ranger now in control went through with it all. In a way, the banshee sylvanas has been erased from the story in the same way Arthas and Garrosh were, the old ranger sylvanas is now in control.

[@TheOneYouCantBEAR]

Personally, I didn't feel any satisfaction because the cutscene felt not like a cinematic from WoW but more like "You're going to Brazil, [SFM]" but it's Maw, and sylvanas is now a victim and Tyrande is a bitch because of it. At least now she's trapped inside shadowlands expansion for longer than all players did

[@karbonythe]

I personnaly hate the separation between the two parts of her soul. Sylvanas was a bitter ex-living being who turned exactly like the ones who killed her and she sweared to destroy. By separating her soul, she basically became not responsible for eveything she did

[@cameronmcewen9666]

@@karbonythe She wasn’t separated from her soul. Her soul had been fractured. Learn the difference!

[@karbonythe]

@@cameronmcewen9666 that is why I said the separation between the two parts of her soul Learn to read !

[@entertain1048]

As without Sylvanas after Shadowlands epilogue, Alexstrasza, Yrel, Valeera, and certain others need being back in the next expansion.

[@benborah1264]

The book fills in so much of her backstory and helps this make a lot more sense

[@Alexandterrara]

Wait hold on now that I think about it we know for a fact Arthas' soul was split in two and Jailer never got the other half right? Just like with Uther's soul escaping? So baby Arthas could be separate from the Lich King Arthas?

[@karbonythe]

Yeah, in the novel where Sylvanad commits suicide, she sees child Arthas, and I guess she was in the maw. Maybe little Arthas will be back !

[@Athelarius]

We’re more fans of the possibility a bronze dragon flight member goes back in time and stops Arthas from taking up Frostmourne and he goes back to Lordaeron to build the Iron Alliance. Sounds kinda familiar.

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

@@Athelarius No no, maybe mix it up a bit... I know, the Steel Alliance! Brilliant...

[@OmniMon94]

i object to sylvanas's judgement i object

[@Athelarius]

Overruled. Angry elf has overtaken the verdict!

[@Snikpoh1390]

I haven't played WoW since WOTLK, but I gotta say, seeing the very last of Arthas fade away hit me a bit. It was like an ending to a game I played a decade ago finally come full circle. Very neat. Thanks for the content!

[@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821]

for a minute I thought Blizzard finally got the balls to have Slyvanis face the consequences of her actions...

[@rachlangl787]

Arthas deserved a redemption way more than she did.

[@FayMew]

Sorry not sorry. If so, then anyone who acted foolishly and got people killed would have to face consequences, you would have nobody left. No gnomes, no goblins, no nightelves, no humans, no trolls, nor orcs and that wolf dude king would have been thrown into a volcano. At least she had the excuse of not having a soul. I'm fine ignoring this expansion as a whole.

[@Ceriu]

Agree'd but nope shes still alive and not suffering for all eternity sooooo ya...im so done with this bs lol.

[@moscanaveia]

@@rachlangl787 Nah, he didn't. We only see Arthas being a bratty stuck up princeling who thought he knew better than everyone. We see Sylvanas struggle from the moment she first pops up as the antagonist in the three Quel'thalas missions on WC3, to the moment she is named Warchief in Legion.

[@okamireader5]

Free every single soul in the Maw to be given fair judgement by the Arbiter... Sylvanas has a monumental task ahead of her, but I suspect it is more than she could have hoped for, and Tyrande showed wisdom and perhaps a shade of compassion in giving this task to Sylvanas to begin her penance. There's no telling how long her quest will take, but I believe Sylvanas will return triumphant or not return at all. It is indeed a start towards her redemption, and while some, like Greymane, may never forgive her, I hope that in time Sylvanas may one day be able to forgive herself. As for Tyrande and the Kal'dorei, they don't have to really forgive Sylvanas either, but I hope they can find closure and one day let go of their grudges and animosity, so that their hearts can begin to heal. Anduin has undergone terrible trauma as well, and it is understandable that he does not want to return to Stormwind. Not yet... He needs time so that he can heal as well Alleria and Vereesa at least got a brief moment with their sister, their true sister, not the banshee that she used to be, and they have hope they will see her again, meaning they have faith in her and that one day they may be a family again Baine has no need to find and speak with his father, becuz he has carried his father's memory and love and wisdom in his heart while having the strength of spirit and wisdom to accept his father is at peace and Baine himself is at peace, and that there's no need to stir up old memories

[@Athelarius]

Also think we may be pulling Sylvanas out of the Maw in a future expansion but for the time being, the sentence will serve the Night Elf souls lost in there. As for Anduin we've yet to see what effects extensive domination magic has had on him but he did say every time it was used he would lose a part of himself. Alleria & Vereesa's reunion was probably the best part although a bit short. And really looking forward to seeing Lor'thermar talk with Kael'thas after his talk with Baine about Cairne.

[@normandy2501]

@@Athelarius If I were her I'd just be asked to be put somewhere else after all is done and just mind my business fishing and pet collecting like don't call me lol.

[@LordMortanius]

Sylvanas: Oh sure I invaded your kingdom, murdered your son, tried to wipe out your people and tried to damn the world to Super Hell, but that's ok, I forgave myself! Tee hee! Everyone else: U wot m8?

[@nataliarossi87]

So many great opportunities lost… they went to an expansion in the afterlife and we fail to see very important characters that should have had at least some appearances, as Tyrion, Varian… worse… Arthas story was butchered… no redemption, no final closure, nothing… just a faint blue light floating and then it’s gone… the writing in this game reached a new level of incompetence. I am glad I don’t play this time sink anymore, but nonetheless I still miss the good old days when the game used to be fun and had good writing.

[@epic-o2215]

Arthas story was already over, they could have expanded it, and maybe they planned to, but it was already closed since WOTLK. To reopen and possibly mess it up (look at the track record) would have been more criminal than doing nothng. Arthas is the other side of the token, the one that has no chance at redemption, and is a fate that could have fallen to sylvanas as well. There was no butchering becuase they didnt do anything with it, and there was closure YEARS AGO.

[@odst123451]

Apparently he did redeem himself in a way. The newest books talks about him opposing the jailer so he got both prices of his soul shredded.

[@SomethingSimilar442]

I agree with Epic-o. Arthas' Story was long over. Why would you want redemption for him. Its not like Arthas was mind-controlled to become the Lich King. He did that despite warnings and did horrible things just to reach this power. He may have had noble goals but He was overly confident and willing to do anything to reach his goals. The end wont justify the means

[@moonrazor2039]

you arthas fanboys are annoying

[@nataliarossi87]

@@SomethingSimilar442 But actually Arthas was mind controlled. At the end of the ICC cinematic in WoTLK we clearly see that the power that the helm and frostmourne had over him faded… he woke up and was coming back to who he was when he asked his father “Father… is it over?”. His eyes were glowing no more and at that moment he was Arthas again, not the LK.

[@gamer65688]

The Expansion may have been a mess lore wise, but this ending is the one thing I like about it.

[@dusk6686]

I mean, I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of those victims in the maw and they only sent Sylvanas to get me out. I mean, there are millions upon millions of people waiting in line. Are they all just gonna be tortured beyond compression while they wait EIONS for their turn to be saved by her? NOBODY IS GONNA HELP HER? All those people are gonna suffer for countless years just so that Sylvannas learns her lesson. Nobody from any of the covenants will help save those innocent people who are endless agony? This whole solution wasn't really thought out well. "Listen, I get that you're literally in hell, but we're just gonna send one person to deal with that. Have fun waiting while she cleans up her mess!"

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

As with all things in WoW lore, the writing team has no idea what they're doing. Best not to think about it too hard

[@fJ3K01Sp]

I had exactly the same thoughts. Maybe you will also move your ass, Tyrande, if you're so merciful and good hearted?

[@Oceanworker]

U gotta ask yourselfs now what happens to the undead? They no longer have anything

[@Athelarius]

Calia Menethil and Lilian Voss have supposedly been working together since BFA's end on a future for the Undead. I expect we see updates to Undercity next.

[@ed6852]

Shadowlands completely ruined the lore of this game for me. So basicly when you die your soul gets judged by freakin robots??? All of arthas powers are also from robots??? Like comon man I wish this expac never released. The writing this patch just killed it for me I glad I stopped at the beginning.

[@exeortegarubio]

I hope that by the time Microsoft completes the acquisition, they just reboot the story.

[@ed6852]

Same here bro they need to do what RuneScape is doing and just continue the game from after vanilla or wrath

[@lorencproductions]

Technically like 90% of all sentient beings in the Warcraft universe are robots (corrupted creations of the titans, like orcs, ogres, dwarves, humans, etc.), which we already knew prior to this expac. So idk, it doesn’t strike me as that odd considering what we already had.

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

@@lorencproductions Yeah it's been an absolute mess for a long time. They're still making it worse all the time somehow.

[@phoenixboyz]

Looking forward to see Kael’thas and Lor’thermar conversation

[@nicolaspetiot]

"UhSylvatrance: - Can I have a refund of my soul if I clear 100% of the Maw's souls? Tyrande WhisperSteam: Sure, if you can do it under 2 hours."

[@Athelarius]

She’s got eternity to practice and perfect her run timers.

[@karthiksekar2009]

1) Arthus was manipulated by a god and a arch demon to become the lich king. 2) He had no control over his action while Sylvanus knew exactly what she was doing and was not being manipulated by anyone. 3) The killing and Slaughter that Sylvanus did is on the same scale if not more than Arthus. 4) Most of the people that Arthus killed were not damned - we see his father's soul and other souls that reached the golden city, while Sylvanus condemned everyone to the Maw for their souls to be tormented for all eternity. Even a small portion of Arthus soul dosent survive while Sylvanus gets a redemption arc. Guess it pays to be a hot babe.

[@alonespirit_1Q84]

I know it's hopeless, still I do hope for a full-fledged animated series of World of Warcraft. The lore deserves it.

[@domidium]

The PROPER lore. Not...whatever this expansion was...

[@Josh-99]

It can end at the end of Legion, which is about where the lore REALLY lost its way.

[@sheppo]

Is 9.2 the first patch that has in game cutscenes with lip synced animations? They’re really good!

[@Athelarius]

Definitely a great improvement for the in-game cutscenes. First time we saw was with the Anduin one where he stops the Jailer;s army so we can teleport to Oribos. They've gotten really good now.

[@abcdc197]

Then in the twist nobody expected Sylvanas escapes the Maw in the next expansion and she goes back in time to Warcraft 3 timeline to become Lich Queen, take over the Scourge then invade Azeroth in the current timeline with it. The champions of Azeroth must travel back in time to stop her.

[@douglaswester9304]

My question now is, what about Nathanos?

[@Athelarius]

Probably Sylvanas bumps into his soul in the Maw. Or maybe the Jailer disenchanted that one too along with Arthas.

[@valentinperrot35]

Genn to Lor'Themar : As for me, peace is something I will never know. Not while the monster who killed by son still endures. Genn to Anduin, 2 minutes later : Those actions were not your fault ! You cannot blame yourself.

[@Ceriu]

Sylvanas chose to be a bitch she needs 100% to be executed no excuses. Shoulda been killed EXPANSIONS ago.

[@valentinperrot35]

@@Ceriu there's a cutscene earlier in shadowlands that shows that Sylvanas' soul had been severed, causing her to watch herself carry out the actions of the previous expansions. She didn't control any of it. Her soul is restored shortly after the end of 9.1, after which a Sylvanas much more akin to who she was in life emerges

[@Foxhood]

I hate how i can already predict the future based on what i've seen. Within a couple of expansions Tyrande's bird will reappear informing everyone that Sylvanus has fulfilled her punishment and is now free from the shadowlands, but not yet made herself known. Then eventually there is a big bad and at the last minute she appears and helps eliminate it before reintegrating into the (meta)plot. It is tired, cliche, lazy and we all know that is exactly how blizzard tends to write such things. They already hint at it by having her sisters talk about "maybe" eventually seeing her again.

[@lorencproductions]

I mean, you may be right in that Blizzard will somewhat botch the execution of it all, but I do hope they *will* meet again. Just like I hope they bring Illidan back at some point too, but it has to be done carefully.

[@Athelarius]

Can actually see Syivanas getting attached to the owl. And then she and Tyrande have a pillow fight over who gets to keep the owl.

[@Foxhood]

@@Athelarius A Custody battle with Dori'thur stuck in the middle and ofcourse not having a say in the matter... Not gonna lie, i'd do quests to see that.

[@mallory8238]

Great work !!! I’m currently searching for the music at 5:45 :))

[@io_est]

I actually kinda like most of the stuff in these scenes. The further Shadowlands got from the stupid Jailer and his "plans", the better the story got. I appreciate that they wrote an ending that is willing to take a more compassionate lens of justice without copping out with "and Sylvannas lived happily ever after :)". It ain't perfect but I can enjoy it I guess.

[@odst123451]

Sylvannas will be back in a few expansions.

[@Athelarius]

The Windrunner reunion, Lirath, Lor’thermar and Kael’thas. Baine and Cairne. Anduin and Varian. Saurfang and Varok Jr. So many interactions we wish we had in SL. Still hopeful we get many of these as the wholesome conversations are the best part out of this expansion.

[@Dreyden-]

I think it would have been more affective if Tyrande went down there. She's scary crazy.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like Tyrande's braids.

[@melina001a]

Regant Lord wow straight out with the Nuremberg Defence, 'I was only following orders', I can understand why Greymane is so angry

[@santi3991]

Why is everyone on the shadowlands? Man, so much for being the afterlife...

[@Grimuald]

No matter what Blizz will write new... They are dead to me. I will not forget what they did to Arthas.

[@hahaimasian]

So, when is it an alliance leader become an expansion villan? I thought Jaina was gonna be a Villanova, given how much she hated the horde after garrosh nuked theremore and the horde retreated and wyrn died

[@ShadeStormXD]

ikr, fukin writing lowhanging fruit. horde bad, let go siege orgrimmar again and then the new council will be evil. and all the alliance characters will be good guys no matter what they do ("JaInA ")

[@teriddax3692]

I'm okay with this ending. Sort of the same compromise with Illidan, not just killed off, but not buddying around with us either. Given that the Maw has been around since the beginning of time, this could take any length of time in-game or in real life. Sylvanas has been in the spotlight for a while, I'd be grateful if we didn't see her for a few expansions. Fingers crossed.

[@Ceriu]

Best outcome, she dies in the maw, the ABSOLUTE best outcome.

[@wdf70]

I won't give the writing team any credit for this trash of an expansion's story. But DAMN the Art and Animation team carrying this ending with those cutscenes. Tyrande is pissed and you see every little bit of the emotion. I don't think anything they make going forward will bring me back to the game, but I'll likely still follow this story until the bitter end...

[@Dowlphin]

Most of these I missed. Maybe because of script bugs. I did check out the dialogue options, the stick-around-and-listen, but they are missing lines, which is really sad (albeit unsurprising for Shizzard) considering the expac is near its end. Giving that away for free now gave me a good reminder of what to expect in the future, too. Likely worse than this. As always, the art is enslaved by the business. The story is generally quite alright, even though there is of course the sighworthy bits to push the gameplay context. The story of Shadowlands seems very comtemporarily important to heed, and I wonder whether anyone does ponder it deeply and can affect the world in a positive way, or whether it is mostly just delusion or ignorance. - Hard to say whether the world today would be even worse without such material conveyed or no different.

[@cameronsmith508]

As they continue to flow into the maw😂😂😂 still love this game guys try roll play in a casual sense and you will understand

[@datemasamune2904]

Kind of wish there was a point to Sylvanas letting us meet her after BFA. Kinda gave the impression that we would be allowed to go against the Horde and Alliance.

[@moscanaveia]

People bitched to no end about BfA, but gameplay-wise, it introduced a lot of amazing mechanics especially in pvp. I'm talking 1st stage Warmode (before it turned simply into gankfest for a handful of level capped against levelling players) and the lovely N'zoth corruption mechanic in the last arc of the expansion. Following up on that would've been great

[@SWR182]

*Sylvanas is submissive to Tyrande* r34 artist: *starts drawing*

[@Athelarius]

And animations. We mustn't forget the importance of animating such fine art. Hmm.