Synology HAT5300 vs WD Ultrastar vs Seagate EXOS - Which Should You Buy?

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

Correction: I looked at the Seagate data sheet for the Exos X20 and X18 and both only have 256MB of cache, not 512MB as this video suggests.

[@pettypendergrass8596]

22:30 a plastic box on top of a card board box may not be the best set up for a sound test. they both resonate sounds. I hear the nas rattling.

[@mrfluffyhedgehog]

i'd consider the synology drives, if the company went not completely overboard in the price. the drives are based on toshiba disks mb-series and those are a LOT cheaper than the ultrastar or exos. right now you can get a 16TB toshiba for ~260 € (and that is including tax so end consumer price not business prices). charging that much for what essentially is a BUDGET datacenter drive with a new sticker slapped on and the names changed in the firmware is a shameful rip-off.

[@joelnrs]

I thought you would knock over a drive, but you were careful and it paid off. Great video!

[@moogs]

Synology drives are the biggest con on the market. I sold my synology hardware and will never buy that brand again.

[@topgazza]

Have to agree. They have long ceased to be an innovative, solution driven company. They are just milking their customers with their dated technology as long as they can. Sure their OS is good but not that good. People like Terramaster and now maybe Ugreen have moved things along

[@ryanmalone2681]

It’s even worse than you’ve articulated. Even if you have a 100% Synology/DSM system (enclosure, NVMe, HDD, it’s on a UPS, DIMM, etc.), and there is an issue, they won’t take responsibility and will blame it on whether you press the “on” button correctly or some other BS. I wanted to upgrade to a 12-bay system and was able to purchase a 44 core, 36-bay, 16TB NVMe, 256GB RAM, 65TB statement for the same money as an empty 12-bay anclosire with no storage, no expandability, 4GB RAM, and a Celeron, for the same money. Even worse, the Synology drives required to be supported are twice the price per TB as any other enterprise/NAS drives, not to mention if you like DSM you can run it as a VM in Proxmox. They’re useless.

[@bobwong8268]

👍👍👍👍👍 Thanks, almost forgotten how loud those can be: been using them since 80386 days... Hmmm.... still in the planning stage of setting up a homelab NAS. Just recently setup a Proxmox Pfsense for my homelab; new to both - interesting learning time. NAS would hv to wait till that's properly done. You are a good source of info, thx again.😊

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

Finally, a test showcasing how these things should be sounding when healthy. These noises are terrifying if you have nothing to compare them to.

[@softwarephil1709]

I’ve had excellent success with Seagate IronWolf.

[@GregHolman1]

Would be interested also in getting a comparison of energy usage at idle and average and full utilization next time. And getting more info on SAS setup particulars in a DIY TrueNAS type environment.

[@PerfectExsneeder]

You made typo on the text in beginning of the video, you wrote "Ultrasatar"

[@marianmarkovic5881]

considering pricing, i usualy go for Best price for terabyte when buying drive, ant those are drives on between half and 2/3 of bigest capacity drives.currently exos 16TB have great pricetag,...

[@yomo68]

How come you didn't do speed tests both large files and a multitude of small files read and write?

[@gamedoutgamer]

Thanks for this video! Idle noise comparisons are also very nice to know, please. =) Also you mentioned a 'pro' version that is more consumer oriented for WD or is that only for Seagate? What models are they? Are the HC3x0 series more quiet? Are they just as reliable as HC550 and HC560? Would like a very reliable drive like HC550 but quieter if possible. Willing to put up with (mostly idle) noise if the 550's are the most reliable. Most of the time the drives will sit idle (spinning).

[@alberth6461]

I didn't see any discussion of Optinand. did i miss that?

[@richardajoy79]

Sod using these drives when watching digital media, I'd either have to turn the telly up or wear earphones...dang.

[@AndyMitchellUK26]

To be fair, odds are you'd be using this in a NAS to host the media on a network. If you're doing that then you'd be putting the NAS by your router which ideally would be somewhere away from the TV. I know that is not always possible but in my case, I have my router and NAS in a cupboard under the stairs. You can always get Ironwolf drives if you want quieter as they are designed for home NAS use.

[@souravbinkhokon4147]

Should I use enterprise capacity hard disk for my home desktop pc? Will it conflict?

[@SFALKSC]

The video is very well done, but the main doubt I have is about the sustained transfer speeds that the hds can do, so far I have not been able to find a video showing this.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

For most NAS use that is really not all that important. First of all if you are looking at 10Gbit then you can quite easily saturate it doing sequential transfers to and from something like a 8 disk R5 array. if you are looking at enterprise grade storage solutions you are not going to be looking at buying some random drives. You will be buying and using drives provided by the storage solution provider. And if you specify that you need 10 GB/s (approximately 100Gbit) then they will sell you a solution that will solve that, and it will be expensive... Back in early 2K I did build a test system using Adaptec controllers and a bunch of disks and I managed to achieve a total of 3.3 GB/s. This had the Adaptec techs quite happy given the hardware used. Drive speeds has not advanced quite as much as all other computer hardware in the years that's gone by, but sequential transfers back then topped out at something like 100 to 110 MB/s, and that was the fastest drives. 10Krpm WD Raptor drives tended to hover around the 120 MB/s mark. I don't remember the numbers for the 15Krpm drives of the era. Since then areal density has gone way up, and 15K rpm drives has joined the Dodo. The result is that a normal 7,200 rpm drive can top out at over 200 MB/s sequential. Now I have no experience using Seagate drives with the Mach.2 tech, so I can't really say anything about those. But no matter how you slice it if you need performance there's nothing currently on the market that beats SSD tech.

[@tgrunnet9050]

Hi, nice comparisons. However looking at pricing, I think you should include Toshiba drives (MG8/MG9), not being rebranded by Synology. They also are not specific for Synology NASes, and probably the cheapest.

[@Michael.Chapman]

I use a HGST (WD) Ultrastar HC550 16 Tb for my premium home PC. The range of technology incorporated and the performance are great. I don’t believe WD was ever inferior to Seagate because WD owned HGST :-)

[@TheBrownSys]

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a mention of reliability/failure rates. To me that's the most critical consideration. Performance is a close second, while low noise is a "nice to have". Historically Seagate seems to have the highest failure rate according to data from backblaze. There is no such data for Synology drives. Given the premium price and the unknown reliability of Synology drives I don't know why anyone would ever consider buying them. I don't understand the repeated focus on firmware updates. What's better than easy firmware updates? Not needing to do firmware updates. I've been managing a very large NAS for almost a decade and never once have I had to update firmware for a drive. How many problems do Synology drives have that they frequently need firmware updates? Most WD/HGST drives have very good reliability data and are only slightly more expensive than Seagate. To me the choice has always been clear. I also do not understand why people buy these prebuilt, very expensive, NAS units. You can take an ordinary PC, add a cheap HBA (LSI 9200 for example), install TrueNAS and you've got something even better. I get that they "make it easy" but it seems to me if you are technologically literate enough to setup a synology NAS, you probably won't have any trouble installing TrueNAS.

[@kernzilla]

the X18s have one of the worst failure rates according to backblaze. the 16tb seems to do well tho

[@garfieldirwin]

Too late -- last week I ordered nine 12TB refurbished EXOS drives (with supposedly 0 hours run time) for $200 (CAD) ea. from Amazon. (8 for my Synology 1821+ and one cold spare). 😁

[@Drayton2k]

Link? Please and thank you

[@russella7263]

I avoid anything with sea and gate in the name. Of all the drives I’ve bought over the last 30 years, Seagate are always the first to fail. Ultrastar have been the most reliable (not so much since WD took them over) followed by WD then Toshiba, even Samsung have outlasted some of my Seagate drives.

[@TecraX2]

Me too, let's hope that WD will continue to treat the UltraStar name with the respect it deserves...

[@panchalhardik4118]

Ultra star has now 26tb model also.

[@TecraX2]

It's basically the 22TB model but with SMR instead of CMR...

[@RickBung]

Thkssssss

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

Everywhere where i look ultrastar is the expensive one >.>

[@DominikKristek]

Having to update FW on hard drives is just silly. I miss the old days...

[@babagogo1981]

I had 14 seagate 2TB drives on my LSI RAID6 around 13 years ago and 12 of them died right after 1.5 years of usage. and recently I had 10 seagate ironwolfs(not the pro version) on hardware raid6 again, 6 of them die and I had to move all my data around to HGST , Toshiba and WD disks and remove ALL the seagate drives out of my server! I will never buy Seagate hard disks again! I have some WD green drives in my box that last longer than then all my Seagate drives really! To save your time and money, do not consider buying Seagates!

[@felixg.6493]

Wait what. I can't believe that's about the hdds.

[@nowplayingahsan]

I believe you man. Seagate reliability is going down on a consistent basis. My Seagate 10 tb hard disk failed on me losing all my personal data.

[@haganame1240]

Were they from same batch/box? It could be a faulty batch or damaged during transport, can happen to any brand. Nearly all failing at the same time is pretty unusual.

[@toddpeterson5904]

I've been sticking with HGST, WD, or Toshiba. Seagate drives aren't bad, but if you look at the Backblaze drive reliability reports, the Seagate drives are usually the worst performers

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

Same.

[@tredfxman]

Funny coz its the opposite with their report out just 3 days ago on Seagate Exos 7E8 model... And its way cheaper than the WD mentioned in same article seen HERE: www.pcgamesn.com/gaming-hardware/seagate-hard-drive-backblaze-2023-report

[@Rom-Baro]

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[@GeorgeGadgets]

How is it possible that noise? I was almost already going to buy one of these brands, seagate exos specifically because a soanish youtuber was saying that it was the best, and thanks to you guys, with your comments, I saw that several of you said that exos die fast too. It also happened to me in the past but I though hey well maybe now seagate is better with their Exos! So... Nope. And now, the biggest help from NASCompares. I COULDN'T imagine that noise level!! It's almost grotesque! So, I was planning to have my first NAS in my room, and so, it is clear that I CAN'T with that noise or anything close. Argh! All 3 make too much noise!

[@Harmik2]

Noticed the note about the 18TB Synology drive in August, actually a little surprised I thought they were going in 4TB increments. But have you heard any rumours about a 20TB unit, If not can you please do some digging? Cheers

[@Rom-Baro]

Never Ever Seagate! Seagate no matter which one, they all cause problems again and again. Only HGST/WD!

[@Sam-Fisher]

Hello!

[@JonathanSwiftUK]

I assume these are props, perhaps made of cardboard. You never put a drive on a table, ever, on its end or side. You keep it flat. Take it from an old lag who once put a drive on their desk, on its side, an expensive new enterprise HP (well Compaq then) drive, only to accidentally nudge it, where it fell flat. Once installed it didn't work. You need to have respect for your drives. Synology have screwed themselves, lackluster hardware, lack of 2.5g networking, innovation stalled, now gouging their customers by forcing you to use their drives. I would not buy a Synology again, but I'd probably build my own, run TrueNAS and use free software in containers for any apps I needed

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[@hariranormal5584]

Synology drives? I never knew they made them. I think it's from Toshiba or something nevermind: it was mentioned in the video, they are from toshiba

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

Price point? I believe you mean price.

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[@simbad3311]

Video is full of missinformations like 512 MB etc....amateur video. And dude u have "talking" problem....in some cases it's unwatchable honestly. I'm srry coz of that but that is true. Maybe will be better to find someone who don't have that type of problems when talk. Good luck

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I got vicarious embarrassment by reading your comment. Unless you have a serious mental problem, your attitude is a disgrace and reflects your arrogant nature.

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