Which is the better synth? This video goes through two dozen custom patches, focused on how each of them sound at their best.
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@invertedbeing79982 жыл бұрын
Never owned either, but from that video, I find the 8P much more interesting!!
@warlock2426 күн бұрын
That's interesting, as I favour the 3P. Found the 8P lacking punch.
@venelinpetrov68113 жыл бұрын
We've been missing you. Quality content, as always!
@insidesynthesis3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@guytori93302 жыл бұрын
I have both, I generally agree the 3p is probably a better buy just for the fact that it is so raw. On the other hand the 8p has that synth wave 80s vibe and nostalgia that people have grown to love and the thinness in the sound actually is a good thing clearing the way for dedicated bass lines from other sources
@hardwaresecuritymodule2 жыл бұрын
I have had my JX8P for 6 years now (with the PG) - I've always wanted a JX3P as it sounds more like my Jupiter6, but easier to manage than the very unruly sounding Jupiter - great vid and I think you're spot on with your observations. Could never sell the 8P - the pads are to die for - they each have their own place!
@geofff66712 жыл бұрын
You mention the JX3P can sound like the more expensive Jupiters and Junos but the Juno was not an expensive synth when released and was in the same price category as the JX3P. Also you mention it’s bass is not bad for a DCO synth, but the Juno was also a DCO synth. In practice having owned VCO and DCO based synths I don’t think there is any discernible difference in bass. Differences depend more on the oscillators themselves and filter. I’d take DCOs anytime for their tuning stability. I only mention these things because some may find your quotes misleading. But great comparison.
@insidesynthesis2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the feedback! I was speaking to current pricing rather than original pricing. But the JX-3P originally retailed for $1395, while the Juno 60 was $1795, so it was substantially cheaper back then too. Personally, I prefer VCO monosynths for most bass, like the first Roland SH synths (beautiful sounding!), Minimoog, and Pro One. If I'm using a polysynth, then I prefer VCO for big fat unison patches, since unison sounds awful on DCO. But DCO synths like the Junos can do great tight and precise bass patches and I do like that too,
@deejayemceeflounder43282 жыл бұрын
I have a JX3P and a Jupiter 6. Both can do pretty good bottom end if you’re prepared to tweak it, the envelopes being a big factor in that. The JX3P is easier in that respect, the software envelopes of the Jupiter 6 offering plenty of clicks. I should scope it, but I think that’s because the software envelopes are faster and the VCOs being free running cause the click as the envelope is open in time to pick up the VCO wherever it is in its cycle. In other words I need a slight attack to get rid of the click in the bottom end. All this said, the Jupiter does sound larger all round, and is more capable.
@torbenanschau66412 жыл бұрын
A closer comparison between sounds as similar as possible would be nice. One trick many forget about the JX8 P: You can actually turn the Chorus OFF. And you can even only use one oscillator. And then the 8 can also sound unlike typical 8 Ps. More direct, less hifi. The only thing it's missing for being a top analog synth is PWM-Modulation. On the other hand what it really has above most others are velocity and aftertouch. That's often overlooked, maybe because nowadays many keyboarders aren't into actually playing these days. But especially on a Poly it's useful, because if you play with both hands, you rarely have time to tweak knobs - controller or not. But using the Velocity on the different targets (quite a lot in the 8) and the Aftertouch for filter or vibrato it adds a league of expression.
@GretchZ9 ай бұрын
Well, a 3P can be modded for more features than many many synths. An MKS-30 modded goes for under 2k and I cannot list all the features…
@warlock2426 күн бұрын
This is a good, useful video that speaks to prospective buyers of either synth. The 3P was one of the first synths I ever played and I liked it save for the fact you couldn't twist knobs and change sounds in real-time, like its larger predecessors. I also like the final clip of the girl, it's like a nod to Jexus (Olo Garb).
@OfficialRainsynth2 жыл бұрын
I'd just get the 8P, I love its wide and deep sound.
@aboveaxis2 жыл бұрын
3p is my fav synth of all time.... know that thing inside and out
@richyr7772 жыл бұрын
They go well together, 8p has nicer Pads and 3p is good with leads, the perfect match, Just get both with the controllers. 😁
@lassel16442 жыл бұрын
Id owned both of them the JX8P like 3 or 4 times. The JX3P has some good sounds but the variety of the timbres are so much better on the JX8P. The electric piano is great for instance. You cant create an electric piano on the 3P...no no
@filipzawadzki9424 Жыл бұрын
To EPs you use Rhodes or emulations. I use Yamaha P105 Digital Piano with Rhodes sounds just for it and JX-8P couldnt possibly compete with it.
@lassel1644 Жыл бұрын
@@filipzawadzki9424 Of course not but for being a kind of Analog synth the pianos are good
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
Don't use mean no-can-do?! (I can't go for that!)
@lassel16443 ай бұрын
@@lundsweden Even Hall & Oates would agree
@killswitchmediastudios2 ай бұрын
I have them both and Juno 106. They are different machines used for different things. I like the JX3P as an all rounder. The JX8P is great for pads. I like the Juno for bass, horn stabs and pads.
@SandcastleTheory3 жыл бұрын
It's the 3P all the way for me. No contest. ;) Cheers!
@trumjohannsmancave Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I do love the JX-8P and souped up brother JX-10😀💥💕🎹
@RoomAtTheTopStudio3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. I really enjoyed that
@insidesynthesis3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jerzilla37952 жыл бұрын
I still think I like the 8p better, but this is the first comparison video I’ve seen that actually makes me want a 3p
@Death_By_Media3 жыл бұрын
Very nice and welcome back .
@insidesynthesis3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robertdavies34602 жыл бұрын
I miss my JX3P, loved it. It was my very first keyboard
@karimazeli26532 жыл бұрын
I have a jx3p since 1996. Still a beast for bass, pads and leads. The jx8p sounds more.."controlled" maybe due to its aftertouch and velocity features. I think both of them, together make a great team!!
@lundsweden2 жыл бұрын
I owned the JX8P, yes all the points you make are spot on. I remember thinking it could sound like a virtual analog when I had it. I guess in 1985, digital was cool and they were trying to make it as close to the DX7 as possible.
@GEOSynths3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have a JX-3p and used to have an 8P and JX-10, great Synths, though I agree, the 3P is the better Synth...I even made a Bank of patches for it while I was moving my Studio around...Anyway, great demo at the end too.
@insidesynthesis3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@LousyFacelift2 жыл бұрын
Judging only from KZbin videos this confirmed exactly how I evaluated these two great synths. I went with the JX-3P with the Dtronics controller and now I'm fully convinced I made the right decision, thank you!
@lundsweden4 ай бұрын
Funny enough, I've owned two different JX8Ps, and they IMO sound a little different. There is also some minor differences with front panel colors and one version has patch names on the front. I currently have a December '85 model (you can look the serial numbers) and I really like the sound of this one better. (The other one had the patch names on the front).
@Shred_The_WeaponАй бұрын
Although I admittedly came to this “fight” already favoring the 8P out of loyalty (the one I own is the second analog synth i played and the first analog polyphonic I played), I am glad that I stayed for the finish. The things I favor about the 8P might not necessarily supersede what’s in the 3P, but I think the 8P and the MKS-70 module that I’ve also got each hold their own enough that the 3P isn’t a synthesizer I am eager to look for.
@farquoi3 жыл бұрын
I had a jx-3p in the 80s and I always thought the envelopes were slow. I know all these sounds here.. it's pretty much all that it does. The Jx-8P has always intrigued me -- although it kind of looks like an intellivision gaming console. I have JX-03 boutique now.
@stefanbasslorraine80619 ай бұрын
crazy sounding machines !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@killswitchmediastudios Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. I had the JX8P and didn't gel very well with it, so I gave it to a friend. Got a JX10 and loved it. Got the JX3P and loved it. I think the JX3P does DX sounds better than the 8P. I lucked out on a Juno 106 and realized these are all different synths in many ways.
@ericmontgomery52412 жыл бұрын
What might have been an interesting test is to put together a short tune where all the presets come from the 3P. Then use the same exact song using the most similar 8P presets. Not sure it would change any opinions, but it may cause us to rethink the worth of the 8P? In any event, nice video.
@DonSolaris2 жыл бұрын
Still have your MKS-50 here in the rack. Still remember how that eBay username sounded familiar eventually figured it out who it was from. :)
@insidesynthesis2 жыл бұрын
I remember the MKS-50! My dream is to do a Jupiter 4 vs 6 vs 8 vs MKS-80 video. Even if I kinda know how I’d rank them already, it would be good to compare their signature sounds in a single video.
@DonSolaris2 жыл бұрын
@@insidesynthesis + rev 5 MKS-80 ;)
@80ssynthfan48 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I weighed up between JX3P and Juno 106. I decided JX3P for lower cost. The price includes a Dtronics controller. Should have it in a couple of days.
@whitelightenergydads2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Could you do a tutorial explaining how to get pwm using the sync on the jx-3p? That would be cool! Thanks!
@JeuneLysOfficiel Жыл бұрын
These sounds are awesome ! The Patch "SYNTHBELL" at 1:28 is beautiful..! Have you ever shared some sysex personnal banks ? I'd be really excited to try some of your presets.
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
I think it's either a preset, or a slightly modded preset (I have a JX-8P).
@JeuneLysOfficiel3 ай бұрын
@@lundsweden Tanks ! I think I created a pretty similar preset on PG8X.
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
@@JeuneLysOfficiel Saw waves and XMod,?
@JeuneLysOfficiel3 ай бұрын
@@lundsweden Seems like both DCO's are Square waves, and Cross Mode engaged, yes (or maybe Saw on DCO 2 only)
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
@@JeuneLysOfficiel Cool, I think the sync and x-mod on the JX-8P make so many interesting sounds. My latesr trick at the moment is trying a little pitch Osc 1 or 2 while in sync or x-mod mode. Lots of interesting Bell-like and metallic ring modded sounds to be had!
@Howdy6062 жыл бұрын
Owned both. I preferred the 3P. If you turn off the chorus on both JX's the 3p still sounded good. I feel the 8P relies to much on its chorus fx, particularly for the pad sounds its supposed to be so good at.
@d4r0xx0rАй бұрын
When I first tried a JX3P, back in the 1980s, I was expecting a DX7-ish synth - and, at the time, I was NOT a fan of the DX7! I hated the DX7 (and all FM synths) back then, due to an in-shop demo that convinced me FM synths were boring, static synthesizers... when I asked the salesman what I could do by means of expression (hoping for some way to access the equivalent of filter cutoff), he said "it has a LOVELY, RICH VIBRATO!" He threw the mod-wheel up half-way on whatever factory preset was currently playing, resulting in a cheezy sea-sick noise that even Nik Kershaw would blush to use on one of his B-sides. No sir, no DX7 for me! The day that I first tried a JX3P - I only had a shot of the JX3P as I was waiting on my bus arriving, and had time to kill. I slipped on the headphones, expecting, due to the lack of knobs, another DX7-type of synth... ...but - hold on! It was wonderful, robust, and full! The bass was beefy, the brass was bold, the strings were silky and seductive - the chorus added a new dimension to the sounds too! And, lo and behold - did I not see, upon the silk-screen at the right (which explains the structure of the voices) those magical words: "Cutoff Frequency"? I had read some unenthusiastic reviews of the JX3P at the time, mostly complaining about the lack of knobs/slider for programming, but I was not daunted - I had discovered a classic synthesizer, and at the time, it was quite cheap for the keyboard minus the PG200 programmer. Since that first experience, the JX3P became my favourite analog poly synth. Today, I am happy to own a modified JX3P with the Kiwitechnics "Matrix" update, which adds another two envelopes, two more LFOs, PWM, variable chorus speed, and much, much more! Protip: IF YOU SEE ONE, GET IT! Due to the Kiwitechnics "Matrix" upgrade, people are taking more interest in the JX3P - so get yours while you can.
@you-tubero Жыл бұрын
2:24 can the juno-60 produce this bass? Sounds amazing!
@insidesynthesis Жыл бұрын
You can get pretty close with envelope PWM on the Juno 6 or 60. The JX3P doesn't have PWM, but you can use hard sync to emulate it. It has a slightly different, more aggressive sound when doing this that the Juno can't quite hit.
@reideid1195 Жыл бұрын
The jx3p sounds more basic and less refined, not more analogue. I can't hear any special Jupiter 8 energy in the 3p, and I owned a JP8 for quite some time. On the other hand, the 8p can really shine along with JP8 in strings and brass, for instance.
@kiko19352 жыл бұрын
If the jx8p had better envelopes I think it would sound a lot better. But the combination of slow envelopes and the alpha Juno filter make the jx-3p the clear winner, it just sounds way more satisfying in comparison.
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
There's ways around the slow envelopes. If I need a really fast attack for bass sound or whatever, I go into the FILT envelope settings, try all the different options (you can even pass it through a gate instead). Depending on the type of sound, I might do this for the AMP envelope too. There's a few different modes to try + gate mode for this too.
@lotus30com Жыл бұрын
I'vehad a 3P and an 8P. I eventually sold the 8P as I felt the 3P have more variation in sounds. I'm not making electric piano sounds, I want electronic synth sounds and the JX-3P deliver
@gffg3872 жыл бұрын
You really need the controllers to unlock what each one can do. To me, the 8p is more "professional" .It's if the Jupiter 8 and the DX7 had a baby, while still looking a lot more like the Roland part of the family. The 3p on the other hand has more vibe, it's more lo-fi and hype.
@amonster8mymother2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the super jx10 and D50.
@louiseisobelevans2 жыл бұрын
JX-8P sounds a bit like Alpha Juno
@keyboardkingpin Жыл бұрын
This is a great comparison video. I probably lean a little bit more towards that JX-3P. I own both. The Jx-8p is my pick for pads and strings. The jx-3p has fat bass and leads. I made a beat with a Jx-3p and a boss Dr.110 if anyone wants to hear a beat with just the Jx-3p kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZucl5ugrN56o6M
@besthusky38527 ай бұрын
Where I can get those soundbanks
@icecreammm22 жыл бұрын
I own and prefer the JX-3P. The JX-8P sounds great, but if it wasn't for the chorus effect, I would just think it's a modern virtual analog.
@lundsweden3 ай бұрын
I've owned a few JX-8Ps, some sound better than others. My current one is a Dec '85 model, with no patch names on the membrane buttons. It sounds absolutely amazing, much better than the one in this video. I would like a JX-3P to add to my vintage Roland collection though. Although I think I can get my JX-8P a little closer to the JX-3P's sound with careful programming (and maybe a better sounding revision) still the 3P still has something special about it.
@GretchZ9 ай бұрын
An MKS-30 is not especially expensive, even modded. Modded, the feature set blows the 8P out of the water. It blows many more expensive synths out of the water!!! The Kiwi mod makes it into a MATRIX synth with additional LFOs and envelopes!!! Of course, you can mod a 3P, but an MKS takes up less space, and you don’t have to handle your vintage gear directly, just a keyboard controller. You could leave the MKS in a closed rack box with midi connections added to the exterior and never remove it aside any maintenance needed. Just need to have the presets listed somewhere, though. Or control it with a computer. Or a programmer designed for mods. Yes, I’ve considered it. But my needs lean more towards a TG77. A TG81x might do me, but why skimp, especially when you’re layering with heavy guitars, and are insane with nerdiness.
@scottlarson15483 жыл бұрын
@4:16 How'd you get the jumping random filter sound? Does the JX-3P have sample and hold?
@insidesynthesis3 жыл бұрын
Yes it does!
@amonster8mymother3 ай бұрын
The jx8p has velocity.
@privatenexus5764 Жыл бұрын
1:20 Is it possible the JX-3p "sounds" punchier because without velocity sensitivity, EVERY note is hit at full velocity?
@insidesynthesis Жыл бұрын
It's more the envelopes -- the JX8P kind of sounds spongy when trying to do anything that needs snappy, regardless of velocity. It's really good for pads and strings though!
@privatenexus5764 Жыл бұрын
@@insidesynthesis but my point is that the velocity would change the envelope. Are you saying that the JX8P cannot do as fast attack (ie snappyness in my eyes, and maybe less decay/release and/or reverb, altered by velocity)? The comparison in the vid has you playing the synth, and you being human, it will "feel" if you have to hit one keyboard harder that it is less snappy. A blind midi test (all notes @ 127) would be better. I know when I was looking to get my last car, there was a mod that made the throttle respond as if it was pressed further, and the reviewer raved about it, multiple times, but always followed it by admitting he knew the car wasn't really anymore powerful. Thats the way withy non scientific & unquantified "feel" measurements.
@insidesynthesis Жыл бұрын
@@privatenexus5764 - It's true even with a JX8P patch that has velocity sensitivity turned off (so it's always at max). It's possible that it's more the overall shape of the attack portion rather than just how many ms its attack. I'm not sure how linear vs logarithmic they are.
@Johnsormani2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know what this video is supposed to demonstrate
@insidesynthesis2 жыл бұрын
You know those threads on forums like gearspace where people talk about one synth versus another? This is basically that, but with sound and video too. I tried my best to capture the elements that make each one stand out -- the solid bass and big resonant pads on the JX-3P, vs the FM-like tones and beautiful ambient pads on the JX-8P. The format could still use some work. Thanks for the feedback!
@Johnsormani2 жыл бұрын
@@insidesynthesis yes I understand, but if you don’t attempt to compare the same sounds ( at least sort of)it is of no use. , that is what I meant to say
@insidesynthesis2 жыл бұрын
@@Johnsormani - I thought I'd compare classes of sounds (basses versus basses, etc), while trying to make each sound the best I could individually, rather than make them sound the same. They each sound best in different ranges, and if I tried to make them sound the same, I wouldn't be showcasing what they're each uniquely best at. But you make a good point and I'll consider how I might improve it for the next Synth Fight.
@Johnsormani2 жыл бұрын
@@insidesynthesis ah ok i understand . I guess many people are interested in the differences and similarities too. Still a good video!!👍
@79Glitch Жыл бұрын
@@Johnsormani This is a great video; it was exactly what I was looking for. Why would I want to see two different synths (from two different era’s, no less: the 8P is post-DX7 digital revolution, so there is a wide gap pre and post DX7, even if it’s only a few years), that have two completely different characters try and make the same sounds? That would demonstrate almost nothing. Imagine a Juno 60 vs a DX7 making the same sounds as close as possible. All that would prove is that Juno wins for certain classic analog sounds, and the DX7 would win for digital sounds, but the DX7 would actual be able to showcase more variety of sounds. But it wouldn’t change the fact that if want a Juno 60 sound, you need a Juno 60. This guy skipped the cliche’ format and got down to the strengths of each instrument, thankfully. And the conclusion for me is … you need both, and they complement each other well. But since I already own a Juno 6, I’m leaning toward the 8P, for now. Luckily, both still offer good prices on the used market!
@SailfishSoundSystem3 жыл бұрын
Sweet Assault on Precinct 13 Theme! I think Carpenter used an Oberheim for the original if I remember right. The JX-8P is much fatter sounding than the JX-3P. It has slow envelopes though. However, this makes it great for pads and strings, which it excels at. The Jx-8 does not hold out well over time due to the type of push button interface. Any synth with that always has issues. Stick with sliders or knobs on an older analog synth. They last longer and are easier to replace, hell just take them off a Behringer! Lol. Here's my half ass John Carpenter track: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYKkqKaaepp4e5Y
@calyx932 жыл бұрын
How is this a compare video? Two different synths with different patches isn't a comparison. You need to A/B the basics on similar settings for this to be titled what it is.
@insidesynthesis2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to concentrate on the strengths of each one and compare the ways that they're different rather than the areas where they sound the same. For example, the JX-3P can't touch the smooth pads or DX-7 bells of the JX-8P, but it can produce better bright Jupiter pads and punchier bass. I know the standard format is to show one doing a raw saw wave, then the other doing a raw saw wave, etc, but I find those comparison videos excruciatingly boring, and thought it might be more interesting to concentrate on where they're different. It's like if I were comparing the cities of San Francisco and New York City, I could find some parks and office spaces that look similar in both cities, but a more interesting video would be showing the unique places that make each city special.
@twiff3rino282 жыл бұрын
I've always preferred the 8p myself - other than the better filters I don't see why the 3p is always preferred over the 8p or JX-10. Some hipster beard/man bun "vintage" fetish crap I guess... 🤨
@benjamendorrell20382 жыл бұрын
If anyone has a spare JX3P and PG200, but no Juno 106... DM me for a trade :P
@fruicheboy3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love your channel (your video on the MiniBrute 2S convinced me to buy one). In this video, you mention that you can get 95% of the way to way to the JX-8P sound. It would be great if you could do a video of a side-by-side comparison between patches on the JX compared to recreations of those patches on the MiniNova.