This is awesome. But also, you can tell when an audio guy makes a KZbin video because the music isn't 177x as loud as your voice. One suggestion, when you do the final AB comparison, it would be much better to "volume match" them. The louder one is always going to sound better.
@jsraudio2 жыл бұрын
gotta agree here, you know it as well as anyone Ermin, we gotta have those sweet sweet level matches ;)
@ConstantineM2 жыл бұрын
Loudness is part of mastering
@chamelious2 жыл бұрын
@@ConstantineM Obviously. I think you missed the point.
@jsraudio2 жыл бұрын
@@ConstantineM yes, loudness is part of mastering, but if ermin had done absolutely nothing except increase the volume it would still sound better because louder always sounds better. A/b comparisons should always be volume matched
@masoneismonstudios30162 жыл бұрын
While I agree with this comment for the sake of comparing EQ changes, this isn't really the case for this scenario. He wanted to see the raw product VS the finished one. The raw product WAS significantly quieter than the final version. With that said, I think a lot of people are starting to realize and adjust to the fact that louder doesn't equal better. But I DO get where you're coming from.
@dannyleftridgemusic2 жыл бұрын
So the -1db for streaming is true! Videos like this are invaluable for me. It’s just so hard to find real mastering advice. Thank you 🙏🏻
@JaviPerera2 жыл бұрын
Nice one, as usual!! Looking forward for a "Systematic Mastering Guide"! Congrats for the good job!
@firstwakerecording18152 жыл бұрын
The A/B can be interpreted as misleading with having the huge level increase, but your videos and UM posts have always been great. Looking forward to new videos. Thank you for this one.
@pureventrue23572 жыл бұрын
Was just thinking this. Would be really good to hear it volume matched for a more accurate comparison. After all, we tend to hear louder as better.
@jensloetzsch2 жыл бұрын
The Pro-L2 has a nice function, called 1:1 mode where you can hear what you are doing to the mix with your decisions without being distracted by the volume jump. Of course it doesn't work for the whole mastering chain but for the limiting alone, it's very useful !
@slaterzxn2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't expecting to see a Sim-Racer to also be a sound engineer to a degree. Fantastic stuff!
@the_snackbar2 жыл бұрын
I'm astounded and grateful that you're willing to show us this amount of detail in how you operate. Submission Audio and GGD are bloody brilliant mate.
@Clarky_AU2 жыл бұрын
What the actual hell, I've been watching your content as a Sim Racer, and now I find out you master for one of my fav bands and a few others as well. Mind Blown
@VMac32 жыл бұрын
Nevermind all the great mastering you do, that video intro hits me every single time, that's pure genius haha!
@nordeuropa88162 жыл бұрын
This song. Just WOW!
@azidihaqeem78822 жыл бұрын
Carbonized.. cypher..dark solitaire is my favourite song in obsidian album... obsidian is beast track💯👍👏🔥
@JeserNoob Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to thank you for making this video because I got into this album from watching how amazing the production, mix and master all are. Not to mention how addictive this song is and how catchy and groovy the albums riffs and drum parts are. Nice screams are amazing and the whole album is incredible thank you so much I’m a fan
@JayKayProductions Жыл бұрын
As always Ermin hits a homerun in this tutorial. Just used this as a rough guide with some bx_digital v3 for EQ and completed a master in 15 minutes. Awesome stuff!
@JayKayProductions Жыл бұрын
PS: I've already watched this video in the past but now it made more sense :)
@anteskurlaСағат бұрын
Check out his Plini master walkthrough as well! :)
@JayKayProductionsСағат бұрын
@@anteskurla done, might do again. Krema jogurt stuff
@bradylasserre93207 ай бұрын
Incredible that this information and teaching is out here for free. Thank you.
@DivideMusic2 жыл бұрын
The real question is how do I get ermin to master one of my tracks. That is the question…
@InVerum2 жыл бұрын
Now that really is the question.
@fucc7732 жыл бұрын
probably by giving him money 🤔🤔
@KarasamaBeats2 жыл бұрын
Its always such a pleasure watching u work on a song mastering !
@alanbrucke Жыл бұрын
My chain had gotten insanely long (12 plugins) and this video showed me that just 5 can give me BETTER results. Excellent stuff.
@sqwop Жыл бұрын
Quick easy tip for whoever needs it, use dual mono compressors, vst obviously because hardware is dual mono by default. I use solid bus comp by NI and it gives a lovely dimension and brings everything forward when used subtly, less is more with this compressor.
@rabmccudden6832 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know u were a producer, I’ve been watching ur sim stuff for ages. New sub from me 👍🏻
@okay5488 Жыл бұрын
I could listen to you all day! You have a wonderful voice
@daworse17342 жыл бұрын
Through the the intro i had an instant riff idea 😄 me very like what youre doin man
@nickbarton74842 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish this kind of walkthrough and insight was available 10+ years ago! Amazing work as always Ermin! Curious what the ‘Digital Clipping’ plug-in at the end of your signal chain is and if it’s doing anything significant to the final master that might have not already been discussed in this video? Keep up these incredible walkthroughs, love em!
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
That's literally just a loopback cable allowing me to capture DAW audio during video recording.
@dayslane2 жыл бұрын
Hearing the comparison at the end…. WOW!!! Enjoyed this
@SabineWald_NowHere2 жыл бұрын
I can't stop listening to this song :). Great job!
@loganwelty70942 жыл бұрын
Great video. Will be applying many of these tips to my own work
@Shred_Rocket2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Ermin, I always like your approach to music from an emotional perspective, certainly, the ears are the window to that. But the simplicity of your technique is quite obvious and why folks like the Nolly's of the modern music industry come to you for finality. Perhaps when I grow up, if I ever do, I can see clearly what you see and hear.
@Riffa222 жыл бұрын
those guitars are filthy, love it. Loving the matrix animations haha
@nickwatland12772 жыл бұрын
damn man you have real info. I am all digital and deal with idiots but my teacher preached analogue and you back it up
@enrico_stornelli Жыл бұрын
This is so helpful! Thanks again Ermin!
@JKE20142 жыл бұрын
there's a magic to how fine tuned the ears of a mastering engineer are
@zorran2 жыл бұрын
for those who want volume matching ballpark volume matching is not too difficult with the youtube volume slider. it gave me a much better idea. you could also do it in your DAW if you wanted it exactly volume matched.
@blacksmithstudio16472 жыл бұрын
Right on point on a lot of levels! Thanks for this great video Ermin!
@johnhuldt Жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff. Thank you!
@drzeissler2 жыл бұрын
excellent work..what a punch in the drums!
@DerrickSchneider Жыл бұрын
Incredibly helpful.. thank you!
@OfficialStevenCravis2 жыл бұрын
This is brilliantly presented.
@flipsrecords1686 ай бұрын
That PC running so smoothly
@chrisbellson71642 жыл бұрын
I have barely but a clue what he is talking about, but damn this is interesting! Nice work on such a great band! Subbed!!
@mark64tanner2 жыл бұрын
Excellent info here. Thanks Heaps fo sharing. Only discovered Northlane today and very impressed. Just came back into the Music community since the dreaded 2020 (I was trained in analogue engineering back in the early 80's) Making the Analogue to Digital move after so long was a challenge (Even though I'm an IT systems engineer) but am really enjoying what can be achieved using, I wont say cheap, but affordable gear we dreamed of having access to at home back then. Just subbed and hit the bell, now time to go check your catalogue, Thanks again mate Cheers 👍✌😎
@DirtyHippyStudio2 жыл бұрын
amazing video man, thanks for sharing
@georgezorbas90362 жыл бұрын
well done man...this video is perfect and to the point. Perfect job!!
@shredvenom Жыл бұрын
Wow, I just found this video. I previously only knew you were a mad sim racer hahaha Awesome!
@rayfrusco2092 жыл бұрын
Underated channel here! Love your work brother!
@GeoffPlaysGuitar2 жыл бұрын
You had me at matrix metal
@dupgab2 жыл бұрын
You made me buy a lot of plug-in in this vidéo well done😅. Btw you are the only one that clearly explain each steps of a good mastering. I followed your advice and my mastering got a big step up. Thanks 🙏.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. That's always great to hear.
@Bai_Vasil2 жыл бұрын
Master of the MASTER 🤘🤘🤘
@kylehowdy2 жыл бұрын
fantastic video!
@yeserguitar Жыл бұрын
loved it mate, I'm really mind blown how seamless you teach this stuff. Amazing album, and just realized that Nolly mixed it when you say it and it proved that I love everything nolly mixed :D Cheers
@BenFTI2K Жыл бұрын
WOW, it’s Ermin Ham sandwich!
@williamfaith60072 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant- cheers!
@AlbertoMussogtr2 жыл бұрын
hey man, great video as usual! I have a couple of questions: - Is the Crave Eq on every track for filtering any dc offset? - I've seen you have the true peak correction / oversampling on pro L2 turned off, wouldn't it be better to work with oversampling instead of turning down the out of the Pro L2 to stay "safe" with the tp? This is absolutely no critique, I've barely started my journey in the mastering realm, I respect you immensely and I trust your hands and ears, I'm just courious about this choices. Have a great day!
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! - I don't generally 'filter DC offset'. It's worth explaining that 'DC offset filters' are just high pass filters, so if high-passing is a regular part of your mastering process, you'll get the benefits of DC offset filtering along with it. - I explain the realities of oversampling here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZy1kJiNrqt3o5Y It's a bit overstated in the modern era by people who use meters more often than they use their own ears to produce music. We could very easily put in 'code hacks' to make Flatline look like it's generating absolutely no aliasing, but I'd rather people understand the reality of the situation.
@AlbertoMussogtr2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions great, thanks for your response man! I'll go check the video immediately, have a great day 💜
@smokejc2 жыл бұрын
Would be amazing if you did with Immutable what you did with Obzen and other Meshuggah songs. It's missing that Ermz oomph.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
Just need them to hire me first!
@smokejc2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions fair!
@Dino-sx9ct Жыл бұрын
I would have liked if you explained more about adding the limiting on the side channels and de-linking the center channel does. I'm having a little difficulty understanding this concept.
@LykaonMetalMusic2 жыл бұрын
Awesome like always!
@gaboquintana36282 жыл бұрын
Yes of course, if you compare something at -10 to something at -1 it's obvious the loudest will sound better. Could you show us the frequency response before and after to also see the increment of harmonics next time,?
@ExiLeZH Жыл бұрын
You can compare before and after at normalized levels at 0:40 and 12:10
@tramer76 Жыл бұрын
Bangers dude.
@InVerum2 жыл бұрын
The mix Nolly sent over seems pretty quiet all things considered, do you have a preferred level coming in pre-master? Not sure what the 'industry standard' is.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
His mix level was just about perfect.
@InVerum2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions Really appreciate the response! One thing that I've never seen a clear answer on, seems to be all over the place. Thanks for helping to educate the community!
@okaychannel.2 жыл бұрын
I love this album
@adamkiefel792 жыл бұрын
Good little Video 🤘🏼😎
@MattGirst2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this tutorial! You explained it really well!
@Art_Of_Sound2 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation. The ab was of no use without level match of course...would help to have some ab sections to load up in the studio. Despite you hugely assisting with definition, i found there were elements reaching out but with the low mid transient blur, it did not translate to me all that well. was quite involved with early 90 underground industrial goth metal...its somehow punchy but i struggle with the psychoacoustic handles. Nice skills to do what you did! Strong intent!
@ИванТравников-л2ц2 жыл бұрын
perfect guide
@happyshadow Жыл бұрын
I much prefer the sound of a low shelf to a high pass (especially an 18db per oct one!)
@heartherainsing10 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but that little intro sound was such a pleasant suprise, cause I instantly recognized it since I love Carcer City so much! Did you happen to mix or master that album?
@JeiDoublerice2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@galeriarch.2 жыл бұрын
Been knowing you from racing stuff man, didn't know you're also a producer 😂
@colavermusic2 жыл бұрын
dig the content bro!!
@gabrielbarbosa43667 ай бұрын
Aweasome video, but I'm wondering why the TruePeak is off? What would be the diff between this parameter turned ON vs OFF?
@Aeghar2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for the video, some incredible info. Quick question, when talking about compression, you've mentioned "digital compression", what exactly do you mean by that? Thanks
@marcpeiron_studio2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm just curious to know why you're not using oversampling on flatline or pro-L2...
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
If memory serves, I go over that in this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZy1kJiNrqt3o5Y
@corestudio97992 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@azendance2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and look into your workflow, appreciate it. But the comparison at the end is pretty much useless, how about volume matching?? I would also find it very useful to hear you not just dialing in everything as you had it in the actual master but for example in Saturn, dialing up the saturation way more at the start so it's easier to actually hear what it sounds like, then dialing it back to where it sounds best to your ears. More comparing before and after the effect would also be nice. Nonetheless, love the videos and Flatline fucking rules.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. At a certain point, people need to be allowed to fill in the blanks themselves. If replicating the provided settings, then exploring their boundaries and what they add is too much of an ask, then the person in question might want to consider whether sound engineering is the vocation for them. Prior to the last 10 years, our entire approach was predicated on trial and error - attempting to piece together disparate, vague hearsay information, because most engineers were unbelievably secretive about their techniques - only directly imparting their craft onto their immediate assistants, if that. What's provided in this video is only possible because I quit mastering full time. The idea of getting as much direct information as was provided here was borderline unthinkable in any generation prior to this one. I think that context is very important to establish.
@dannyleftridgemusic2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions this was the most informative and insightful video on mastering I’ve seen on YT. I remastered my entry for this month’s Horizon Devices Contest after watching this and it made, what I thought was really good, so much better. I didn’t use the same plugins or the exact same EQ but the principles of why you were doing what you did were well described and allowed me to apply them to my specific piece. Thank you 🙏🏻
@irene_genova2 жыл бұрын
Or buy a URM Enhanced membership where there's a full mastering course by Ermin :)
@azidihaqeem78822 жыл бұрын
I love dark solitaire...👍💯🔥👏
@azendance2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions I do see where you're coming from. Maybe I'm asking for to much haha but at least give me the volume matched comparison at the end XD otherwise it makes no sense switching between before and after ;)
@Neuri2 жыл бұрын
You are in my “top 5 dinner guests” bro. Genuine thanks Ermz ❤
@pablopicasso31222 жыл бұрын
Hey. What mic are you using there? It looks like an EV re20 but I gotta be honest, your mic might even sound a little bit better. Thanks! And great job on the vid and on the engineering.
@IanVase2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ermin! Trying to buy the mixing book (physical copy) but it's not adding to the cart.
@victorbernardo13582 жыл бұрын
Hello from Portugal! Great video! Highly educational for us noobs!! :) Quick Questions: At 4:46 you say that "at this stage I would use a hardware unit". What hardware unit would you use and would you aply the same settings (threshold, ratio, attack, release)? . Would the Warm Audio BUS-COMP do the trick? :) Thanks in advance. Victor.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
Anything as basic as a clean GSSL would do. I really like grabby SSL style compressors, but really this is where your personality as a mastering engineer can come out.
@gilandrade33842 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Ermin, have you ever tried the Oxford Limiter? Any thoughts?
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
A very, very long time ago! Don't think I ever gelled with it, personally.
@Brandon-RZ2 жыл бұрын
Between the mix and master two steps of bus compression? Or just one on the master?
@matrixmodulator2 жыл бұрын
This is like a gordon ramsay video but for audio
@ryanshook82842 жыл бұрын
Are you still using the Nuemann KH310? Would you recommend them? Thanks
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
Yes, with the sub they're quite usable!
@ad00m52 жыл бұрын
Super sick! But I must say the raw mix was damn good too _
@RyRyTheBassGuy2 жыл бұрын
Seems odd you didn't use one of the high quality modes in Saturn.
@kariskgtr2 жыл бұрын
It’s sooo goodd 🔥🔥🔥 I’m curious about LUFS.. How much is it? -6 or -5?
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea! I don't look at the output meters.
@JohnHenkamGangte Жыл бұрын
Why isn't this 19 hours long?
@scriblestingray5713 Жыл бұрын
THE SIM RACING GUY MASTERED NORTHLANE?
@IDOLIZERband9 ай бұрын
1:30 was excited to hear the zing top end, but it wasn't a - b 'd so i couldn't hear it. Audiences might bit know the whole mix like you, the engineering youtuber does. Didnt learn what your eq tool does...
@LeonidPetrin Жыл бұрын
interesting process explanation but what a weird comparison without level match :/
@willisthedon47612 жыл бұрын
13:25 100000%
@XiyuYang2 жыл бұрын
Any plans to sample a fretless bass?
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
I had thoughts about running the idea past Sean Malone to do a signature with us prior to his tragic passing. Now the idea mostly makes me sad.
@XiyuYang Жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions 😭😭😭
@DerekWolf Жыл бұрын
Your boost eq before you cut. That’s weird
@BukanIbuMu5 ай бұрын
Jordan Valeriote also does it too and he is a pro.
@margauxmilan2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me? Nolly mixed this album as well??!!
@timcity2 жыл бұрын
And the Grammy goes to........
@JUNK_ZONE2 жыл бұрын
Let it be known that I chose not to ruin the 420 likes, someone else did.
@PereRevert2 жыл бұрын
Ermin is a very talented guy but in this case, it seems obvious to my ears that all that processing destroyed the low mids punch and transient impact. The Flatline processing was pushed too far. Anyway is a nice and very modern master. Keep up the good work man !
@Laserus4 ай бұрын
Sounds harsh and sterile to my ears, but hey, I’m old.
@BlackthorneSoundandCinema2 жыл бұрын
This video contains no educational content regarding trained critical listening. And an A/B comparison that isn't level matched. I hope that young inexperienced people watching this understand that it's an advertisement.
@PM-vv3uc2 жыл бұрын
At least you can see which software producers use. But, you're right, you won't learn that much in this video.
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
An advertisement for what, exactly? Northlane? Fabfilter? brainworx? SubMission Audio? Competence? Or all of the above? I would hope that one of the first things the aforementioned young & inexperienced people learn is that critical listening is a byproduct of years of trial and error, and not something that can be ingested in 13 minutes via a KZbin video. Indeed, we had to produce this video in a single day across an international timezone, so my editor didn't volume match one comparison right at the end. Fundamentally, I would hope that budding audio professionals understand that this is what their own volume knobs are for. When I came through this industry, we would have have killed for collective, holistic tutorials like this. The idea of them being free and publicly accessible to boot would've been unthinkable. We instead had to make do with interview excerpts, hearsay, conversation and repeated trial and error (with an emphasis on the error part). I make sure that every bit of educational content I put out, whether written or video form, encapsulates the things I wanted to see as a student - things I know would've helped shortcut my long journey to get here. Dually, it's also done to fight the ever encroaching tide of incompetence, though what I'm starting to see is that it's difficult to meet the ever rising baseline level of entitlement.
@BlackthorneSoundandCinema2 жыл бұрын
@@SystematicProductions I do not feel entitled to anything, I do not want or need anything from you. I am not your target audience. I would like to see the most prominent public figure in this niche to be a better example for younger people starting out. Metal audio engineers are running behind engineers in other genres from being poorly educated and we are having this conversation because that is something that I care about. I hope that you can see the validity in my criticism and my intentions. The only time I see mastering tutorials not involve level matching is because the video is selling a plugin, but you are telling me that wasn't intentional. You're teaching how to copy settings and nothing more. Because this video is devoid of educational content, I did see it as an ad and that's why I said that. I hope that you you see how it looks from my point of view and that I'm not just being randomly accusatory because I'm a hater. "Out of two signals the louder one will always sound better even if it's worse. That's why level matching is an important part of a non destructive mastering process." That didn't even take 13 minutes and that is the most fundamental rule of critical listening when operating any dynamic processor. I appreciate your reply, and I do see you not deleting my comments and taking time to form that reply as a sign of goodwill. I hope that this will help you see the responsibility of being influential and the positive effect that you could have going forward. If you have taken the time to hear me out, I respect you for that.
@kristianniemann87162 жыл бұрын
@@BlackthorneSoundandCinema Wow, how's the view from that high horse you're sitting on :/ You realise Ermin is not charging anything for this right? How much valuable, free content have you shared with the world?
@Jazzguitar00 Жыл бұрын
@@BlackthorneSoundandCinema I don't understand....no one made you watch this, let alone pay for it. He has his own plugin somewhere in the mastering chain. Why is that a big deal? You want him to make a plugin and not ever use it? How does that make any sense?
@jdjdjdjjc65352 жыл бұрын
Bro this album was mixed and mastered so badly but it was a horrible album to begin with
@nordeuropa88162 жыл бұрын
Trolling won't make you solve your personal problems or make you look tough. In contrary, it's a weakness. Miserable people cannot spread nothing but the misery as they have no other value. May you heal soon.
@jdjdjdjjc65352 жыл бұрын
@@nordeuropa8816 you like dated 90s edm bro?
@charizardmaster132 жыл бұрын
and im sure you could have done a MUCH better job ;)
@SystematicProductions2 жыл бұрын
@@jdjdjdjjc6535 I love dated 90s EDM. We'll do a Prodigy cover album next, in your honor.
@bradleyrussell74492 жыл бұрын
I won’t lie, I halfway agree. The album was very well composed, but the mixing was so weak. The title track, Obsidian, was such a powerful song, but there was no impact to it because the loudest thing I could hear was the high hat and snare, while the guitar was about the quietest thing on every song. That’s usually fine, but these songs are composed to sound heavy, and yet the guitar is so weak, so they end up sounding thin and empty.