Metallic Hydrogen - Most Powerful Rocket Fuel Yet?

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Scott Manley

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@theCodyReeder
@theCodyReeder 8 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that you are sitting in front of the same shelf that I sit in front of! Just vastly different items on the shelf. lol
@WimsicleStranger
@WimsicleStranger 8 жыл бұрын
Cody'sLab Hey Cody you're pretty resourceful, mind making some metallic hydrogen and starting up your rocket program again? :)
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Cody! Put one of those electric motors that are made only of a battery and a twisted wire (the twisted wire spins around the batery when in contact with the two poles) inside the vacuum chamber and see how much faster it goes without air resistance!
@TheFanat23may
@TheFanat23may 8 жыл бұрын
Cody in 10 years "Sending rocket to mars"
@jacobriddle7230
@jacobriddle7230 8 жыл бұрын
Cody do this in your back yard
@tdoge
@tdoge 8 жыл бұрын
Kody's Space Program?
@elgoog-the-third
@elgoog-the-third 5 жыл бұрын
"Hydrogen doesn't really like being single" - pff, so what? Neither do I, but here I am.
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 5 жыл бұрын
Hydrogen is like those millitant incels
@mike-0451
@mike-0451 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Manley what?
@cowmoo5596
@cowmoo5596 4 жыл бұрын
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@LyleGlenn
@LyleGlenn 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottmanley You mean they pair together, out of despair?
@chuckaddison5134
@chuckaddison5134 4 жыл бұрын
Careful what ya wish for. . .
@simonrose313
@simonrose313 7 жыл бұрын
At 7000 K the exhaust would be a plasma, so perhaps you could use some sort of magnetic "bottle" to confine the reaction and place it outside the vehicle, obviating the need for cooling.
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 6 жыл бұрын
@ completely different aims. The magnetic field like they use in tokamak reactors can handle far higher temperatures (basically unlimited) so the exhaust could be kept far hotter and thus work far better, it would also save on the weight of the cooling system though that depends on how much weight the magnetic system would require.
@avelkm
@avelkm 6 жыл бұрын
@@Jake12220 In that case weight would be relatively irrelevant, cause it's fixed weight. With hydrogen cooling you need to have liquid hydrogen as a "fuel", so rocket equation and all that stuff, it's not only weight but also volume and is not easily scalable. With fixed weight of magnetic rig you will easily compansate with higher energy density and higher exhaust speeds of metallic hydrogen.
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 6 жыл бұрын
@@avelkm l agree for the most part, my only concern is how the energy for the magnetic field is being generated. If the power can be generated from the hydrogen or a process already happening then great, but if it needed a large battery type system then the weight would be a concern. On the upside the feild would likely be controllable so could vary the width of the exhaust as needed for even greater efficiency.
@davidporowski9512
@davidporowski9512 6 жыл бұрын
As a SuperConductor Use It To Power Your Magnetic Bottle (also Stores AntiMatter, Too)
@davidporowski9512
@davidporowski9512 6 жыл бұрын
Matt TheChosen Lenz AntiGravity Effect
@blackdew2
@blackdew2 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it also be a huge safety headache even if it is meta-stable? You still have a huge tank of explosive material that doesn't need to mix with anything to explode, and that means you are one containment or cooling failure away from everything in general vicinity turning into high temperature plasma...
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly, that's the big question.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 8 жыл бұрын
Black Dew. thats likely the case with any future high energy technology.
@theq4602
@theq4602 7 жыл бұрын
Rocket fuel is a safety hazard anyway.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 7 жыл бұрын
Every successful rocket flight is simply riding a controlled explosion.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
Monopropellents like hydrozine, high test peroxide and solid rocket fuels already have to take this sort of thing into account.
@harrysvensson2610
@harrysvensson2610 6 жыл бұрын
This video requires an update I believe. Or just a "what happened to the metallic hydrogen?"
@Thedeepseanomad
@Thedeepseanomad 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Still awfully quiet about repeating the experiment. Anyone remember the cold fusion announcement way back?
@Thedeepseanomad
@Thedeepseanomad 5 жыл бұрын
Finally some news on this subject has recently come out from France. Stay tuned to see if it pans out.
@dsandoval9396
@dsandoval9396 5 жыл бұрын
@@Thedeepseanomad So? What happened?
@nton8057
@nton8057 5 жыл бұрын
When it comes to research projects gone silent either: Theory 1 They are developing it and have had no significiant Progress to announce Theory 2 Goverment Cover up , they have done further breakthroughs but are staying silent to avoid others noticing potentialy lucrative technologies
@Zenheizer
@Zenheizer 5 жыл бұрын
@@nton8057 Theory 3: Technology turned out to be a dead end, wich is kept silent for further funding.
@floriansteindl9075
@floriansteindl9075 8 жыл бұрын
Scott, very good and informative video as always, but the device they used is called "Diamond Anvil Cell" (often just called "DAC" in research literature), not just "Diamond Anvil". A DAC does utilise two diamond anvils usually, although there are special ones that have two smaller diamonds on top of the larger anvils. The highest pressures achieved with this technique go up to 770 GPa (as claimed by a team in 2015), which is much more than the ~350 GPa in the Earth's core, and also much higher than the pressure of ~500 GPa that was reached by Dias and Silvera for the metallic hydrogen publication.
@keirfarnum6811
@keirfarnum6811 5 жыл бұрын
Florian Steindl Diamond Anvil Cell sounds like a cool band name.
@jnb22019
@jnb22019 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott! Playing Elite Dangerous last night I came across a system discovered by you, no idea why but that made me happy.
@MrWheelerification
@MrWheelerification 8 жыл бұрын
are you only Scott Manley until then? what are you after?
@Destructor111
@Destructor111 8 жыл бұрын
Flying safe, presumably.
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 6 жыл бұрын
A manley scot
@Snyper1188
@Snyper1188 6 жыл бұрын
Lol this made me laugh quite hard!
@annoyed707
@annoyed707 6 жыл бұрын
The state of your anatomy while laughing is none of our business.
@nfijef
@nfijef 6 жыл бұрын
Scott Godley, of course. Or maybe, Scott Kingley first;)
@julianrecordings8778
@julianrecordings8778 8 жыл бұрын
Hello this is Hydraulic Press Channel, today we're gonna make Metallic Hydrogen!😀
@lethargogpeterson4083
@lethargogpeterson4083 5 жыл бұрын
And here we go...
@glasstuna
@glasstuna 5 жыл бұрын
@@lethargogpeterson4083 holy shit!
@otwieraczdopiwa19
@otwieraczdopiwa19 5 жыл бұрын
The very last video on the channel... xd
@DiscoR53
@DiscoR53 5 жыл бұрын
Holy S-t! 💥
@harrymack3565
@harrymack3565 5 жыл бұрын
The last words spoken before the entire property was promptly vaporized.
@Psyadin2
@Psyadin2 8 жыл бұрын
The reason metallic hydrogen would be amazing as a superconductor is because it would theoretically be one close to room temperature as opposed to our current superconductors that needs to stay close to 0K
@Alexander_Sannikov
@Alexander_Sannikov 8 жыл бұрын
Diamond. Anvil. It doesn't really get any cooler than that.
@RoberttheWise
@RoberttheWise 8 жыл бұрын
Probably most metal name for any science equipment.
@Vulcano7965
@Vulcano7965 7 жыл бұрын
Besides that they look pretty basic. Had one in my hand once. The cool thing about those and similiar anvils is, that you can create enourm pressure just tighten some screws with your hand because of the small area the pressure focus on. Although for experiments like these they use something more controllable I assume.
@CaridorcTergilti
@CaridorcTergilti 7 жыл бұрын
Alexander Sannikov Just clicked on the video and got to the point where it said "diamond anvil": 4:49
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 7 жыл бұрын
Wrong, it doesn't get any hotter than that :)
@fryncyaryorvjink2140
@fryncyaryorvjink2140 7 жыл бұрын
Kanye West agrees
@zhop951
@zhop951 8 жыл бұрын
We need a Metallic Hydrogen mod for KSP!
@linuxguy1199
@linuxguy1199 8 жыл бұрын
Luckily for you I know C# and Unity ;)
@edstirling
@edstirling 8 жыл бұрын
it must explode randomly, and be very expensive. and destroy the engine within 10 seconds of ignition.
@linuxguy1199
@linuxguy1199 8 жыл бұрын
edstirling Yeah, For that i'm probably gonna make it have an EXTREME heat output but first I need to learn the API for modding in KSP
@zhop951
@zhop951 8 жыл бұрын
Sounds like fun, while you are at it, is a Propane Engine possible? I would make a ton of money on that XD
@hamstsorkxxor
@hamstsorkxxor 8 жыл бұрын
Propane Man I'm guessing you would like to label rockets "propane accessories"?
@BarcelPL
@BarcelPL 8 жыл бұрын
Metallic hydrogen tipped bullets - anti tank .45 ACP
@EC-oo8fx
@EC-oo8fx 8 жыл бұрын
Nuclear hand grenade
@nymeriagloves3957
@nymeriagloves3957 8 жыл бұрын
Barcel, 45acp already blows up tanks, didnt you watch saving private ryan.
@BarcelPL
@BarcelPL 8 жыл бұрын
Measly Tigers at best, with this, it could ravage T-90s and Leopards.
@foelstudios
@foelstudios 8 жыл бұрын
Use it to blow up entire aircraft carriers then. Anti-aircraft carrier 9mm rounds.
@hamstsorkxxor
@hamstsorkxxor 8 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly sure the Tiger got blown up by the allied aircraft seen streaking overhead, rather than by .45acp Also, a modern shoulder launched anti-tank projectile weighs about 1kg. So even though metallic hydrogen might turn out to be hilariously explosive, we'll probably never see any .45 anti tank rounds. But perhaps 50bmg anti-tank might be possible. In which case traditional MBTs will be obsolete.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 7 жыл бұрын
There is a SciFi-movie from the 50s (maybe is was Destination Moon) where the fuel tanks said "atomic hydrogen". They were waaaay ahead of their time :-)
@grummbe
@grummbe 5 жыл бұрын
Wow they had Atomic Hydrogen back in the 1950s
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 4 жыл бұрын
@@grummbe Well, in the 1950's "atomic" meant "future".
@grummbe
@grummbe 4 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyJedi99 What means "Future" Now?
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 4 жыл бұрын
@@grummbe Um.. e-something? Maybe quantum.
@grummbe
@grummbe 4 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyJedi99 Yes, you are right. Atomic is to the 20th century as Quantum is to the 21th century.
@StoneLegion
@StoneLegion 8 жыл бұрын
Start of the week time for School on KZbin :) - I Literally stop recording just to watch these thanks man :)
@eqlipse333
@eqlipse333 8 жыл бұрын
11:38 Yeah, I was going to say something about that. Although liquid hydrogen has a very high energy density in terms of energy per unit mass, its energy density in terms of energy per unit volume is TERRIBLE. This problem expands to much more than just the fuel tanks, too: you need larger ducts for moving it, larger turbines to pressurize/move it, etc. You actually ad a LOT more mass to your ship and far more inefficiency just by using such an "efficient" fuel as hydrogen. It looks good on paper, if you only look at its energy content, but in practice it's just not practical.
@leeskieferrell2003
@leeskieferrell2003 8 жыл бұрын
Could you make more in depth videos comparing different rocket fuels and their different specific impulses, the pros and cons of each, engineering challenges such as cooling or lack thereof, how cleanly they burn...Etc.... I'd be really into that sort of info comparing long past and retired engines and modern and future designs. Thank you as usual for breaking this down! Have a great day!
@KevinVerstegen
@KevinVerstegen 8 жыл бұрын
I know I am a child when posting this. But I just can't help it. 4:23
@tach5884
@tach5884 7 жыл бұрын
We all thought about it
@youngmo77
@youngmo77 7 жыл бұрын
Kevin Verstegen Tou are not the only one...
@mrjpb23
@mrjpb23 7 жыл бұрын
I call my penis “The Diamond Anvil”
@SocksWithSandals
@SocksWithSandals 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you directed me back to that gesture which I innocently interpreted as a monatomic hydrogen compressor at the time.
@rocketnerd7763
@rocketnerd7763 6 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaaaaaaah oooooh yuh yaaaaas
@attractivemonkey
@attractivemonkey 8 жыл бұрын
Well done Scott, very interesting as always. This is my favourite channel by far, I love watching these "science series" videos. KSP brought me here, but there are so many other good reasons that keep me here. Always looking forward to what you upload next...
@frbe0101
@frbe0101 8 жыл бұрын
Almost impossible to manufacture =/= best rocket fuel ever.
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
frbe0101 Currently, yes. Not even sure if it is physically possible, either.
@johnnyllooddte3415
@johnnyllooddte3415 8 жыл бұрын
its a billion dollar an ounce..... great govt welfare program
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 7 жыл бұрын
Antimatter is the ultimate fuel, black holes are the ultimate engine. But we can't make enough Amat(let alone store it), and we can't even make a black hole.
@user-me7hx8zf9y
@user-me7hx8zf9y 7 жыл бұрын
Bad Beard Bill and of course you'd need cooling rods the length of Route 66 to disperse the extremely intense heat generated during the annihilation of the Amat into a propellant.
@oakwhelie
@oakwhelie 6 жыл бұрын
Bad Beard Bill injust realized that we as a species created and stored anti matter earlier than metalic hydrogen
@itmademesignup9508
@itmademesignup9508 8 жыл бұрын
Love these actual/theoretical science videos, Scott!
@bobert577
@bobert577 8 жыл бұрын
Loving these rocket focused science videos. Keep it up Scott!!
@JettQuasar
@JettQuasar 8 жыл бұрын
I thought antimatter was the best rocket fuel... Seriously though, even without the extra ISP over liquid Hydrogen, this new fuel would have the advantage of being more dense, and avoid the cryogenic requirement - that alone is really cool.
@witchofengineering
@witchofengineering 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is, but producing and storing antimatter is way harder than producing and storing metalic hydrogen, and when they may be metalic-hydrogen rockets in the next 30 years or so, building functional antimatter rocket may take another century or even more.
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 8 жыл бұрын
Do you have any idea how much energy is lost from antimatter annihalation in the form of neutrinos.
@JettQuasar
@JettQuasar 8 жыл бұрын
Actually I don't know how much energy is lost to neutrinos - you should make a video about that :-)
@kostyapesterew1068
@kostyapesterew1068 8 жыл бұрын
Scott Manley about a half?
@Mernom
@Mernom 6 жыл бұрын
Does antimatter actually annihalates when it interacts with DIFFERENT matter particle types?
@ReneSchickbauer
@ReneSchickbauer 8 жыл бұрын
First first reaction when i saw the title: "Oh no, you don't! Not while i'm less than 20 kilometers away". That stuff is tricky enough to handle when you want to make a few atoms of it. Trying to build a pressure vessel big enough to hold tons and tons of it at 495 gigapascals... Oh my...
@romanalexeev4291
@romanalexeev4291 8 жыл бұрын
Good time of day, Scott Manley. You say that the temperature of the exhaust for a pure metallic hydrogen engine would be around 7,000 K, and that it would melt any existing material. Wouldn't it be possible for us to use magnetic fields to shape the exhaust away from the engine parts, in a way that kind of resembles a plasma thruster?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 7 жыл бұрын
The hydrogen would have to be ionized for that to work, and your magnetic field would have to generate as much force as the extremely energetic rocket exhaust - in fact, if you could do that, you wouldn't even need a rocket nozzle.
@nathansmith3608
@nathansmith3608 5 жыл бұрын
"if we had a lightweight pressure vessel that could hold hydrogen at teraPascals of pressure, it could probably drive a rocket" ✅
@taralevy6221
@taralevy6221 7 жыл бұрын
Scott Manley is so awesome I can watch him talking about anything for hours.
@covalencedust2603
@covalencedust2603 8 жыл бұрын
Could we make a rocket that first generates thrust by combining separate hydrogen atoms followed by generating thrust using oxygen and dihydrogen?
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 8 жыл бұрын
If you do the math that leads to a lower specific impulse (higher thrust though)
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 8 жыл бұрын
Scott, what about Neutrino Rockets? Are those more feasible than metallic hydrogen ones?
@hamstsorkxxor
@hamstsorkxxor 8 жыл бұрын
HAha, my mighty (but likely not actually working, and probably completely overhyped) reactionless EM-drive pwns your silly neutrino drive! Now watch me attach it to a lever and produce torque from nothing! Watch my kinetic energy output/energy input ratio soar as it gains speed, until l reach efficiency coefficients >1 I spit at conservation of momentum! I spit at conservation of angular momentum! I spit at thermodynamics! Bet you and your stupid neutrino drive feel stupid now! EM-drive master race!
@jwisemanm
@jwisemanm 8 жыл бұрын
How would you store Neutrinos?? They are the very definition of low interaction particles: no container can hold them and any electromagnetic containment would fail since they have no charge and no magnetic moment.... So no, Neutrino Rockets are not a good idea.
@maxqutekerman907
@maxqutekerman907 8 жыл бұрын
And that's just perfect for SSTO. You use LOX as both cooling agent and additional energy source on takeoff to generate more thrust and then switch to LH2 for cooling to generate more ISP.
@TiernanWilkinson
@TiernanWilkinson 4 жыл бұрын
"Hydrogen doesn't like being single" Well neither do I but here I am, just straight-up metallic hydrogen over here.
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude, being single is *metal*
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax 4 жыл бұрын
'metallic hydrogen' would be a tight poly relationship, not mono....
@operator8014
@operator8014 8 жыл бұрын
Won't this new "fuel" be about 1,000,000 as expensive to manufacture and about 1,000,000 as likely to lead to massive death and destruction? Maybe we'll see this in common use in a few centuries, who knows.
@vonneely1977
@vonneely1977 8 жыл бұрын
Brad Gefroh: The word your looking for is "fun."
@operator8014
@operator8014 8 жыл бұрын
The Jebedia Kerman school of fun, eh?
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
Brad Gefroh Most new materials start as expensive, like nylon, but get cheap quickly.
@Teknokraatti
@Teknokraatti 8 жыл бұрын
New materials don't necessarily get cheap, or even that much cheaper. For example, monoisomeric medicine have been known for as long as we have known of medical chemistry and isomeric compounds. Isomeric molecules have identical contents but are different in shape, which makes them extremely hard to separate with traditional chemical processes and requires inefficient and expensive separation methods. However, they're very useful in certain medical needs. Cisplatin is a common and effective chemotherapy drug, but its isomeric counterpart, transplatin, is medically useless. In order for the chemotherapy to work, the cisplatin must be very pure, and producing it is still almost as expensive as it has ever been. Then there are of course unstable substances which will always need specialized equipment to produce and can't effectively be stored for any period of time. For example certain isotopes of Polonium can only be produced in 3 most advanced nuclear physics laboratories in the world, 2 of them in Russia and 1 in USA. Materials like these will always be extremely expensive to acquire in any real quantities.
@vonneely1977
@vonneely1977 8 жыл бұрын
Brad Gefroh: You know it! :D
@josephkane825
@josephkane825 6 жыл бұрын
At 8:20 or so, in the talk about metalic Hydrogen being Meta-stabile, I believe that a team at Sandia National Labs determined decades ago that it was not.
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax 4 жыл бұрын
calculated, not determined.
@xXParzivalXx
@xXParzivalXx 8 жыл бұрын
I bet it can even melt steel beams
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 8 жыл бұрын
Vapourise steel beams.
@castoli44
@castoli44 8 жыл бұрын
rocket fuel can vapourise steel beams
@acdc3185
@acdc3185 8 жыл бұрын
Parzival Dank memes can melt steel beams
@isavedtheuniverse
@isavedtheuniverse 8 жыл бұрын
The high exhaust gas velocities account for object falling out of windows faster than a free fall too. =) Think Scott either ignored or missed the conspiracy here.
@Izual001
@Izual001 8 жыл бұрын
PULL IT
@sequorroxx
@sequorroxx 8 жыл бұрын
As always, I love getting the thoughts of someone with some expertise as a way of clearing away any hype that might otherwise trick us plebs.
@vaxsinthefox7203
@vaxsinthefox7203 8 жыл бұрын
Anyone remember when Scott's stream got hijacked about a year ago?
@IceExtremeGamers
@IceExtremeGamers 8 жыл бұрын
Those pics ;)
@vasimations7840
@vasimations7840 8 жыл бұрын
EchoTheDragon I remember!
@BRAMB0SSS
@BRAMB0SSS 8 жыл бұрын
nope, is there any recording of it online?
@vaxsinthefox7203
@vaxsinthefox7203 8 жыл бұрын
I don't think you want to see it....
@espalorp3286
@espalorp3286 8 жыл бұрын
what was it?
@whatsinanameish
@whatsinanameish 8 жыл бұрын
Forget rocket fuel. I want to hear Sir Manley compare, contrast, and rate the collective omnibus of 90's techno bands.
@1TakoyakiStore
@1TakoyakiStore 8 жыл бұрын
What about having the combustion happen almost externally and controlled by super cooled magnets so that no ridiculously hot matter physically reaches any physical part of the space craft? Somewhat like the VASIMR engine and the fusion chamber of the National Ignition Facility.
@VTOLAircraftMad
@VTOLAircraftMad 5 жыл бұрын
You could run it at full temperature if you had a magnetic nozzle.
@TheRadioactiveBanana32
@TheRadioactiveBanana32 4 жыл бұрын
electromagnetic
@TheRadioactiveBanana32
@TheRadioactiveBanana32 4 жыл бұрын
normal magnets cang
@TheRadioactiveBanana32
@TheRadioactiveBanana32 4 жыл бұрын
cant*
@kamuginkhan
@kamuginkhan 7 жыл бұрын
Turns out we won't see any rockets running on metallic hydrogen or antimatter anytime soon. Mr. Scott, you have outstanding skill to explain things, keep going please.
@RpattoYT
@RpattoYT 8 жыл бұрын
Could you contain the metallic hydrogen reaction in a magnetic field, similarly to how fusion reaction is contained in a fusion reactor.
@yoianrhodes
@yoianrhodes 8 жыл бұрын
rpatto92 you can hold oxygen in a magnetic field
@yoianrhodes
@yoianrhodes 8 жыл бұрын
rpatto92 also at around 4:20 He says that
@RpattoYT
@RpattoYT 8 жыл бұрын
Ah you misunderstood. I didn't mean in order to create metallic hydrogen, I meant in order to contain the combustion for use in a rocket.
@QuantumShenna
@QuantumShenna 8 жыл бұрын
The problem is, the gas you'd create doesn't have any charge. I don't think. Whatever the case, you can't use magnetic fields to contain materials with no charge.
@vampyricon7026
@vampyricon7026 8 жыл бұрын
QuantumSeanyGlass Iron. Your argument is invalid.
@evanbarnes9984
@evanbarnes9984 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, do you think there would be a benefit to having a secondary engine after the metallic hydrogen engine that combines liquid oxygen with the hydrogen gas exhaust of the metallic engine and combusts those as well? It seems silly to even consider adding that much complexity to the design since a metallic hydrogen engine would already be so complex, and a metallic hydrogen engine would already be so much more powerful than a liquid oxygen hydrogren rocket. However it occurred to me that the exhaust product of the metallic hydrogen engine is one component of our current most efficient rocket fuel. I guess you'd have to combust the hydrogen and oxygen without decreasing the velocity of the H2 exhaust? It just seemed like an interesting thought experiment, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
@UncleFester84
@UncleFester84 7 жыл бұрын
Why not cooling the chamber with liquid oxygen? It can then pumped in the engine nozzle to be used like an 'afterburner', like in a LANTR
@matthewbabij37
@matthewbabij37 6 жыл бұрын
And thanks for all your videos. I just discovered your channel.it feels like I just bought a storage unit filled with treasure at an auction
@Llamaturtle
@Llamaturtle 8 жыл бұрын
'Diamond Anvil' is the name of my rock band
@dwaynezilla
@dwaynezilla 4 жыл бұрын
Such a great series from a person who has a great personality and wealth of knowledge and ability. This is the kind of stuff I'm on youtube and looking for!
@TheQballChannel
@TheQballChannel 8 жыл бұрын
I love how chemistry class helps me actually understand what he is saying
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax 4 жыл бұрын
Go get a PDF of 'Ignition!', you'll have a blast. A history of rocket propellant research.
@jamierussell1810
@jamierussell1810 8 жыл бұрын
Loving the recent science videos Scott, keep it coming please
@muratgurol446
@muratgurol446 2 жыл бұрын
Any update? After five years I suppose this had been a false alarm
@SLAMSTERDAMN
@SLAMSTERDAMN 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion, I really enjoyed this topic. WHAT goes through all that plumbing, requires all that plumbing!
@angelic8632002
@angelic8632002 8 жыл бұрын
If its metallic/conductive, is magnetic containment an option?
@Jaycephus01
@Jaycephus01 8 жыл бұрын
Serah Wint It's not ferrous, so I would say 'no'. For example, stainless steel (or pennies, or US quarters) won't attract a magnet. Magnetic confinement works with plasma, which is electrically conductive, and highly charged, making it susceptible to magnetic confinement. I don't think long term confinement of plasma has ever been achieved, either. They're hoping to get up to 8 minutes or so of continuous fusion with the biggest experimental reactor being built, which will only possibly lead to commercial viability of a fusion power plant by ~30 years from now. This depends on material science discovery required, and increased confinement pressure, and duration of maintained confinement.
@EC-oo8fx
@EC-oo8fx 8 жыл бұрын
Oxygen is affected by magnets, not sure thats a definative "no, it wont be magnetically contained"
@schwarzarne
@schwarzarne 8 жыл бұрын
After it reacted in the engine it wouldn't be metallic anymore. But at 7000K it might be a plasma? So maybe still yes?
@Metallica4Life92
@Metallica4Life92 8 жыл бұрын
maybe, if youve got a magnetic field powerful enough for the hydrogen to be contained in.
@rhamph
@rhamph 8 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the issue is the energy consumption of your magnets. Probably superconductors so you'd need to cryogenically cool them constantly, absorbing all the heat from the propellant. Easiest way to do that is.. a tank of liquid hydrogen that you run through them and allow to boil, then mix with the propellant to cool it further. That's back to what Scott suggested, although it might end up being more efficient.
@thetraitor3852
@thetraitor3852 7 жыл бұрын
Perfect video, very informative, you get to the point, and use pictures to help viewer understand. You just earned a subscriber. 🙂
@pavelZhd
@pavelZhd 8 жыл бұрын
So... Basically a metal Hydrogen would let us build Hydrogen SRBs?
@hologrampizza5432
@hologrampizza5432 8 жыл бұрын
Павел Жданов They'd be monopropellant SRBs
@madflaka4087
@madflaka4087 6 жыл бұрын
@HO LAM YIU less then 10 seconds lol
@baranxlr
@baranxlr 8 жыл бұрын
What if we used Nitrogen instead of Hydrogen? Wouldn't the bonds release a lot more energy?
@Infaviored
@Infaviored 8 жыл бұрын
Baran Hekimoglu per atom, yes. Per mass, not even close (N about 7 times more heavy per Atom)
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 8 жыл бұрын
It's the energy to mass ratio that's really important.
@poeslaw1648
@poeslaw1648 8 жыл бұрын
Might not be very good for rocket fuel but they do make great explosives. Things that make an Azidoazide azide explode: Moving it Touching it Dispersing it in solution Leaving it undisturbed on a glass plate Exposing it to a bright light Exposing it to X-Rays Putting it to a Spectrometer Turning on the Spectrometer Absolutely nothing...
@Asesna
@Asesna 8 жыл бұрын
Poes Law scishow references are great
@wastingandtime7388
@wastingandtime7388 8 жыл бұрын
If you want mass amounts of acid rain on Earth go ahead, but personally it sounds like a hellscape (Use it in space but no in Earth's atmosphere).
@bingosunnoon9341
@bingosunnoon9341 7 жыл бұрын
You spared no expense making this video.
@swagofile
@swagofile 8 жыл бұрын
great video. off topic but can you remaster your old ksp videos? just like a simple tutorial like you used to do on launching, docking and landing. that sort of stuff. im a master at the game but i still enjoy watching ksp videos. they always put me in the mood to play. thankyou
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 6 жыл бұрын
There's a principle in explosives that "bang per pound" (or kg) is useless if the stuff can't be controlled. Well, it's true of rocket propellants, too! Once you solve the problems of producing and containing the substance, you then still have to figure out how to make dead certain that it will go off when you want it to, and not when you don't! So for metallic H, those are some tall hurdles, but if they *could* be surmounted - oh, boy!! Thanks, Scott; there's some great material here! Fred
@jhyland87
@jhyland87 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, someone hit up Applied Science, time to make some metallic hydrogen
@almondpotato9483
@almondpotato9483 4 жыл бұрын
I come from the future when another KSP2 trailer was released. What you can do is put cesium into the metallic hydrogen to allow it to be affected by magnets. Then, using a rocket nozzle made of concentric electromagnetic rings, you could create a rocket nozzle for the metallic hydrogen, without ever having your rocket come into direct contact with the bulk of the 7000K temperatures.
@twm4259
@twm4259 5 жыл бұрын
Among the things you’ll probably never hear: “Oops, I dropped the metallic hydrogen...”
@boggless2771
@boggless2771 5 жыл бұрын
You might hear it. Once
@grahamwhite1105
@grahamwhite1105 4 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy been watching you since KSP was first launched - love this vid. Keep up the great work Scott. God Bless
@-Gorby-
@-Gorby- 4 жыл бұрын
7:20 In KSP 2 it seems like we'll find out how awesome a metallic hydrogen engine would be!
@SpacialKatana
@SpacialKatana 8 жыл бұрын
Scott, I'm wondering if there's any Rabbit City Records vinyl in the shelves behind you...?
@thecapacitor1395
@thecapacitor1395 6 жыл бұрын
Would metallic hydrogen be a liquid or a solid at room temperature?
@hphp31416
@hphp31416 4 жыл бұрын
it would be gas
@jerrychesan1936
@jerrychesan1936 8 жыл бұрын
you were the first I thought of to ask about Metallic Hydrogen
@DrayseSchneider
@DrayseSchneider 8 жыл бұрын
Is metallic hydrogen a fuel or an energy transport system?
@baronunderbeit7723
@baronunderbeit7723 8 жыл бұрын
fuel
@icylag3056
@icylag3056 8 жыл бұрын
both
@mathiasrryba
@mathiasrryba 8 жыл бұрын
seems to be fuel.
@NeoAcario
@NeoAcario 8 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@PandoraSystem
@PandoraSystem 8 жыл бұрын
What is a fuel if not a means of transporting energy?
@out4space
@out4space 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Mr Manley. Very interesting to listen to your explanation !
@GrasshopperKelly
@GrasshopperKelly 6 жыл бұрын
2:11 "That's like... 50 times the energy of TNT... " Scott's face... My face... And more than likely everyone else interested enough to watch this videos face lights up hehehehehe It's like the day I found out how much more I could get out of my sterling engine with Petrol then alcohol xD excitement in the air people!!!
@XD152awesomeness
@XD152awesomeness 8 жыл бұрын
Could you use a magnetic containment instead of a physical one for the combustion chamber? That might be a work around for the high temperatures instead of cooling it
@mishkosimonovski23
@mishkosimonovski23 2 жыл бұрын
If you can mass produce Metallic Hydrogen, then i guess you could also make Metallic Oxygen? Would combining those two lower the temperature in the engine?
@SpartanElite43
@SpartanElite43 8 жыл бұрын
I was wondering when the King of Space was gonna make his video on this! Thanks for the info and for keeping my hopes in check!
@thom1218
@thom1218 6 жыл бұрын
Metalic hydrogen would behave as a high explosive. Take nitro glycerine for example: it gets a big part of its energy by recombining the diatomic Nitrogen atoms in to N(2) with their super strong triple bonds. Recombining H(2) in solid metalic hydrogen would produce a similar high velocity energy shockwave through the solid and it would "rapidly decompose" - i.e. not combust in any controllable manner. It would make one hell of a super weapon though, without all the drawbacks that come with Nukes.
@KiithNaabal
@KiithNaabal 8 жыл бұрын
Woaw...i just heared about the paper yesterday and then i see it showing up here too...you explained it really good!
@vladimirakopyan4088
@vladimirakopyan4088 8 жыл бұрын
So its just efficient energy storage.. like poor man's antimatter?
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
Vladimir Akopyan Everything is some sort of energy storage, really. "Poor man's" is highly subjective. "Different" would be better.
@Teknokraatti
@Teknokraatti 8 жыл бұрын
Well, antimatter would be massively more expensive to produce and contain, and release massively more energy per unit of mass. By those standards, the metallic hydrogen would be "poor mans antimatter". It's a bit more sane material for now though, we haven't been able to produce any significant amounts of antimatter, and containing it has obviously been ridiculously hard mission.
@Mernom
@Mernom 6 жыл бұрын
Antimatter would be anything but efficient. It would require enormous magnetic fields to store safely, and those take energy to maintain. and even then magenetically neutral particlese can infultrate the contaimentunit.
@constantexpected
@constantexpected 8 жыл бұрын
Nice. I had read about this earlier today and now get the treat of hearing Manley's take on it. ^
@taxavoider9889
@taxavoider9889 8 жыл бұрын
I paused the video at 3:06 and Scott looks way too much like a Bond villain
@Indy509
@Indy509 8 жыл бұрын
The Professor "laser"
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
The Professor He expects you to die.
@jacksonthesyndicalist2771
@jacksonthesyndicalist2771 8 жыл бұрын
I think you have really earned my subscription every video i've watched so far has been interesting.
@stuchris
@stuchris 8 жыл бұрын
i wonder what a metalic "hydrogen bomb" would be like...
@o0alessandro0o
@o0alessandro0o 8 жыл бұрын
You mean a chemical H bomb rather than the atomic one? Wimpy, compared to its atomic sibling, but still pretty damn scary.
@luiscarlosrico2304
@luiscarlosrico2304 8 жыл бұрын
o0alessandro0o You talking shit
@o0alessandro0o
@o0alessandro0o 8 жыл бұрын
Shit shit shit shit. That was talking shit. The other one was talking physics and chemistry. Know the difference, at least on this channel.
@antonrockoboac8711
@antonrockoboac8711 8 жыл бұрын
what i was thinking
@witchofengineering
@witchofengineering 8 жыл бұрын
That would be the most powerful conventional weapon ever created.
@patrickford9615
@patrickford9615 8 жыл бұрын
Thx Scott. These science videos are my favorites.
@Agnus_Mason
@Agnus_Mason 8 жыл бұрын
why arent they using osmium as an anvil? that stuff is insanely dense, and i believe that it does not react with hydrogen. please forgive me if i said anything dumb, i had only 1 year of physics/chemistry when i was 15... love to learn from you, really great vids btw
@hanvyj2
@hanvyj2 8 жыл бұрын
Agnus Mason Just had a look and its only got a mohs hardness of 7 - density isn't what they need I think, its the hardness.
@Agnus_Mason
@Agnus_Mason 8 жыл бұрын
ANameThatIsn'tMyOwn bugger XD
@wastingandtime7388
@wastingandtime7388 8 жыл бұрын
Its alright for not knowing, that's why people ask questions. None of us are material scientists so don't worry, the internet is full of bad things but Scott's channel is safe (for the time being)
@jonathanbrown2981
@jonathanbrown2981 8 жыл бұрын
Just for clarification, density is the amount of mass per volume, while hardness is a material's ability to resist a physical change in shape (scratching, crushing, cracking) that is related to the strength of atomic bonds. I might be wrong about hardness though.
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
Why "Hardness is a measure of how resistant solidmatter is to various kinds of permanent shape change when a compressive force is applied."
@sprogg2001
@sprogg2001 4 жыл бұрын
You convinced me that this is a bad idea when I heard "The diamonds shatter"
@jekanyika
@jekanyika 8 жыл бұрын
If metallic Hydrogen is meta stable why haven't they tested the stuff in the anvil to determine what it actually is?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 7 жыл бұрын
Because they lost the sample when the anvil later shattered.
@erickacuna1322
@erickacuna1322 6 жыл бұрын
Really love your content man. A very well put together series of videos, and well read oration.
@youngbloodbear9662
@youngbloodbear9662 8 жыл бұрын
As an American, my first thought, "thatd be one hell of a bomb"
@user-qf6yt3id3w
@user-qf6yt3id3w 6 жыл бұрын
It probably keeps the world peaceful if the people who run Russia, China, North Korea, Iran etc know that if they start shit Americans will kill them in large numbers and probably in a way which is scientifically and technologically very impressive.
@R.Instro
@R.Instro 8 жыл бұрын
Stupid KZbin notification told me about this vid 18 HOURS after you posted it. =P
@MobiusPeverell
@MobiusPeverell 8 жыл бұрын
So we either discovered metallic hydrogen... or aluminum.
@ryanrising2237
@ryanrising2237 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, one of those things is pretty exciting! Metallic hydrogen also has its uses of course.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 8 жыл бұрын
Scott Manley Referencing what you said at about 6:55 in the video, would *carefully* examining the aluminum {aluminium} coating on the diamonds after compression confirm or rule out aluminum contamination?
@VintageLJ
@VintageLJ 8 жыл бұрын
Do a video about your record collection.
@krillin6
@krillin6 8 жыл бұрын
VintageLJ Or not
@Gianlol12
@Gianlol12 8 жыл бұрын
Great video Scott: I really enjoyed watching this one. Very informative.
@grantt1589
@grantt1589 3 жыл бұрын
Me from the future that uses antimatter
@davisdf3064
@davisdf3064 2 жыл бұрын
Me from the far future that uses wormholes
@jacktorrance3522
@jacktorrance3522 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely badass vinyl collection Scott!
@thepilotman5378
@thepilotman5378 7 жыл бұрын
"the exhaust produced would be 7000 Kevin *burns atmosphere earth turns into mars* *oops*
@syd4952
@syd4952 4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a followup on this? i cant find anything about what happened after. Did they ever release the presses? what happened to it?
@scottmanley
@scottmanley 4 жыл бұрын
The diamonds exploded, nobody else has been able to reproduce it.
@syd4952
@syd4952 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottmanley aw man that sucks. Please put this in the description though.
@RedsBoneStuff
@RedsBoneStuff 8 жыл бұрын
Most powerful fuel? Isn't the Orion Nuclear Pulse rocket more powerful than this? (also, 666th comment)
@AZOffRoadster
@AZOffRoadster 5 жыл бұрын
I miss seeing your album collection. Always fun to try and identify the covers.
@sevret313
@sevret313 8 жыл бұрын
Let's hope Samsung doesn't use this in their phones.
@LDSG_A_Team
@LDSG_A_Team 3 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing comments about metallic hydrogen being 1 billion dollars per ounce. Y'all are missing the point, guys. Demonstrate that it's physically possible first, then it just becomes an engineering problem. If we know it's possible, then we can start creating machines and manufacturing techniques to produce it in larger quantities and for less money, and we can figure out how to store it, etc. In fact, I'd wager we could probably get costs down to as little as $10 million per ounce! See? Totally doable
@littlegrabbiZZ9PZA
@littlegrabbiZZ9PZA 8 жыл бұрын
Insert lame "FIRST! 11!!" here.
@lucasgreer1888
@lucasgreer1888 8 жыл бұрын
two questions: 1) would it be possible to create this given a strong enough magnetic field? 2)as far as cooling methods what about constructing your combustion chamber based on modern jet engine technology, by this I mean double walled separated by an air gap or in this case use the air gap to pass coolant through and then to a radiator?
@EC-oo8fx
@EC-oo8fx 8 жыл бұрын
1337 likes and i will hack the pentagon
@pyrotechnik9022
@pyrotechnik9022 7 жыл бұрын
Lethal Oxyclean Clorox Bleach ain't no pentagon hacking happening here
@punman5392
@punman5392 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah you’re on a watchlist now
@JohnSmithers4000
@JohnSmithers4000 8 жыл бұрын
Possibly a stupid question, but would it be theoretically possible to carry oxygen onboard and "spray" it into the hydrogen exhaust gas, then ignite it like an afterburner for even more thrust?
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 8 жыл бұрын
Hey scott, thanks for teaching me about the Z-Machine. So much science around the world.. Shame it isn't talked about more!
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