TOPWAR: Po - Duke - ZHEN vs Stromoy- Layla - Crimson | Extra HERO NEWS for Kung Fu Collaboration

[@kcj1017]

Will you do the same tests but change zhen to his march and put crimson on your march . Run all the same heros you are both using just change zhen and crimson

[@noahshaver1213]

For the future, in my opinion it would be better if you did 5 attacks using Layla/crim/stromoy then swapped and did 5 attacks with duke/zhen/po… or just Layla/zhen/stromoy. Personally, I’m not a fan of doing 10 attacks with you using heroes and someone else using heroes, I like to think it removes some of the variability and you can just focus on comparing YOUR results between the two options. Thanks for all the work you do brotha

[@JFROMM454]

Patiently awaiting a test you previously mentioned of pairing Crimson + Zhen instead of Crimson + Layla. I don’t have an indestructible hero in my march, crazy I know😅 just wanting to make sure I get the right hero next. Ps I currently run Gipsy-Crimson-Megatron on the navy

[@tuborgof]

Спасибо за обзоры героев.

[@Nemesis.114]

Fantasic explanation 👍

[@t-me8295]

Thank you buddy ♥️

[@tuantranminh9798]

Thanks for working hard ❤

[@Tearabull29]

What is the navy trio we’re looking at for servers that started after Evangeline’s? Layla zhen strom?

[@miladm-rl6fp]

Thank you Timmy

[@capitantega]

Hello everyone! It's obvious that your videos buddy on heroes' comparations are getting more and more great, thank you so much! 😊 Seems like crimson is on another planet, not only because he does much more dmg (not to mention heavy armour), but because he is universal! So buddy next step meta against crimson zhen and? There are so many possibilities, like asuka, Stromoy, panda, gypsy.. 🤔😊

[@storiesinspirechange3051]

Hi Timmi, thank you for this detailed video. How would you set up my army main march? I have Gypsi, Striker and Asuka all 5 stars and lv 5 exclusive skills in that order.

[@t-me8295]

Yes. Exactly like that

[@storiesinspirechange3051]

@t-me8295 thank you 😊 🙏

[@trabul5544]

Thank you for these vids, very good info. I'm navy main Layla, Strom/Gipsy, Crimson all 5*5. I notice that in recent vids you speak of hero damage vs reg attack damage. I've tried different hero orders and swapping Gipsy an Strom. My question is...what is the main reason in the difference. Mines is 1:1 and sometimes lower

[@wanglong5576]

Hello Timmy, may i ask....what about using PO, Zhen and Crimson? Can I do that ? Thank you for your effort and a great videos 😊 🙏

[@CreativeHuts-mz3wp]

I m using po Crimson duke abd it's performing very well

[@deanbrousseau3722]

In other words, the new heros don't replace any furrent meta. Thank you, glad i didn't waste any shards on these guys other then just unlocking them

[@franckd4284]

Hi timmy, actual meta navy layla/crimson/stromoy is about shield and synergies. The more navy slot you have the more efficient it is. ( remember i suggested you to take out encirclement on that case) So ,as zhen have no shield nor any kind of def, testing like this will help stromoy ans crimson to shine. I really dont think zhen is worth except for new server wich cant have meta hero. Stick (or try) crimson/layla/stromoy ( in that order) and HT gale slot 8, no encirclement...best imo. Bob will suggest duke mapple stromoy. ( and sassanian chip ...)

[@markswanson4967]

Interesting, Duke so sux, so for better comparison, both sides need to use the same Duke or Layla. That's because we would like to compare new heroes vs old heroes now.

[@kimbryanmagbag9534]

Hello T-me How about Erinyes po and zhen .🙏🏻

[@sadhope3930]

Hello bro T-me i was wondering what is the beat set for army units for the free players right now, we need your recommendations and perspective please!

[@FhjLaGjg-qk1vh]

I think there are many navy main players wich have the pacific rim heroes, but not old enought to have layla, since she's around one year old. So they (like me also) use gipsy crimson striker for navy. I would like to see this formation against zhen replacing crimson, but from no EX skill, since gipsy benefit more than PO from vulnerable units, since from my perspective the key difference between them is heavy armour vs vulnerable from no EX perspective

[@fifox5841]

Men you need to lower the blow to colossi, the blow can make a big difference

[@mohamedasaad9216]

Better to have another quick look on the previous epicode after your stats become that close (zhen layla stromoy Vs. crimson layla stromoy)

[@realsteel8113]

You said 5 hero’s…… there’s 6 there. Probably missed the snake 🤔

[@BerniceOlivia]

Boss, I think it will be very helpful that you both switch decks. So we can see what the real difference is in decks. How will Po, Duke and Zhen do with Colossus vs your Strom, Lay, Cr

[@albancanaj]

Hi mr. T-me, please instruct me because im on a big dilema... im navy (not bad stats on army and planes)and have gypsy5*/5skill, striker5*/5skill, crimson 5*/4skill, stormoy 5*, duke 4* and asuka 4*..... now, i have main gypsy-striker-crimson and my question is: i want to have a 2nd march on defense which may be army or navy, what should i do??

[@JulianDeGabriele]

I am over simplifying this and i appreciate I am purposely missing things out, however could Stromoy be one of the key factors here her silence and strengthing buff are great. I started playing after Evangelion and Pacific rim so my first proper collab was GI JOE. I feel I have went too deep down the Navy route to change at this stage, and my march is Duke, Stromoy (coined Stromoy) and just got Po and Zhen. I am seeing considerable improvement using Zhen with Duke and Stromoy, mainly due to the increased abnormal states they cause the enemy and Stromoy using her silence. I have however not worked enough on my Po to compare. 1 note on Navy, i feel the disadvantages you have at start are offset by the supression you have on army. Seeing as most servers are predominantly Army. I do understand that this will get lost further down the line, however further down the line you will also be more experienced in Navy... I tried to put a positive spin :)

[@t-me8295]

1. you are correct about stromoy 2. is never to late to start a new setup for tanks / planes. In fact , this will happen sooner or later 3. navi‘s issue ain’t just the heroes …but look at the unit manger in your base . It’s FAR FAR more effective to play tanks 4. the vast majority of players start with the tanks ….im a tank main since Megatron came out (was the moment Navi started to struggle ) and been tank main ever since . 5. you see my account setup : if I meet an army opponent…my army setup will help me win . And vs Navi players …I have my planes . I rarely attack with my Navi .

[@veit1103]

I was also Navy main and was afraid at how hard it might be to switch, but it was easier than I feared and I never looked back. :-)

[@andre0000000007]

T-me, i think minimal or no extras 1vs1 is the only real way to test new heroes. eg zhen vs crimson, nothing else.

[@JuanFc2]

Why did you change the order of Layla and Crimson? Is it better to have Layla on the right side and crimson in the center? I also think it would be good if you also did one or two battles with the same heroes to compare the difference in the reports with a mirror formation and then the new formation.

[@ejh237]

Hey Timmy, Your testing is amazing! always a MUST WATCH! May share a thought or two... I feel this test had a lot of moving parts. In the development (and testing/debugging) world, we try to keep variables to a minimum while tracing an issue. I think that same thing works with testing TW. ☺ I think an identical lineup, but swapping Zhen for Crimson might be interesting, not asking for me... more talking at a meta meta level with the limited tests you are able to run. Best to you kind sir!

[@t-me8295]

Your feedback is HIGHLY VALUABLE as it points out to different angles . That’s why is so important. At this point , I’m trying to convince the devs to totally rework the Arena : All players must have access , in the arena , to ALL heroes with lvl 5 and lvl 7 . Also being able to set mirror matches

[@FhjLaGjg-qk1vh]

The identical lineup setup was already posted before this video👀. And zhen struggled a bit, but the main reason is the fact that stromoi take advantage of crimson's heavy armour and do huge damage because of that, meaning you lose 50% dmg inc from silent precision, since every dmg reduction shield increase dmg with 25%

[@LionelCassano-u2e]

@t-me8295 could a "build" consisting of Layla Zen and Crimson be the best possible at the moment? even if without an offensive hero 🤔

[@LionelCassano-u2e]

because I was thinking about the fact that Layla and Stromoy apply att debuff and vulnerability respectively, Crimson would thus have increased damage even if he would lose a bit of the usefulness of the heavy armor without Stromoy so... could you please test it out for us?🥺

[@ferenckis7799]

Based on yout tests, what would you consider to br the meta for navy?

[@t-me8295]

Stromoy Layla crimson but I really wanna see : stromoy ( or po) + crimson + Zhen

[@MEAT856]

@@t-me8295this is the meta I want to see 🤞🏼

[@임형준-w9n]

Hello T-me, Thanks for your great inform video.👍 I have a question too, my navy march is Duke, Stromoy, Mayplyn. So Duke, Po, Zhen is better than my combi? I don't have a Crimson, Because I'm in new server.🤣

[@ejh237]

I think Timmy is going to tell you to make Mayplyn a farming hero 🤣

[@t-me8295]

@ejh237 NO … as that would imply to bring her to a higher star level 😂

[@임형준-w9n]

lol, I'll drop the Maple🤣

[@Trenchmedias]

Yeah I wasted on her. What a mistake. She great farmer though lol

[@Ben-1257]

I've read you wanna test the Crimson + Zhen march and like we don't have enough tests in Arena don't waste them I did that test already ! In attack yes it works in defense you will get destroy 😉 Also heard you said Crimson is universal I'm not agree he is full Navy but also maybe my English listening is Bad 😅

[@t-me8295]

1. Crimson’s HP buff is only for navi ..but his active skill is universal . Thank you for the feedback regarding: crimson + ZHEN . But I will need the data for myself and for the video …to see exactly what happens…

[@jacobsndergaard726]

There are 6 heros in the picture 😁

[@veit1103]

I am really wondering if I should unlock this hero. I have Crimson, but even more another thing goes through my mind: I am a mid spender, but need to select in which hero to invest. Why should I invest into a navy (or army or planes) specific hero? I have invested in Shinji, Gypsy, Asuka, Po… I can build a super strong March with universal heroes and once I build up additional universal heroes I can use the other ones to build the second unit type March and then the third etc. It sounds to me that I better invest my gems in universal hero charts and not into unlocking Zhen… Opinions?

[@mohamedel-shewy5189]

Hello T-me, great video as usual. Thank you for the effort 🙏🏻 I have a question, my navy march is layla,crimson and kotiya, should I replace kotiya with Po or Stromoy?

[@t-me8295]

Both good options. I think stromoy is slightly better

[@adnankus5674]

​@@t-me8295 Hi Timmy. Thank you for your informative videos. I have Stromoy, I have 3 skills, I can turn it into 5 if I want. But Po confused me. Would it be better if I upgrade PO to 5 stars and 5 skills? Thanks in advance

[@adnankus5674]

Next to you are crimson and eureka

[@t-me8295]

@adnankus5674 stromoy is super fine on Navi. And po doesn’t need the lvl 5 immediately

[@m.d.f8470]

​@@t-me8295 but stromoy she will be left out? she is 6 month old

[@TheJacksmen]

There actually 7 heroes. Left to right - Tigress (female), Viper (female), Panda, Mantas, Silver Fox (female), Monkey & Crane.

[@kcj1017]

I just switched out Duke for Layla, and you were right she is stronger. So my navy march is Layla/Po/Crimson

[@t-me8295]

KCJ. One day I will show you something Interesting regarding snake and Duke . Shake alpha was FAR WORSE…ONLY regular attacks would trigger his bullets ..ONLY REGULAR attacks …I went asap and said : And went should the bullets from slots 4-5-6 should trigger ? Are you out of your mind …and they changed . Duke originally supposed to support maple ..like Nelle correcting bry’s unique BUT a bad design. Duke SIMPLY HITS THE WRONG targets , while your opponent’s proc demolishing your slots 1-6 (ht included ) . I told them back then ( 1 full week before hero release: hit back rows = it’s bad . ) If players are under 300-350% dmg+/- and you must use encirclement units ..duke is FAR WORSE.

[@kcj1017]

@@t-me8295 i appreciate your testing and figuring this small, but important, scenario’s out. I wish i had more time and knowledge to do more testing. I do a little but not as much as i would like. Yeah Nelle really helped brin, them along with striker are my army march.

[@t-me8295]

@kcj1017 we are having a Bry 2.0 coming. Here is a thought worth mentioning: While Nelle + Bry works nice together…I would NOT recommend to corner yourself by aiming for such HIGH depending heroes (of each other ). As once you remove one ..the other won’t perform at top level

[@kcj1017]

@@t-me8295 That’s exactly what happened with bryn, so I got Nelle. I am going to go away from hero’s for a little while especially if they are only marginally better than previous hero’s and work on other parts of my game that are more universal to all marches. Like decor, formations etc.

[@jokergimang2480]

Maybe kungfu panda heroes good at all lv7

[@DESTROY-10101]

Great work Timmy, I run Strom, Crimson and Duke. I wanted to switch Duke to air and send in Zhen. Do you recommend?

[@t-me8295]

That’s exactly what we will test tomorrow. It’s super important to see what the battle reports looks like. From the numbers perspective: yes : ZHEN + crimson ‘ s enhancement should be at least as good as Layla’s (Duke) indestructible

[@DESTROY-10101]

So I would end up with Stromroy, Crimson and Zhen . Thank you.

[@t-me8295]

@DESTROY-1257 yes. It should work. Yes

[@DESTROY-10101]

Ok, I am hoping it will be a decent result for Zhen, I'll be there. Thanks again for your devotion Sir.❤

[@Mody.1I]

So crimson is clearly better. But the question here. zhen or crimson without lvl 5 excl. Which one would u recommended. Thanks alot and appreciate your work.

[@raulvizcarra1899]

I saw you post we are getting an indestructible hero soon. Any spoilers ?

[@t-me8295]

Not much is known anyways to make a difference. Like you see the perfect example: Duke is a hero with indestructible, but the 2nd part of the hero design, they didn’t listen = the weakest of the all. (Hit the back rows ) Important details change up to 1 week before release .

[@Kuroishiii]

Question T-me who’s better in lvl 7 skill crimson or zhen ?

[@ryanboz920]

i have crimson 5* already but no exclusive. do i just put an exclusive on him at this point?

[@t-me8295]

Yes

[@zhirongyang2736]

Will encirclement help the Duke+Zhen+Po team?

[@Ghost.t650]

Hi timmy, my march now is zhen/stromoy/layla. Do i need to change layla with duke or what ?

[@t-me8295]

ABSOLUTELY NOT ..except you insist to have worse performance. Look at the battle reports. It was always like this : Duke is the weakest indestructible hero we have . But people don’t watch the videos

[@Ghost.t650]

@@t-me8295 i watched all the vid but i just wanted to make sure, so in case i want to change Layla what hero should i 5star ?

[@t-me8295]

@ibnaymen2733 I will test tomorrow: ZHEN + crimson. Thats would be the only good option, if the battle reports show us that . Otherwise , there is no reason to change Layla ..she only works on navi

[@Ghost.t650]

@@t-me8295 unfortunitely i don't have crimson even if they work together ...

[@raulvizcarra1899]

So I’m just going to complete 3 hm. I have zhen and stromy so far. I have maple at 4 stars , po 4 stars duke 5 stars and Layla 1 star. My plan is to use po and duke for Air Force. Whom should I use for navy ?

[@ejh237]

Have you picked a main class? I fear you spread yourself too thin if you don't optimize on a single good march at this point in your game progress.

[@raulvizcarra1899]

@@ejh237 I have a strong army and strong navy. I’m about to hit 3 hm next week and have Layla who I can level up for navy to go along with zhen and stromy. Army I have nelle and bry at 5 stars along with duke. But I want to use duke and po for AF. All around I focused on Navy first but have had time to be all around decent.

[@t-me8295]

Layla . PLEASE watch the videos on maple and STOP LEVELLING HER

[@t-me8295]

Thank you for helping out brother.

[@t-me8295]

I would advise you to focus on tanks or planes. Far better unit management

[@sodopianos1412]

Crimson is best on Navy. His HP Enhancement is for navy units only.

[@t-me8295]

Yes true. But his proc skill is working on all units . Ofc , it’s the best to use the hero in such a way to reach his maximum performance. Which is , yes, on navi

[@veit1103]

And crimson can be quite a hard hitting universal PVE hero

[@richardhill3997]

Hi Timmi. Question for you: Why does River Game keep repeating events that are across all servers, particularly the alliance honour matches. Each and every time it’s the same 10 people collecting the top rewards in every single cross game event. There is no way any non-whale player has a chance to win or get a decent reward. Most of the common servers have no chance to compete. It feels to me that these events are set up to appease the top spenders and to encourage them to keep spending. Why can’t they create a tiered system that allows players of the same cp to fight against those of the same level. 40-45cp, 45-50, 50-55, etc. I believe that would create a better overall feeling of equality and fairness. A guy with 55cp vs a guy w/100 has no chance to compete. So why would people invest in their game knowing that the top lvl player invested the player monthly budget in one day. Any way you could put the idea into a few developers head. If I know I can win a bigger prize from an extra $100 investment on a monthly basis, I will spend the money. But if I spend that money to complete against the guy spending $100 a day, know this I won’t be spending anything more than the basic amounts.

[@raulvizcarra1899]

So simple question. Zhen basically replaces maple right ?

[@t-me8295]

Absolutely YES

[@СырымДузбаев]

На данный момент у меня на флоте Котия Тайфун и Дьюк и вместо Котия поставить По? Спасибо заранее!

[@t-me8295]

Yes. You should replace kotiya with Po the panda bear

[@terencehuang6134]

So sad as a new member of new server who has no access to those legacy heroes😢

[@t-me8295]

No worries. Po is great and even slightly better the gipsy . It’s a MAIN NAVI issue and it has been like this for at least 1 and half years. RG simple can’t make up their mind on navi heroes and they didn’t listen. You are super fine with tanks and planes. I’m a tank main since 2 years now .

[@terencehuang6134]

@@t-me8295 thanks for the tips T-me

[@라이언-j2r3o]

TEST PLZ DUKE + PO + ZEN VS DUKE + STROMOY + MAYPLIN

[@t-me8295]

I can do that brother ..but please go and watch the videos regarding maple. Maple is ATROCIOUS BAD. If I have time I will do it. But tomorrow ZHEN + crimson vs indestructible

[@brunoli1717]

Can't beat Stromoy with these new heroes, she's is huge damage booster.!! Replace Stormoy with Gipsy and then will see real battle stats-Zhen vs Crimson.

[@KJ28549]

I guess start asking for shard refunds for these new heroes....how lame

[@jacobadams8685]

So yeah, Zhen is obviously mediocre.

[@t-me8295]

Better then maple but not better then crimson.

[@raulvizcarra1899]

Mediocre ? I mean you’re comparing her to one of the best overall heroes in crimson. Imo better than duke in navy and maple.

[@t-me8295]

@raulvizcarra1899 she is so bad that players asked full refund . Getting snake lvl 5 / 7 corresponding to which strength level they brought her up

[@raulvizcarra1899]

@@t-me8295 this is about maple ?