T'pol quarrel with her mother

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[@jcreed09]

T'Pol's emotions were "always to close to the surface" because her father was- or is- a Romulan sleeper agent...planned to be revealed in Season 5 per Manny Coto. Future episodes would've revealed T'Les always knew and that he may not be dead but living back in the Romulan homeworld, then further seasons had T'Pol meet her half Sister, a Romulan Commander. Pity, would've been very interesting story arc.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

They couldn't have done that though for cannon sake - when the Romulans were first seen onscreen in TOS everyone was shocked by their look including Spock. No one had ever seen them during the wars per TOS.

[@andromedach]

No follow on Star Trek has respected the canon established by a previous series and Enterprise is no exception. At least it was not as blatant and disrespectful as STD but they still had their issues

[@williamphillips6049]

Interesting . . I always felt that Jolene Blalock was taking too much artistic license, but the storyline you mentioned could explain her choices.

[@jcreed09]

@@williamphillips6049 I think Jolene's portrayal of T'Pol as an individual with her own needs and wants was way ahead of its time, she doesn't want to get married to man she barely knows, doesn't want to live the life of typical Vulcan woman, she wants to explore the Galaxy and let's be real, T'Pol is a passionate woman overall. And just not T'Pol, I credit "Enterprise" with giving these early era Vulcans a more of a nuanced side and NOT the stoic Space Liberals of the 24th Century, the 22nd Century Vulcans are paranoid, arrogant, outright liars- P'Jemm for example- conservative to a fault, shown the Vulcans are stuck in neutral and have been for a long time, alarmed at the rapid pace of Human advancement.

[@williamphillips6049]

@@jcreed09 One of the first things I noticed about Jolene Blalock was her ability to emote passion by just a touch or a glance. Her eyes are intense and beautiful. It is necessary, natural and dare we say; logical, for all actors and actresses alike to give their personal interpretation to a role. This can be a challenge when dealing with established characters which are ingrained into our consciousness. I wish and look forward to seeing Ms. Blalock in other roles. I hope she is not stuck with T'Pol as Leonard Nimoy was with Spock. It simply is not fair to the actor. Excessive artistic license CAN be damaging to any series as a whole. I feel this is what happened to the latest reincarnation with Chris Pine as Captain Kirk and the recasting of the other original TV series characters; Bones, McCoy, Uhura, etc. So much licence, re-imagining, re-doing and ultra modern CGI ultimately undermined it. Consequently; it was ended. Thank God. I don't believe this is all what happened with Enterprise's cancelation but I believe it had something to do with it. This is especially a problem with "Pre-quels": Shows that claim storyline that happens before the original. Speaking for myself at least; I have a very difficult time believing in anything without consistency.

[@NeoRazgriz]

Vulcans supposedly suppress their emotions, yet in this clip alone there is: -Pride -vanity/ego -abuse of authority (punishing the mother for an adult child not ‘obeying’) -greed (lust for power/position) -empathy and kindness for Tripp (from T’Les)

[@carlosandleon]

abuse of authority is not an emotion- it can even be a logical action

[@faded9581]

@@carlosandleon abuse of authority is an action, which can stem from many possible emotions. In this case, spite.

[@carlosandleon]

@@faded9581 also logic

[@eharris3021]

That's politics, nothing to do with emotion.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

Suppression is not the absence of emotion and if you poke them long enough, even a Vulcan will lash out. And be a coward and making the life of your "enemies" family miserable, that is like being poked by a telephone pole.

[@MissMarinaCapri]

Shame is a highly emotional and illogical emotion for a Vulcan. Why would she say that? Because she’s a mother and she cares about her children.

[@casmx7300]

Well, that and T'Pol's children would only be half Vulcan, like Spock. So, they'd be far more susceptible to emotions such as shame.

[@mariajohnson-tanner2720]

They are supposed to feel shame for any outward display of emotion.

[@Zobeid]

We saw a lot of Vulcans in Enterprise, and they maintained a thin veneer of logic, paying lip service to their official philosophy. Their great talent, IMHO, was not logic but rationalization. It was doing what they wanted to do, and then inventing justifications afterwards. Here's a prime example. . . The High Command blamed T'pol for the P'jem incident, based on what facts? And then punished her mother, based on what logic? I'm sure they must have invented some elaborate and seemingly-logical explanation to convince themselves that this was acceptable. I think the series had so many similar incidents that it must have been deliberate on the part of the writers.

[@Wraiths_and_Wreckage]

'You can use logic to justify anything.'

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

Romulans had manipulated Vulcans for years in a plot to destroy them. At this point, they had blurred the line that differentiated rationalization and logic

[@thomassenbart]

You are correct. The writing of the Vulcans was very bad and a constant annoyance. T'pol being the exception.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@thomassenbart It's not that I can't understand where you two are coming from, but I think you're being a bit harsh in your criticism, though that's me. There was a reason the Vulcans had been behaving strangely and not only was there a fix when the Syrannites saved Vulcan society with Archer, giving viewers something to work with, but Zobeid noted the deliberation the writers had going in what they were doing with Vulcans.

[@EMSpdx]

DAMN. This is something that I have been reaching for when talking about Vulcans, and here it is. Like many here, one wonders at some the actions of non Spock/Tuvok Vulcans and here we are. Thank you.

[@spencers4121]

I never could get past T'pol's pants and heels, they seem so out of place.

[@000snow000]

Jolene lost so much weight throughout the series. She was always thin but she seemed to get skinnier as time went on. She looks almost ill here.

[@jennifersmith-clark6418]

Just what I was thinking

[@spencers4121]

Jeri Ryan said the same thing about her character, as she had to wear skin tight body suits.

[@josephmassaro]

I really didn't like how they made the Vulcan's the "bad guys" in this series. 5000 years of enlightenment out the window.

[@adambrown3918]

I think they had to be written that way to make the audience consider them different and not quite friends to humanity yet. They look like us but are superior physically and mentally. They lost something along the way ( the devotion to pure logic ) which is why we facinate and scare them. Better to keep tabs on us by staying close by like a nanny or babysitter. A slap on the wrist( or neck pinch ) when things get out of hand. 😆

[@josephmassaro]

@@adambrown3918 I don't think that they had to do it, but I agree that is why they did it. I think they didn't need to make the Vulcan government corrupt, but they also didn't need to make T'Pol more human than Vulcan. By the fourth season they had cleaned up a lot of the mess from the earlier seasons and retconned or explained a lot of it away, but I think it was part of what caused the viewership to drop off. That and over-saturation of the franchise. People might think that I don't like this show because I'm very critical of certain things about it, but nothing could be further from the truth. I started writing during this show. I had friends who worked on the show. It had a number of personal connections for me. I was deeply saddened when it ended, because it had finally found its legs.

[@overlordp.3758]

It tried to prove that nobody's perfect I suppose.

[@josephmassaro]

@@overlordp.3758 Maybe, but they could have done a better job of it. All the sequel Trek shows had weak starts, but Enterprise took longer to find it's footing and wasn't given the same time frame.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Massaro-Did they name the thief of T'Pol and Trip's DNA after you? I guess it's a common name anyway. One can be critical of "Star Trek" and still like it. Same here. I recall that V'Las and his assistant were found to be Romulans. The man-Sopek-T'Pol saved in "The Shadows of P'Jem" was mentioned in a future novel as a Romulan as well I believe. The Vulcans in the monastery-"The Andorian Incident" were spying on the Andorians so they weren't just wary of humans. You think the viewers would have liked T'Pol as much if she remained so aloof for 4 years straight? Even Spock wasn't always so robot like; but then again, he was 1/2 human. I liked Kirstie Alley's Saavik better as I believed her Romulan 1/2 was more likeable than Robin Curtis's wooden style. Maybe Manny Coto did have plans for T'Pol's ocassional behaviour and it wasn't just from her Trellium addiction. She was a bit emotional at times before she was exposed to both Pa'nar Syndrome and Trellium: I think that having a more positive feedback from the human crew allowed her to open up with them and change. Why else would she change her uniform and hairstyle in the 3rd season? She felt more accepted. Had she not, she would have stayed the same way or gone back to Vulcan. She needed them as much as they needed her. In other words, I liked her as much as the others.

[@jacklawer6389]

T pol the sexiest woman in the world

[@FirstLastOne]

Such drama... this could have also played either at 1pm or 2pm in most North American homes back in the 80's and 90's.

[@alexmuenster2102]

Maybe even at 3:00 p.m.? Maybe even in the late 70s? Your unnecessarily specific remark was unnecessarily specific.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Cue the Days of Our Lives theme lol 😆

[@gregbors8364]

I remember watching the “Amok Time” episode of OG Star Trek as a kid and being impressed by how truly alien the planet Vulcan seemed. This show makes Vulcans look like new-age Californians

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

But apparently, they smell much better than the rest of us.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

I just know that Jolene wanted to retire and she's younger than I am (I'm almost 67 in May). I can't blame her for wanting to take care of her 3 boys, but surely Michael can do that (What if Live Nation gets sued because of that Astro World event?). I hope she'll change her mind. There's nothing wrong with the one she has!

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@virginiaconnor8350 I don't know if she wanted to retire or just gave up on it when she got married and had children (which didn't happen until after the series was over). But good for her either way. There is so much more to life than work and i'm glad she's found what makes her happy. She did appear in a number of movies afterwards, but her movie career never really took off and she more or less retired as you said. I know at one point she said she'd be willing to an ENT movie, but I think the bitter ending of ENT and the attitude of CBS at the time torpedoed all chances of that happen, but still we can only hope. If they were to do one though (very unlikely) it would have to happen very very soon as many of the cast members have age A LOT. Particularly Scott Bakula (Archer) and John Billingsley (Phlox). Trineer is also getting up there as well (in his late 50's) and Jolene is now 45 although having seen a picture of her recently she still looks stunningly beautiful to me.

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

We never went to the cities in Amok Time just an ancient ritual site.

[@frankt9156]

So Vulcan is petty just like any other race.

[@landonletterman831]

I like the pairing of human and Vulcan. Vulcan's, to remind humans to take a step back from emotion when it's time to embrace logic Human's, to remind Vulcan's that, "Nah, it's time to get emotional, let me do it for you!" I think it's probably cathartic, to watch a human go off on somebody who is irksome to a Vulcan, even though their enotional state won't allow them to do the same. A Vulcan doesn't have to rage, he can still enjoy the sound of laughter, and walk away with the good brain juices those permit, without needing to do it themselves. It's like you know coffee is bad for you, so you don't buy it yourself, but you still have a partner who will let you have a sip/a cup of there's from time to time (conversely, also a friend to be like, "How much coffee have you had? You should cut back!")

[@polemeros]

Interesting that the hyper-rational Vulcans are also competely hierarchical in organization and ritualistic in practice. Given the general drift of Star Trek attitudes, that's quite counter-intuitive. But then, the whole ST "mythos" is rooted in unreality and contradiction.

[@chrisloesch1870]

It's really not that surprising though. Vulcans were a clan / warrior society prior to the "awakening" when they turned to logic. Before that everything was clan warfare similar to much of earth's early history, except they took it to the extreme. Their buried emotions were even more powerful than a human's and why they devoted so much time and energy to keep them under control otherwise it consumed them in total anger, lust, etc. This is even hinted at in the original series with Spock. Much of what they did in ritual was to cloak and shield the occasional (but necessary) surfacings of those suppressed primitive instincts such as Pon'Far or the Kal'if'fee when warriors would fight to the death for a mate. All of that dated back to the times before the awakening and the teachings of Surak which ultimately saved their civilization from total annihilation. Before the awakening the clans / families routinely attacked one another, slaughtered each other, took slaves, etc. But yeah just like any other fiction the ST mythos is rooted in unreality, but it is interesting to read. Some of the fan fiction pieces on fan.net are quite interesting.

[@cholodelrosari0543]

1:19 T'pol, you're too emotional for a Vulcan. What happen to her? Did she take some kind of drug that permanently damaged her ability to supress emotions

[@geoffwilliams4478]

It's all explained after they encounter the Seleya, a Vulcan ship that went into the expanse but all of them were emotional zombies a short time later

[@mariajohnson-tanner2720]

She is half Romulan so her emotions would be further on the surface.

[@asvarien]

This politics crap aounds almost too human for Vulcans.

[@agm8554]

The Vulcan High Command had been corrupted by Romulan infiltrators at this point. Almost all Vulcans felt the effects of the infiltration. T'Pol herself is supposed to be half-Romulan (her father was a Romulan infiltrator).

[@trebleking1641]

What people need to realise is that Vulcans are highly emotional beings. It's just that they've learned to suppress and control the incredible maelstrom of passions.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

"That wouldn't be your concern." Was almost cryogenic. But her love for her mother is solid and deep rooted. T'Pol later turns Trip away and marries her intended because his family dangled bait to help her mother if she would. Family runs deep. (Or should)

[@mrthingy9072]

Depends on what is splitting a family apart. When the bulk of a family loses their mind and starts behaving evilly and has no intention of changing, well... sometimes that's a bridge too far.

[@quoniam426]

T'Pol feeling indignation for her mother's dismissal to blame the daughter they couldn't reach echoes what Archer felt for the very same reason; they found a scapegoat and subsequently showed how hypocritical they were.

[@EdiaStanfordBruce]

In the time before the original writings of Surak were uncovered, Vulcan was slip-sliding away. Governing bodies were infiltrated and corrupted; secrets were burrowing under the flesh of Vulcan society like creatures burrowed under her red sands. We see some of it exposed in the argument between mother and daughter.

[@alwynjaegar1778]

'Assuming you could have children' Well T'les.... commander Tucker happens to ve a very breedable young engineer, so breedable he did it with rocks once 😂😂😂

[@verilyheld]

"Assuming you could have children." Tucker already has a child with an alien woman.

[@pirobot668beta]

Institutions and the people serving them have a life of their own...'for the greater good' grinds many individuals to dust. When a society justifies this sort of actions, it is a dying society. I think that the Vulcan people are like Rome in her latter days: mighty and well respected, but riddled with intrigues and plots.

[@quoniam426]

No coincidence, Vulcan government was infiltrated by Romulan agents at the time, Administrator V'Lass himself is part of the plot. The Vulcan people was supposed to sink into a big conflict with the Andorians and be retaken by the Romulans afterwards. Little did they know that Archer would rediscover the ancient writings of Surak and reunify the Vulcans into one banner along with the Andorians and Tellarites. In the Chess game of the Romulans, Archer was the lose parameter, no wonder they later consider humans as fascinating, the unpredictable variable in their grand schemes.

[@willdavis3802]

The Vulcans of this time mirror the USA govt currently. Infected by family or sexual ties to foreign govts, sponsored by nazi collaborators (and tech companies looking for a slice of the pie), believing their own plan for the future to be the only true path for billions, and willing to discard or destroy anyone that jeopardizes that or destroy their family and friends if the person is too powerful or out of reach.

[@AMD7027]

"That is not you concern, now I will go get knocked up to prove it to you"

[@arthurok327]

T'Pol's mother is not a very disciplined Vulcan, if she can't meditate with her own daughter in the room.. perhaps she needs to reevaluate her emotions.. Peace and long life

[@TheLongjohntim]

As Wil Weaton once said and I quote "Live long and suck it!"

[@J.Giovanni]

She needs to spend the weekend with Tuvok

[@nicholasmaude6906]

@@J.Giovanni LOL! T'Les getting it on with Tuvok.

[@vincerob369]

@@J.Giovanni Tuvok? WHY??? All he'd do is drag a "afro pick" across the Vulcan desert, and say, "we ain't found schitt!"

[@StoicLion]

During the warm summer months, it is quite logical for young Vulcan women to wear pastel-colored capri pants. The high-heeled shoes, however, were T'Pol's personal choice.

[@shortshrimp]

thats what i call.. Petty bickering. and i find it most intriguing

[@MikeyDunn]

I guess T'pol must have been letting a little Human influence into her clothing at this point, going by those pedal-pushers, lol!

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Her mother, she told Archer later, was a bit eccentric. She was probably the one who dressed more like a human mother. T'Pol is a bit of an eccentric as well. She was most likely a rebellious teen. I wonder if Jolene was like her too when she went off to travel to Asia and Europe to model. I wish I could have!

[@deepsleep7822]

Alternate story line . . . “Assuming you could have children.” “There’s no assumption, I’m pregnant . . . with Trip’s baby.” 🎶 Dunt, dunt, DUH! 🎶 Mother faints. FunFact: The woman who played T'Pol's mother, T'Les, is played by Joanna Cassidy. She played Dolores in Who Framed Roger Rabbit

[@ruthblack3954]

She also played Dwayne Pride's (Scott Bakula's) mom in NCIS: New Orleans a few years later.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

And she was also William Shatners wife in Season 2 of Boston Legal

[@EricMcConnaughey]

And she was in Blade Runner. She was the stripper replicant with the snake.

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

I've watched this a few times, and what really impresses me is the set itself. They did a solid job of creating a believable environment for a "typical" Vulcan home.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Why would T'Pol want to marry Koss? Aside from the fact she basically doesn't know him and that from what I've seen he's a bit of an arsehole, Trip is someone she has got to know very well and is someone she can rely upon.

[@SvendleBerries]

Its one of those "the parents get to decide who their children marry" type of things.

[@johncasor9698]

Another Great Reply... That would not be your concern... Haha...

[@alexmuenster2102]

Well, that WOULD be her concern. How else is she supposed to know whether to knit infantwear or not?

[@nicholasmaude6906]

I wonder if the quarrel is over T'Pol's relationship with Trip?

[@virginiaconnor8350]

I wonder if T'Pol had actually broken up with Koss long before sheveven met Trip and that finally, her relationship with Trip was an excuse to break up with Koss. Maybe, he was too controlling or just wanted her to stay home and have babies, etc..She had an obligation to marry Koss, but it was one she wasn't happy with, and she'd asked Trip for his opinion. He thought he wasn't much help, but I think he actually helped more than he realised-which us why she kissed him at the wedding. Koss helped her, but soon decided not to wait for her and go find someone else.

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@virginiaconnor8350 there's no doubt deep down inside she didn't want to marry Koss. They were bonded as young children but obviously it wasn't completely successful as she felt no connection to him.

[@harvey2906]

Joanne Cassidy is a beautiful woman.

[@huskerjpg]

Check her out in Who FRamed Roger Rabbit?

[@harvey2906]

@@huskerjpg Yes, she is also an eye - catcher in the film. As in each of her films. The woman is a dream. 😏

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Also, Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead (1990)

[@harvey2906]

@@geoffwilliams4478 With Christina Applegate, if I'm not entirely wrong. It was a comedy in the 1990s. She played an attractive businesswoman there. 🤓

[@geoffwilliams4478]

@harvey2906 yep. She was also a feisty sex monster for William Shatner in the 2nd season of Boston Legal, which aired around the time this was canceled.

[@DaveVersteeg]

but the vulcans as a race are (in this time period) very nationalistic. Just hear her mother say "you believe a human and a vulcan can have a future together"..and the golden oldie "imagine the shame your children would endure" So..the vulcans in that time are really not nice people.

[@jdsiv3]

but the Vulcans in this time are basically the same as in the Vulcans in Spock's time, given their lifespan. It is, at most, one generation removed,

[@blusafe1]

Vulcans were never nice people. Almost every depiction of Vulcans are as arrogant, racist, xenophobic punks. I believe the first Vulcan to be favorably depicted was Tuvok, and even he had his asshole moments. Tuvok even admits that knowing Janeway for decades has changed him. The vast majority of Vulcans will never have such close relationships with non-Vulcans. All-vulcan Starfleet ships are still the norm as of the "modern" Trek period.

[@youknowwho257]

Imagine we discover another race in another planet and people calling humans who don't want to breed with the aliens "racist", imagine humans wanting to keep human race intact and pure without mixing with crazy alien DNA being perceived as "racists". Also imagine the aliens being extremely violent out of nowere, or just behaving in werird manners and people refusing to be near the aliens and people calling them "xenophobic punks". There's limits to all this name calling. The rest is true tho, Vulcans were never nice people to humans, they have no obligations to be in the first place.

[@1acroyear1]

Lol for a second there at the end I thought T'Pol was gonna slap her upside the head.

[@tommargarites2811]

She probably stormed out the way she did, so she couldn't.

[@thebammer5166]

I'm over 20 hours early. How did that happen?

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Now, that's funny! "The Vulcan Directorate says there's there's no such thing as time travel". Woody Woodpecker laugh!

[@thomassenbart]

The Vulcans in this series almost universally suck. Only T'pol behaves as a proper Vulcan, most of the time. The others are good at portraying arrogance but not stoic non emotionalism, that is the hallmark of Vulcan identity. This mother, is typical of such the overly emotional Vulcans that are everywhere in the series.

[@ToothlessDragon536]

T'pol needs a sandwhich tbh more than anything else.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

She was always emotional for a Vulcan. I know they had talked about making her father a Romulan however they couldn't have done that though for cannon sake - when the Romulans were first seen onscreen in TOS everyone was shocked by their look including Spock. No one had ever seen them during the wars per TOS.

[@Miss_Myth]

If they cared about canon, you're right, they couldn't. I don't know where they draw the line, but the fact that they named the ship Enterprise despite the multiple confirmations in established canon that the first ship so named was Kirk's... there's some canon they were apparently willing to throw out the window for this series.

[@wakcedout]

Thing is in the highest ends of the vulcan government, they knew. One of those dirty little secrets the vulcans kept hidden away from everyone else.

[@johanwittens7712]

@@Miss_Myth at least they made the effort to fit it into canon. Kirk's enterprise was the first star fleet/federation ship named enterprise. This doesn't mean there weren't any ships named enterprise before it. As it is shown in enterprise's intro sequence, the name enterprise dates way back to sailing ships. So in this way they fitted the NX enterprise neatly into canon. It was earth's first true star ship, but since star fleet didn't really exist yet until the formation of the federation, it wasn't the first federation/star fleet ship named enterprise. At least they tried to explain it with a reasonable assumption that requires minimum suspense of belief. In modern trek however they shit over canon every episode and don't even try to fit things into the existing canon...

[@johanwittens7712]

@@wakcedout Yup it's made clear in TOS, TNG, and so on and then mostly in enterprise, that Vulcans are just as secretive as the Romulans. They were after all related species. In such a secretive society marred in tradition, ritual, etc it isn't that surprising that something that should be common knowledge was kept secret even from their own population. People have a romantic view of the Vulcans because of Spock. But even in TOS we see vulcan society is quite harsh, ritualistic, and secretive especially towards outsiders. I actually loved what they did with the Vulcans in enterprise, deepening them as a more complex race that themselves were going through an evolution and change because of first contact with us annoying, emotional humans.

[@uzul42]

I remember that TOS episode. Spock was indeed shocked. You could tell because his right eyebrow rose almost a quarter inch higher than it ever had before.

[@rayc.8555]

They could never remake this show and recapture what they had. The cast, the writing and the rest made it a special Star trek. This show has not aged at all. It is that good IMHO.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

“It’s criminal.” The bigger crime here is we never got to see her and Trip get past the highschool flirting stage and have an actual relationship.

[@jetfire1153red]

1:41 At least they’ve got the courage to find out the answer to that question instead of disparaging it is a bad idea before its even been tried.

[@2lostbikes]

1:51 Oooh...Vulcan BURN! Live long and get BURNED!

[@artcarney-fq8pg]

Star trek enterprise was my 2nd favorite of the series, Deep Space Nine is by far my favorite

[@travisdunlap4526]

T'pol is a bit spoiled here.... "they punished my mother because of me....how could you let that happen!" Sorry, but your decisions caused this, not saying its right, but you definately shouldn't be blaming your mother from having to deal with your mess.

[@blusafe1]

Yeah I picked up that vibe too. But I mean, children sort of hope their parents can magically fix problems.

[@rachelar]

Vulcans based on Japanese much?

[@gerardcousineau3478]

In a future episode we learned T'Pol's father was Romulian. This episode was never aired.

[@trplankowner3323]

That was so funny I forgot to laugh.

[@sgtwhisker26]

I’m grateful that episode never aired The idea of her being Half Romulian would have been bullshit and wouldn’t really add anything to the story.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

@@sgtwhisker26 And Saavik being 1/2 Romulan didn't?

[@sgtwhisker26]

@@virginiaconnor8350 I do not know who this is

[@ThePathStrider]

@@sgtwhisker26 She's in Wrath Of Khan and Search For Spock, although played by different actresses.

[@balung]

Yeah, thanks again Frakes for that last episode of Enterprise, you should have stuck with STNG

[@EricMcConnaughey]

I think I read an interview somewhere when Frakes and Sirtis were brought in for the finale they knew it was a bad idea and disrespectful to the ENT cast. Unfortunately, it's not like they could have changed anything.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

A human and a Vulcan! Imagine the shame.

[@trplankowner3323]

I would have liked to see T'Pol say "I have great respect for Captain Archer as well and I have no plans to produce offspring with him either. When I first came aboard the Human ship, I hoped to ease their misgivings about Vulcans. Now I begin to suspect that their misgiving are well founded. Perhaps I was blinded by my Vulcan arrogance. Perhaps I should learn to give more credence to the Humans' intuition. It certainly seems to have spotted an issue I and many Vulcans have overlooked." I find that the Humans are not the only species here that are overlooking the perception of a species they consider lower than themselves. (Trip and Archer not recognizing Porthos' correct judgement of T'Pol when she first came aboard)

[@Volgan16666]

Missed opportunity for T'plop (it's all in the pronunciation) to get the clash on the ear for being so disrespectful. A good clash or two would soon set her logic right.

[@shadowrunner4526]

Why is she worried about “Shame?” Isnt that illogical

[@fercantu7430]

Time to blaime others?..... where i start😂

[@xxlCortez]

Dismissing T'Pol's mom based on false accusations as revenge is the direct opposite of logic. The writers mixing up Vulcans with Klingons.

[@PaperbackWizard]

False accusations are dishonorable (though not unheard of among Klingons). On the other hand, if they're effective, then they're completely logical.

[@jetfire1153red]

1:48 who says they want kids?

[@alias8378]

"shame is unlogical"

[@craigfuller1532]

So much for being an unemotional Vulcan.

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

They are emotional they simply suppress it

[@craigfuller1532]

@@DavisJ-ln6fw I get that, but suppressing them she ain't.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

​@craigfuller1532 remember the tritium D addiction? It was weakening her control

[@mariajohnson-tanner2720]

​@@craigfuller1532As a half Romulans she would have trouble suppressing her emotions, it is the reason why ancient Vulcans were exiled because they ignored Surak's teachings on logic.

[@landonletterman831]

Where is the logic in punishing an innocent party for the actions of another, especially a fully grown offspring I'm with T'pol, I find this lack of logic disturbing....... I would be outraged, as well. Glad Tucker wasn't there......

[@SeaScoutDan]

If you could even have children. Well had 2 and they are time travelers. ;)

[@chrisloesch1870]

Look at the look on T'Pol's face at 0:09. grrrrrr that's someone itching to argue. Run run for the hills!

[@joysticktroy]

T’pol should eat a few cheeseburgers

[@Isilzhatheta1]

T'Pol should have listened to mama. Never bought into the Trip Tucker/T'Pol 'ship.

[@catman351]

Let's just stop for a moment and appreciate how T'Pol/Jolene Blaylock is absolutely HOT here!

[@thereasonwhy5188]

Racism

[@youknowwho257]

That's literaly a alien race for then, that's really not racism.

[@robluck21]

Tpols mother is so right, reckless actions have consequences, one must pay and suffer that. Tpol turned against the interests of her people in the monastery disaster you cant then expect them to overlook that or disregard that. Her poor mother has to suffer. The whole series was very anti-Vulcan for no reason at all really other than to demonstrate the leftist/liberal value of ingratitude, disloyalty, and turning/betraying on your friends/allies.

[@refulgent_fanta]

The Vulcan government's actions also had consequences, not just T'Pol's. In the end they were the ones that decided to disrespect their own culture and desecrate an ancient monastery. And you're missing an important aspect here. These were not the Vulcans we're used to from the other shows. Their leadership was corrupted by Romulan agents. Also, they were beginning to stray from Surak's teachings.

[@robluck21]

@@refulgent_fanta Number one there are no rules in love and war. Second extremism in defense of virtue is no vice. Although I love T pol, the life she has chosen to reject loyalty to her own people and identify with primitive aliens isn't logical.