T1 or WEIBO: Dom's dilemma / Breaking down JDG's semi-finals performance - Power Spike S2E34

[@S1GNIFICANT]

Dom saying Faker was slightly better than Knight is just a blatant crime. Knight was completely invisible the entire series. This isnt the performance you'd expect from the so called "Best mid in China". Also, no recognition for Zeus dismantling 369. Absolute no mention of Gumayusi's 1v2 at the end. No recognition for Keria gapping Missing. It felt like this episode was just excuses over excuses of how JDG couldve but never did. Pathetic honestly.

[@TheAngelFolly]

Also Dom pushing all the blame on Kanavi for game 4 when he was trying to make plays and initiate but just flubbed. It's embarrassing that not even Chinese LPL fans are blaming Kanavi as much as Dom. He's a clown.

[@peternguyen7077]

Yea its absolutely disgusting how he blames Kanavi for everything. 1 369 is should be mega held accountable; everyone keeps focusing on ad supports while a main counter to them is rumble and for going this long in the tournament unable to play it is such a bad look. 2 Knight is not being to deny Azir or play it is also a crime. I HATED how they were saying he didnt have to carry in g4 with ori since Ruler was ahead and sudden we give him an excuse to go crown zhon??? Like how is ruler suppose to carry if his support does more damage then his mid. Everyone on T1 just absolutely gapped JDG

[@nirvash241]

@@TheAngelFolly dude don't even want to blame 369 who is useless pretty much on all game cause he can't play atrox

[@Nangman-Tsu]

knight ghosted the whole series, he never went for big plays while faker constantly made differences. kanavi was desperate to make plays because he was the only one trying, and you can't criticize anyone for that. almost every korean analyst agree that mid was the biggest difference, besides top which is not even worth mentioning.

[@alexanderatanasov5837]

I mean, if you actually watched the game, you would see that Kanavi was the only player which was hard gapped purely from play. Also, if you listen to what Dom said 10 seconds later, you would hear dom saying that Faker "didn't make any mistakes, whole series". T1 fanbois hear only what they want to hear.

[@eshanthaperera]

Pure Cope from Dom the whole time lmao, and Monte and Thorin's(Yeah Thorin's not here, but I also watched Summoning Insight just now) constant arguments whenever T1 wins is always along the lines of T1 played well, but the other team played bad. So as of now, this is the third LPL team to get wrecked by T1, and at this time there should be a conversation about how T1 somehow makes LPL teams play like muppets, rather than genuinely taking away everything T1 does to their opponents, especially the intangibles. It's really disrespectful. I have the least gripe with Monte though, truth be told. Dude is intelligent and he argues both sides most of the time. But Dom though. Man's got enough salt to replenish the salt lost from the Dead Sea.

[@nathanielrobles3284]

Yeah they shpuld cut the crap about other teams playing bad and just credit T1 for playing good. Teams and players are prone to be inconsistent and would play bad at times. They should praise T1 for being consistently good. Besides, JDG are playing well like in game 3 and 4 they were ahead in gold like 2k and up. T1 just outplayed them. Tgey blaming Kanavi yet in that Velveth play in game 4 they were basically ahead and pressuring T1. If you remove all koreans in LPL then they will be basically just a tryhard second strongest region.

[@stephenkim96]

I think the biggest difference between T1 in finals this year compared to last year is that T1 actually has scrim partners. Teams like KT, GenG, KDF, and LSB are actively scrimming with T1 so that T1 can not only hide their strats from the LPL, but they can also stay somewhat sharp too. Last year, T1 players stated that they basically had no one to practice with during the breaks between quarters to finals because every team that lost basically went on vacation.

[@VanillaQT]

Monti insisting telling Dom the past podcast that T1 has the best meta read at this tournament thats why he predicting T1 to take the win over JDG then Dom just simply not getting it and still discrediting T1 and leaning to JDG with his recency bias lmao.. Now he saying basically T1 won just because its their meta... man getting out played and getting out performed on the day isnt just because they have a different perspective and won with it LOL

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

meta is a funny thing to talk about in league because of the small champion pool in the meta especially compared to dota. Blaming the meta when you only have to play a few champions would be laughable to the dota community. Don't blame the meta, 369, knight and missing having a champion pool of the size of a puddle is their problem.

[@arvintob]

@@Daniel-ik6wi meta argument is flawed in itself, they're making excuses that the Meta Favors T1 heavily why they won but one can also say the meta favored JDG in every other tourney

[@potheadesens8725]

Meta thing is just an excuse for teams that play one style and have a champion puddle😂

[@alenlisic446]

How the tables have turned now TheShy is Doms only hope

[@nuraby_9228]

Everyone made fun of Weibo, now they need Weibo to save LPL lol

[@smoltaengoo]

dom had the best time of his life last week then it all crumbled this week LMFAO

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

Deserved 😂

[@eltruco3598]

Everytime T1 won a teamfight, i could hear the pain in his voice while he was giving them credit. Like he didnt want to praise T1 but he had to just so people wouldnt think that he was actually so upset about it. Just look at his face everytime T1 takes jdg down

[@mokchahaahmed4226]

trueeeeeeeeee 🤣@@YAHOOISNOTG

[@RandyOvero]

I don't understand why do he hate T1 so much lol?? What did T1 do to him? 😅

[@aquidillion]

​@@RandyOverothey're forever overrated and their fans are annoying. You can't criticize that team without getting jumped by their fans, and every one of their players were rated the best in their role forever and always, even when they arent. I don't even hate the players, I actually like all of them but the fans are insufferable.

[@oligarch030]

Shoutout to Dgon for still having a great quality mic while being abroad!

[@QIYICI]

I knew it's over when JDG picked Bel'Veth and Zeri because if someone watched LPL know these champs are picked when JDG is desperate.

[@dingdongchingchong2957]

it did work, no? If kanavi didnt run it, zeri and ori would've just hit 2 core and win the whole game from there. It's nothing wrong to pick their comfort picks. Kanavi run the fk down is the problem

[@RandyOvero]

It works.. its just that T1 play it better 😂

[@RandyOvero]

​​@@dingdongchingchong2957also blame knight for picking akali in the first game that is literally the shittiest decision when he couldn't even fukin play akali at all (just stick with syndra and orianna please 😅) wait he also couldn't fukin play azir.. ohh my god what the fuk he is been doing his whole career not learning azir or even akali (no wonder people call him choke knight) also wasn't orianna counter azir?? Ohh my god what the fuk he is been doing getting gapped by faker 😂 . Ohh yeah also 369 is a fukin burden lol he only can play renekton, aatrox, ksante?? Like what the hell?? Are u kidding me?? I mean should blame him too for picking rumble and being a liability with low champ pool lol this dude really rely a lot on patches that boost his champ lol . This team is full of holes once u find a way to actually counter one lane lol

[@chaptermastermoloc4171]

@@dingdongchingchong2957 You talk as if Faker Azir didn't Gap Knight Orianna counterpick. Yes Kanavi played horribly but Knight is no better. T1 was just the better team this time.

[@miksalmina1012]

​@@dingdongchingchong2957it wouldn't IMO. Knight got gapped in all games but the second one. 369 as well. To top it off, in game 4 Faker was fed. JDG didn't have the short range "come at me" team comp that they had in game 2, as well. It wouldn't work IMO even if Kanavi got fed that game

[@ChrisJoestarr]

Nah Dom is nasty, now saying that worlds is overrated, blaming all on kanavi when he wasn't the best but, missing messed up pretty bad, both 369 and knight were ghosts pretty much

[@VanillaQT]

he just egoistic bandwagon lmao cant just admit T1 played better that day over JDG , Talking this and that plays that should have done and what not, There is a huge difference between spectating a game and saying these theories and being in the game itself as a player with that amount of pressure and intensity there are different variables happening you cant control

[@faker3033]

Iwd is just a hater, he istn't cheering for his team he is literally hoping for other teams to lose and shit the bed, thats hate and he deserves it tbh, the hate on theshy and t1

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

knight had zero agency in this series did u watch these fucking games??? 369 played bad sure but it feels like ppl have no idea how midlane works in competitive and think that if ur good u can just 1v9 like it’s season 8 worlds 😑

[@yuelian7663]

this video is pretty much a salt fountain bro. ppl here most likely are salty about T1 winning this series. also dom here is branded himself as LCK hater or T1 hater. so it is expected that their rant are biased. All those thing aside, you can just skip their videos. they are SO biased its really nasty just as you`ve said. I really think their rant about who`s wrong, who`s making mistakes, who`s inted really disrespected every players is this series. Every players can be criticized, but the words from their mouth are pretty much more insult than critique. These kind of rant feels like underestimating the hard work T1 and JDG putting in this series. These T1 and JDG players arent treated like a Honorable Warriors here as they should. but well, here they are making fun of their blood and tears.

[@fmagistel]

​​@yuelian7663 It's even funnier when you consider his actual career as a pro player. He isnt even fit to scrape the toenail fungus of those he flames. Kanavi? Ruler? Their careers are already untouchable compared to his. Calling them Korean sleeper agents...lmfao.

[@doloran-]

I absolutely love how the episode starts with Monte grinning from ear to ear and Dom looks like he just saw a murder.😂

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

guma could stop a mass shooting at the worlds final venue and he still wouldn’t be mentioned istfg

[@creatinepowder167]

Legit so true, these guys are so cringe.

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

no1 realizes that actually executing on keria's signature lane dominant picks requires an incredibly good laning ad i think in 2-3 years guma will be looked at like jkl is now, where everyone lowkey admits they bought into the "inter" narrative way harder than they should have @@creatinepowder167

[@xeshurabeliard6025]

Is Dom really blaming Kanavi for the entire series? Like sure game 4 he was running it down. But game 1 is entirely 369's fault they picked a very strong rumble meta for him and he got clapped by Zeus. Knight was also invisible with akali in game 1. Oner invaded the red, raptors, krugs he took fukin everything because there is no vision from Rumble (369) and Akali (Knight) , nor even any response at all. Kanavi tried to recover some tempo by ganking mid, make faker recall, and took Oner's raptors, but Faker (Bard is also rotating at this time) is willing to cover for Oner albeit losing some mid tempo, but they are not willing to do the same for Kanavi so of course he will be behind this game. Game 2 was won by Ruler and Kanavi. Kanavi was smurfing that game with his engages. How can you even argue that this is not a Kanavi game. Sure 369 did a decent job, but this is mostly on ganks and engages from Kanavi. Game 3 they are winning early game with Kanavi's gank. He is actually playing good with Wukong here. Sure Varus is not that ahead, but Guma is freakin' turbo gapped in CS here. Guma Keria is getting clapped becauss of the early gank. Zeus as well is down because of again Kanavi's gank. They even dove him under turret. T1 just played better in teamfights this game. T1 just have better setups and engages. So you can hardly blame anyone in this game. Are you really going to blame Ruler for getting caught by Faker? No, right? It's a mistake and Faker just did his thing. So I don't get the hate for Kanavi. You should blame Renekton for not doing anything despite being ahead except when T1 overchased or even Ruler here for his mistake while shopping and getting caught by Zeus. So why is Kanavi the only one getting shit on here? Game 4 Don't get me wrong this game is entirely on Kanavi making mistakes. But you can't blame him for losing the entire series that's some hard cope. Aside from the K'sante and some moments in the Renekton game, 369 barely have any presence on the map, same with Missing and Knight. They're not making any game breaking mistakes, but they're not doing anything either. It's just ridiculous to blame Kanavi for everything

[@martin8249]

Dom would blame anyone that he is not chinese ngl

[@fkZaka]

Fr Kanavi hard smurfed game 2. Biggest Difference is Kanavi was actively looking for plays and engages which led to those mistakes being made.. meanwhile Knight/369 a lot of the time would just be playing reactionary and not really looking for plays unlike the entire T1 team who were making incredible engages all series. Sure Kanavi ran it down game 4 but at least he was pro active, rest of JDG were lackluster af besides game 2.

[@sephiroth2195]

There is a narrative that needs to be upheld and Kanavi is the scapegoat

[@zachnelson3349]

It's not all on Kanavi by any means, he had good games, but he singlehandedly sold that last game lol. Watch that game starting from the point where he takes the portal into the enemy tower. He sprinted it.

[@johnkirk1772]

haha this series was actually the Kanavi show - he was JDGs best player throughout games 1-3, hence why they asked him to carry game 4..but yeah oner has Rell so Kanavi can't win smite fights plus his bot lane are actually first-timing double marksmen against the best double marksmen duo in the world whilst his top laner gets shit on and his mid has no presence If this was T1 Kanavi and JDG Oner the series would have ended just about the same if not a worse stomp, watch how well Oner paths without Faker and Keria bailing him out constantly, most of Oner's impact comes from Q smite, his engages and team synergy...oner made a LOT of mistakes man, all of T1 made a lot of mistakes and got caught but they bailed each other out better than JDG bailed out their problematic members

[@aaronbautista3396]

Funny how dom immediately started flaming kanavi as if guma didnt 2v1 ruler and 369 on the other side and won..

[@Verlisify]

This worlds really exposed the most players, including pros, overreact to patches. The nerf to AD Supports didn't look strong enough to completely remove them especially for a team like T1 that mastered it. Ban Rakan and you have nothing else to worry about.

[@Fearnot0428]

And jarvan if red side

[@SN1Reaction]

Dom is salty and super biased against T1 🤣. Watched enough Last Free Nation episodes to know that he spends like 90-95% of his talking points time about how his favorite team seriously underperformed or choked and never giving any credit to T1’s performance on the day; this is how haters tend to operate. This was consistent with Dom’s behavior even after T1 beat BLG 2-0, then LNG 3-0, and then T1 beat JDG 3-1. Now he’s coping super hard for a WBG win (when the team wasn’t really on his radar until T1 beat JDG) and still strongly believes JDG is the best team (debatable like Monte mentioned) without giving T1 much credit to their performance. Also, note that on the last episode of Last Free Nation (and even episodes before that), Dom seemingly refused to accept any of Monte’s positive points on T1’s strengths…including meta shifts and T1 versatility in drafts. Now Dom is coping real hard again that T1 won through meta shifts and drafts and not giving enough credit for their performance. Occasionally, Dom might sprinkle in some T1 praise on his streams when T1 seems like they are about to win the series to seem like he has some resemblance of balance, but those who have followed Dom’s past know that he’s just a biased T1 hater. That being said…for any fandom, there are extreme fans and anti-fans on each end of the bell curve and Dom definitely falls into the extreme anti-fan territory.

[@sou1116-l3p]

Yeah he's clearly a hater but tbh T1 and Faker have too many fans so it's refreshing hearing people like Dom be salty against t1

[@zym6687]

Get farmed, Dom doesnt hate T1, he hates the T1 psychos and trolls them by just constantly shitting on T1, it also plays to his LPL base. It's so great watching you freaks sperg out.

[@quasarlgq]

​@@sou1116-l3pI mean if you are a highschool teen sure, I used to like that too.

[@UrBoiN8]

Faker is ready to activate his last Korean sleeper agent TheShy in finals. Hail Hydra.

[@Pyxyty]

Lmfao absolutely called it 😂 this legit gave me a laughing fit for half a minute. Salute to the true Korean patriots 🤣

[@carlod5818]

"LS essentially runs a homelesshelter for pro players"- i love this podcast

[@ChannelMerz]

I agree Knight didn't play egregiously bad in this series, but it absolutely should be noted that his inability or unwillingness to play Azir creates quite a large draft gap in this series. You absolutely have to be able to pick Azir in most metas, and that is a huge disadvantage that he can't.

[@aoh4905]

Same with 333 being vad at rumble. Solo laneds being non existent made it impossible for kanavi to make plays.

[@monsieurdirte1714]

2015 SKT was 1 game from the golden road btw, how Monte missed this is crazy...

[@dukeofdawn4348]

He's talking about a team directly in contention for it, SKT was out of contention the moment they lost msi.

[@monsieurdirte1714]

@@dukeofdawn4348 Fair enough. They were technically closer to achieving it.

[@mrolajerson0601]

DOM always finding ways to blame korean players when Kanavi and Ruler was the only reason they were on that golden road. Knight and 369 choked all games 1,3 and 4 and the only thing he saw was Kanavi.

[@chrissears5482]

369 has been the only top laner all of worlds to get Rumble and be useless lol. Then he picks Aatrox after Zeus been gapping him with it and does absolutely nothing game 4

[@solymossyakos8526]

Agreed, 369 was mega useless almost the whole tournament.

[@TheGummie55]

It is what it is. Yet everyone knows lpl wouldn’t be shit without Lck players

[@RandyOvero]

I don't understand.. why do he hate korean so much? Like for what reason??

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

knight was the best player on jdg this series 369 was flaccid as fuck though ur right

[@nassimnassim9214]

Did monte really say Faker's Sylas wasnt good ? When he destroyed LNG with it? Did this goofball watch the game or?

[@ChillenSchlafen]

Sour translated in german means "sauer", which could either mean Sour or Angry. Perfect description for Dom

[@darryledxavier6392]

Where was the guy last week that was claiming it was nothing but a JDG win

[@MaticMermolja]

All that matters is who win Worlds. Doesn’t matter if you are domestically dominant in football if you don’t win Champions League. Doesnt’t matter if you are 70+ win regular season NBA team if you don’t win playoffs. Nobody is mad that World Cup is single elimination, either perform on the day or shut up. JDG was the best team, until it mattered the most. I’m sure they would trade all of their other titles this year for winning worlds.

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

When Sevilla win La Liga you bet it matters, this CL is the only thing that matters nonsense is made by people who don't understand how hard it is to win a league. CL quite literally has double elim until finals so your point is nil. You cannot cross compare the CL to other sports championships either because of its format.

[@belesir8847]

You say this but peoples constantly jerk off about "x player made 3 world finals" or "y player made semis 4 times!!!!" so clearly people care about worlds placement.

[@FalconHoofe]

​@@EpicVideoMaster11your comment is so shit lmao

[@potheadesens8725]

​​@@belesir8847thats for players who failed to win anything significant tho 😂 hence why you would list their greatest accomplishment instead of their actual number of titles

[@Vamparina413]

Yep we all remember Golden State Warriors 3-1 loss more than their regular season 😅

[@Sivzram]

DOM is being such a prick and a biased analyst, it's crazy The fact he is singling out the KOREAN players especially the JUNGLERS when the CHINESE LANERS themselves shat the bed I mean MISSING went missing truly in the game yet he would corner only likes of KANAVI, like MISSING was just like how GHOST apparently won with DAMWON and ironic part is GHOST a world champion lmao unlike MISSING Point is both the teams which DOM dislikes read the meta better than his more liked teams, yes you can argue about people not playing upto the mark but then again WORLDS is where LEGENDS are born and never die Like the GENG (SSG that is) of old won WORLDS more than the new one because they clutched it better in WORLDS than the current one even tho they were pretty abysmal in REGIONAL COMPETITION And mostly the teams which win WORLDS are not generally regional champions cause some teams can evolve better at WORLDS than others Pointing out and singling KOREAN players in LPL team just when the whole team don't evolve is ridiculous, DOM should analyze games as neutral POV rather than having his LPL biased glasses lol

[@years-gq6dy]

The narrative that the meta fell to T1's pocket is disingenuous. Pushing botlanes was not a thing until T1 brought it out. After LNG got smashed by T1, the other LPL teams started copying the strat. Before that, the botlane meta was just Scaling ADC + Engage Support.

[@SameSam94]

so shy can come back from a shitty start with rumble but there is no way to do that for 369? He got gapped even when he had the last pick, which he chose to go with renek. Whole jdg team is at fault, dont blame just one person.

[@skrattaoppar9753]

2016 SKT > 2023 JDG Are you guys seriously saying JDG's broken Golden Road of 2 Domestic and MSI is better than Spring, MSI, Worlds of SKT 2016, heck 2015 SKT is a better Golden Road than 2023 JDG.

[@fmagistel]

You don't understand, he can't count below 2018. In 2018 Theshy said "Let there be LPL dominance" and LPL is the best League in history, according to him.

[@mdsyabil]

did everyone missed game 1 where ruler took magical journey accidentally like kanavi did and the whole team had to fight that dragon teamfight weird

[@liborsysel2234]

U cant blame Ruler for anything lol U can only praise...

[@QIYICI]

I'm happy that t1 won because finally this Ruler dckriding gone.@@liborsysel2234

[@bobdole6768]

It looked troll but they were down like 4k gold and still almost won that fight

[@Snootz86]

I didn't miss it.. it even worked out fairly OK for JDG given how behind they were Kanavi mistakes though were when JDG had very good control/chance to win the game (in g4)

[@eltruco3598]

​@@bobdole6768how is it almost won when its a 2 for 5

[@chrissears5482]

I think the whole "Faker can only play 2 champs" narrative is kinda weak. Sure he has only played 3 all tournaments, but he's been unstoppable on Orianna and he won T1 the series on Azir, and has been the only player at worlds to win the match up with it vs Ori and done it 3 times. He's been spamming Akali and Yone in solo queue. I just don't know if there's a big reason for him to play anything else unless you force him to

[@welsense_]

You shouldn't listen to these three frauds 😂

[@wwekings9505]

U not wrong, there no need to play other champ when the enemy leaving open azir or ori, faker can easily play other champ if needed

[@lagarttemido]

People underestimate Faker way too much it is baffling.

[@hoonshin3027]

I think the meta has clear tier 1 champion pool, Oriana and Neeko, so there is no point in doing other shitty champions unless they are banned. Faker is doing well because he has answers to Oriana, so he has one free ban for other op champ. If the enemy ban azir and let t1 do jarvan or rumble, faker will bring other champion which I think is suicide.

[@Sivzram]

Faker and T1 read the meta better which DOM won't ever allude to Yes LPL as a overall region is better but they never really brute forced games like T1 did against their ASIAN COUNTERPARTS Literally he flames teams like WEIBO yet hypes the team like GENG and JDG who misread the meta completely Even JDG vs KT was kinda back and forth JDG

[@xKayNee]

Dom still flaming Kanavi even though he was the reason they got that far in the series.

[@imrulfarhanpritom6864]

2015 SKT was closer to the golden road. They won spring, won summer with 17-1 record, 1 game away from winning MSI and won worlds with a 15-1 record. 2015 SKT one game away from the golden road

[@sudsehun]

degen redditors have been discrediting that 2015 SKT run. cos apparently, MSI comes before worlds. so it doesn't count.

[@ixibenkenixi7451]

and they lost that msi title 3-2. litt the closest team to win golden road. Yet no one talks about it lol

[@SaraGon15]

2016 SKT too lost Summer split but is the only team to win MSI and Worlds in the same year.

[@arvintob]

@@ixibenkenixi7451 a EU LEC Reporter once told me it doesnt count since they 2015 SKT1 lost MSI so G2 was supposedly absolutely closest

[@tehAmbi]

​@@arvintobbut it is true LOL the point of golden road is about going to Worlds having won every tournaments before during the year. The moment you loose MSI its not the same

[@arvintob]

No discussion on Missing's performance? was practically non-existent aside from G2

[@welsense_]

Not just missing , 369 cant do anything to zeus the gap is so wide, kanavi made so many mistakes especially in g4 when he underestimated azir dmg when he walked to dr pit. Knight is okay but no impact throughout the series(he is supposedly the best mid laner right) ruler cant do anything and got 1v2 by guma and missing is just missing without rakan

[@wwekings9505]

@@welsense_u not wrong with kanavi, but at that point of the game, it was already over, faker was way too accelerated with 3 item(with death cap being one of them) plus 10 stack dark seal. Aatrox was a minion that fight too, knight went vegan build on ori, so no threat. Only was with a chance was ruler zeri, but he was behind guma by like 2-3 levels. So couldn’t do much

[@RandyOvero]

​​@@welsense_missing is literally missing lol and kanavi look lost.. knight is fukin choker as always and 369 champ pool is dog shiet and he couldn't even play rumble properly and i can't blame ruler when missing is literally missing and couldn't even play real support lol

[@miksalmina1012]

What? Missing was good as Senna actually

[@arvintob]

@@miksalmina1012and that was on Game 2

[@bexclue3007]

All four teams started playing ranged botlans bc they were all scrimming against SKT and getting shit on. It's not like all those teams were each in an isolated vacuum and just happen to all stumble across the same answers. It's not just some "random wacky meta shift that came out of nowhere". It's literally SKT's own read on the meta and how _they like to play_ on this patch. The meta shift wasn't gifted to them. They chose it.

[@ragedshamus]

Not true SKT didn’t scrim any of the LPL teams so they didn’t know what they have as pocket picks, all the LCK teams came out of their rest period to help SKT train for quarters and semis.

[@lonebanana6753]

they didn't need to. The LPL teams saw T1 draft picks against LNG and had a week to test it out, it's clear the way T1 was drafting really had an impact on all the other 3 teams@@ragedshamus

[@S1GNIFICANT]

@@lonebanana6753 I cant believe that had to be explained lmao.

[@SaraGon15]

@@ragedshamus they didnt in Quarters and Semis but they did in the swiss.

[@azhus9307]

You call them SKT in 2023 and also lying XD exactly why no one likes T1 fans they always come out of their caves during worlds and stuff to share their dogshit opinion while being clueless

[@davidyang5187]

One argument against JDG being the best team ever is how stable the meta has been for them. 369 in top carry meta is not very good. Kanavi in tank jg meta also not very good. Ruler in non-hyper carry meta is also not as good. They were allowed to play the same way all season until quarters worlds while other strong teams in different seasons had to adapt to multiple meta shifts

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

If they adapt with actual picks they can play through any meta also what team in contention can you not say that about.

[@potheadesens8725]

​@@EpicVideoMaster11you can give them 2 years 369 still wont be able to play rumble knight cant play azir ruler cant play cait/senna missing is missing without rakan

[@davidyang5187]

@@EpicVideoMaster11 Every team in history of league of legends? Just because pros can play any champ in soloq and carry, doesn't mean they can just pick up any champ and play it at the top level. I can't think of any player that they can claim that they are the best player on every meta

[@MarvKennt]

Say it with me, DOM IS A HAAATTEEERRRRR 😂

[@alexanderatanasov5837]

Dom is literally the same as T1 fanbois but anti-T1 and actually makes money from hating

[@voidox]

dom going to insane lengths to solely blame kanavi despite spending the year talking about how JDG are "so good that even if someone is playing bad, everyone else would step up and carry"... why didn't knight, ruler or 369 carry in game 4 if kanavi was playing bad? straight up, they also got outplayed. and if they were playing worse than usual, why not call that out like Dom loves doing with T1 and them choking in finals? why not call out JDG players for playing bad and arguably choking? just crazy how Dom is so salty and goes on mental gymnastics to defend JDG and blame only kanavi. They call out Kanavi for missclicking on the portal, what about when Ruler did that exact mistake and led to a team ace? or how in Game 4 Ruler did nothing despite being funneled so much gold and having a 2-0 early lead? where was the "best player in the world" there?

[@Millicente]

IWD is the epitome of that KZbin commenter that always highlights the one ridiculous, obviously troll comment and says “look this is what everyone is saying”

[@stone_pilot]

Nah man look through the comments. People be coping. “JDG isn’t the best team in the world because they lost their first best of 5 when it mattered most” Maybe we need to have a philosophical discussion about what constitutes “the best”. Some other crazy takes as well. I guess the point is that if it was just one it wouldn’t be so hate inducing

[@Millicente]

@@stone_pilot Idk about JDG being the best team in the world or not. The reality is that T1 beat them which means they're better during this tournament and for a season that's meant to culminate at worlds, you could say T1 is the best. But like you said, now we're just getting into different definitions of "the best" which unless 2 people agree on, it's pointless to argue any further. And I know fans are stupid, that's why they're called fans, short for fanatics. T1 has the largest fanbase, they're going to have more of the crazies than others just by virtue of probability. I don't hold IWD's hatred for those people against him, I hold his inability to separate those people from the rest of the fans and T1 in general against him.

[@dranzerkai6051]

​@@Millicenteand for me its the fact that he hates the players. It makes sense to hate the fans and org but why the players. Thry are grinding games either to win or make a living while he sits comfy talking smack to people he has never met

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

I'd say that JDG were the best team this year, but, by failing the Golden Road on Semifinals, they can no longer be considered one of the best teams of all time.

[@stone_pilot]

@@Millicente It might not be the majority opinion, but it does seem to be the majority opinion of those who are actually speaking. "Everyone is saying X" is an exaggeration, and I think it's better to precisely say, "A majority of people who are sharing their opinion state X" I think that it's strictly true. One of my co-workers had the audacity to tell me that Zeus gapped 369 in game 1, even though the 'gap' was the lack of preparation for top invade - is that 369's responsibility or Kanavis? Not such an easy question to answer. Even if we say that the responsibility is mutual, what we are saying is that the top 'gap' was a jungle ward gap. In other words, Zeus is the best top laner in the world because 369 didn't ward jungle? How does that prove Zeus's skill unless he mind controlled 369 into not doing it? We can't say that Zeus is better at vision control because he didn't ward either; It was all Oner. I didn't act angry when he told me that, so he didn't say it for the reaction. He is either shooting the shit or genuinely believes what he's saying, and I suspect it's the latter. I'm a C9 fan, and I was happy whether JDG or T1 won, but I was slightly rooting for T1. But now I sound like a JDG fan because the disrespect towards JDG is so crazy that it makes me mad on their behalf. I chose to reply to you in particular because you have the ability to understand nuance. A majority of other people on here wouldn't even be worth trying to have a discussion with.

[@vghsfan]

It’s so funny how fast analyst turn on teams as soon as they lose. Meat ridding all year

[@BlackDeathBlade]

The amount of copium on dom lol. It sounds like he cares way more about players that have more egregious plays instead of highlighting the players that were invisible the entire series. Kanavi may have been the guy that ultimately lost them the series, but it's not like the other players were that much better. 369 was basically getting gapped by Zeus in every game except game 2. Knight, while not making any game losing plays was the most unimpactful player in the series. You could argue that Kanavi was the only one that was trying to win the series while the others just played to not lose. Missing actually wasn't too bad but he got gapped by Keria's champ pool. Ruler this series showcased his primary shortcomings which Gumayusi eventually exploited when he did his famous 1v2 outplay. Ruler has always been the clean up ADC whose best trait is that his positioning in team fights makes him extremely hard to kill. Players with stronger mechanics than him can easily outplay him in the 1v1. That being said, Ruler's ADC fundamentals are amazing so to beat that, you have to know how to find positions to kill him which only very strong teams and players can exploit.

[@lonebanana6753]

You know it's funny because from the Chinese reaction of T1 vs JDG, at least the Chinese fans were defending Kanavi and asking where 369 and Knight were. Somehow less biased than Dom lol

[@belesir8847]

Wtf do you want Knight to do? He's playing Ori, there's only so much he can do. Of course the jungler is going for more plays, that's his job, but the decisions Kanavi made were just terrible.

[@jackthomas3483]

⁠Faker solo won almost every teamfight with Orianna in Game 1 and JDG refuses to give it while T1 gives knight Orianna every game.

[@jack90054]

​@@belesir8847 Right, the one champion with a 90+% pick/ban rate this worlds "can only do so much." Faker showcased in Game 1 of this very same series how impactful Ori can be. Knight just didn't show up.

[@fmagistel]

Everyone saying 2021 LCK math when in fact it's actually originally 2020 LPL math when LCK was ridiculed as a 1 team region

[@Tenz220]

What happened to the definitive best top laner 369? The best Mid Knight? The best ADC Ruler? Kanavi died 2 times and this all star squad can't recover?

[@allgames5556]

Fr they have the best everything kanavi having 1 bad game doesn't mean they should have lost

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

Ruler was the MVP from JDG, and Kanavi hard carried game 2, and had a really good game 3, even game 4, he at least tried to make plays. Knight was a doormat to Faker, 369 solidified his place for the Dade award, and Missing was... missing.

[@azhus9307]

​@@MrDespisedIcon Based on LCK fans 0iq logic in 2021 LPL is the better region even if they lose finals. And also T1 is consistently the best LCK team at worlds so idk why you're lying

[@quasarlgq]

​@@azhus9307LPL has Def been a better region this year, as a T1 one fan.

[@GSB44]

BRUH I knew hes gonna blame LPL junglers on that bracket when they lose those match 😂😂😂

[@dohyun3]

Nope all lpl fans blame their korean players when they lose but they can't win without them😂

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

Surprisingly, they're shitting on Knight and 369 this time. They actually respect Kanavi for games 2 and 3, and for actually trying to be proactive in game 4, even if it ended disastrously. Knight, on the other hand, is being called the Chinese Chovy, and they mean it as an insult.

[@arvintob]

@@fakerragingfanboy8420 did they shit on missing as well? he played worse than Knight, he wasnt as gapped as what Keria did to Missing

[@nirvash241]

@@dohyun3 curious how they blame BLG when they got 0-2 by T1?

[@nirvash241]

@@arvintob comments on missing is missing as a meme as usual lmao some of CN peeps did praise Kanavi and Ruler and shits on 369 and Knight but here you got this wanna be analyst who only blame Kanavi cause 369 can't play rumble, atrox

[@ohmygoddiosmio9138]

DOM tears are so delicious , thanks T1

[@firenge0073]

Knight got fisted and these guys are still talking about faker only playing 2 champs

[@sneakyp3869]

T1 single handedly changed the bot meta in the later stage of worlds which is insane.

[@ValkyrionX2]

I need some explanation here. I know for sure when the World Hit, there will be no more patch during the match, so what is suddenly change mid game?

[@julian.221B]

​The thing was that everyone were still playing the engage support style and were good in it. But in the scrims and in the stage, T1 started to use range supports agaisnt engage supports as a Counterpick. And every team see that and instantly understand who were the best supports for compo in that patch @@ValkyrionX2

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

Faker has and had some crazy achievements. He was like 20-0 on LeBlanc and undefeated vs LPL teams.

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

He is still insane on LB, he picked it like 16 times last year, even when she was kinda out of meta, and didn't lose a single game.

[@skrattaoppar9753]

It's a bit sad that the camera didn't hover to when Faker Solo Killed Knight. And am I the only one that thinks WBG vs BLG isn't a good series. Both teams are fighting who ints harder rather than play the better team. I can prove this cuz WBG luckily got Blue Side on game 1, BLG would be at finals if they got Blue on game 1. Non of them can play Red Side.

[@aileene-ez9gx]

that WBG vs BLG series was a clown fiesta fight. What made it fun to watch was TheShy's champ picks but both teams played like they don't really have a plan. Althought WBG coach can really draft under pressure and T1 should look out for that.

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

Dom is so salty he almost wants to cry from how hard monte is rubbing it in

[@rainorshine6998]

Someone can't read

[@matiusasoffisal3884]

get that gyno checked out

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

@@matiusasoffisal3884gyno? I have the smallest nipples 😂 this is how you know you’re emotional just like dom

[@LDixonFPS]

Lol bro deleted the comment

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

@@matiusasoffisal3884 never had it. thanks for your concern tho.

[@mylastaccount8328]

I fkin knew Dom would just blame the korean LOL but lets not talk about knight and 369 getting giga gappped ... OLOLOL but hey whatever.

[@Snootz86]

Why does the LOL fanbase no get that you can have a close series that isnt a 3-2? The first two games both teams stomped each other.. but game 3 and 4 either team could have won it.. but T1 (Faker) clutched up in game 3 and Kanavi fumbled game 4 for JDG when they had good position A great series by both teams

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

because both sides of the lol fanbase are annoying, people keep saying t1 fans are the worst but at the same time expectations are so high for them that the lpl fans will shit on them the hardest if they decide to lose. It's probably a by product of only having 2 good regions. Every other esport doesn't have it as bad as this, also the big content creators/"analyst" in other esports aren't as biased.

[@linkasfd4295]

yeah, both sides are cringe as hell. Dom saying LCK/T1 fans are annoying because X then he does the same shit because T1/LCK fans did it first?? Grow up and stop bitching if you're gonna do the same thing anyway.@@Daniel-ik6wi

[@johnkirk1772]

in what world was game 2 a stomp though? that's a 1.5k gold lead for JDG at 20' offset by 2 opposing drakes in a double marksmen bot match-up - that's a close fucking game until the fight at 20' game 1 is a stomp I will grant you because of what champs they play - rumble falls behind into aatrox, orianna gets ahead and a bard is running around the map with a lead - no-one is scared of a behind rumble, a single target jungler that will never outsmite Rell with an Alistar that will never get in range..only danger is legit akali.. but you can ff that game at herald min 9 game 3 is just a fistfight and so is game 4 - overall it was a super close serious..I was actually mad at zeus kill hunting game 4 with his flash cause I was scared of JDG mounting a come-back...T1 just won game 3 through faker and a game later u have Keria running it and laughing it off and Zeus BMing..then Oner talks in the interview he wants to play carry junglers in finals...like GUYS you barely won that series, you got faker to thank for a big part of that now you do ego plays again? really? remember what happened last time? nah that's forgotten I guess

[@dongolio]

G2 was the best team ever. 3 games away from winning it all...

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

@@dongolio the most embarrassing 3 games ever

[@drinkteaplease7111]

Dom simultaneously had the worst and best things happen in terms of league, China being the clear best region but his least favorite teams making it to finals lmao

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

How can a region be the best while not having the best team…

[@rafayet23]

​@@YAHOOISNOTG2021 worlds bro

[@jls22147]

​@YAHOOISNOTG Dom used LCK fan math. In 2021 edg won, but they insisted LCK was best region because they had 3 teams in semis even though EDG won, so Dom is just using the *exact* logic lck fans used.

[@drinkteaplease7111]

@@YAHOOISNOTG Every other LCK team got shit on by LPL, assuming T1 wins worlds they can be the best team while LPL still a better region overall

[@thestoebz]

@@drinkteaplease7111shit on? KT had really close games with JDG. Gen G imploded for sure, but that’s some issue with them. T1 was far and away on another level from the LPL. Overall it’s about the same. LCK stronger due to T1 with how big the gap was.

[@Celilai]

Even though every lead JDG had in all of the games was due to kanavi doing good plays and finding opportunites some are ready shit on him for copage

[@h011yw00d]

Never heard of this podcast, but it seems to be the only video talking about the finals matchup so far between T1 vs Weibo. I get Weibo hasn't been consistent all year but they have been doubted the entirety of worlds, every step of the way. Even when they faced BLG, people doubted and talked crap about their easy opponents throughout this worlds. But was BLG not a legit contender that people favored before their series? BLG knocked WBG out of the LPL playoffs last year to make worlds. BLG keeps on beating WBG but things changed. Even in this finals, T1 is heavily favored. I hope WBG smokes all their doubters (and all the wrong analysts who have doubted them the entire way)...the whole pack!

[@Cashcarfttv]

I am a T1 fan but I am also a fan of good league of legends gameplay by pro teams. But these jokers here are so anti T1 and this two espeically never lets go of a chance To diminish t1 achievements

[@fathertime7864]

The thing is, the people saying "t1 has been the best the whole year" don't actually believe that. They say that to get back on people that say "t1 doesn't stand a chance". Dom and a few others always does these exaggerations but can never accept the rebuttal. This is why Caedrel is the best.

[@blondymonk1535]

T1 has the highest ceiling. They are just inconsistent for periodes of time.

[@powerupyo]

lmao. that mentality is exactly why LPL will never produce a team with a record like T1. *Never.* LPL treats league like a fucking sprint. Just constantly teamfight. Just constantly make plays. So the teams promptly gets burned out when it matters. Not to mention that LPL seeding turns into a clown fiesta where #4 suddenly becomes #2 overnight. Remember suning? T1 is in it for the long haul. And it shows. How many times have silly little clowns like you say that T1 is all washed up and cry about how toxic T1 fans are? Only for T1 to make it all the way to finals? No matter how much you love to glaze LPL just like little dommy over there, the fact remains that there is no consistently standout LPL team. One day it's RNG. One day it's Top. It was JDG recently but oopsie! They're not! It's funny watching you kids try to cope with MSI results to try to invalidate Worlds results when it's fucking obvious that worlds is the bigger tournament and nobody really gives a shit about MSI.

[@iufanboy5970]

​@@blondymonk1535 i think they are the most consistent team ever tbh, they ve been together for 2 years and always reached the top (almost reached finals at msi 2023) falling short at the end.

[@blondymonk1535]

@@iufanboy5970 If you look at it like that, yeah maybe.

[@fathertime7864]

@@blondymonk1535 exactly and these streamers always say these exaggerated "t1 can never win vs jdg and geng". I had JDG winning worlds at the start as well but I didn't think t1 never stood a chance. They definitely can if their players starts using their brains and they did. Now we wait for the choke. Lmao

[@Zwijger]

Was Dgon with the pokemon comparison going for Ghost being good together with Normal type and good against Normal type? Ghost being weak to itself as a standalone fact doesn't really make it a good comparison to the J4/Orianna thing, as you need both a J4 and an Ori analogous type.

[@djjackson24]

Doms excuse for both LNG and now JDG are a shame. First LNG just ran it down and now JDG, who was the best team in the world, had a jungler paid off lol

[@hyunyoungcho8608]

Yeah sure Kanavi inted the last game but he also was the only one making plays around the map in other games while others werent doing much at all. 369 got gapped hard in champ pool, knight had terrible build with no impact on the game, ruler was ok, missing was missing

[@djjackson24]

@@hyunyoungcho8608 of course, he is the sole reason it was 3-0 as he got everyone going in game two. Guma 1v2 after that dragon take was impressive but Dom didn’t say a thing about how Ruler and 369 got smashed at that point, no it was kanavis’ fault lol. It can never be that T1 made plays with Dom lol

[@mukamuka0]

@@hyunyoungcho8608 Game 4, Kanavi is doom no matter what. Belveth has no chance against fed carry. He can't even get close let alone being threat to Faker and Guma. So, whatever he's do will look int as he's frontline who has to walk in and get poke to dead.

[@SaraGon15]

@@mukamuka0 man Fakers Azir was so fed that each poke was taking a huge chunk of Belveth is not even fair how Belveth tried to go for the dragon and died 3 steps away lol, yet his team left him die there many times.

[@Nangman-Tsu]

knight ghosted the whole series, he never went for big plays while faker constantly made differences. kanavi was desperate to make plays because he was the only one trying, and you can't criticize anyone for that

[@TheKrenko]

I dont understand the narrative about faker 3 pool champs. Not like is career isn't long and he hasnt played other champs before.

[@pique3124]

Exactly. He invented Riven mid, Master Yi mid and LeBlanc mid to name a few!

[@ZaddySeeBot]

I have reached a critical point where I am unable to stop buying and chewing the heads and bodies of trolli sour brite crawlers. The mind bending sour thrills have taken a stronghold of my purchasing habits (at least 50 bags at this point) That said, where can I buy the big bags?

[@theneuropathyguy]

Let's be real, Dom is a closet T1 fan he is excited for the t1 boys.

[@Crusina]

I want T1 to win just so DOM can Mald. Serves him right.

[@SlaneKnight]

Worlds is HUGE, its really important. So, to call JDG the best team in the world when they lost 3-1 doesnt sound right to me.

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

Of course it doesn't sound right. Dom is an idiot. The two teams just played and the better team won. That is how you know which team is better. But the guy still says JDG is better. I don't even need to make jokes about this guy. Just listen to him talk.

[@eFrog27]

And you would say DRX was the best team of 2022 I guess

[@Edday-c5e]

@@eFrog27 id say they were the best team at 2022 worlds, yeah. they beat geng t1 and reversed sweeped edg legit showed up when it mattered most

[@eltruco3598]

​@@eFrog27you can call a team the best team when they show up when it matters most, not when a team is good all year and when it matter the most they crumble. Thats not how it works

[@hoonshin3027]

I agree. Whats the point of winning every regular season matches when they end up losing in playoffs?

[@raoulmensink3893]

T1 doesn't lose to LPL at worlds, but then again they were supposed to lose.

[@mylastaccount8328]

Dom excuses are hilarious... This happens for every fight.. along with the bard stun over the wall on ori.. wasnt fakers q on cool down so he couldnt eq combo that? sooo ya.

[@ignvongola123]

The difference is that faker created his opportunities and knigth waited for them

[@fmagistel]

This is a very crucial difference

[@sudsehun]

not to be anall. its not that faker creates opportunities but that faker puts enemy under constant pressure and forces mistakes. LNG game 1, he did that to scout and tarzan where he forced them to go on him. JDG game 1, he didn't use his flash entire game, even the ruler kill he got botlane, ruler didn't flash cos he knew faker had flash. he just uses every resource he has to the maximum.

[@S1GNIFICANT]

@@sudsehun Watch voice comms. Faker literally called that Azir shuffle play before it happened. "I'm looking for angle"

[@dranzerkai6051]

​@@S1GNIFICANTeven Wolf, the LCK caster and Huni said Faker could see the future at times or rather create it. He would call out stuff like "I will split push top lane and in 2 minutes, they will 4 man gank me and I will die. Push bot hard when that happens" Faker may not have the same mechanics as some of the younger upcoming mids but his experience and foresight, shotcalling and decision making is insane

[@sudsehun]

@@S1GNIFICANT yes, i've already watched it. and i already said, its not that faker doesn't create opportunitites. like that play u mentioned, it was a 'do or die' situation play. usually in game, faker takes advantages, 'not by making plays' but by forcing enemies to make mistakes. and there's a subtle difference. u mentioned one play but look at most of the plays, they were all mistakes from enemies.

[@cubemine]

2015 SKT is still the closest any team has come to getting the golden road

[@tehAmbi]

No because they lost MSI they didnt have the pressure of going to Worlds on the golden road

[@anemosupremacy9386]

@@tehAmbi how is that relevant LMAO golden road or not, teams are pressured to win.

[@tehAmbi]

@@anemosupremacy9386 it changes everything thats the point of GOLDEN ROAD the moment you lost you are not on the golden road thats all

[@skrattaoppar9753]

​@@tehAmbiI mean the concept of Golden Road didn't exist back then since most internationals is slowly getting sacked. Tbh being 2nd at MSI and Winning Worlds is a feat at the time till SKT upped the achievement of winning MSI and Worlds in 2016, no one has yet able to replicate that feat.

[@fredthebasspro2256]

Monte's *criminally* brushed over joke about LS basically running a "homeless shelter for pro players" had me DEAD!!! 💀😝🤣💀a literal critical strike, I was instantly rendered incapacitated by crippling laughter. Highlight of the show for me - I can't believe how dirty they did you! shit deserved more shine forreal! pahahahahhah 👏

[@laurentmikasso7452]

IWillCopinate 369 played way worse than Kanavi. But yeah let’s blame Kanavi for « solo losing the golden road »

[@PeoplePleaser578]

369 was the only reason they won 1 game. Kanavi literally lost every objective, inted multiple games, forced plays that he didn't need to, got caught out over and over again in Game 4 and lost both Baron and Dragon off of it. Then walks into the Dragon pit with full vision of the enemy team and dies instantly because he has random braindead moments.

[@laurentmikasso7452]

@@PeoplePleaser578 absolutely not. Kanavi is the reason they won game 2. 369 benefited from TP failing to capitalize on his tp. Without Kanavi coming back solo from the level 1 shenanigans and helping Ruler and Missing survive that hell of a bot lane. This would’ve been a 3-0

[@cainlimbo9294]

That Belveth game was a horror show. Was 369 invisible in some games? Sure. But I'd rather that over my jungler making sure we can't ever cover objectives by randomly getting chunked or dying.

[@laurentmikasso7452]

369 did not win his lane or anything he just took no risk and gained from Zeus actually taking risk and failing to reaps rewards from them.

[@laurentmikasso7452]

@@cainlimbo9294 it’s one play out of a series. He sure played bad but in no way shape or form did he solo lose the series. Anyone supporting this argument is disingenuous.

[@kamallewis-gopie6956]

I am here for Dom's tears 😂😂. Love you guys but it has to be said that it's hilarious finals are TheShy vs T1, his worst nightmare

[@satominami6599]

for some unknown reasons, T1 makes all LpL best junglers looks so bad against them? (Tarzan is beyond bad tho), BLG Xun, LNG Tarzan, and JDG Kanavi who's known as best Jungler of 2023. is it because of Oner's pathing? Keria keep roaming or Faker's magical wards?

[@nirvash241]

its mostly pathing for sure... weiwei gap xun so hard because of it too

[@Nangman-Tsu]

i believe it's because of lane priority and lack of decisiveness. all the lanes are being pushed in most of the time against t1 and they are moving around the map while ur team are stuck in lane. also, as shown in the series of t1 vs jdg, knight didn't have the guts to go for game changing plays and played passively while faker was a gamechanger.

[@Nangman-Tsu]

kanavi was the only one going for those plays and suddenly everyone is(only western analysts, that is who can't see what the real problem is,) criticizing him harshly. most western analysts put 369 and knight as the biggest reason they lost.

[@fallada6233]

I would love to see a whole year without patches. I believe the meta development would be so interesting. Look at games like melee. No patch in 20 years and things are still changing.

[@romanleo2281]

y want lucian nami vs lulu zeri EVERY game again? cus thats what will happen i qauranty it

[@skrattaoppar9753]

​@@romanleo2281unless Riot released the most balanced patch ever. That matchup will happen over and over.

[@phileokert2389]

I agree, the meta would be really interesting in pro play. But Riot would never make no patches for pro play, while solo queue still gets patches.

[@fallada6233]

true. It would only make sense if both pro and public play do not get patched, and I agree, riot would never do that.@@phileokert2389

[@RandyOvero]

Bruh.. u kidding me?? 😅 so u prefer team to play the same shiet every series? And after u reach grand final u gonna know who will win by seeing who gonna pick which champion lol like literally MSI where T1 vs RNG where they literally pick Ahri and Lissandra back and forth and lissandra will win every game 😅 . Like.. are u new to league? Or u just don't understand the idea of patches 😅

[@xKayNee]

That will be very interesting, will T1 blind pick Aatrox as they always do, against someone like TheShy that has answers. If T1 does win with blind pick Aatrox, I can see how the rest of the series will go.

[@Joker-mo7xg]

It’s funny that Zeus had the answers for the Shy Aatrox instead and Giga clapped him on Yone & Gwen then went Aatrox for G3 lol well deserved MVP

[@xKayNee]

@@Joker-mo7xg 👍 Just as I hoped

[@carreragt000]

So all of sudden dom is underestimating Worlds? WTF?

[@2diko]

because he was suck in pro gamer career in his all life. he had never been in worlds so worlds should be sour grapes in his dick head

[@fmagistel]

People really bringing 2021 into this..sure LPL is the stronger region this year. That's very clear. But 2021 EDG at worlds has been sus all throughout that worlds. Every single Bo5 series they played seemed very close and not clean. Their gameplay the entire worlds was extremely messy. T1 on the other hand is cleanly dominating all bo3s and bo5s they are playing. Thats the big difference.

[@powerupyo]

I swear, dom's just as bad if not worse than locodoco says insane shit -> gets called out -> becomes toxic reality proves him wrong -> turns into a fountain of excuses and history revision -> promptly forgets reality and repeats the cycle almost immediately dom, just fucking grow up, kid

[@Y3llowshm3llow]

I'm unaware of the "insane shit" he says and how he "becomes toxic" could you please elaborate on this?

[@mdh0921]

​@@Y3llowshm3llow he blamed 369's inability to play rumble having to ban out rumble in the entire series onto the coach and lack of prep. Like how? The coach is not playing the rumble.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

@bnn2491 should've benched him like how the football coaches manage a team right?

[@mdh0921]

​​@bnn2491 he did. By wasting a ban for the entire series. So much for being one of the best tops in the world

[@powerupyo]

@@Y3llowshm3llow literally any comment about the LCK. keep up if you want to have a conversation.

[@hi-mw7pn]

Lol dom says he doesn't like when people discredit teams for not trying rather than credit a team for doing good... watch ANY of his watch parties with not even a Korean team, but even a single Korean player....

[@bexclue3007]

JDG were never as dominant as SSW at Worlds S14. JDG were never as dominant as S3 SKT or S5 SKT. JDG were never as unplayable as IG at S8 Worlds Knockouts or S9 MSI. JDG were never as unplayable as FPX at S9 Worlds. Even S10 DWG would be in this conversation over JDG. Dom said how we've never seen a team "who's played consistently as well as JDG". They were never that consistently good, though? When was their last 3-0? They consistently won every Bo5. Somehow. That doesn't mean they dominated or played consistently well. Just bc they had superhuman Ruler carry their sorry asses and somehow won every game 5 in messy/scrappy series doesn't mean they were the best team ever. What the hell. Luckily, no one will remember this narrative in a few years.

[@ixibenkenixi7451]

I would even pick g2 over JDG. that G2 team beat SKT to get to the worlds final

[@alexanderatanasov5837]

Sorry to tell you, but winning every Bo5 means you are playing consistently well. Maybe in your universe you have different definition for consistency. In OUR world, though...

[@bexclue3007]

@@alexanderatanasov5837 sure. you sound like the kinda guy who'd call it luck if someone wins a coin toss but then call it "skill" if someone wins a coin toss 5 times in a row because that's rather unlikely "so it can't possibly be chance". Building the whole narrative on: they somehow ended up winning every Bo5 in scrappy series is literally like building a house on shifting sand. _A single game_ goes the other way and the entire narrative crumbles. You're basically arguing out of those 15 or w/e games they won in those series they were always going to win those 100/100 times and there's no possible way they would have ever lost a single one of those games. Because if they could have lost even one of those games, the whole narrative is dead. The results are what they are. But it doesn't reflect on their performances (neither positively nor negatively - it simply doesn't have any substance). And based on performance, they could have easily lost one of those games. The fact that they didn't, doesn't change that.

[@bnprt-li1kb]

1. JDG lost because of a Draft Gap. I don't know if its because A. Missing and Ruler that can play range comp, or B. 369 and Knight can't literally play Rumble and Azir. The Velveth issue just came out because of those 2 reasons. A jungler that can carry and also engage squishy backline instead of shitty sololaners. And once you lean so much on one player, they collapse. 2. Meta change does not benifit any team as a whole. Maybe individual player with individual champion pool. And big champion pools are one aspect of greatness of pro players. You can also say JDG's players benefits from all the Meta of Spring, MSI, and Summer for favoring Value/Late Game 5v5 over Lane prio. Would they ever have won MSI if the patch was fixed to early spring? I can definitly say no.

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

knight can play azir lol wtf jdg not picking azir doesn’t mean knight can’t play it haha analysis of metas is correct tho, jdg r specifically weak on this metagame (their whole thing is losing lane and then winning the game, in the meta of the hyper dominant lanes)

[@nassimnassim9214]

​@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERSCan he play it into Orianna? Not sure

[@johnkirk1772]

@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS can he? 0 games Azir this year, 4 games last year (50% win rate) - last game played into DRX sylas at worlds, loss he sure as shit aint picking that Azir into Faker

[@bnprt-li1kb]

@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS If you want to say knight can pick Azir, then you can also say 369 can pick Rumble lol he literally picked it in semis😭😭😭

[@aioibin]

@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERShe’s played it a total of 4 times in the past 2 years bro

[@QIYICI]

Comparing DRX and WBG is disrespect for DRX. Zeka was much better than this Xiaohu and they beat GEN and DRX.The only good team WBG beat was BLG. And blue side has 100% WR. So, this WBG didn't prove anything.

[@aileene-ez9gx]

seriously I don't also get why they're comparing DRX '22 to WBG. DRX proven themselves by defeating GenG and the defending 2021 world champions EDG. If 2022 DRX roster is still here, they will definitely have another chance to win worlds as Akali/Sylas/Aatrox are the meta again. I believe the best players on that run was Zeka and Kingen. with a bit of Berly. Zeka smashed every mid laner with Akali. Deft was absolutely carried lol but I know his 10 yr long wait storyline gets more money than rookies winning. Now this WBG was here because of lucky draws, they looked unorganized with their fight vs BLG but we'll see. They have 2 world champs TheShy and Crisp after all, Crisp definitely plays better long range support champ than Missing. I hope Keria gonna cook some more, no more heartbreaks for T1 this finals

[@skrattaoppar9753]

They proved no one at WBG or BLG can play red side.

[@faker3033]

wbg didn't prove anything lmao what a stupid take😂😂 they were underdogs and won against blg, cope more 😂😂

[@skrattaoppar9753]

@@faker3033 if BLG got Blue Side at Game 1, they'll win the series.

[@faker3033]

@@skrattaoppar9753 sure 😂

[@iufanboy5970]

The loser bracket works only if the team who reaches the final form the winner bracket loses there is a rematch, because i wouldn t be fair for them to not have a 2nd chance while the other ones who lost got that 2nd chance

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

I've seen so many loser bracket teams win in other esports when clearly the winners of the upper bracket team is the "best" performing team, probably because they have to sit out 2-3 series without playing which led to them being rusty.

[@iufanboy5970]

​@@Daniel-ik6withis can be a reason too, but my point it s like why do we have to give teams a 2nd chance when the team who reaches finals from winner bracket can't? It s like discrimination against the team who is doing better

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

@@iufanboy5970 yea I know, it's been talked about in other esports, it has something to do with how long 1 series is. There are tournaments with a bracket reset in finals in other games that doesn't take as much time.

[@iufanboy5970]

@@Daniel-ik6wi yeah usually in fighting games is like that

[@xEmpress95]

@@iufanboy5970I think you make finals BO7 and give the leading finalists a free in. So the Lower bracket team needs to win 4 games while the upper bracket team needs to win 3. It would only one extra game max to the Worlds Finals and give a grace period for the upper finalists to adapt mid draft.

[@anthonyricher]

I wish worlds had double elim so there was more going on and the tournament could actually be about who's better and not just who's been better on the day.

[@chrissears5482]

I do like double elim, but it has its faults too. Especially the way LoL has done it in LCK/LPL Finals and MSI. It kinda screws over the Winners bracket winner. Everyone else gets 2 chances but them so they get punished for performing the best. They should either start with 1 game up in a Bo5, or the losers bracket winner has to reset the bracket and win 2 Bo5s in a row

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

ah yes because the finals of a double elim tournament is not about who's better on the day too

[@iufanboy5970]

Then 1st u would need a 3rd elim because maybe it s a bad day for a team in the loser bracket too, anyway the double elim works only if the team who reaches the final from the winner bracker loses get a 2nd chance re playing the final. Becuase it wouldn t be fair for them to not have a 2nd chance while other teams lost and got a chance

[@xeshurabeliard6025]

I will say this again. Double elimination is only great when you are on the losing side. Imagine you are facing the favorites to win it all before finals and you smashed them 3-0. You are the overall winner of the winner's bracket. Now you meet the favorites "again" In the finals that you already have beaten without any compensation whatsoever for beating them early on. A side selection is not enough as a compensation. Now the favorites beat you 3-2. They had a second chance but you did not. How is that fair? Unless they could solve this problem double elimination is just unfair. You could argue that maybe the favorites are just not playing at their peak, but you could argue the same when you lose to them at finals. So what, do we have another best of 5 to make it fair? The thing is you have to keep your optimal form no matter what. The team that is consistent is the best even if they are just above average. No matter how high your peak is if you don't show when it matters, your peak doesn't matter at all.

[@iufanboy5970]

@@xeshurabeliard6025 exactly this

[@SleepyFen]

I will say, I don't think the narrative that T1's opponents choked or inted is fair. It's all fun and games for the memes and lulz, but the people who are legitimately saying T1's road was a cake walk while Weibo's weren't didn't watch the games with their brains turned on.

[@trinhanvu6568]

I just rewatched last year pre-finals episode and Dom is such a fake LPL fans, how TF is he more passionate about DRX than about WBG.

[@Hunt__]

He is just T1 hater.

[@consoleviking7775]

Surely T1 can't fumble the second biggest layup they have received.

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

T1's main objective was to stop the Golden Road, which I consider the victory. Anything else is a bonus. I'm just coping in anticipation tbh

[@wwjccsd]

Would be interesting to see WBG ban azir, rell, neeko, leaving up aatrox, pick ori and then ksante/ornn and Ashe/kiting bot lane to counter armorpen aatrox and see if faker can play other champs

[@cheater3768]

well faker is most famous for being a one-trick and over all bad if he doesn't get azir, neeko or orianna. Who is that faker-guy anyway?

[@TheTdg97]

​@@cheater3768and leave j4 and rumble? Hahaha

[@asdfghj4163]

@@cheater3768idk he’s a fraud that can only play azir and orianna, never heard of this guy before the match against JDG. i feel like he could possibly be decent at leblanc though, just an assumption even if he’s a one trick

[@cheater3768]

@@asdfghj4163 true, now that you mention it. His few times failing azirs combos, it looked more like a leblanc combo input.. But man, Leblanc is pretty mechanically challenging.. Maybe Ahri he could do fine

[@cheater3768]

@@asdfghj4163 wow we were lucky! He was actually able to play more champions.

[@kylelynch2315]

both Ghost and Dragon are super effective into themselves

[@drkhrp]

tried to get a ticket for the finals. all are sold out lmao. still 5 days left

[@xeyaraz2669]

Would it kill dom to say Faker played really fuckin well this series?

[@fmagistel]

Yes, it would. Do not suggest that to him or you might be convicted of manslaughter.

[@codycarroll5866]

He literally spent like 5 minutes talking about how faker played well and made no mistakes this series except in game 2 which they lost but he doesn't count game 2 since it was such a lost game. Did you watch the episode or just shitpost???

[@xeyaraz2669]

@@codycarroll5866 Yeah and he spent 15 mins explaining how knight also had a good series and did not look worse than Faker.

[@Narth02]

I’m confused about Monte’s comment of Keria potentially not pulling out Bard in that Game 5 against DRX but 1. Keria has historically played Bard such as 2022 MSI and earlier at 2022 Worlds 2. Beryl didn’t even play well on Bard in that game Crisp’s Milio has also been good.

[@QIYICI]

this beryl's bard was joke almost missed all skilshots.

[@Nangman-Tsu]

that game just came down to smite fights and the fxckin AATROX

[@coolkieth696969]

thing is faker has only played 2 champs, BUT his Azir is so much more effective and potent than any other azir in the tournament. with the power of orianna that is enough if you just ban neeko, which they do.

[@allbies]

Three, he played Sylas but he didn't have to carry that game he just played decently. The thing is, why would Faker move from these champions if they're the best way for T1 to play. Not to mention these champions are very meta for everyone other mid in the tournament as well. If a team wants to change their ban strategy to test his champion pool because they think he can't play anything else, they should do that. I personally think he'll just play Syndra / Neeko / Viktor and do perfectly fine if Azir and Ori are both banned.

[@oreoyo5639]

@@allbiesXiaohu also isn’t good enough to overwhelm faker like Zeka last year even if faker isn’t performing well somehow in final.

[@fakerragingfanboy8420]

He played a pretty good Sylas game against LNG. He also has Neeko on the back pocket, and has been training Akali and Yone. Target banning Faker is a bad idea, especially when the rest of the team can have their pocket pics.

[@xKayNee]

Neeko Orianna Azir. He's so good on all of them, and it's very difficult to ban all those 3. There's no need for him to switch, but if Xiaohu does pick Azir, he will probably turn to Akali.

[@bingobongo496]

theshy has to save lpl from the brink of annihilation 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kevinjeon8824]

For me when looking at JDG I think they summed it up pretty accurately but didn't want to admit it fully. JDG players weren't bad and for most part they played well. What they were missing was playmaking. Out of the games, Ruler and Kanavi tried to make plays but the thing about making plays is that when it succeeds, you look amazing but when it fails, it looks like a stupid play. Think about it this way, at the end of game 3, what if Azir went in, got ulted or stunned and just died. It would be something similar to Kanavi did at game 4 and people would say that it was stupid move from Faker and he got caught out and say like "what was he doing?" "He threw the game!" Also with their comment on Knight, hitting skillshots is in a way expected. The problem is Knight didn't make any plays. In T1, you have Keria, Faker, Oner, Zeus and Guma all making plays. For JDG, Ruler, Kanavi and Missing were trying to make plays while 369 and Knight really not doing anything. In terms of standard by the book gameplay, I think JDG did better than T1 but T1 made plays with higher risk and managed to execute them well which got them the win. I think one of the Korean castor put it really nicely. "If you put all these pro teams in a match against regular people, they would all look like the perfect team. The better team is the one that causes their opponent to make mistakes while making less mistakes themselves." I don't think its coincidence that multiple times, JDG players accidentally took the gate. If you look at it, Keria always placed the gates right where the Honeyfruits are located so Keria was essentially causing a situation where the opposing players can accidentally click the gate and in the frantic engagement scenario a single miss click by couple pixels could result in a tide turning mistake.

[@johnny7925]

Stop coping. JDG got dumpstered

[@tonyherold8485]

Lol yall some t1 haters its not that jdg didnt show up t1 did plays that screwed them up and threw them off there game plain and simple

[@BearFruit90]

lol why bother reasoning with turds, right?

[@ArchAngelDublin]

Gotta love when Dom gets proven wrong

[@bellor123]

Not pinning all blame on the koreans on chinese superteams that fall short by lpl fanboys. CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE. Seem to heavily downplay how bad chinese players were and elevate the koreans everytime. 369 was utterlly dog shit and can't play rumble the strongest top in this meta making it look balanced, and knight the supposed star mid laner getting gapped by faker and loses the ori into azir matchup, while also being unable to play azir himself.

[@cyder_6406]

Im convinced Dom is just a racist at this point. Bluds not even Chinese yet he defends all acts by Chinese players and blames Korean players more than me or my Chinese friends ever would

[@brees113]

He is . Look into his past with piglet . Whatever that guy did to piss him off in their playing days made dom hate Koreans ever since he doesn’t hide it well .

[@codycarroll5866]

Rates Chovy and Ruler top2 players before worlds... suddenly becomes racist because he makes one tweet about Kanavi throwing game 4.

[@kaizrr6339]

@@codycarroll5866 One tweet? he has a history with Korean teams and Korea players

[@noahpotratz6756]

another thing to look at was Legacy in MTG in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Players at the time would pick decks based off the "season" because the format would rotate between what beats the previous meta with having 3 major play styles.

[@firenge0073]

Dom’s tears sound delicious, dude built his entire persona around hating T1 😂

[@azhus9307]

Yeah dom hasnt been in the scene since forever ur actually so right