T10 PA DD Yueyang - Battleships Bane

[@Flamuu]

The PA line is certainly strong, there can be no doubt about that, but in terms of originality it feels incredibly lacking. T6 feels like an Anshan, T8 like a Benson, T9 like a Fletcher and now this T10 just like a Gearing. I have hard time getting hyped for playing these ships when half of them feel like ships I've been playing for months or years.

[@mammothmk3355]

Tbh when the first time the Pan Asian line were introduced, not a lot of people interested about them. Hell there're quite alot of people angry about the announment ( Why a whole line of copycat when there's more revelent nation like Italy to come into the game). The only thing that interest people about this line is the Deep Water Torp. ( Which imo is..... exactly what IJN torp once have been) :)

[@LutyDuty]

That's it - I would have prefered a classic naval nation as well. But as WG pointed out in their latest "developer diary" they just wanted to introduce ships which are familiar to the asian players: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2rafKqdmpqIq6c . On the one hand I can understand that they want to give those players something they can identify with - on the other hand I wonder if PA smoke mechanics and deep water torps can justify a tech tree which consists on copies of already known ships.

[@dmitris.479]

Man handle that keyboard Flamu cmon NO MISTAKES!!!! SUPER UNICUM PLAYS!!!!

[@andreasmuller4666]

Seeing as nearly all of those ships are bought/gifted/taken from major naval power nations there could never really be another option for them being anything but copy - paste hulls. That they actually tried to give them somewhat different playstyle is imho a good thing (not to sucesfull but well they do taste somewhat different). And if we try to compare WoWS with WoT (and the time the 2 games are running respectively) i´m more then sure we will see A LOT more of the "big" navy nations in the future. (i mean come on french BB leaks are allready all over the web like a Kurfürst torped by a Shimakaze). And last but not least, Flamu the ship class of the Yueyang is the direct predecessor of the Gearing class ... so no wonder it feels very similar ... well when they made the Gearing the just took this class and made the hull a couple of meters longer.

[@skyeangelofdeath7363]

Thats why ever since I started looking at them in the ""soon"" tech tree; I've been most interested in the T4 & T7. And after seeing your vids on those I believe I was correct; they seem the most unique. I doubt I'll work this line past T7; since I still need to finish the US line [at Benson now] and my resources are not unlimited.

[@BrassSpyglass]

Deep-water torps don't pass under islands, FYI

[@kevinhunter7581]

BrassSpyglass what about icebergs on islands of ice? =P

[@lars9805]

I'll keep that in mind

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Kevin Hunter knowing that 9/10 of iceberg is underwater, very doubtful 😁

[@zumkzwxwq]

Meanwhile shimakaze is getting outspotted from left, right, and center.

[@lars9805]

zumkzwxwq your spotting range is a circle so that makes sense

[@shinano2133]

9:50 2+2=4 -1 is

[@humorpalanta]

Same. I did the quck math too. :D

[@tiaandeswardt7741]

3 quick maffs

[@linusherr8257]

I got this joke from 9gag... :(

[@isaacyoung4601]

For those interested, the Yue Yang is stated to to be an Allen M Sumner class destroyer. By lengthening the ship by something around 14 meters and several other changes they created the Gearing class destroyer.

[@yaseen157]

Alright then, so give Pan asian DD torps a 4 second reaction time to torpedoes, but IJN's stealthiest torps in the world can stay at 10+ second reaction time, because there's nothing wrong with that -___-

[@ringowunderlich2241]

Now in know why they are called "Deep-Water-Torpedos". They are so heavy, they put the hull of the vessel deeper into the water. It makes all sense now, I think.

[@frankdantuono2594]

The reason its close to a Gearing is because it started life out as the USS English, an Allen M Summers class destroyer. The Summer's class improved all the minor shortcomings of the Fletcher class and was then lengthened amidships by 14ft (larger fuel stores to extent range) and became the Gearing class. Since there is no fuel or range in WOWS, you'd expect them to be twins of sorts.

[@nicazer]

My first game ever in my Bismark I was all hyped up and forgot about my hyrdo and took a full line of dw torps from a yueyang... that is a teaching experience

[@stormer3970]

Flamu, Always find your information very helpful in many areas.

[@Eric-nk4ft]

The yue yang is an Allen m summer class dd .The summer class dds are essentially a fletcher hull with 3 twin turrets and a different superstructure that is why it shows less hull than the gearing

[@greykira-j5f]

Flamu 2K17 "carriers tend to be more initmate with how their glue bottle tastes than how to actually control their fighters" XD XD XD XD XD XD XD this was a burn, said so nonchalantly, thanks Flamu, dont change! XD

[@NoCokeOnlyIce]

Jingles meme

[@crossfirerambo]

WG Pan Asian: "we are same same, but different, but still same!"

[@Magnux96]

What's the point in Shimakaze anymore?..

[@sigmaprime4307]

Magnux96 20km torps and torping your own team

[@Stosek7]

There isn't. Shima is obsolete.

[@isaacdoggart4879]

Massive walls of fairly fast torpedoes with ridiculous amounts of damage per torp.

[@Magnux96]

Doesn't mean much when they are spotted from the moon. It's funny, O2 torps were among the stealthiest IRL, yet are the worst in game.

[@MrRobinhq]

Not saying they (Shima torps) are better than US or Z52 torps, but speed is an advantage in many situations, because it significantly reduces the spacial window you have for evading them, even if they are spotted sooner and you have more time (especially if your target runs hydro or spotter plane, then the faster torps are always more likely to hit). The IJN DDs indubitably need a (torp) buff though...

[@RBEniac]

13:35 epic comment and disturbingly right on point. they know how their glue bottle tastes. EPIC!

[@flife4839]

Why the hell did I went for japanese dd line ?? :P

[@Managarmr420]

We're all feeling this I have a shimakaze. I'm ditching the line once the pan asians come out. Gonna play my Harekaze, thats about it. The Pan Asians are actually good torpedobotes.

[@jacobtanjinghong]

Went for the Japanese DDs for the Kancolle memes

[@flife4839]

GG

[@kaymurakami3320]

There's no reason to even bother with IJN anymore... Shenyang is a Minekaze with Russian railgun shells and superior torpedo detection stats, while keeping the stealth and speed, all one tier lower. It just feels like a giant middle finger to one of the oldest lines in the game.

[@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245]

Cause Ya Didn't Know That The Us Gave Pan-Asia An Allen M. Sumner Class Destroyer... That's Why...

[@Haku1610_Arts]

Gearing is E X T R A T H I C C

[@mariodrv]

So IJN DDs are even more shit now?

[@TheJuan72]

that is exactly what I'm thinking now I should have gone down the panasian dd" s instead of wasting time on the IJN dd's.

[@TunergiArchoz]

@@PriestessOfSlaanesh and what do you think of the fun factor of panasian dd's compared to the shima line?

[@CrowsRevenge1]

@@TunergiArchoz this review isn't as valid anymore. The gun and smoke reload nerfs really hurt this boat. You have a full second worse reload than the gearing and 30 seconds between its shorter smokes to make up for the radar. The line at tier 10 just feels like a really sluggish gearing now. now.

[@QiuyuanChenRyan916]

I done some research on their actual history then I found out Pan Asia has deep draft torp, that stands out quite well and because of it detection is very hard for cruiser and bb.

[@Gro3n]

So T10 gunboat is stealthier than the Shima? gg WG

[@robo2729]

Gro3n not anymore since shima buff!

[@Fabunility]

@9:50 Only true if you don't take the duration timer for the smoke generator into account. The last puff of smoke for the PA-line only disappears 100 seconds after you activated yourconsumable as it appears 30 seconds after you activated it and then in turn disappears after another 70 seconds which results in a total of 100 seconds of potential smoke time. If you take that into account you get the following numbers: For Pan Asia: 30 seconds of consumable duration + 70 seconds of smoke duration = 100 seconds of total potential smoke time/consumable For the Gearing: 30 seconds of consumable duration + 130 seconds of smoke duration = 160 seconds of total potential smoke time/consumable So without superintendent the pan asia DDs get a total of 500 seconds of potential smoke time whereas the Gearing "only" gets a total of 480 seconds (not to mention you get the same smoke at tier 2 which is hilarious) Only with Superintendent does the Gearings total smoke time actually surpass the pan asias (640 seconds vs 600 seconds) For smoking up team mates you can make the argument that the Gearing smoke is superior since you don't have to "babysit" your teammates and just set&forget it, but outside of that I would take the flexibility that the PA-smoke brings any day of the week over the Gearing smoke, especially in randoms.

[@bullreeves1109]

Overall pretty balanced DD. Though I fear this will make BBs ALOT More Passive making life a lot harder for Cruiser. And these torps are marking IJn DDs basically Point less

[@daemonhunter100]

The Allen M. Sumner-class, the predecessor to the Gearing, is fairly similar but slightly shorter by 4.3 meters. Armament wise though, they're the same.

[@antlerman7644]

I quit wows because i grinded up to shimakaze, for they style i played to be fucked over by nurfs and new better ship lines, im only coming back if they buff them to be competitive again

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Toby Baker similar story here. Just got Shima, couple weeks later it's torps were nerfed...

[@trandung824]

me too

[@TheTossFTW]

Goodbye, you wont be missed

[@yoyosup4292]

You can come back now they buffed shima - best t10 concealment - shima competetive - see you on the seas

[@brdyyt6702]

Japanese DD's are still very competitive. If you can't play competitively in them, then you should play another game.

[@epicnoob8635]

Whenever anyone compares two ships and says that they are similar in ability, put them both in the same division and you get a killer team.

[@bro26mohw]

Ah a good ol’ sumner class. Absolute love these things.

[@Vexoo28]

The T10 looks interesting but i still can't decide which line should I go for. US or PA? Not being able to torp other dds is a big disadvantege, but with all the others specs I like PA more.

[@DubyaD04]

That difference is the developers fault. The Gearing actually sits that deep in the water. The picture link is of the Gearing and you can see how it actually sits in the water. This is something that WG has done for a large number of ships. They do not take into account how a ship's draft is when it is fully loaded (fuel, ammunition, ship stores, potable water, and supplies required for a deployment.). It looks like this ship is going to replace the Shima. Pan-Asian line is going to make the IJN line almost obsolete in my opinion. Gearing link: www.navsource.org/archives/05/pix2/0571029.jpg

[@atheistchaplain2991]

just buff IJN torps and then you don´t need to create this line

[@doodledibob]

But then you couldn't milk the whales for XP/money...

[@Roddy229X]

Lulz. They Won't

[@vectorsignorelli]

Flamu does quick mafs

[@SarahReinhartLWW]

Yueyang is an Allen M. Sumner class destroyer, of which the Gearing class was based on.

[@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245]

Yet Allen M. Sumner's are clearly the superior Destroyer class!

[@berzec]

Just learned Yueyang is an Allen M. Sumner class, basically the smaller version of Gearing

[@TK-fk4po]

Do you think torp acceleration is a good idea on the Gearing? Or is AR more useful?

[@christianjohnson9190]

Wait!!! Could the hydroacustic search spot the deep water torpedoes longer or shorter than the regular torpedoes?

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

Do spotter planes spott deep water torps? Because that Kurfurst plane flew right over youre torps and he didnt react?

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

The Pan Asian line is just sold Russian and US ships thrown into one tree with gimmicks and deepwater torps strapped on. I can't see why Asian players would be appealed , atleast I'm not. Meanwhile the Asian DD tree that actually has some originality (IJN) is being suffocated to death.

[@Gundolf300]

4,5 sec reaction time. Well, I guess we are gonna see an increase in the amount of players going bb-sniping, as it wasn't painfully high as it is.

[@BCristian16]

well it sits lower in water because is not a gearing-class destroyer is Allen M.Summer which is a smaller gearing

[@theorangecactus2177]

What i’m getting is to run smoke/radar module?

[@carlospitteri3146]

When I see anything about PA DD it all looks like a massive power creep for other dds, they have the usn guns for ginboating and the pre moo spotting torps the Japanese had that everyone complained about.

[@kevinhunter7581]

Better guns, better CE, and "better" torps (detection range is better but can't torp dds) than the shimakaze. I'm already upset the gearing has the same CE as shima, now there's this. >__

[@christianjohnson9190]

Could the deep water torpedoes get spotted by hydro longer or shorter than the regular torpedoes

[@mattmac4087]

I'm pretty sure hydro doesn't give a shit, will spot every sneaky fish within range.

[@ErinGnarkill]

Is there something wrong with the yueyangs model? I devestated one in a Missouri yesterday with a 15k volley at about 8km

[@michabanasiak2073]

nope you can do it with Fearing with easy as well ...

[@wesley_b]

Where do you find a game where you push into the C cap uncontested? lol

[@christophermeyer7883]

How do you get the torp reload time above gun reload time?

[@TheTossFTW]

More passive gameplay, more camping BBs. YAY!!!!!!!

[@piotrturkowski3690]

Isn't this still a [WiP]? I know if can be considered final but I think you shoul still put at least the sticker on.

[@relhimp]

When CV spots me on defenseless DD, I've usually sticking to nearest cruiser. Yet, it's also hard to find cruiser nowadays, preferably not dead at second minute of the game.

[@mattmac4087]

You can also run to the nearest friendly BB and hope the CV dude will pick him as an easier target... oh wait, nearest BBs are sniping from 25km away, forget it.

[@nishithasapukotanage2952]

Is the Grozovoi better than the Yueyang?

[@TheJuan72]

can the deep water torps be detected by spotting planes or enemy cv planes ?

[@Naesil89]

Yes, but the planes have to be almost directly above them so they are harder to spot with planes.

[@TheJuan72]

THX

[@pinie111]

What is up with that torp spread 0.o

[@valrond]

You can't complain about MM in tier 10, man. You're always top tier, no better ships than yours.

[@Nighthunter6666]

Can't agree on what you say about the radar usefulness. Didn't play the ships, but in randoms you tend to have a lot of encounters where you are 1v1 against an enemy DD, or the teams are not in a good position to do much about you. So that 7.5 km radar combined with better concealment than any T10 DD is damn powerful. Especially since most players pop smoke the second they get into too much trouble or get spotted, so they screw themselves up when you have radar ready. It's like the RPF which you claimed "useless" and "not worth the points" and yet it's fucking mandatory for almost all DDs...

[@Harv72b]

RPF *is* a wasted skill in Random play. Think about it...you're burning 4 commander points to tell you something which you _should_ already know in most scenarios; there are only so many places an enemy DD could be based on game time and/or where it was last spotted. If you're talking about spoiling a cap try, then again--you should have a pretty decent idea of where that DD is capping from based on prior sightings or the simple fact that 99% of DD players try to cap in the same spots. So you can burn 4 points on a crutch used to substitute for simple map awareness, or you can pick up 4 points' worth of lower skills which are incredibly useful on a constant basis (BFT, DE, SI, JoaT (extremely useful when combined with PA smoke), etc). As far as the radar goes, it might be highly useful in very specific scenarios like you mentioned...for 20 seconds. Once every few games. Or, you can go with PA hyper-smoke which covers you for the better part of 2 minutes, 5-6 times per game, and allows you to deal damage to *any* spotted ship for the duration...let alone the times it saves your ship when you need to beat a hasty retreat.

[@avgjoegaming8271]

Which ships have deep water torps?

[@HashiriyaR32]

Is this just a name change from "Hsiang Yang" to "Yue Yang" or are there any visual differences between the Brush and Haynsworth accounted for?

[@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245]

Hey Its One Of My Class Of Ships... Its An Allen M. Sumner Class Destroyer!

[@sinceRENEss]

Spotting range is depending on height of the ship, right? So Yueyang has better concealment because it sits deeper in the water. But what makes Gearing so high? The radar tower, while you can not use a radar on a Gearing in game... How is AP against yueyyang in comparison with Gearing? Gearing is so fat it takes alot of dmg from it.

[@haza4565]

Overall do you think it is a better Gearing?

[@GerdhY1]

where is 100% flooding?

[@rohannavalkar112]

Flamu can you make a vid about which mod you use or atlest reply and tell me please

[@microgfx2766]

What is that white curved line?

[@frankvc5899]

MicroGFX I think you are talking about the RPF thing Is a captain the skill that shows the direction of the closest enemy Is great for hunter DD and cruisers but you can use it to do predictive torps much easier In return the enemy cap has a message that says “located”

[@la_potat6065]

Please everyone... Stop saying that these Deep Water torps will make the game passive... WG - destroyed whats left of IJN DDs with their torps... Yet - German battleship players - snipe from maximum range... Then - British battleship players - snipe from 24km away with HE - setting double or triple fires per salvo... Now - we have Deep Water torps. It wouldn't change a single thing... Its the Battleship Players themselves that are passive...

[@MrDgwphotos]

The funny thing is, the Gearing is actually a long hull Allen M Sumner. For the purposes of the game, there is no difference.

[@hardkur]

ok got it not having defensive aa is big disadvantage

[@stevewonder10]

Which ship has the longest torp range?

[@Naesil89]

Well shima can slot 20km torps but those are shit, longest effective torps are Gearing 16.5km torpedoes

[@47vincent53]

German BB are joke at this version when meeting the new ships like British BB and new deepwater torps and new AP bombs, they almost rush and die super fast at Random battle lol.

[@samjames2388]

y would u not put torp acceleration on these torps this would make the torps 10.5km 73 knots range but they will be unavoidable so play smarter and hit everytime ur dd builds are amature gives about 4 second reaction time

[@samjames2388]

n ur gearing build should run the same captin skill as it make it a better torp boat with 13.5km torps and quicker torps with less reacting time for the player reciving the torps when do u eva fire torps from 16km unless your a complete fucking nob

[@Flamuu]

Giving up 2 captain points and 20% range for 0.5s less reaction time is a terrible trade. I go over this at 6:18 in the commentary, which you would know, if you had actually watched it before giving your fantastic advice.

[@samjames2388]

i did watch it but all im saying is if u r going for a torp build that 0.5 of a second can be the differance to hitting torps and not and on gearing not massive differance agree but on pan asia with 0.8 already is a massive differance it makes the torps very hard to dodge even for experianced players there for more consistant torps i dont no any good dd players that would sit 15km away from ships to torp and u wouldnt eather so i have got a point thanks

[@samjames2388]

gearing having 13.5km instead of 15 or whteva it is is not a bad trade for a torp build. n 10.5km instead of 13.5km on pan asia is not bad eather for a torp build. after all torps are a dds bread n butter n by the time most people see n react to torps u already gain about a second from that so makes even bigger differance

[@samjames2388]

oh and on pan asia dds with 0.8d that then give the player 3.6 seconds to react n whts crusers will avoid the apart from if u already know there comming let alone a bb

[@abgarciax1]

Radar on a DD FTW !!

[@BayushiTawa]

About the T10: So the deeep water torps at this tier are a trade off torps vs Gearings (no DDs but harder on BBs) Which I am not specailly fond off (as it might introduce a BB threat difficult to balance due to its specificity not being a general in game mechanic) but which does seem to be somehow balanced... Mounted on what should be a pre-Gearing design, iirc, but with overall better maneuverability, speed, range, concealment, and smaller profile... for a mere 900 hp cost... Bull shit The whole pan-asia DD line is nothing but bullshit in which WG has invested tons of development effort for the whole fucking deepwater torp mecanic which they even had to dumbify down for the potatoes at the end of development... Nothing but copy paste unappealing hulls or straight out OP monsters (tier 4 and 7) bringing a new mechanic to counter BB overpopulation but enclosed in a very specific, and expensive to develop, pill. This line is not what the game needs, a widespread BB deterrent specially meant to punish the BBabies, usually useless coward isolated snipping BBs, overpopulation, in other words CVs... All the effort they put into this crap would have been better suited in speeding up the "2017 year of the CV" promise... PD: The only redeeming feature I see on the deep water torps, is that I hope they spread out and are not a Pan asia only feature, but are give as an option to IJN DDs too...

[@宋教仁-b4i]

RIP Yueyang :(

[@Dt0x75]

This was the class DD my father served on during WW2... It is the only reason im grinding this horrid tech tree...lol

[@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245]

Your Father Served On An Allen M. Sumner Class Destroyer? Which One Was It?

[@Dt0x75]

@@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245 Cooper

[@yah5o]

Just 341k silver for 184K DMG...this thing is not exactly a good credit maker, is it?

[@cmdrgodwin]

Because the majority of damage he caused was to battleships. Doing a lot of damage does not necessarily mean good rewards, and since this thing will pretty much exclusively target BBs (Unless it's Div'd with radar) so the reward returns on this ship really low. If he hit a few cruisers with torps or fought a few DDs in this game, that credit reward would be much higher due to how it's the percentage of HP that matters and not the overall damage numbers.

[@egilsaerman8769]

But hey now, i like glue

[@michaelkoerner4578]

It plays like a gearing because it's a sumner. Literally a gearing put onto a fletcher.

[@u.s.s.laffeydd-7245]

...

[@RollingThunder911]

Hahahaha well what was the only good thing about the Shima? Torping BBs right? Well i think we have a DD that can land torps more reliable than the Shima and also outguns the Shima. Hahahaha gooooooood balancing DA

[@MissMan666]

Looking forward to counter the pan asian's with my german DD

[@VulcanXIV]

Smoke isn't even half as useful as it used to be before the DD smoke mechanics change. Smoke in general is now used for personal engagements, meaning that Yeuyang has the advantage. It's correct that it's unfortunate that the yeuyang can't use defensive AA, but if it did it would literally be a 100% upgrade compared to the Gearing. Although it's still at least a 75% upgrade as it stands already.. and man is it hard to appreciate your dd line when you run rpf. I guess SOMEONE has to run it, though. Personally I try to max my brawl capability, but I can still respect the intelligence war aspect

[@andrew3870ify]

detatability 0.001km torp. what about this? this will be future of british dd

[@Stock1897]

the chat at 8:15 lol

[@tramachi7027]

12:53 DITA

[@АнтонМоисеенко-х7д]

Copypaste ships, give them different camo and flag, add one gimmick - boom, you have COMPLETELY NEW line. Cheers WG.

[@ErinGnarkill]

Антон Моисеенко maybe... but it’s historically accurate the US sold fletchers and gearings to China

[@thelvadam2884]

Bradley Nugent Yeah they builded a Ton of them

[@АнтонМоисеенко-х7д]

I'm not complaining about historical accurateness or whatever. My point is that WG is slacks a lot. Recent IJN premium BB's are a clear proof of this. They use already existing ships and just charge money for them. And in case of PA line, they just released same USN destroyers with shitty torps.

[@onlinegamerth2609]

Sumner class......

[@thomas.02]

Gearing + Yueyang + Z-52 division....

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

every dd is a battleships bane.

[@Skiesaremine]

POI

[@sarpkaplan4449]

IOP

[@kevinma4571]

well...

[@trandung824]

i realize there is no reason to play IJN DD any more. i'm quit

[@la_potat6065]

lel - biggest fuck you IJN DDs have seen in a long time... Which is the better Torpedo boat... Shimakaze - Shuriken Speed torps, decent range (excluding 20km torps), meh guns (that are usable) - torps can be seen from the moon (16-20 seconds worth of reaction time)(contrary to history considering the Japanese made the stealthiest oxygen torps of ww2)... Yueyang - Ninja Torps (4.5 seconds of reaction time) - above average torp speed - retains gearing firepower - slightly better concealment by 200m and can't use torps on dds...

[@ziyaoma9400]

Flamu can do math :O

[@MrFunguspower]

He actually did quick mafs. Guess he's not hot.

[@un1c0rn23]

This ship looks like a partially submerged Gearing, it is disturbing smh

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

uwe mett Because it literally is the Gearing's brother , an Allen M. Sumner class destroyer. The chinese bought the ship and all they really did was changing the name.

[@Ennergyiezs]

No thanks, not wasting my time on this one when i have the Gearing.

[@n.n3753]

"Not the best matchmaking" he then plays a T10. Are you a joking?

[@mig4821]

I would rather play the Fletcher in a tier 10 then the Gearing...its low turns poorly..only thing u get is long torps. And these deep water torps cant kill a DD no thank you.

[@mariodrv]

Shimakaze needs Kagero concealment.

[@sweatynerd4206]

F

[@jordanrea2311]

Flamu please the gearing a is a pile of shit ONLY due to the fact that it takes AP like a Z-52 and dies so fast Fletcher is the best DD in the game

[@sarpkaplan4449]

finally a bb remover

[@valrond]

This will not remove BBs from the game, they will make it even more passive than before

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Sarp Kaplan there was a true BB remover. It was called an Shima. Then salty BBabies cried so much it's torps were nerfed to crap. Now it is a target bot for all not IJN DDs, and not much it can do to defend itself.

[@sarpkaplan4449]

AKUJIVALDO it is not useful as a bb remover now and that is my point

[@davidleister6050]

who the fuck plays DD with def fire CD?

[@thelvadam2884]

David Leister ....why shouldnt

[@Juggy00]

Nearly every high tier or pro player