Tacticon Ultra Lightweight Special Rifle Threat Multi-Curve Armor Plates

We take the Tacticon lightweight special rifle threat (SRT) multi curve armor plates out to the range to see what they will, and won't, stop 🇺🇸
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[@RickSanchez167]

M855 is about the same price as ball ammo... dont buy a plate that wont stop the most prevelant rifle round in America folks

[@slopothacrop]

Name one mass shooting where M855 was used.

[@KimballPrecision]

@@slopothacrop hard body armor isn’t for mass shootings, maybe if you’re a cop. You wear body armor to the mall? I know I don’t. Body armor is for more serious use, like tyranny or ww3 type events…

[@InfernoPhilM]

I bought some on accident bc it was cheaper than regular.

[@stuartdodson6630]

@@slopothacrop You brought up mass shootings.

[@stuartdodson6630]

@@KimballPrecision It certainly is for going into mass shootings. Specifically, deliberately going into a lethal engagement. Not happenstance on the the street with zero time to react. Kit up. Full battle rattle. Regardless, be ready.

[@coldsteelcollector808]

Tacticon is no joke! Owner of the company is a super stand up guy too very down to earth and loves the 2A community for sure

[@Anait-vs3jm]

Looks they are otherwise why would the offering Chinese tourniquets on their website?

[@cmptrgk16]

Globalization and the world we live in.

[@Fragnar13]

Don't get me wrong, they seem like cool dudes but... they sell a lot of chinese shit. He says he would never sell something he wouldn't use himself, but they sell TQs that fail. Bro if a TQ breaks during application thats lights out💀

[@5jjt]

​@Fragnar13 Where did you get your information from? Trex? He sells Chinese products too. Tacticon performed a demonstration in their most recent video on their TQs and they won't fail.

[@CallsignWulf]

@@Anait-vs3jm Go learn where basically all your medical shit is sourced from. OEM and ODM are two very different things.

[@Latrinecleaner]

I love tacticon, I use a lot of their products!

[@gb6080]

Hey Mrgunsngear any chance you could do a video on what your “Red Dawn” loadout would be just for fun? I know a lot of us would be interested to see what you walk out of your house with knowing both that you might now be coming back and what you would run given the abundance of guns n gear you have lol thanks man!

[@ZachBillings]

Ugh. Yeah 855 is just too common. I can’t get behind (no pun intended) a plate that doesn’t stop both 193 and 855.

[@clamum9648]

That price actually isn't too bad IMO, I was expecting a bit more I guess. Maybe I'll consider upgrading from my current plates. Current ones are III+ from Tactical Scorpion Gear (recommended on this channel before haha) and they're nice but man I like the light weight. For people not familiar with armor they might not think it's that heavy but my first set was AR500 plates; I don't think they were 8 lbs but at least 6.5 lbs I think. Holy wow were those heavy, and I didn't even have much experience wearing them. Sold those and got the TSG ones and they're far better. Weight is huge with plates.

[@Downhaven]

You're so right, I have the classic 8lbs rma plates and they're a killer.

[@ripcurlreadiness8777]

For 2.9lbs that is pretty impressive! The next question is the price. (400ea ) there are some great level 4 plates out there that will stop 855 and 30/06 AP and weigh in at 6 lbs and even 5 lbs and cost $150 ea & 250 ea ( 200 on sale ) each are over .6” but under 1”. If this plate could stop m855, m193 ( out a 20”barrel) and 30-06/308 AP rounds at 2.9 to 3lbs at 400$ ea or less then that would be a heck of a plate and deal and I would get a set. Great video as always 👍🏽🙂

[@joshleonard7163]

What level 4 plates are you referring to that weigh 5lbs for that price? Are they multi-curved?

[@warrenharrison9490]

Their sale discounts these.

[@DinoNucci]

​@@warrenharrison9490they're

[@warrenharrison9490]

@@DinoNucci auto corrected again 😐

[@Kycirion]

I like Botach lvl 4 plates. About $150 each and not toooo heavy.

[@Steelcity77]

Tacticon is a great company with great customer service. I have some Tacticon gear and have had zero issues.👍🏻🇺🇸💪🏻

[@richarddangles69]

I had an issue w their cheap laser/light combo and they got me taken care of right away

[@Latrinecleaner]

Same here

[@Steelcity77]

@@Latrinecleaner 🇺🇸💪🏻

[@richarddangles69]

@@Latrinecleaner they definitely do their best to be a stand up veteran owned business 🇺🇸

[@crosspointholsters1636]

@@richarddangles69their products come from wish

[@LiveFreeOrDie76]

Really impressed. I am in the middle of moving family out of Washington State, sold the house last year when I saw the writing on the wall and we have been renting. With the new gun laws, and the law that allows them to kidnap your kids if you don't let them transition was enough for us. We are out! So when we find a place and move to NH think ill put in an order. Thanks man, love the videos.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

NH... thinking the resistance will hold in new "england" is a big IF

[@LiveFreeOrDie76]

@@FamiliarAnomaly thanks for the reply Kevin. Where in your opinion would be a safer bet? I was only on the east coast for 5 years and we were stuck in NY due to work. I would love feedback!

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

@@LiveFreeOrDie76 i would stay in the west, go to the rockies

[@LiveFreeOrDie76]

@@FamiliarAnomaly ​ Thank you

[@LiveFreeOrDie76]

​@@DMF716 Thank you!

[@PSNGamer]

I really wonder about longevity of non-steel armor. Like what is the shelf life on one of these?

[@KimballPrecision]

That’s been discussed an infinite amount of times. UHMWPE plates have probably the shortest life, due to being damaged by UV and heat. Ceramic and Kevlar/aramid will last a long time, way longer than the 5 year shelf life. There’s tests of Cold War and Vietnam plates being tested that are damaged(strike faces cracked/layers delaminating) and they still preform above their rating. And those were with older materials. Newer manufacturing and new materials are superior to the older ones in every way. But good plates and don’t abuse them and you’ll be good for years. The main plates I have are RBR tactical lvl4 icw plates that were made in 2004. I have no doubts in their quality. Look up the torque and tap test for rifle armor. It’s used in the military to tell if Esapi plates are in good shape.

[@NoNo_IStay]

💩

[@dads2006gt]

I have some Tacticon gear in transit as I type this. Reading all the positive comments has assured me my choice to go with them was a good one. Great review, as always.

[@juanitoarmas736]

Love your videos man! Former Army vet as well, and I appreciate and like your straightforward but not completely dry approach to presentation of information. Thanks much!

[@joshleonard7163]

What's the lightest multi-curved plate you have tested that also stops M855?

[@ChristianGrest]

I absolutely love armor testing! Recently had an opportunity to do some of my own…learned a lot actually. I’m with you, back injuries and can’t handle the load like I once could. Ounces equal pounds as they say. Awesome review Mike!

[@TheInfantry98]

Sup grandpa

[@LupusMechanicus]

I played college football, camo queens are hilarious, your back isn't hurt you are just an order following tax leach.

[@warrenharrison9490]

After discount code 35% off it's 272 each plate.

[@DBCooper81]

GD i miss cheap Russian zoo animal ammo.

[@Rileysworld727]

I see a lot of confusion about why you would buy this plate. All UHMWPE plates from every company on the market can be defeated by M855, you sacrifice protection for weight. This is why Ceramic plates dominate the military and law enforcement market.

[@chrisross1657]

I would love to see if that plate can stop an M855 round when the plate is new. They also make the SRT+ plate that is rated for it and it comes in at 4 lbs per plate. ✌

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great results. Thanks a bundle.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Half the AR owners I know, have m855 stockpiles. I would be stupid to believe they are the only ones doing it. So, any plate I own, has to stop m855.

[@deezTX]

there are some youtubes who used same polythylene home made, that stopped russian rounds and very light but only as a SHTF and you got nothing else.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

If I stock up and wanna use M855 for SHTF type scenario, should I zero specifically for that round? Or out of a 14.5" be about the same?

[@EVLfreak666]

I always zero my rifles at the range for the ammo I stockpile.

[@warrenharrison9490]

Zero to the ammo you will use the most. Even at that, different brands can have completely different group sizes and point of aim point of impact shift.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

@@warrenharrison9490 yeah I know.... I'll look it up just wondering the velocity difference between M193 & M855

[@warrenharrison9490]

@@ThePatriotParadox there's been enough velocity difference in batches from same maker year to year. The newer stuff is coming in weaker than stuff from 3-4 years ago.

[@Krater84]

It would be interesting to see if it stops M855 with a level IIIA Kevlar behind it. I tested another UHMWPE plate - without Kevlar M855 went clean through, but the Kevlar stopped it.

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

Which plate UHMWPE plate did you test?

[@Krater84]

@@Struggle-Snuggle Sportsman’s Guide Italian plates.

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

Lol I actually have a pair of those. Did you film your test? Also, I got a tip for ya, those Italian plates actually fit in the Grey Ghost Gear Minimalist plate carrier. The corners are open so they can stick through, perfect fit. My plan is to buy one lightweight III or III+ plate and use that for the front plate, and one of the Italian plates for my rear plate.

[@peteravisov623]

Made in Commiefornia? Dosen't stop m855.? Might as well get LAPG lvl4 plates.

[@Critical-Defense]

Thanks for pointing out they are made in Commiefornia, I almost made a huge mistake a bought them 😅 Last week I ordered two Bug-A-Salt 3.0 for me and my dad to have a little fun this summer and was so disappointed when I noticed they shipped from CA and were made by Commies. I wish there was an alternative.

[@uoislame]

at this point, maybe we should stop worrying about threats from civilians =)

[@EVLfreak666]

Just out of curiosity, what ammo do fed bois use in their AR15's ?

[@KimballPrecision]

Probably m855a1 or mk262/77gr smk. For the m855a1 I’d recommend a esapi rev G if you can find them. They are decent in terms of weight/price/thickness. You just have the know where to find them(tacswap/gunbroker/eBay sometimes)

[@MrRolloBaggins]

Fbi runs 64gr soft points I'm pretty sure

[@NoNo_IStay]

​​@@KimballPrecision or 64 gr bonded tip.

[@NoNo_IStay]

Military uses the stuff Bryce mentioned The bois use 64 gr bonded load. Or at least used to recently.

[@KimballPrecision]

@@NoNo_IStay with how many civilians and even the shooters starting to wear armor it wouldn’t surprise me if they were carrying m855a1.

[@laynelg8762]

that shot with the m855 wasn't fare you should have shot it in the corner.

[@BigLewFPV]

I would love to see you do a comparison between all the armors that you have shot and what would be your armor of choice

[@Anait-vs3jm]

No 308 shot? 🤔

[@Americanstruggle]

So this is a garbage plate. Got it

[@georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330]

How tf is it garbage. Did exactly as advertised. You daft bruh?

[@joshjosh7029]

I still preach that hesco l210s is way better that anything tacticon can put out, hell even the LAPG lv4 either the single or multi curve are better. But my lv4+ guard dogs are just a beautiful set too behold would like too see them in a video.

[@KimballPrecision]

Guard dog shit is heavy af and is it even US made? I see nowhere on their site if the armor they sell is made in the US.

[@joshjosh7029]

@Bryce Kimball i believe they are made in the carolinas, but with a nice plate carrier i run a agilite k19 3.0 you wouldnt feel the weight as much,i wouldnt trust a tacticon as a company neither my life. Its sometimes better too save up a bit and buy the gear you deserve.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

I kinda like to shoot M193 but stock up/maybe zero for M855

[@thomastournedouet7190]

🤗Hello, of all the ballistic plates you have tested so far, which do you think is the most resistant to penetration and deformation. 🤔 Cordially😉

[@oathtaker2768]

Don’t text them it a scam

[@georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330]

These are dope. Tacticon has some really good products and they make plates in house which keeps them lower on cost.

[@johnjay1147]

Quality name.

[@IsaiahChapter53isAboutJesus]

Sir, the angels not even dared to bring judgemental speaking against the devil because that belongs to the Father. Having Jesus's life or not determines where you go.

[@donniejoy4469]

I want my plates to stop at least .308, too many people in my area with an old .308 bolt action in the closet to not be prepared for that. Know of multiple people that have had their hunting rifles stolen out of their vehicle/house

[@JCich]

science!

[@stuartdodson6630]

420$??? Per plate??? Made in America. I get it. Super light. I get it. But it’s not level 4. Nor certified. They’re gonna fail in the market on this one. Jmo.

[@adamgallegos94]

For a 2lb plate, that is a pretty amazing performance. You wanna stop m855+rounds buy the next level up. This is a lightweight rig I personally go with the 3+ steel with a thick coat for those m855 rounds but 1 plate weighs more than 2 of these light weight plates.

[@rustyshackleford935]

I’d be willing to bet that if used in conjunction with Kevlar backing it will stop m855

[@Croak1]

Picked up some of the SRT+ (M855 rated) a month or so when they were doing a 60% off sale. Really like them so far. Used the to replace some LAPG L3 plates, cut the weight in half, should protect almost as well. They claim the SRT+ will stop a .308 M80, but with more deformation than you'd want. :)

[@KimballPrecision]

Which is a bad thing. That’s the same thing a hesco l210 does, except it will stop m855 as well as 7.62x39 ap.

[@Croak1]

@@KimballPrecision Not really expecting to see a lot of steel core commie ammo in my AO but there's millions of rounds of m855 out there. Also, SRT+ is around a pound or more lighter per plate, is multi-curve, cost me about the same with the sale, and really, if it'll stop 20" M855, it'll probably stop slower, heavier garbage blaster penetrator ammo too.

[@demonslayer9551]

I bought the same SRT+ on a 50% off. I think it’s a good deal. I went for the mobility over extra ballistic protection. Multicurve, 4.5lbs, and rated for most common ammo. I’m getting older and saving my knees and back are my main priority as I get older. I do more functional training nowadays than traditional gym bro splits at the gym. It’s all about being able to move in all this battle rattle.

[@demonslayer9551]

@@Croak1 the SRT+ with a good trauma pad is also a good combo too…it can technically stop a 308 but with more deformation. So throw the trauma pad and deaden some of that blow.

[@contractor556]

Waiting on damn KZbin ads 🫠

[@arktactical6112]

As someone with a back injury as well, the lighter the better. Too bad this won't stop M855. I went with Tactical scorpion PE extreme. So I'm around 13-15 lbs with my plate carrier. For the range I have PE plates that weigh 3lbs so I'm at 9-12lbs when larping.

[@easbreid9879]

Dont message the guy that responded to your msg, its most likely a scam.

[@KimballPrecision]

@@easbreid9879 it isn’t most likely, it just is. If someone falls for that dumb shit, they might deserve it…lol

[@easbreid9879]

@@KimballPrecision 😅🤣 yep

[@flyoverkid55]

Each of us that has an interest or need for body armor will have to make a decision based upon personal factors. As for myself and family, I want as much protection as I can get, and with level IV ceramic plates running under $200 each, I'm willing to accept the weight.

[@madebyamerica81]

Wait, you’re back? I swear these fuckers unsubscribed me. Been wondering where you’ve been good to see you Mike.

[@Soravia]

Plz test ultra light 4 lb plates from Hudis Tactical. $200 price range

[@262fire3]

Sorry, but if I am putting close to 1k in plates, I would want it to stop green tip . That round is cheap and plentiful.

[@levarsamuels5451]

the assumption that most have tula .223 🤣 was hilarious, but very realistic. everybody likes cheap ammo at the end of the day. .

[@kennethstaszak9990]

Screwed up on the 9mm placement. It hit top center, not .45. Both 45s were bottom right corner.

[@gforce0311]

After being shot multiple times by other rounds it gets busted up. How about shooting it fresh with xm855 to see if it stops it?

[@sha6mm]

I would like to know like everyone who watches what to buy like who;s the lightest who’s the vest buy ect.

[@easbreid9879]

Can you please shoot the armor w one of your full autos? Or multiple full autos. Just for shits and giggles

[@jaredmatthews9403]

Is CA really America though?

[@AlexNV75]

If y’all like body armor videos and tests I have a playlist that I’ve put together 👍🏼

[@ewoklife4131]

I’d be interested if it would stop green tip with a piece of cevlar behind it.

[@LupusMechanicus]

Wow so its equivalent to 30 year old crusty gooey italian uhmpe stored in a 150 degree shipping container for 10 years. Yaawn

[@Steven-gv1ke]

Now you need to try Underwood 9MM LUGER +P 68GR. XTREME DEFENDER SOLID MONOLITHIC and Underwood 9MM LUGER +P+ 90GR. XTREME DEFENDER SOLID MONOLITHIC. I suspect since they are more of a solid round like the M855 they have a better chance of penetrating. Also use a PCC with a 7" or longer barrel please with those rounds.

[@KimballPrecision]

Pistol rounds will not go throw armor that is rated stop rifle rounds…solid or not. M855 goes through Polyethylene because the steel penetrator doesn’t deform like the copper and lead.

[@IzzyTheEditor]

Awesome!

[@theepicmole4164]

Are you able to do a review on the new beretta apx a1 compact?

[@samgiancana420]

Wondering if you have a video/review on the Tacticon Armament battlelid ballistic helmet. I can't seem to find anyone with any real information or review other than a short clip here and there. Or maybe anyone in the comments who may have had any experience with the quality of these helmets. Thanks.

[@Mrgunsngear]

I don't

[@user-le9th2iq1q]

Awesome video brother!

[@bryanduchane2371]

Should have shot the M855 at a different spot on the plate.

[@RickSanchez167]

Wouldnt matter, Polyethylene doesnt stop it

[@nosteponsnakey]

Is this NIJ certified?

[@KimballPrecision]

Could you do a test shooting steel armor at different angles? I have a feeling that the spall coating would not do anything when the plate was hit at a non-perfect 90 degree angle. Maybe try different angles with different plates and calibers? I think someone is more likely to be hit at a slight or even pretty decent angle than dead on, which would make all of the bullet go in one direction without exploding and dissipating all of its energy, if you know what I mean.

[@RTTGunsGear]

Pretty sure Tacticon doesn't offer anything American made. They're a shady shady very crooked company to start with, so I wouldn't put it past them to lie about it. And that M193 probably would have turned your insides into pudding. You can get far better armor that's only 1/2lb heavier from a better company for less.

[@peterreily1490]

Tacti-CON Name says it all. Emphasis on “CON”. My boss had many problems with them. Highly suggest staying away. No ill feelings to Mike here, mad love for mrgunsngear! Tacti-CON paid him for a review and press release. Can’t fault Mike for this California CON company being total trash.

[@peterreily1490]

Also their company isn’t “tactiCON armament” it’s concealed carrier llc Weird, right? Almost like the 59 names for the same Turkish shotgun so once you know one’s trash, they go to the other name. Speculation? No, facts.

[@KimballPrecision]

@@peterreily1490 I think tacticon is concealed carrier’s sister company. I heard that in one of their holster videos. Tacticon is supposed to be their more duty/tactical stuff. With that being said, it’s odd how they argued with me about steel armor being junk, and of course they sell steel armor.

[@midnight4540]

Very nice thank and take care.

[@jamesd4013]

wow. 2.5lbs WOW

[@FLMLaboratory]

2nd

[@navseal345]

🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲

[@hunterrick4]

1st

[@juanpepe1987]

Is this level 3 + ?

[@gigachad6496]

This is technically. It’s like a light weight lvl3+ but m855 passes through it.

[@stephenedwards5063]

To my knowledge this company is known for selling fake/low quality plates. I’ve never used or purchase from tac but that’s the way they supposedly got their foot into the door by selling marked up Chinese mass produce plates. Hearing this from multiple guys makes me very hesitant to buy their product. RMA sales a similar cheaper product that’s actually a little lighter minus the multi curve. RMA haves a great reputation so if you have a lower budget they might be the better choice. I’d stay away from their products unless buffman tested it

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

Yeah don't believe your own eyes, go ahead and comment that on a video that proves your wrong.

[@stephenedwards5063]

Reading is fundamental.

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

@@stephenedwards5063 using you eyeballs is fundamental too

[@stuartlunsford7556]

That's actually not too thick for uhdpe, I wonder how it would work in front of or behind steel.

[@francism9782]

The ar 15 is the most prevalent rifle in America and m855 is one of the most common rounds for it. It makes no sense to pay extra for a special plate that fails this lvl of protection...

[@JenkemWizard]

It does what it’s advertised to do… if you can’t read I’m sure there’s a place you can still learn.

[@francism9782]

@PocketCoke my point still stands. If you cannot grasp the infantile concept of getting the most of something (in this case protection) for your money, then that's on you. 😉

[@JenkemWizard]

@@francism9782 then buy a plate rated for m855 if that’s what you want… it’s designed to be extremely light, not to stop m855… stop being illiterate and read the product descriptions.

[@francism9782]

​@@JenkemWizardlol...the operative word in SRT is the "R" as in "rifle". If you're looking for "rifle" protection, then buying a plate that fails at stopping common rounds like m855 is a waste of money. You know what a "rifle" is, right? Kinda important for this conversation. 😂

[@JenkemWizard]

@@francism9782 I know how to read which apparently you don’t. You really keep avoiding the fact that the manufacturer explicitly states it won’t stop m855. Almost as if you’re too ignorant to understand.

[@PartTimeJedi]

$400 a plate YEESH

[@warrenharrison9490]

They discount.

[@yagopone7404]

I just want a plate that will stop 193 and 855, while still being considered "lightweight." Unfortunately, it looks like we'll still need to wait!

[@wongkeebs4327]

Would it have stopped m855 on a less damaged plate? Imo for SHTF you need to be able to stop m193, m855, and 9mm as the most common American rounds.

[@Krater84]

Most likely not

[@frisc0strangler207]

Wait a min… these plates cost $400 each??? I’m super uninterested, a hard plate should stop 855 imo as well

[@peterwehrmeyer925]

$400 and fails....nogo

[@sincityvogel]

Im not a fan of the results. To much deformation.

[@NoNo_IStay]

Check out the site. Specifically the weapon lights.

[@KimballPrecision]

@@NoNo_IStay lmao, bunch of Chinesium shit…

[@strangleholdoutdoors]

Get a job 😅

[@benburnett8109]

IF Mr Gunsngear TRULY believed in this product, he would wear it and have a friend shoot 10 rds of 556 at him, 10rds of 308 and 10 rds of 50 cal at a range of 10yds. We can all see that he just "kinda' believes that this stuff might work. Mr GreenGun did not fully test this product therefore this video is completely invalid LOL. Let the hate begin

[@MidnightSvn]

I think 855 penetrated because he shot it literally right into the previous 5.56 hole

[@KimballPrecision]

Most UHMWPE armor will not stop m855, this is no different. If it was able to stop it, their website would list it as a defeated threat.

[@searchBLOC941]

Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene. UHMWPE. For those who were curious.

[@KimballPrecision]

He said exactly those words in the beginning…

[@searchBLOC941]

@@KimballPrecision I musta missed it while I was typing 🤣

[@paulguycaspermanzanares9404]

Could it stop 338 magnum, 416 Barrett, 500 nitro

[@sax5055]

PAUL..that made me chuckle. I’m a ballistics nerd🤓. I couldn’t find the M.E. on the 416 Barrett, but I found the bullet weight of 452 gr and velocity of 3,005…so that worked out to a mere 9,065 Ft. Lbs. ME 🙄😂. I’d love to see if steel plates could move an entire body backwards Hollywood style. Ouch, that’s a lot of energy! For wannabe nerds, to figure out the Muzzle Energy in Foot Pounds, use: (velocity x velocity) x bullet weight in grains / by the constant 450,240 = Ft. Lbs. ME…so (3,005 x 3,005) x 452 / 450,240 = 9,065 Easy peazy For comparison, standard Speer 9mm Gold Dot ranges from 317-374 Ft Lbs ME (their +P is 410).