Tactics Ogre One Vision Weapon Class Tier List

[@CoffeePotato]

Honorable Mentions I forgot to mention: Parrying Dagger (S Tier) Shield Fists (C Tier) Monkey Swords (D Tier)

[@TitaniumBuckets]

I absolutely love the fighting cudgels, even if they're not the most optimal weapon to use. There's just something about whacking your way through enemies as a terror knight holding a blunt object that appeals to me

[@CoffeePotato]

Everyone dreams of going full Negan, I suppose? Or Neegan? I don't know, crazy spiky bat guy that showed up before I stopped caring about that show.

[@TitaniumBuckets]

Yeah, something like that. Just pure junkyard demolition in a battlefield

[@viniciusbenettigennari]

When you talked about 1-Handed Katanas, I was reminded of one of my favourite builds: Katana and Shield Hoplites. They can tank damage, remove TP, and then put the enemies to sleep. Pretty good frontliners.

[@CoffeePotato]

They are the epitome of weaponized boring, and that's fantastic.

[@lua-yq8ux]

I haven't tried two handed katanas at all. I am a complete noob at this game/mod so it's been fun (sometimes frustrating) trying to figure out what works! Thanks for the video!

[@CoffeePotato]

Of course! Experimentation is part of the fun, those Ah Ha moments are really sweet.

[@lua-yq8ux]

Thanks to the video I've started using the 2h sidegrades for terror knight denam - good damage plus mitigating the accuracy drop with fearful impact.

[@lua-yq8ux]

I am kind of bad at the game LMAO so I have two healers - one with a spellbook + shield and another one who bonks things with the staff. Somehow it's working out

[@CoffeePotato]

Scary Damage Guaranteed! Works really solidly with Lament and Heavy Spears too!

[@lua-yq8ux]

@@CoffeePotato I just got lament of the dead, will definitely utilize that!

[@chaosakazero]

Can we get a tier list of all your tier lists?

[@CoffeePotato]

F tier can't take up the entire list! 🤣

[@AnActualDinosaur]

I think that the silence effect on daggers is kinda pointless cause if I can reach a caster with a dagger-wielder... They're already dead. And I completely agree with the sidegrade 2h katanas being S tier, I often get multiple kills at once with draw out.

[@CoffeePotato]

It depends, there's moments when you need to over stretch a unit, and silencing to put them off for later can be useful. The AI likes to prioritize it.

[@RatedB1]

Axes are always my favorite across SRPGs, my main character is always a berserker

[@CoffeePotato]

You'd like Fell Seal, then 👍

[@joshjulrich]

Unrelated to this, but are you playing the new ogre battle-esque game Symphony of War? Honestly really fun and exciting to have a new game in that style!

[@CoffeePotato]

Yup, even made a video on it!.....which I should have checked was recording properly, because it got messed up, and had to be redone. I've been loving it.

[@joshjulrich]

@@CoffeePotato For real! I have a love/hate relationship with the srpg maker graphics because I don't love the way they look for games like this and Vestaria Saga... but the tools allow people to make such awesome games that it's worth it!! I'm looking forward to your video!

[@Burak_C]

Im curios about your thoughts on Barbarossa (Holy aff. Bastard sword) and Mugenjin (Fire aff. 2H Katana) They both come with %40 bonus against Humans (and palace of dead class guys) so they really become one shot weapons easliy no effort needed. And both are very easy to obtain. No one ever talks about them so i wanted to know.

[@CoffeePotato]

I used the Barbarossa a decent bit on the Solo run, actually. the 1h skill is a bit of a downside, too, since being nullified would mean potentially losing those bonuses against other 1hs users. Both are pretty solid, though personally I would always take any of the 1h options and a shield over the Barb, since a 1H can charge up to a 1hko, but you can't charge more damage threshold. Mugenjin is good, but can get screwed over by prevailing element, since fire is an often used type. That damage bonus functionally gets reduced a little every time someone throws out a fire move. It's kind of like how the Brimstone bow in vanilla should theoretically be the strongest, but often doesn't hit as hard as you'd expect. They're both solid for already durable units when you get them, but I will instinctively hold them lower because of the Solo run, and needing to prioritize defense. I was hoping to score a few of them for Sub Optimal, though.

[@Burak_C]

@@CoffeePotato Thanks i never thought about the prevailing elements. I always go bstards, two handers or big stuff since defensive options become less attractive in endgame in a 12 man team. Faster I clear those elemental shrines better it is deaths be damned.

[@androm3dayt437]

Now I see instruments and whips going on S tier then that book and fan thingy goes down to D... Funny that I actually thought it was the other way around LMAO... I'll play a new game I guess and will have my clerics then let them carry instruments 🤣🤣🤣.... And my melee tanky class will use axes for breach from now on (btw I hate axes/hammers so much, I just feel sorry for my characters carrying heavy weapons 🤣)... Thanks for this list.... Will try to keep this in mind... 🥰 Just played the game again and saw that Clerics/Monks don't actually have access to instruments, LMAO, am so sad 🤣

[@CoffeePotato]

I think that was requested a few times, but yeah, counter clerics with charm would be so friggin busted. Relatedly, I actually found out after this came out that some recent patch added back in the counter ability for books, but that doesn't really move the dial much, they're mostly there as a utility thing.

[@willlauzon3744]

I am assuming that this transfers over to psp version as well? One battle away from palace of the dead. Very interested to see this that I've heard so much about

[@CoffeePotato]

I will be making a separate entire gear list for the vanilla game. OV categorized them into groups that function more or less the same. Vanilla had....a lot of quirks.

[@gayrozayppeli8431]

Oh, I didn't know there was a mod like this for TO. It's really rad. I wanted to ask, if it's okay, if you will ever do a video on the weapon types for the original game. I feel there's a lot to talk there like which elements should be gotten the aug skill of and so on.

[@CoffeePotato]

Yup, I did a skill video covering the elements and such a couple weeks ago, but the gear tier list is still in the works (literally just waiting for an opening.)

[@gayrozayppeli8431]

@@CoffeePotato Thanks so much, man. That's one thing the game doesn't tell you very well: the weapon you choose to specialize can matter. I'd love to see how much information I get to learn from there. By the way, I want to replay TO:LuCT again, is One Vision good for that?

[@CoffeePotato]

@@gayrozayppeli8431 It's excellent for that. The mechanics are the same, the mod just showcases what does what better. So for example with many of the passives moved via stats to equipment, it's far more noticeable that it was the heavy axe getting through armor better than the dagger that got you the kill there, not Strengthen. I often recommend playing OV first and then going back to people these days. I have a Newbie's Guide for that on here too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHfUppWPfrl-gZI

[@gayrozayppeli8431]

@@CoffeePotato Oh shit. That actually sounds fun! I actually ended up starting the original game by accident, so I'll be checking the mod out after I'm done!

[@CoffeePotato]

@@gayrozayppeli8431 There's a ton to find in either case. Most folks missed the hundred or more side maps aside from the story.

[@jeremyparsons2944]

draw out 2hk ftw, just started on the newest patch and have Canopus with staffs to make his magic better, and he still does good damage with the bonk

[@CoffeePotato]

Glad to see a fellow Bonk and Feather Sword enjoyer!

[@astralbuddha]

Dang, shortbow is C despite the benefit of deflecting / parrying with a dagger?

[@CoffeePotato]

Yeah, it's middle of the road. I love skirmisher builds, but you don't always need one.

[@zencee571]

haven't played ov for 2 years and im itching to play thr latest but kinda waiting for 1.0 😂

[@CoffeePotato]

It's basically already there, even 90% of the random maps are redone.

[@TirpitzLuminare]

Kind of off topic but I wanted to get back into this game but one of the things that always bothered me was the "missable" items/scrolls Decoy, Demonpetal Dance, and Crescente Bow. Are they still missable in this version, or have the been added in other ways? Thanks!

[@CoffeePotato]

Ironically missed this message since YT never sent me a notice, but yes, OV fixed all that. Technically, there were always ways to go back and un miss the missables, but I get where you're coming from.

[@TirpitzLuminare]

@@CoffeePotato Thanks, that info alone makes me want to revisit this game. I've got a bit of OCD when it comes to item collection on games. Each time I got to the point where you need to farm Decoy and such I get burnt out because I can't just "come back later".

[@willlauzon3744]

I have FINALLY made it to the palace of the dead. I hear you need pumpkin heads to get Denab as a wicce. I'll say that the first floor is actually piss easy.... I have a feeling that this won't last. What exactly do I need from the pumpkin heads. Do I need to kill them or recruit them? I'm also level 20ish. Not looking forward to 100 levels of this shite.

[@CoffeePotato]

They have a semi rare drop, as to a lot of smaller units in there, called a Glass Pumpkin. You need 30

[@willlauzon3744]

@@CoffeePotato jeeze. Alright. Starting from zero. Glass pumpkins. Let's go

[@CoffeePotato]

@@willlauzon3744 Honestly, I'd say do POTD just to get to the end, then farm the first map. It's by far the easiest way to get them. Unless playing OV, then you only need like 5, they drop in the story, and you get them from selling Cyclopes to the store.

[@willlauzon3744]

@@CoffeePotato I'm playing psp version. I just want Denab as a wicce if not for the job class but for the equipment

[@CoffeePotato]

@@willlauzon3744 Then yes. 30 Glass Pumpkins. First map works great because you can just snipe and retreat. Personally I prefer...I want to say it's 13, but it's been a long day. The one where there's 3 pumpkins on an arena with a staircase at the back. You can snipe and run, I want to say it's like a 10% drop that can go up or down based on a bunch of things.

[@goodintentions8106]

I'm playing vanilla psp. Just trying to figure out basic fitting two handed weapons for each white knight. Gildas starts with two handed sword. Ravness starts with spear. But mirdyn?

[@vincetheworldly537]

I use 1h sword and a shield on him, at some point of my game he even was the weilder of Lombardia (as Catiua always have the Brunhildr for plot purposes).

[@goodintentions8106]

@@vincetheworldly537 I was just gunna keep as a spear for the range and paralysis. Two users aren't to much

[@CoffeePotato]

Personally I always go spears on Mirdyn for the multi stun, and Rune Axe on Catiua because it's funny.

[@trauyen2767]

What is best weapon for Denam, canopus and vyce at Early start game (from beginning). I'm new come to one vision mod. Wish you recommend for me Build for Denam, Canopus and Vyce. Tks

[@crono276]

Largely depends on the role and if you're playing vanilla or ov

[@MrCactuar13]

FFTA2 weapon type tiers: Knight swords>>>>>>>the rest

[@CoffeePotato]

Nah. Sword can cut, but it can't explode. Or smart bomb. Guns firing Ultima Blades, and Cannons Ether Shotting Illusionists, now we're talking. 😂

[@MrCactuar13]

@@CoffeePotato yeah but who has time to level their fusilier as a black mage for 80 levels

[@CoffeePotato]

@@MrCactuar13 Black Mage? You just make them a Mog Knight, teach Ultima Sword, then use that with a gun. For some reason, it works. Basically turns it into the Armored Core Karasawa.

[@MrCactuar13]

@@CoffeePotato Ultima does use magic so it gets stronger the more MAtk you have, so to maximize that damage you level up as a black mage. Though as far as I can tell, it also does a minimum of 3x your standard attack and picks a calculation that's more favorable.

[@CoffeePotato]

@@MrCactuar13 I have no idea, but that makes sense. I just know explode gun do good.

[@caldoecaezah.h2419]

What is this "one vision" and more important ¿skills exp suck like the original game? cause maybe do a new run in this hack

[@CoffeePotato]

One Vision is a huge overhaul mod that makes the game more consistent and understandable. Yes, it boosts skill XP. (Funny detail, but the skill XP wasn't that bad, most of the time it went up slowly because no tutorial ever explained how XP allocation worked.)

[@caldoecaezah.h2419]

@@CoffeePotato and how work? never understanded that

[@CoffeePotato]

@@caldoecaezah.h2419 It depends on which one, but in basic cases, it's a random roll within a range split between all skills checked at the time. So... Give a guy just crossbows, put him on AI, he'll train pretty quick. Give him Anatomy, and he'll be better in the short term, but learn twice slower. Setting up quick skill checks is the key. That's why archers and ninjas seemed dominant, their more frequent still checks led to more consistent growth, which led to higher skills, which led to higher penetration, and better access to scaled bonus damage.