War on the Sea | IJN Centrifugal Offensive | Ep.20 - The Allies Strike Back!

[@GTOAviator]

19:20 I was a modder and did a lot of campaign coding on this game when it was first released. The reason that happened is due to the visibility parameters that the developer decided to employ for aircraft departing an engagement. In order for the aircraft to not continuously loop the player back into the same engagement after the tactical phase ends, there is a "cooldown" timer which hides the fleet for awhile. After the cooldown timer reaches 0, the fleet reappears. It's actually one of the things I spent the most time modding because it's a completely infuriating mechanic and can be quite confusing for players. If you enter tactical, you'll still find the enemy fleet.

[@devrossik]

Unfortunately, you cannot find hidden fleets until the timer runs out, even if you go into the tactical map. I suspect your experience occured because the timer had expired, but the fleet had not yet been rediscovered until you went into tactical. This mechanic has been controversial since the game started. I usually reduce the timeouts some, but never set them to zero, because that has serious consequences when it is your fleet being attacked. People forget that this mechanic works both ways.

[@GTOAviator]

@@devrossikyou might be right. It's been a couple years since I touched that code. I was working a clone fleet bug at the time and that's probably what I'm remembering. Anyway, it's a truly divisive game mechanic that could have been handled about seven different ways. There was a lot with this game that just felt unfinished and placeholder-ish.

[@devrossik]

Don't give up the fight, Taff! No matter how frustrating it seems, you are actually doing really well! The scenario you are playing is VERY hard, and you also appear to be using the highest level of difficulty (I checked the first episode, but you didn't show those settings). That is why the enemy has so many planes and their attacks are so effective. You are basically fighting an entire navy of top aces. In spite of that, and in spite of being constantly starved for resources, you have steadily marched across the map, taking one port after another. Now you face the most heavily defended region. Your strategy is sound --- flatten the ports to stop the air attacks, then go in with the troops. You just need to stick it out. As for the weirdness with your planes --- you are right, something is broken. It is probably some slightly corrupted data in your save game file. If you can, you might try selecting each plane you see and ordering it to RTB. If that takes, then wait till all planes have actually left the map, and save the game. Exit and restart the game, and it MIGHT be fixed --- but no guarantees. There are people who know how to edit that save game file (such as myself), if you want to go that far.

[@paulhalforc1889]

If you have attacked a fleet there is a cool.down. However if you enter tactical anyway you often find the fleet again

[@devrossik]

Unfortunately, you cannot find hidden fleets until the timer runs out, even if you go into the tactical map. I suspect your experience occured because the timer had expired, but the fleet had not yet been rediscovered until you went into tactical. This mechanic has been controversial since the game started. I usually reduce the timeouts some, but never set them to zero, because that has serious consequences when it is your fleet being attacked. People forget that this mechanic works both ways.

[@Scarletlord]

I love war on the sea and you inspired me to buy it myself and I'm really enjoying it. However now knowing some of the mechanics of the game I can completely understand your frustration. I'd love to see another IL-2 campaign or just another U boat episode a week.

[@ditzy_neko3362]

You can go into tactical with a unit where you suspect the enemy to be and even if they aren't on the map anymore they just might be in the area.

[@FelixDetlefs]

Replenish your carrier airgroup, upgrade one of your other ports to level 5 so you can release and repair ships closer to the action, ideally get another carrier to put into a task group then actually use your carrier attack planes when you discover enemy vessels - they won't be able to resist air strikes from two carriers. You've not used them at all yet

[@nicholasblazier3873]

Wasn’t sure about this series, wish it was a bigger map now as its bloody good as!

[@mikhailiagacesa3406]

The Japanese did not call it the Centrifugal Offensive...the Allies did. The Empire called it the move south. Just call your Carrier leaping dragon. We'll save time.

[@johnmaddox7432]

Taff, it's pronounced (Sir ah buy ah).

[@Deathraven693]

Feeling your pain. I've switched to ultimate admiral as I just can't get on with the aircraft side. If I get spotted by an aircraft I EXPECT to be hounded relentlessly and the challenge is I prep for it. But the game doesn't allow for that.

[@vandekraats]

Great series! Too bad the bugs are getting in the way. I've had this patrol aircraft bug too. I'm concerned about the negative aircraft counts at some of the airfields, I think when I had that issue, you would never get aircraft replenishments after forcing the extra ones to land and I had to restart the campaign. Why was the version of WOTS from last year would have lots of sea battles, but now it's always aircraft attacking shipping and very few naval engagements????

[@jimmybob6740]

If you take a resource base it affects the allies resource points as well as your own right? Can you exploit that by peeling them back on the East side of the map?

[@cyberfutur5000]

I love the series, but I could totally understand, if you'd quit. I think watching your series is way more fun, than playing the game. It's a bit on the frustrating, sluggish and cheaty side of things, although it has it's strenghts, it allways looses me after a short while. Personally I prefer "Victory at sea" it has less bugs (now) at least less bad ones and feels fair and less frustrating. But still, I love this series, it's a highlight every time a video drops. But I really would mind a new Taff take on Victory at sea, either ;)

[@kcomco7433]

There have been buggy planes for quite a while. When you have the hoard out (and negative availability), if you tell them to all land/return to base they'll count the negative numbers available up to 0. You might end up with 0 planes available if they've all been shot down until they regenerate (don't know the exact mechanic there off-hand). You can also edit the game file (text file) to reset the negatives, etc. But as planes are lost the numbers available go back negative. It's one of the most annoying bugs for me.

[@whiteru55ian33]

I’d be surprised if Taff continues this campaign it really sounds like he’s so over this game and the OP ai abilities.

[@hfxpro]

The bug with aircraft seems to be if you have a launch option open as the timer ticks over to 5:00 am, it will not send out the auto planes. Try not to have the launch flight window open at 5:00.

[@michaelkoznarsky7911]

Soerabaja = Surabaya. Easy, peasy, Dutch pronounciation-easy.

[@ralgith]

Taff, you can't find them on the map because of the 30 minute cooldown. As Paul said in his comment, just get into the right area and manually enter tactical.

[@conmcgrath7174]

As paulhalforc 1889 said, you may have been the 'victim' of the cool-down having first approached the battleship et al with your fighter bombers? However, after much in-depth analysis and consultation with 'top boffins' (clever people those boffins) we have reached a consensus of opinion; the game HATES you! Well, you've been waaay too successful and nobody likes a 'smart Alec'? Hang in there matey, I'm sure sweet revenge is coming. Pax

[@arthurcrego8297]

nice one

[@MclarenelaF1]

Hi community, how do you get on this part of the game? I’m still stuck on the base campaign operation watchtower like how do you get different campaigns?

[@andrewday6867]

it's a mod for the game idk where he got it but if I find it i'll give you the link

[@dammitdan1662]

Google “ABDACOM Defensive” mod

[@EggnogTheNog]

There’s a link in the video description.

[@nonameeither6804]

It's pronounced Sura-baya....:)

[@tacticalcalebgaming7264]

Langley is one the first carrier that U.S Navy had

[@johnpenley]

Way to Go Taff.. By my estimations you killed George H. Bush..future President of the United States. Think you just created an alternate reality!!😂😂

[@architkumarsingh139]

The command point distribution in this game is just awful!! You sank 4 ships including a cruiser and just 1 point, devs really need to work on this mod.