Tahoma 31 vs IronCutter Bermudagrass BONUS 419 and Toro Zoysia

[@_keepin.it.reel_]

From my experience T31 doesn't respond well to growth regulators and after speaking with several guys in the turf industry they have all had various experiences with it.

[@GCITurf]

@@_keepin.it.reel_ this is excellent info because I do plan to regulate the snot out of it so I don’t have to mow as often. Thanks!

[@_keepin.it.reel_]

@@GCITurf I've had T31 since 2020 and to date I've used both Primo and Anuew. The issue I have is with phytotoxicity. The lawn looks bad regardless of the rate and in some cases the growth doesn't even really slow down.

[@GCITurf]

@@_keepin.it.reel_ that’s the exact thing I do not want. I need to do some homework on the IC and see how it tolerates regulation.

[@2shotsofvaca411]

​@@_keepin.it.reel_ I don't have this issue at all with T31. I can run 5ml of PGR every other Friday and it responds fantastic to that.

[@Hardball25fan]

I had to travel out of town for a week and went half rate with primo for 2 apps 2 weeks apart. It worked great. T31 doesn’t require much of inputs.

[@jeffk.397]

It's great seeing you do something you want to do instead of something you feel like you need to do. It makes a big difference in the videos and I'm sure in your life.

[@GCITurf]

@@jeffk.397 agreed 1000% sir!

[@Los714]

Nothing like waking up in the morning doing yard work and listening to a Pete turf talk video

[@GCITurf]

@@Los714 I appreciate you

[@Grinch83]

@@GCITurf I say the same thing every Saturday morning. Much respect to you Pete🇺🇸🫡

[@thereelryan]

So glad you posted this. I have a sprig project next spring and have been battling T31 vs IronCutter. Thank you!!!

[@thereelryan]

IronCutter is almost half the price of T31 also here in OK

[@Ajchester544]

@@thereelryanthere is a place in OK that sells sprigs of T31. I’m going out there in the spring to get mine. Sod by sherry

[@thereelryan]

@@Ajchester544 yeah. I have looked at Sod by Sherry. $1500 for 100 bushels is really steep. They are charging over $400 per pallet of T31 which is pretty high.

[@JT64H]

@@thereelryan is Easton sod the only seller here in OK? Can’t find there prices

[@tonynichols2872]

Yeah man!! Do it!! I can't wait for the renovation process and the results. I saw a quick video on your Instagram of the IC sod you put in at the shop! I said he's gotta go with Iron Cutter. Yeah! Take the Winter off! That reno is going to be something for us to look forward to!! Looking for land in my home town of Savannah, Ga. This is motivation! 💪💪💪

[@chadwickedralin8418]

Thanks for doing this video. I put my eyes on T31 and TifTuf at the farm. But not yet with iron cutter. I did prefer look of TifTuf better where both got overgrown (over 2”). So I too am now leaning towards iron cutter this summer based on this video.

[@Ajchester544]

This has been a topic of convo on thelawnforum… gonna have to share it

[@adamsimone141]

I feel ya on contemplating making the switch to Bermuda or Zoysia. I'm in Kansas and same as you are summers do a number on our fescue lawns and it seems like lately our Falls have been hot and dry too. We were in the 90's yesterday. I have a 20x20 plot of Innovation Zoysia and it just looks amazing in the summer compared to my fesuce. Only thing that scares me with bermuda is I have no experience with a reel mower and not sure anyone around her does maintenance on them so I'd have to pick a grass I can mow at 1.5 or 2"

[@GCITurf]

@@adamsimone141 go to your local golf course and ask those questions

[@prospectfields]

Great video Pete. I switched out to Rio Bermuda this summer over our 365 SS Bluegrass. Absolutely love it. Just north of Cincy area. Thank you for all your help

[@ChuckL83]

Great video! I currently have 5,000 sq feet of low mow KBG but thinking of converting rest of tall fescue lawn to low mow as well. I currently use 26" walk behind for low mow. What do you recommend for 25,000 square feet of low mow? I heard you mention towards end of video of getting some type of tri-plex reel mower. Located in MD so I like to keep cool season grass so it stays green in winter otherwise would love to convert to T31.

[@markbelmonte1325]

Love the golf course content Pete! Hope everything is ok from the hurricane, I was in Charlotte last Friday during the storm and that was bad enough. May the Lord bless you and your family and all those effected.

[@GCITurf]

Zero harm here but those poor folks in our mountains…

[@DirtygardenCA]

You got me on the bermuda kick earlier this year. I have small plots of Tifgreen, Tifway and they are both awesome, in my eyes. The Tifway spreads like it was 'stolon'. Easily spreads 6" in a month. Just received some T31 plugs from a sod farm, they are still mellowing out so I can't quite evaluate it yet. I don't know how to get my hands on Iron Cutter here in California. Look forward on what you decide.

[@chadfleming8234]

Hot Dang, Mr Pete, Moving on over to that Devil Grass at his home! And here I though there would never be a cold day in Hell! LOL! That looks really really good, but for your neck of the woods it just makes sense! Peace and God's Love my Friend! Chad Upstate NY

[@Kyle-iz5qt]

I believe the ironcutter is the new stuff on the block right now. I'm in a fb group and man these dudes have their yards such a deeppp dark green.

[@GCITurf]

@@Kyle-iz5qt post a link to that group please

[@rdebnam2]

@@GCITurf when do you anticipate beginning this renovation, And where will you be purchasing your Iron cutter if that is the route you are going. Im in north carolina as well and will be converting in the spring

[@GCITurf]

@@rdebnam2 may 1st and I don’t know where I’ll get it yet

[@andrewegan3705]

T31 will go into dormancy way earlier than ic but wakes up fairly quickly. It is slow growing even in summer. IC is a naturally darker green than t31.

[@_keepin.it.reel_]

Are you saying Tahoma is slow growing in summer or IC? I typically maintain my T31 between .375-.500 as the season progresses and without PGR I mow every other day to maintain that height and prevent scalping.

[@andrewegan3705]

@@_keepin.it.reel_ t31 is a slow grower. IC in summer can be mowed a few times a week.

[@stevencollins9894]

You should do a day with the course crew to show what actually goes down to get the course ready

[@GCITurf]

@@stevencollins9894 that would be pretty cool

[@stevencollins9894]

Pete that what I do for a living

[@jaymeyers950]

Pete how did your employee and you n your family fair with the hurricane was there and flooding or wind damage

[@GCITurf]

Rain is all we got. Nothing remotely compared to our maintains

[@tglasslawncare]

I have t31 in my front lawn and IronCutter in my dad’s. There is a difference in color. Lighter spring green in Ic. Ic grows better at taller heights. Ic sends out runners more aggressively. T31 loses some appeal at taller heights. I am cutting at 2.5” with 60” ztr and it still looks good, but beautiful at .5-1”. My dad’s cutting at 3-4” because his yard is so un level and even at those heights IC is still gorgeous. T31 runners have a shorter distance between nodes. Ic longer distance. Both are my two favorite grasses for St. Louis full Sun. For the average homeowner with a rotary mower and unleveled lawns, I’m leaning IronCutter. Taller heights- zoysia is prettier, but it’s picky. At least the old Meyer I have in the back.

[@GCITurf]

@@tglasslawncare overall would you say that IC is a touch darker green than the T31???

[@E.ElderGilbert]

Pete, I live in Knightdale nc with Tifway 419 and I am kicking tifturf butt up.

[@GCITurf]

419 is awesome!

[@cokenner]

Pete, are you considering sprigging at all?

[@GCITurf]

@@cokenner for sure

[@wilsonline90]

I'm struggling with my T31. But i know I'm at fault lol cutting it at 2 inches rn. I just scalped it down to keeo it short and had to leave for a job and stayed 3 weeks out. Came back to tropical sod webworm infestations. The seashore Paspalum on the side lawn went to dirt. T3q actually held up ok. Weeds at a foot tall. Grass super short. Neighbors asked what I did for the grass not to grow lol. Well, actually there was some residual pg .there. I still prefer the look of fine bladed zoysia. Much superior in density and stripes well. And newer cultivars like Stadium and Primo are just as dark as bermuda and no need for a ton of fert.

[@spankyslawncarellc7822]

Pete, I will email you a few photos. You will be impressed. Bentgrass green etc..

[@Brett.Simpson]

I never thought in a million years that Pete would embrace Bermudagrass as a lawn turf.

[@GCITurf]

@@Brett.Simpson why not? It’s a beautiful turf grass

[@dylan8285]

Zoysias are really good once established but that’s the biggest con is it’s slow to establish. Otherwise the color, textures and density is comparable to Bermuda

[@robrob7011]

Pete, how did you hold up in the storm ?? Bless you man !!

[@GCITurf]

We got rain is all. Those folks in our mountains is who got it bad… and bad don’t even describe it

[@Legendary_UA]

I knew this was coming.

[@GCITurf]

@@Legendary_UA 💪🏻

[@PeterRakowski]

Hey Pete, i beleive he's talking in thousandths of an inch. 1/2 inch being .500, 9/16 being .563. So basically same language just little more accurate. He's probably setting the height of cut with those dial indicator set ups

[@shainmitchell3677]

Good morning sir.

[@GCITurf]

@@shainmitchell3677 howdy!

[@mandobanjoguitar]

I'd do half the yard first to make sure you like it. Maybe take out the bluegrass and keep the fescue or vice versa, But good luck. You got bit by the short grass bug. It does make sense though since you in the south.

[@GCITurf]

The issue with that is I’d never be able to get rid of the Bermuda. It’s either all or nothing with the alpha grass

[@monkeyslawncareandgardenin473]

Zoisia is fanominal, my brother does nothing to his and it’s thick!

[@chrispatterson8210]

Pete is coming over to the dark side! Welcome to the alpha life! Being a golf guy, and if you reel mow it, you are going to love it. You're not going to get those deep stripes, though, that you are used to.

[@GCITurf]

@@chrispatterson8210 I’m fine with no stripes. Lol I can chip on it though ⛳️⛳️⛳️

[@FowlerEden]

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[@Hardball25fan]

T31 that has been fertilized is freaking dark green! Just sayin. Iron cutter doesn’t get as thick which will likely require less verticutting. I can share pictures…

[@GCITurf]

@@Hardball25fan email them to me [e-mail]

[@GallacherKelly-o6e]

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[@DimiArhontidis]

Did he say he had the Bermuda under an inch of sand?! I was always told the blades have to peek.

[@GCITurf]

@@DimiArhontidis they don’t. I’ve buried Bermuda in sand before and it flushes out fine

[@DimiArhontidis]

So good to know thank you!!

[@GCITurf]

@@DimiArhontidisbut you have to do it at the right time of the year when you have plenty of heat

[@МарфаВалюхова]

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[@JoseRodriguez-m4g]

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[@dandennis8465]

Do we need you to step away from the edge? 😂

[@GCITurf]

@@dandennis8465 😂😂😂 no sir. I got this. LOL. I may need a parachute though.

[@akerestine]

@@GCITurf😂

[@stevewilley5185]

Very invasive...grows where you don't want it? Very special mowers needed.

[@GCITurf]

@@stevewilley5185 it does spread aggressively but can be managed in unwanted areas very easily. No “special” mower is required. You can use a basic rotary mower or a basic reel mower to cut it.