Taiwan is their home, but path to Taiwanese citizenship still too unattainable for foreigners ?

Taiwan is their home, but path to Taiwanese citizenship still too unattainable for foreigners ? Today I interviewed Daniel & Liesl to talk about their life in Taiwan,and I hope you guys like it.
Liesl Instagram : / _liesl_
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/ jaychen_taiwan

[@user-lq9mg7mh2l]

大家好，我是內政部移民署負責外國人業務的同仁，有關本影片提到外國朋友擔心，在臺出生的子女成年後無法繼續在臺依親居留，在此簡單說明申請方式，希望對外國朋友有幫助： 1.外國朋友如果持有居留證或永久居留證，在臺出生的子女只要累計在臺居住10年以上（每年居住超過183日），於18歲後，還是可以申請延期居留，最長可達6年；6年內如果找到工作且最近一年平均每月收入達2倍基本工資或考取我國相關證照，即可立即申請永久居留。 2.另外，為配合政府留才攬才政策，針對外國「高級專業人才」如果取得永久居留者，其未成年子女也可以同時申請；如果是外國(特定)專業人才且經許可永久居留，未成年子女於居住滿一定期間(3-5年)後，也可以申請永久居留。外國人經許可永久居留後，除非有不法情形，否則永久居留證是永久有效，不會因為成年而無法繼續在臺居留。 3.外國人如果有任何居留問題或建議，歡迎就近向移民署各縣市服務站洽詢或反映，我們將持續營造友善外國人居留環境。 Hello everyone, I am in charge of foreign affairs at the Ministry of Interior, National Immigration Agency. As mentioned in this video, a foreign resident was concerned about not being able to obtain legal dependent residency after adulthood. I would like to briefly explain the process of application as follows. I hope this helps. 1.Foreigners who have been living in Taiwan for over 10 year with legal ARC or APRC can still extend the certificates up to 6 years after adulthood (18 yrs old). If the holder finds a job with average monthly income reaching 2 times the basic income or obtains relevant certificates within the 6 years period, he or she is qualified for the APRC. 2.Besides, complying with the “Recruitment and Employment of Foreign Professionals” policy, minor children of the “foreign senior professionals” are qualified for the APRC application along with the holders. Minor children of the “special foreign professionals” are also qualified for the APRC application along with the holders after 3-5 years legal residency in Taiwan. APRC shall be permanently valid unless unlawful conducts are found, even reaching adulthood. 3.Foreigners living in Taiwan with questions or suggestions are more than welcomed to reach out to any service centers across the country. We will continue to create friendly environment for foreign residents.

[@muaythai6668]

I applaud the government for not having birthright citizenship for foreigners. It is a very dangerous path to take. Taiwan has 700,000 migrants workers and close to 100,000 foreigners and assuming that half are women of childbearing age, the possibility of having a few hundred thousand kids born in Taiwan to foreigners per year is a reality. This number will overwhelm native born Taiwanese kids. What will happen to our education system? Will the main language of instruction be in Vietnamese, Thai, Tagalog, Indonesian or bastardized English? What will happen to the Taiwanese people? Within one generation, Taiwanese will be a minority in their own country and there won't be a Taiwanese identity anymore. Taiwanese has one of the highest average IQ in the world and that is why they are able to build their country into an economic powerhouse and a civilized orderly society. What happens if half the population in the future have an IQ of less than 90, will Taiwan still be an economic powerhouse with an orderly society? Taiwan will turn into a third world basketcase with its human labor as its biggest export. On the political side, how much attachment will these foreigner born kids have to Taiwan? Will they vote for unification with China if incentivized with lots of money to do so? They can always take the money and run to their parents country of origin. The societal and political reality of Taiwan is not conducive to an immigration policy of birthright citizenship for foreigners. 我讚揚政府沒有提供外國人出生公民權。 這是一條非常危險的道路。 台灣有70萬名外籍勞工和近10萬外國人，假設其中一半是育齡婦女，那麼每年外國人在台灣生育數十萬孩子的可能性是現實的。 這個數字將會壓倒台灣本土出生的孩子。 我們的教育體系將會發生什麼變化？ 主要教學語言是越南語、泰語、他加祿語、印尼語還是劣質英語？ 台灣民眾將何去何從？ 在一代之內，台灣人將成為自己國家的少數民族，並且不再有台灣人的身分。 台灣人是世界上平均智商最高的國家之一，這就是為什麼他們能夠將自己的國家建設成為經濟強國和文明有序的社會。 如果未來一半人口智商低於90，台灣還會是經濟強國、社會有序嗎？ 台灣將成為第三世界的廢墟，勞動力將成為其最大的出口產品。 在政治方面，這些外國人出生的孩子對台灣會有多少依戀？ 如果有大量資金激勵，他們會投票支持與中國統一嗎？ 他們隨時可以拿著錢跑回父母的原籍國。 台灣的社會和政治現實不利於外國人出生公民權的移民政策。

[@taiwanenglishpodcast]

Your policy on immigration, and naturalization goes against basic human rights. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Taiwan is supposed to be a Liberal Democracy, but if I've lived and worked here for 22 years, and don't have the right to vote what does that say about Taiwanese Democracy? The Ministry of The Interior, even the name INTERIOR, us and them, foreigner = OUTSIDER. I've received many pitiful letters from the Ministry trying to justify this situation, and every time they say silly things like "Taiwan is so small, and we have no space." LOL!!!! Seriously, this is a J.o.K.e

[@hanawababe]

謝謝移民署官員的說明。希望未來能夠修改政策，允許外籍人士雙重國籍，為台灣留才。

[@taiwanenglishpodcast]

I have sent so many letters to the Ministry of The Interior and the replies are all the same. Excuses, excuses, sorry no Citizenship for you, we are over populated, we cannot change Article 9 of the Constition, blah, blah, MOI you need to change your attitude, and open your ears! The population is declinging rapidly, so don't use that crap argument anymore. I've been here 22 years!!!! Where is my right to vote in this election? I am certainly not throwing my British passport in the rubbish bin so I can beg the ROC for Taiwanese Citizenship, that is extremely disrespectful, especially considering many Taiwanese enjoy duel nationality themselves. This is NOT a friendly environment for immigrants, it's all surface deep.

[@taiwanenglishpodcast]

@@muaythai6668 Taiwan is not under threat from migrants, stop fear mongering. There are 24 Million Taiwanese people compared to a very tiny minority of immigrants here. Are you really that insecure that you believe if we are given basic human rights that your culture will disappear? (Which is kind of ironic considering the only reason why you are Taiwanese in the first place is because you trampled on the rights of the real indigenous people here ^^

[@Fat-Spider]

訪談越來越棒了，問題有淺入深，沒預設立場，沒一昧的愛台灣，純粹的反應外國人對台灣的想法，好看

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝你的支持😉

[@lucus369]

我是冰島人，來台50年，大家覺得我中文好嗎？

[@JayChenTaiwan]

哇 50 年 😉

[@Blaze6432]

I find it so stupid that Taiwan allows Taiwanese citizens to apply for dual citizenship, but they don't allow foreigners to retain theirs. I always wanted to migrate to Taiwan but the idea of living there for 10 years and not having a path to dual citizenship seems ridiculous.

[@DefineAdam]

Agreed. I was looking up the paths to citizenship in Taiwan as I'd love to migrate there, but upon seeing that I'd have to give up my 3 other citizenships to claim one for Taiwan, I thought that it was quite unfair what their policy is. There's no way I'd give up my 3 just to gain 1.

[@yvonnelin3606]

I can't explain well exactly why and how Taiwanese citizens can apply for dual citizenship, but for foreigners to retain theirs, please also conern about our hostile and tense relationship with China and how hard Chinese government to infiltrated into Taiwanese gov and society including Chinese or Chinese spouses who are completedly controlled and threated by Chinese gov and even some or many with missions in Taiwan. I don't know if we can make a law of nationality which can exclude Chinese, Hong Kong people, and Macanese, but definately, some people will fight against the law. Any better suggestions?

[@DefineAdam]

@@yvonnelin3606 From what I was reading online, those who have Chinese/HK/Macao citizenship are already excluded from getting Taiwanese. I do also completely understand the situation that's Taiwan is facing. My girlfriend is from Taiwan, and has shared some of her fears with me regarding the entire situation. I do also understand the need to be cautious of people who may try to infiltrate, however if there's people who clearly have no connection to the mainland chinese government, then they shouldn't be forced to give up their citzenships. I'd love to call Taiwan my permanent home as I've loved each time I've gone there, and while I am willing to go through all the VISA requirements to start off with, continuing those visa renewals, etc for 5 or 10+ years is just awful, and there's no way I'd give up my Australian/New Zealand/UK citizenships in case I need to travel for family.

[@PhoenixLights0311]

@@yvonnelin3606 Could you please specify the evidence of how and what the Chinese infiltrated Taiwan? If that's happening and has been happening, what the Taiwanese government do to stop it from happening? Did the Taiwanese government actually catch those who try to infiltrate Taiwan? And why does the Taiwanese government still allow Chinese spouses to live in Taiwan? Same as why the current Taiwanese government still let ECFA exist since it's the worse agreement we had with China that would harm Taiwan. Nobody likes China. But it is so easy to get away with all the mistakes they made just to point their finger at China. And it is very smart to manipulate Taiwanese people by raising their hatred towards China. Because it's the easiest way to win the election, not by how much they achieve to make Taiwan a better place.

[@georgelaw8978]

@@yvonnelin3606Taiwan should tight up your security law, not hold up all foreigners as hostage.

[@xxoo6303]

在我眼中， 你們就是台灣人。❤

[@ELAinTaipei]

Really true. I can relate. My son was born here and has gone to local school from kindergarten to junior high school, so far. He speaks fluent Mandarin and sounds like a local. Yet, he is always called "foreigner." I married a Taiwanese guy recently and we had a daughter together. She is half Taiwanese but is also called "foreigner." When I say she is also Taiwanese, the Taiwanese parents of her friends will just laugh and say no she is a foreigner. Even my in-laws call her "mixed blood." Most Taiwanese people I encounter on a daily basis don't know English, and my Mandarin is so-so, therefore it is extremely difficult to make true friends. It is easy to make acquaintances and to chat about superficial things, but the depth isn't there. Even coworkers that seem to be "friends" will still have get togethers where only the Taiwanese staff members are invited. For the APRC, what I was told at the immigration office is that when adults get their APRC there are two choices. One choice is your children immediately get an APRC too but it will expire once they turn 18. The other choice is to wait five years after the parent receives their APRC and then apply for your children to receive theirs. If they are still under 18 when you do this, the APRC will be valid for life. So I am waiting the five years before I get my son's APRC.

[@user-rh8ps5lx1m]

很棒的街訪，他們講得這個缺點，之前也聽過別的外國人說，我真心希望台灣以後能住著許多外國人，因為台灣正在走老年化時代，還有世界各國對台灣的認識與認知

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝😉

[@tsaivikki3293]

東南亞或印度、緬甸可以嗎？

[@a0932600372]

​@@tsaivikki3293要看怎麼規範與要求，應該跟原本的國籍無關，除了大陸地區基於保護台灣安全的原則屬例外。

[@MiJiU0102]

@@tsaivikki3293 為什麼不行，只要能融入台灣這個大家庭的都很好啊。

[@yuwenchen381]

@@tsaivikki3293 為什麼不ˊ可以呢?對這塊土地的認同 對這個國家的愛.哪裡需要區分膚色 人種 信仰.台灣人沒有比較高貴.如果有那麼台灣人最珍貴的地方在於能夠給予更多的包容更多的平等與愛。

[@FBHaotingShih]

Jay Chen是個溫柔友善又心思細膩的人，很謝謝Jay Chen那麼用心拍攝每一支街訪影片，台灣這塊土地有你真的很好很讚！

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝你的支持😎

[@chenjiunn3979]

如果是小孩成年的去留問題也許可以更改居留權的規定，而非更改國籍法。

[@user-ff9ii8im7k]

我覺得台灣在面對除不友好與敵對國家以外，需要更融入國際，至少要有變通的處理方式。

[@user-rz5ug9wd2l]

道理誰都知道， 做起來 沒誰能做好， 中國 已完全不給模糊和轉圜的空間， 不想得罪中國的 也不給模糊和轉圜的餘地， 要想融入國際 就勢必得跟中國硬碰硬， 不敢硬起來 啥都做不成， 一硬起來 國內就政治惡鬥 風涼話沒完沒了。

[@jason7862]

台灣這國籍問題~~應該要可以同時屬地~也可以屬人~~這才是兩全其美的辦法~~讓人們自己選擇~~台灣政府應該要快修法

[@jasonchien70]

其實有中國這個惡鄰真的不容易，有不少陸配還是對中國有極大向心的統派，看看有很多陸配KZbinrs 是有任務或別有居心的進行認知戰，所以如果採落地主義，屆時將成台灣隱患。當然可排除中港澳的人民，對其他國家的高級人材和家人給予不同的入籍優惠，但也必然會有人說歧視中港澳人士，而進行反對。

[@SamSamins]

@@jasonchien70 学加拿大的打分制度

[@user-rz1bq1cl8n]

我也覺得應該改善尤其越來越多的新住民❤外國人也是新住民真的該改善！！！！！

[@fstsao1]

想太多了!!這是保護本國國民,台灣就是不想讓外國人來台灣搶工作,你只能做高階工作,公司會申請居留證 基本上會來台灣的,極少數是頂尖人員 大公司都在中國 新加坡 香港

[@fstsao1]

@@jasonchien70 代表你覺得大陸已經比台灣好了,才會有認知作戰!!惡鄰讓台灣賺最多錢??

[@Sunshine-go8se]

remember that someone in Taiwan had said that the government doesn't care about this issue because the politicians don't consider changing this legislation would bring them any additional votes during election. That's bizarre!

[@honyiwang323]

I think we should make it easier for the foreigners. I, originally a Taiwanese, moved to US 33 years ago. I became a citizen here about 14 years ago, but I was never asked to give up my Taiwanese citizenship. I think we can do the same as US is willing to do.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

👍

[@cheng-enwang1299]

1.Daniel & Liesl 夫婦的女兒20歳留在台灣的問題,可以詢問KZbin"雷堤娜Tyna",移民署有修法,估狗"雷堤娜條款"就會跑出一堆新聞,至於雷堤娜本人是如何解決的,可能問移民局或"雷堤娜Tyna"比較清楚,希望能有幫助。法源:「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法」

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝提供資訊. 我個人覺得 Liesl 在意的點是,女兒在這邊出生長大,也學習台灣文化所有的一切,但她的身分始終還是一個"外國人身分" 雷堤娜6歲隨父母來台定居，卻因為國籍，讓她必須面臨成年後無法居留的問題，透過他們一家長期與移民署協調周旋，移民署開立「雷堤娜條款」，讓外國人子女可以透過就學方式居留台灣，但已年滿20的雷堤娜依舊無法取得台灣永久居留權，只能每三年更新一次居留證，才能留在台灣生活。

[@cheng-enwang1299]

@@JayChenTaiwan 建議可詢問移民署比較清楚

[@RKW208]

在台灣出生 且住滿10年 如果這樣都還不是台灣人 真的是蠻不友善的🤣🤣 我們是台灣人耶 沒有這類型法規太沒人情味了啦！

[@dajen0265]

她的弟弟是有拿到台灣身份証的，不過修法時她已超過年紀了。

[@jengoh3826]

Taiwan should allow dual citizenship for foreigners who wish to naturalize as Taiwanese citizens. The only exception is Mainland Chinese. For security reasons, Mainland Chinese must be required to surrender their PRC passport if they wish to obtain Taiwanese citizenship. Just my two cents.

[@codermickey8638]

What about Taiwan compulsory military service for citizen? Most countries that have compulsory military service don’t allow dual citizenship because then male citizens would run away and not train to defend their homeland.

[@user-bi3pm4tj7d]

I'm Taiwanese, and I agree ur suggestion

[@Bittzen]

​​@@codermickey8638BS, Israel allows dual citizenship and has no such problem. First generation people will be more likely to only have one citizenship in a country, but also remember most Jews left countries during the Holocaust and the descendants have dual citizenship. They all still fight in the IDF.

[@Bittzen]

It'll also help increase foreign investment and attract more smart people. I want to be a citizen of Taiwan and contribute there, but no way in hell I'm giving up my US citizenship and other citizenships.

[@jengoh3826]

@@Bittzen I am curious. If Taiwan come up with another class of citizenship that allows you all the rights and privileges of Taiwanese citizenship with the only exception that you can not vote for the Taiwanese president, will you be okay with that type of citizenship? You will be allowed to retain your American citizenship, and you will still be allowed to vote in local elections and national level legislators. The only position you can not vote for is the office of president itself.

[@wanachen4076]

謝謝您認同台灣，❤，台灣也愛您們

[@dawalrus]

I really loved this video. I don’t know why I’m moved to tears by the end of it. This couple is lovely and makes me miss Taiwan even more 🍻 from atlanta

[@JayChenTaiwan]

[@janehuang7849]

They raised some really important and valid issues/constructive criticisms! I’ve seen a number of videos from “westerners” born and raised in Taiwan with the same issues that I feel the Taiwanese government should address. Taiwan allows Taiwanese who obtained foreign citizenships to retain their Taiwan citizenship, so why not offer those who have made Taiwan their home, contribute to the society….I’m not talking about handing out citizenships like candies, obviously there should be a process with rules and laws, it needs to be implemented, IMO.

[@Choco95]

意外發現這個頻道，訪談內容都很有深度。主持人的英文很不錯 雖然文法有時有小出錯，但敢講敢表達自己的意見及問問題，總體來說非常棒！希望貴頻道能被越來越多人看到❤

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝🙏

[@user-yd9en1rd2t]

非常支持你們夫妻加油台灣有你們真好

[@JayChenTaiwan]

台灣加油💪

[@TheAkira168]

我覺得應該對於真心想成為台灣人的外國人更開放 ! 當然可以有一些配套措施防止不良分子

[@neothaka]

I've been living in Taiwan for over 10 years. I wouldn't say citizenship is unattainable, it's rather undesirable. You are forced to give up your original citizenship, while Taiwanese are allowed to hold multiple citizenships. It's a major factor that puts a lot of people off from pursuing it.

[@bladerunner.1984]

When you become Taiwanese citizen, nothing really prevents you to get back your old citizenship, since technically now as a Taiwanese you can also have dual citizenship. It's not optimal but technically possible, at least for some countries (assuming you have family / birthright etc). I do agree though that it's too complicated for the most people.

[@TheGildasperin]

Great video, highlights a lot of very good points!

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Thank you😎

[@user-fp9mz2pu3c]

感謝三位，相信台灣會越來越好

[@user-jf4ql8qt4y]

其實應該是我們台灣人和這對夫妻說 謝謝才對 也謝謝頻道主無私分享

[@allenking6172]

You can share this video to President Tsai to improve the immigration issue.

[@sosmoothsoslappy]

Twitter ,Instagram and Facebook. We can share our comments on those media. Let more people to know that.

[@taiwan5799]

有缺點就是要改善，很棒的訪談

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝支持 😊

[@bingotran8487]

So informative and interesting. As a Vietnamese citizen, I am also eagerly anticipating seeing some insights from members of the Southeast Asian communities residing in Taiwan. There have been significant debates regarding the interactions between Taiwanese individuals and these groups, and I am interested in gaining a deeper understanding of these complex issues

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Yes, I will make a video to talk about Southeast Asian in Taiwan soon

[@glock2040]

中華民國🇹🇼外交部必須好好檢討此問題，畢竟外國朋友都已經住在中華民國🇹🇼那麼久了，大家都愛臺灣都是一家人。

[@trsdesrn5246]

on the scale of one to ten! Finally! you've been improving so quickly, keep on going bro!

[@JayChenTaiwan]

haha thanks bro 😎

[@user-qi5fu1jt5o]

對於國籍的取得，台灣面對的國際環境真的很複雜，我相信一定能想出好的辦法的

[@JayChenTaiwan]

台灣加油

[@cooliipie]

Taiwan needs to make earning a citizenship possible, especially after living there for 10+ years. It will definitely help the declining birth rate.

[@travelabrupt]

Wow I met Daniel on New Year's Day in Taipei he's a fast runner, such a lovely guy to chat to

[@TheEagledove]

Great video. I enjoyed watching. Nice to see Taiwan from your videos. Thanks. 😊

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Glad you like it 😄

[@mlcsj9162]

期盼台灣政府能協助在台灣長期居住的外國朋友能儘快取得台灣國籍👍

[@user-bc4nn3ub8c]

他們要取得中華民國國籍不難啊 問題是他們不肯放棄自己原本的國籍 所以拿居留證罷了，所以主因是在於要不要承認雙重國籍

[@jasonsedor5676]

Great vid Jay! If you want to expand upon the citizenship topic, consider tracking down some of the many adult "foreigners" that were born in Taiwan... who even speak Taiwanese... they aren't too hard to find.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Glad you like it. Thanks for your advise 😎

[@yilingxu1086]

這位南非太太真的帶出一個很好的思考點，她的女兒在台灣出生成長屬於台灣的一部分，卻始終被認定為外國人？這的確給我們台灣移民政策一個很好的討論焦點⋯

[@eddy5380]

Taiwan is very beautiful, people are friendly and it’s also a relatively safe country.

[@user-fg3np4io8i]

這影片有義意太棒了，台灣需要這種正面的傳播，希望台灣的人民珍惜台灣擁有的民主、自由、開放、人權，不被中華人民共合國侵略。希望台灣明天更好，天佑台灣！台灣加油！

[@calvintang398]

因為一旦成為台灣公民，那麼就獲得投票權，足以影響台灣未來。目前台灣的處境夾在美中衝突的最前緣，再加上中國各種間諜在全球活動，以國安角度來看要放鬆移民獲得公民權的政策確實存在很大風險，而且目前還沒任何技術可控制範圍，畢竟人心不可回測 全球社會跟中國經貿和其他關係密切，至少這個時候還不足以讓台灣放下警戒心。

[@Hannahhuan32]

問題是兩岸三地的法規通常是獨立出來的吧，從小出生長大的真的需要有不同的管道....

[@calvintang398]

@@Hannahhuan32 有種東西叫洗產地。這種做法能把實體人類算在其中。核心中的核心是思想的傳播。就算土生土長的台灣人(其父母也是)都會被共產黨思想渲染，更何況其父母是來自非台灣地區的人。 共產黨渲染的思想是利用人性的弱點來做反噬。譬如不切實際地對美好未來想像/不擇手段達到目的/崇尚特權等等

[@chun-chehuang7146]

就算要開放，也不能是那種一出生就變台灣人，然後父母可以依親。這樣會有大量中國人偷渡來台或非法滯留生小孩。 應該還要加上在台灣完成義務教育的條件，才可認可為台灣人吧 !!

[@Hannahhuan32]

@@calvintang398 你都說台灣地區了😅😅 我是覺得很多台現有公民自己的認同都有待加強，個人覺得要有正式管道但配套上當然要做足。

[@calvintang398]

@@Hannahhuan32 1)日本地區美洲地區等等那樣的意思啦，不用那麼敏感啦。過度敏感是導致人類粉紅化，直接跳過嘗試理解和理性階段到情緒的階段作為思考模式。這非常危險 2)"認同"這東西主要成分是物質生活+精神認同。台灣人剛好缺乏後者，也不了解其重要性，因為台灣人特性只注重在cp值。

[@ceotw3463]

So true…it’s about time that Taiwan’s government should do something about it!

[@sqinnn]

The guy sounds so indebted to Taiwan. I do hope they are able to get their citizenships, especially for their little girl.

[@cosatech]

非常穩重的youtuber條例清晰情緒平穩展現紳士與禮貌，應該被納入財經或新聞台主持人，期待🙏 尊敬🙏

[@JayChenTaiwan]

過獎了 還在持續學習！

[@user-ru7tl3ih9l]

It's great topic, Jay, keep moving and go ahead !

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Thanks man 😎

[@user-ru7tl3ih9l]

@@JayChenTaiwan you’re welcome, go ahead! I like your post, happy weekends!

[@humairaahmed6979]

Love all your content😊

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Thank you😊

[@a516088]

真的要不怕接納外國人加入國際，人口多元，社會的多元思考方式就不會只偏向單一種族的思考!!!

[@ANDY-ve5mo]

內容跟深度越做越棒 喜歡跟享受看您的影片，謝謝辛苦了支持您加油♤♤♤

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝支持😊

[@jzoll0922]

很讚的訪談，主持人的英語說的很得體很好；加油！

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝☺

[@user-bv4df9vc9b]

感覺台灣要國際化，必須改變觀念與做法，除顯現敵人外，台灣應該立法合乎情理法

[@tsaivikki3293]

國際化.？那看看日本韓國或美國或德法英國的做法，外國人那麼容易拿到國籍嗎？

[@shonnasmiles6156]

Nooo at the end you tried to get him in trouble with the girlfriend question 😂 right in front of his wife 😭

[@JayChenTaiwan]

😂

[@brittanyleeful]

The only con for me was air pollution and being so far from family. Everything else was wonderful.

[@enisten]

What part of Taiwan has air pollution? I'm planning to visit with my mom, who has just finished her chemotherapy and I'm a bit worried about the air pollution in Taiwan that I keep hearing about.

[@maxwu1656]

外國人的小孩在台出生到上小學都在台灣，應該直接給予國籍，或是更開放給予15年以上父母國籍不用放棄原籍。 像這種一直生活在台灣也願意入籍的應該給予管道，而不是像目前港澳條例，開一個門給中國港人方便卻每天被嫌，還是國安大漏洞。

[@JayChenTaiwan]

從小學習台灣的文化,語言 ,卻還是外國人身分,怎麼看都是非常怪. 應該要開放管道給在這裡出生長大的小孩子,因為她就是台灣人

[@user-il4ih7fx9n]

真的！！！

[@zoe-vv2tc]

如果可以有另方式讓總統或賴清德先生和移民署的人知道，希望讓他們知道台灣有這樣困難的存在~可以更改台灣現狀留人材

[@RKW208]

Jay大 加油了！ 民視應該很愛這種議題 請傳統媒體發聲有時候比較快～

[@sosmoothsoslappy]

還有公視

[@user-kr6jg5we6j]

有點困難，必盡他們的任期只到今年底！

[@Cat-vc4zu]

我記得好多年前就有在討論這個了，但是藍綠長期都擱著不處理。

[@a0932600372]

​@@pianter1357反而一些陸配的問題還不少😅

[@willywonka4340]

it sounds to me that Taiwan's immigration laws are remnants of the former Colonial rulers (Japanese empire) and the KMT of Chiang Kai-shek's days. Both ruling entities equate citizenship with ethnicity, and based on ancestral family registry rather than national identity. I think this interview should make its way to Taiwan's immigration ministry, to let them know that it's time for a reform, and perhaps Taiwan should hold a nationwide referendum to approve better immigration laws to help out the new "residents" of Taiwan. The demographics of Taiwan has been declining and is on a fast track to become Japan 2.0. If Taiwan is to survive well into the 21st century and beyond as an economic powerhouse, a western democracy Style immigration policy is the only viable option.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Yes,the demographics of Taiwan has been declining and young generation they don't want to have a kid either

[@user-xn2vu2qb4s]

好心疼那位母親

[@s888865]

談入籍也要一視同仁，對長期付出的外籍藍領移工也要適用，不是只有白領白人

[@mazdanuch]

移民的政策真的是不太合理 因為我也是異國婚姻 也面臨這樣的問題 希望將來可以解決這些問題

[@kimchihsnu]

字幕將受訪者Liesl的母語翻譯為非洲語，建議改為「南非荷蘭語」（Afrikaans）較準確

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝你的建議🙏

[@eircleenb]

權利跟義務是相對的，這牽扯到兵役或選舉權之類的問題，本國人跟外國人本來就不一樣，雙標是正常的，很多國家都是這樣。不過還是讚成，可以適度的放寬規定，尤其是從小在台灣長大的孩子。

[@user-ng3nn2iz8l]

這很值得討論,越來越多的外國人到台灣定居,在台灣結婚生子,孕育下一代,他們的子女接受台灣文化長大,若是無法擁有台灣的國籍,應該會蠻遺憾的.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

同意 然後台灣人自己生育率越來越低

[@user-bc4nn3ub8c]

關於國籍問題 屬人或屬地其實並非重點 問題在於 你贊不贊成雙重國籍或是多重國籍 這是問題的根本 其他都是衍生的問題而已 小孩子也不是問題 因為等到18歲 他還是可以選擇台灣國籍放棄其他國籍 ，那麼 單一國籍與多重國籍的利弊 才是重點 台灣不是不能接受外國友人入籍 而是有條件入籍 只不過為了個人因素 有的人不接受罷了 這不是缺點 而是國家管理的政策 再者永久居留權都有了 有啥好抱怨？該有的權利都差不多有了 不是嗎？

[@hummylady]

希望&強烈建議這主題開發一個系列 甚少(媒體)人做&很有意義很有意思

[@kentvicky]

這頻道很不錯，很會訪談，又可以學英文，讚👍

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝你

[@m40588]

台灣有個yt雷提娜的2個弟弟是在台灣出生長大的 所以那2個弟弟就可以拿到永久居留證了喔！ 在台灣出生長大的小孩到18歲 不需要離開台灣 也可以拿到永久居留證 因為有雷提娜條款保障台灣出生長大的外國人的。 是到18歲時可以選擇要拿台灣身份證就必須要放棄原國籍的2選1，如果不要拿台灣身份證 只是要拿永久居留證的話 就不需要放棄原國籍了。

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝你的資訊😎 不過我覺得要拿身分證就要放棄原國籍, 台灣人卻可以去國外拿雙重國籍,這是雙重標準 . 即使小孩拿到永久居留證-->身分還是等於外國人, 我覺得對於接受台灣義務教育的小孩並不公平, 因為思想文化都是台灣塑造的,但你認定他是外國人住在這裡, 即使可以留在台灣生活, 實質意義還是不一樣.

[@m40588]

@@JayChenTaiwan 成年之後的選擇權力在於他個人 等到他成人時自己選擇想當那一個國家的人 我覺得不會不公平啊！ 如果他不想放棄父母國家的國籍 又要拿台灣身份證 這樣你覺得比較公平嗎？ 如果受教於台灣文化 出生一直到成年之後都只適應台灣生活 那為什麼不直接就選擇台灣國籍？ 為什麼非要擁有雙重國籍？ 想擁有雙重國籍的人 心裡想到的都是自私自利的方便性 個人的與福利性 這樣對任何一個國家才不公平咧！ 心裡面對兩個國家 根本就沒有認同感 也更沒有歸屬感啊！

[@user-iq3th7bu8r]

@@m40588 認同。

[@taylortan5815]

我也讚成台灣的移民政策可以開始用正面的角度邁向World citizens 的方向 我是住在美國的台灣人 也是疫情期間才發現原來要幫自己的兒子辦理台灣的身份非常的不容易 放棄國籍才能成為擁有台灣的國籍 我也感到非常的驚訝

[@mandywu123]

@@JayChenTaiwan 每一個國家的規定都不盡相同，為什麼我們一定要跟美國一樣，給他們永久居留權不也一樣可以自由留在台灣嗎？

[@acevergreen]

I am very surprised to hear this. I am a dual citizen of Taiwan and Australia. I hold the passport of both countries. I have recently renewed my Taiwan passport at a conulate in Melbourne.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

It’s double standard right ?

[@acevergreen]

Not saying it is double standard. Taiwan allows dual citizenship. So when I heard the interviewees saying they need to surrender their country of origin citizenship I am not sure how that could happen. May be I am missing something.

[@user-ei5rx9bc8r]

her first language is afrikaans not africans lol, afrikaans is in simple terms Dutch and german mixed together

[@user-cq9ri6ps2z]

謝陳先生用心

[@waynelai354]

Hm, I didn't know this was the case that foreign citizens must first renounce their other citizenship. Maybe it is a security measure although I am not sure how effective it would be for that purpose. Taiwan has improved tremendously since these two came to the island. It was a huge leap from 80s to mid 2000s, but in this period post 2006 many things have also improved that make the place much more livable. It is in a somewhat unique situation of low cost of living but high standard of living with great medical care place. Foreign threats aside, I am not sure how long it will remain in this balance. Many other countries don't have this perfect balance. I can see why many people would want to live there permanently. It does get too hot in the summer, but we can't change that. Salaries are too low, but if they were to rise as fast as other countries the cost of living may also go up. Anyway, hope foreigners continue to be treated well in Taiwan since I am a foreigner too :)

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Taiwan is a unique exist in Asia 💪

[@dennisleao100]

很有深度的採訪

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝你

[@guanyuchien7577]

感謝演算法讓我知道這個這麼棒的頻道🎉

[@JayChenTaiwan]

你這樣我都害羞了☺ 謝謝你

[@clark750318]

第一次看訪問真的很棒

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝你

[@obinachukwu3157]

You’re doing a good job broda

[@ting2hung]

We shall learn from Singapore where they grant PR for foreigners who work or reside for a period of time

[@xxoo6303]

❤～ 看似簡單一個❤，那可是我盡了一生評論之功力～集大成最高級的一種！😁

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝你的支持 😌

[@xxoo6303]

❤

[@user-ct8ji1uu5z]

Daniel耶，我是您ACES帶第一個畢業班級學生Jerry的媽媽，期待您夫妻跟寶貝能早日成為正港的台灣人。 其實Daniel老師還會說一點點台語的呦。

[@JayChenTaiwan]

這麼酷

[@user-ct8ji1uu5z]

他曾經在日本參加賞櫻旅遊團的時候，在一群用台語討論日本櫻花美景的台灣歐巴桑面前突然冒出一句台語，嚇死一群人

[@mamiss2007]

謝謝您願意投身做這樣有意義的訪談，加油（希望影片名稱可以英文和中文一起下在標題上，這樣更有機會讓全世界看到）

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝支持 觀眾切換語系就看的到英文標題了～ 不用擔心🌈

[@user-cy3vh7vs3q]

is nice great talking

[@indietaiwan]

依現行法規在子女成年後還可以用雷提娜條款申請六年延長居留，然後還要在這段期間用其他方式取得居留權，真的是很麻煩，不過在這十幾年間應該也有滿大機會修法的，隨著移入台灣的外國人變多，新二代人數增加，讓整個社會都更能習慣"外國人"變"台灣人"這件事，修法就會水到渠成了

[@JayChenTaiwan]

確實, 現在路上看到外國人面孔, 台灣人會認為對方是"外國人"

[@sungyentsai4442]

wow 15 years and 17 years...that's a looong time.

[@chengyeh1061]

台灣要接受外籍人士入籍的程序必須再加油。

[@georgelien]

Thank you for bringing up this issue >__< This is something Taiwan legal system will have address in very near future

[@JayChenTaiwan]

It's my pleasure

[@jhaohenghu]

新住民的身分證真的是一個很重要的問題 我也不太懂為什麼政府這麼嚴格 但卻讓一堆人老是飛往國外，在國外住的很爽，需要健保的時候，才回國 台灣真的需要願意留下來深耕的人才

[@xxoo6303]

帥Jay，你有沒發覺，無論一年四季，我們總比老外多穿一件。😂

[@JayChenTaiwan]

我怕冷😆

[@stevenhuang3373]

現在真的已經是地球村的世界了，外國的朋友真的想要居住在台灣，我瞭解有很多復雜的問題，但如果往簡單的角度去想，讓外國朋友有台灣國籍，對台灣沒有害處啊，我覺得可憐的是在台灣出生的外國小孩，在台灣成長，也溶入台灣的文化，算是個土生土長的台灣人了，就像影片的媽媽講的，等到小孩長大居留證又到期，難道要驅逐出境嗎？那這個小孩要去那？希望台灣政府能趕緊拿出好的政策，讓有心要留在台灣的外國朋友能安心居住在台灣。

[@Choco95]

真的 我聽到她那樣說的時候快哭了。希望台灣可以盡快解決外籍人士想入籍的問題，讓台灣成為他們的家

[@chinazidie4393]

這說淦話吧，不想放棄外國籍卻又想拿台灣身份證? 口中愛台灣的人很多!YT上多到不能再多了，但說到為台灣打仗，只會換來一句，干我外國人屁事 只想享受這個國家的福利，卻不想盡這個國家的義務? 為何要為了這些人特地開一個門?不是事情都拿有利自己的來說! 說個難聽的，戰爭的時候，願不願意上戰場為台灣打仗? 還是這時候就又變我是外國人了? 某些台灣人拿雙重國籍我們沒辦法限制，因為有些外國他們有開放 如果外國有限制雙重國籍，你看那些拿雙重國籍的台灣人會不會放棄台灣國籍， 跟你說99%會，台灣不是沒有戰爭的風險，只想享受卻不想盡義務 那勸你們還是當過在台外國人就好

[@Bear-power]

看了所有留言就你最中肯，小朋友長大認同台灣認為自己是台灣人就選擇台灣國籍，大家並沒又想到深一層權利義務的問題，台灣男生有服兵役的義務，該不會開放雙重國籍就國籍自助餐，沒事台灣人 打仗時就變成美國人要撤僑走了

[@beforeafter324]

其實我很想知道他們知不知道拿台灣身份證後強制要在台灣當兵

[@giant16610181]

大家都會想一腳踏兩船!哪邊好往哪裡鑽不是嗎？(※福利與義務的選擇)

[@user-he4fw7sl2t]

APRC 的議題沒有人提修法，真可惜。

[@JustinLee791228]

台灣目前的土地以及國安問題，是否適合將這個管道擴大，我覺得修改放寬的機率比較低，看看不久前的香港移民族群抱憾離開的例子，其餘依量遞減，應該都有類似情形，台灣應該比較不適合像歐美等擁有比台灣更多領土的國家那般使用屬地/屬人主義去套用。

[@JayChenTaiwan]

歡迎大家來討論 ~

[@user-dg9eq3dk6d]

在台灣生活10年以上加上也學了語言基本上已經很認同台灣 ,小孩也在台灣生活就學數年就應該給予條件身分證 , 要不然小孩到底是屬於哪一個國家 ,這樣很漂泊沒歸屬感的身份真的很沒未來. 既然民主自由法治國家應該也有方法條件做改變 ,讓願意來台灣居住不僅僅是住或者說是有什麼貢獻之類的事

[@koko-melonpan]

同意✅歐洲國家未成年的國籍法律都完全獨立出來，通常在當地連續居住且受教育超過5-8年就能拿到國籍或永居簽證

[@chiwoolee4795]

Jay，你的采访越做越好了有机会一定要去台湾生活一下🥺

[@chiwoolee4795]

最近几期加了中文字幕👍很棒😄

[@JayChenTaiwan]

感謝支持 歡迎你來玩😎

[@markjohnson4632]

@JayChen Taiwan. great video, i am also from south africa but i have UK and SA citizenship, been here 25 years in engineering. definitely a major issue here regarding citizenship especially if foreign couple have kids. Taiwan is very welcoming and friendly and easy to make friends but there is always a wall that you cannot seem to cross, and you are often reminded that you are an outsider. what really irritates me is banks in Taiwan. defiantly need to improve their customer service to foreigners. i have been with my bank here for 20 years and when i go into the bank i still get referred to as the foreigner. banks advertise English services but it's pretty nonexistent unless you bank with a foreign bank. Also our APRC ID numbers dont work on online platforms and the government changed all our ID numbers to be the same format as Taiwanese, however many online booking platforms, or banking platforms dont accept forerigners ID numbers, I also feel Taiwanese think they are very open minded but actually they are not especially when it comes to international affairs and thier attitude towards forerigners, and local treatment of foreigners and immigrants from other Asian countries, there will always be this outsider attitude and i have met some racist Taiwanese as well. I call it the Truth behind the Fake smile! In general life in Taiwan is great, score i would say 8 out of 10, but we will always feel as outsiders and Taiwanese are always quite naive, they think we are here as guests working temporarily and then they expect us to go back to our home countries, they don't really understand why some of us westerners actually may want to retire here.

[@JayChenTaiwan]

Glad you like it

[@yunglingchen5637]

很特別的分享！

[@JayChenTaiwan]

謝謝 😀

[@user-rj4wj2ts1m]

量變->質（法）變，須要時間養成，也須要更多志士（不論本土外籍）長期發聲耕耘，終會有竟成之日。

[@user-gd2wk2sk9i]

是需要修改一下法規了

[@fxx317]

但對我們有敵意的國家，卻那麼容易拿到身分證這真的是件怪事

[@JayChenTaiwan]

嗯...值得深思的問題

[@user-dg9eq3dk6d]

陸配我們工作有接觸 , 覺得她們的思想不是那麼單純 ,工作相處模式比較強勢 ,甚至說話方式也較犀利 , 只因為她們是中國大陸來的就容易取得國籍 , 有些陸配她們並不是愛台灣只是想讓中國人羨慕她 ,所以為了能來台灣而想辦法認識台灣人而嫁來台灣 ,一方面是為了福利 ,當然台灣絕對是比大陸言論自由安全 . 外籍取得身份証應該要一樣的平等 ,尤其還學了中文孩子都生活在台灣. 大陸籍的生活10年還有家鄉口音 ,比不上一個學中文的外國人...真的覺得有些外國人真的很喜歡台灣才留在這裡

[@user-zc5dk2yq3r]

很好的訪問，很好的問題。批評吧！抗議吧！讓人民讓政府知道你們的需求，盡量改善好的政策跟環境。

[@taiwaninsider8919]

Basically, you do have to give up your original citizenship, but you can re-apply for it after acquiring Taiwan citizenship. There may be a few showy programmes intended to impress Western countries whereby 'talented professionals' who make a contribution to Taiwan are allowed dual nationality, but that's not likely to ever become mainstream. Most east Asian nations don't recognise dual nationality, and the reason is the question of loyalty; this is a big one in the case of Taiwan. This is not likely to ever get much easier than it is now and it's already light years easier than it was in the 1980s. If you're concerned about travel, I don't see why you should any problem with a Taiwan passport. A few years ago I travelled to about a dozen countries on my Taiwan passport. Some, like Singapore, Malaysia, Japan and so on I didn't need a visa for; others I needed a visa but it was very straightforward (I think in the case of Australia it was arranged within 24 hours by a travel agency and cost me about NT$400).

[@7ccmail]

台灣政府一直沒有解決外國人長期居住台灣的國籍問題,尤其是在台灣出生 在台灣接受教育長大的國籍問題,對這些小孩很不友善!

[@tsaivikki3293]

那也要贊成東南亞勞工可以在台生子就有台灣籍

[@7ccmail]

@@tsaivikki3293 我贊成東南亞勞工可以在台灣生子,出生的子女即是台灣國籍,台灣人生育率越來越低,需要增加年輕人口,不用擔心財政負擔問題,多人多福氣,台灣有能力解決! 越多人向政府與立委反應,政府就會注重!

[@KoalaHuman_]

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[@JayChenTaiwan]

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