Takedown defence in Wing Tsun (wing chun)

A brief introduction to the theory and practice of takedown defence in Wing Tsun (wing chun) (LWT023). For more information: www.londonwt.com

[@lewislyles2342]

I get what Gracie’s say, but ground fighting in the streets is ridiculous. Hence the dangers you mentioned. Great video Sifu.

[@WSLwcdragon]

Have you tried these techniques against an mma opponent in a sparring session? the timing, power and force would very different... Once they contact your legs there's not much hope. I like your stuff though. Keep the videos coming!

[@sportmuaythaiv1045]

Do you see the fatal flaws of Wing Chun? The face and neck not protected by the guard stance The floating face is an invitation to a KO. Chin should be tucked in and protected. Sparring partner very compliance.

[@paklee630]

The takedown in this video is too slow and incorrect. There is no power at all😅 I’m a wing tsun guy and have tried taking a double leg takedown in sparring. There‘s not much hope when he contacts my body and legs (he is much heavier than me btw). A true double leg takedown is not just grabbing the leg but crashing into the body.

[@londonwt]

Indeed Sir - yes it is very different training with a pro fighter!

[@florisvanlingen]

I say this respectfully but this takedown defence is rubbish. Wing-Chun was designed for a sudden violent encounter, not combat sports. Although a single or double leg takedown can be effective(1v1 I'd even say it's often more effective than striking) it's not the best strategy for self defense, due to multiple reasons. Don't make up your own defense and act like it's in the system. If someone goes for a double leg takedown you either sprawl or at least you remove the front leg. Just stepping back is not enough. Preffereably when you sprawl you control the back of their head with a Pak Sau esque action and you actually palm strike the back of your own hand. This might seem a bit weird, but try it out. This defense comes from the Wong Shun Leung/ Barry Lee lineage, taught to me by Bill Dowding in a seminar.

[@TroyCheetham]

Please have more respect for grapplers and wong shun leung

[@indefenceofthetraditionalma]

Please take a look at the sandhagen fight from last night and ask yourself if you think your striking approach (‘illegal’ strikes or not) would have any chance. I feel like I’m these kinds of tutorials it would be best to be honest. This is our approach and we hope to never have to deal with a trained mma fighter.

[@londonwt]

Agreed Sir - as discussed in the video this would not necessarily prevent a committed takedown, especially against a pro...

[@kirijiujitsubattambang]

First off I respect what you are trying to do and I am all for it. However here comes the harsh criticisms, in the spirit of trying to help you improve in your Idea. 1) You make the same mistakes as many Martial Artists did in 1993 after the first UFC. For the past 30 years people have been working on takedown defence, and it is still the sprawl (for a reason). You will waste too much time trying to make a technique work rather than just using a technique that works (proven countless times) . 2) There were no actual takedown attempts done on this day, no realistic shoot attempts done either. If you are to go up against a trained wrestler, Judoka, or BJJ you'll be in for big surprise and not in a good way. You very well may want connection to your opponent but so do they. They will have superior understanding of what to do as they not do anything else. The fact you train strikes means your time is divided, Theirs is not. I suggest you ask an actual wrestler/MMA/No Gi trained person to help you. Then you can see why you idea won't work and where you need to make changes for it to work. 3) If you are thinking that someone one street with no knowledge of these takedowns would attempt them again that is wrong as they will just grab you and try to man handle you to the ground. If you are doing this for street self defence then stick with maintaining distance so you can strike. 3) Saying that you'll use strikes to the throat and neck mean nothing if you have no experience on actually doing these strikes and seeing their reaction. You cannot rely on students and class mates that share your opinion. If you are skilled enough to hurt, then you need to be skilled enough to not hurt as well. The Wing Chun fighters of HK and Shanghai go to Muay Thai, MMA and Sanda gyms to train their full contact, not for techniques but for learning their timing against people who punch in a different way (no one who isn't specifically trained will use chain punches right?). These Wing Chun guys and girls use the sprawl to defend single and double leg takedowns. Their instructors encourage it as then they do not get taken down and can can use certain strikes from that position as well. I would say that you aren't training to beat noobies and thugs, but to defeat trained and skill opponents. Speak to an MMA coach (we aren't as bad many traditional artists think) I am sure they'd help you in a respectful manner. As I said I support what you are doing, and I think you should keep going. But you need help to do this properly, so you know your techniques work on everyone and not just your students and classmates. Peace brother and keep up the good work. (I hope I convey my thoughts respectfully, no insult is meant. As a long term Hung Gar Keun trainer I sincerely wish you the best in this) Liked and Subbed.

[@londonwt]

Peace brother - some good comments here

[@kirijiujitsubattambang]

@@londonwt I made some of these comments before I saw your other videos, In which you are doing some of the things I said. Our systems are sister styles and share many similar principles and techniques. These were the "modern styles" back in the day and it is right for them to modernize them again. I use some of my Chin Na from BJJs closed and open guard. And Yes escaping mount is a big deal. I'd add escaping side control to the list as it is also a common position that people get stuck in when they go the floor.