Taking a look at the new Volvo Electric Equipment at the Utility Equipment Expo. My thoughts.

[@letsdig18]

Im Presences is so strong just standing in the background he calls you chris LOL

[@DirtPerfect]

Lol I know right

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

I think you permeated his brain!!

[@bourbonthebiscuit]

You see Chris they just can't forget a volvo fleet owner and operator 🤣😅

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

About 35 years ago I bought a rechargeable Craftsman drill. I took it out to a river cabin we were rehabbing. My buddies marveled as I was drilling the holes in the sheet metal. It sped up the siding installation and prevented the finger mashing that we always got trying to start the nails. Since then, they have all bought into battery tools. Just imagine what they’d think if I pulled up with that excavator in tow!!

[@maxobara1496]

Nice to have that electric inside a building for sure. 👍🇺🇸

[@jeffreykbevins7116]

Thanks Mike and Matt !!! This was a great informative video about the electric equipment. I can think of lots of places that people can really use this new electric equipment. And they both seemed to operate great and have good power and like you said this is the future. It's great that you took the time to do this and put the information out here for all of us to see and share your experience of getting to run to them. Thanks again !!! Be careful and stay safe and see you all in the next video. As always, Jeffrey !!!

[@mischef18]

I operated battery forklifts many years ago and the noise of the pumps bought back memories. Safe travels

[@reedburke7762]

More fun! Thanks Mike.

[@erikcourtney1834]

I’m waiting to see a 3,000lb capacity skid steer in electric. Using them indoors and in confined spaces daily gets loud and polluted.

[@CentralMississippiWhitetail]

We are going backwards in productivity. This is equivalent to the steam shovel

[@6582rg]

Biden, or Brandon.

[@louroberts5567]

AGREED!

[@spudgamer6049]

If the performance is indeed similar to the diesel,(and I don't see any reason for DP not to be honest about that) then the biggest issue for productivity is run time. And that is a pretty big issue, for sure. Really limits their niche. However, to be fair to Volvo, they aren't marketing this for general use, they are currently aiming at that niche market. If they can improve the runtime, or make the battery pack interchangeable like on a cordless power tool, they can expand their market, perhaps even into areas previously held by propane. Unfortunately, all you can do about the nuts, too many in government, who thing these are a simple replacement for IC engines as they sit, is educate the ignorant ones, and vote against the dogmatic ones.

[@Crewsy]

@@spudgamer6049 The important thing to consider is that electric is not the replacement for ICE powered machines……YET. But as DP mentioned there are instances where an electric machine may be the only choice right now and if manufacturers don’t work on development of them now then we will never have an alternative in the future.

[@jbbuzzable]

I disagree. Since customers will not tolerate reduced productivity, the product will fail if not viable. Come back in five years and tell us how well your prediction has held up.

[@paulr5875]

Thanks for the education Mike!

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks for watching

[@joemascioni3101]

I guess they would have their place in certain circumstances. I once toured an electric dragline in a coal strip job. It was large enough that it had it's own power sub-station that it was hooked to. And it actually walked on 6 legs. Pretty amazing to see and ride in.

[@davestynes]

I wonder how long the batteries will last before you have to swap them out and also the cost to replace them ?

[@DirtPerfect]

Not for sure

[@michaelleblanc3363]

Or how much do they cost when you do need to replace the them!

[@jbbuzzable]

I don't know about this machine, but in the Tesla cars, The batteries are supposed to go about 300K miles. Replacement costs are unknown, in my opinion. I've heard anywhere from $5K to 16K.

[@martineastburn3679]

Small farm with forks and bucket - ideal to get hay out of truck and to clean out areas... Nice small and could use solar array to charge from time to time.

[@geraldheitman7687]

My issue with Electric construction equipment is how many of your job sites D.P. have power available to you. Last thing you want to do is take equipment to shop every night to charge !!

[@kevinpoore5626]

They just want you to buy a generator so you can drag it around which makes up for the admissions the equipment's not making LOL

[@erikcourtney1834]

Thats a huge concern. I mentioned that on Chris’s channel and some kids was trying to argue with me about it.

[@spudgamer6049]

To be fair to Volvo, they aren't marketing this to someone with DP's or LD's business models. They seem aware they have a niche product, and are apparently aiming at that niche.

[@erikcourtney1834]

@@spudgamer6049 for sure. No way your going out and clearing land or digging a pond with one of these. It would take forever and very inefficient. There made for small jobs and/or electricity nearby. But they are getting there feet wet with there name out there with electric equipment. Petroleum engines will never be replaced

[@jbbuzzable]

As with anything, you need to match the equipment to the job. I wouldn't expect a compact car to pull my 5th wheel.

[@grilnam9945]

Where can I get a shirt like that guys wearing at 11:29? Separately it would be great if you could get a similar deal with Volvo like you did with Hyundai for a while.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes sir

[@DirtPerfect]

And his web site

[@grilnam9945]

@@DirtPerfect just as long as MBTS doesn’t get jealous of this new double act you and Chris are starting.

[@harryellingsworth8302]

Biggest issue will be charging on the Job Site, which most of the time has no Electric, and the equipment most of the time stays there for days or weeks, and running a Gen Unit at night will not work out well, lets see how this plays out over the next 2 years or so. Interesting we have battery powered Forklifts in the warehouse for a long time, charging in 3 hours or overnight no big deal.

[@TheGwflow]

It’s the same with electric cars the charging infrastructure isn’t here in the us like in Europe

[@lloydconner3034]

It depends on the batteries type some 5 years and others 10 years. Half that if you run them dead and other are dead if you run them dead. I don't know I have yanmar diesel and it is a 1986 and still runs great.

[@nigelbrooks3606]

By the way Mike I’ve have and still are learning more from you each day using my equipment. In fact the farmers around me can’t believe the amount of Earth I can move in a day with a 3.5 ton Kubota excavator 😂So thanks👍

[@Crewsy]

The most important question not answered is will the loader lift high enough to load Lt. Dan?

[@DirtPerfect]

Lol good ?

[@stuartlafrancis1371]

Would have love a machine like this 25 years ago ,to use in a factory

[@SandBoxJohn]

Can the trackhoe be run with the charging cable connected to the charger? As in running the machine in a stationary position drawing power from the grid. Seem if you could do that one could operate it more hours between normal chargings.

[@DirtPerfect]

Not for sure but don’t think so

[@SandBoxJohn]

@@DirtPerfect Thanks.

[@Biggs58]

Wild that the electric is so powerful in that application. You said it seems slower, if you set the RPM higher would that help with the speed of the bucket? Still looks like a solid unit for work.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes it wood for sure

[@dalecherry4044]

You watched Chris run them. Told you everything you needed to know. Just kidding. Two perspectives from two pros. Great job Mike.

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks

[@scottsime5197]

No air/conditioning?

[@DirtPerfect]

No sir

[@islipfdchief]

A/C and heat are good questions to ask.

[@HootMaRoot]

It's amazing how far behind the west is in electric equipment compared to China. JCB and volvo have been been getting huge grants in China and not just from the government there, they have excavators and other equipment 3x the size wheeled and tracked out there in preproduction models being tested. And a couple of years ago we had a few channels getting demos of the excavator you tried I guess they best work in a city environment where you want reduced noise and 3 phase electricity is easy to plug into

[@6582rg]

What about price comparison? Electric is more expensive at this point?

[@jbbuzzable]

I assume it is. It is true with cars, but it is expected that price parity with be within a couple of years.

[@ramtuff2007]

Awesome new. Equipment

[@lloydconner3034]

How you going to charge them with a windmill or solar. The other thing I think in the long run it is going to cost more.

[@jbbuzzable]

You charge with whatever power source the local grid provides. Although the purchase price of EVs are currently higher, the total cost of owner is lower.

[@jbro779]

Seems like it’s best for equipment that stays close to home or is hauled back home after every job. For companies who have equipment sit on a job for a while I’m not sure the best way to make sure it’s charged up when you get back to that job to use it.

[@dvdadaudits7500]

Soon your service truck will be electric

[@randytravis3998]

just a thought will it run when it is plugged in ?? get a long power cord , put a generator on the roof of the unit could run all day ..lol battery go's dead and your in a bad spot for the unit and need to get it to a safe spot to charge .. great video ..

[@marilynwarner5871]

The only problem I have with using electric is the power grid! On the gulf coast of Texas we couldn’t handle 5 days of freezing weather! Our homes & farms here don’t have anything close to handle the power needed! Just my point of view!

[@jbbuzzable]

The power grid needs serious upgrades in a lot of regions. It should be a priority.

[@drewdaskievige754]

The only thing they didn't mention is the comparative price for the cost of charging and the cost of Diesel fuel.

[@DirtPerfect]

Good point

[@Jacked97Ram]

Couple questions- 1 how do they make up for the weight offset? (Excavator) The diesel helps with counterweight do they just add heavier counter? 2 - how do the batteries hold up in cold? If parked for a week at freezing or below freezing temps will it lose charge? Thanks!

[@DirtPerfect]

Batteries or heavier

[@jbbuzzable]

Higher weight is one of enemies of battery adoption, as is cold weather performance. To be fair, one must also consider the positives.

[@vic745]

Do you have to plug it in to charge it? Or does it have like an alternator to charge itself? I'm clueless when it comes to electric vehicles

[@DirtPerfect]

You have to plug it in

[@jbbuzzable]

Nothing has the ability to charge itself. Energy or matter can't be created or destroyed. Everything comes at a cost.

[@jacksak]

How long does it take to recharge batteries every 4 to 6 hours? All this does is relocate the source of emmissions. i.e. what about all the emmissions caused by small and large power plants used to create energy to fuel these machines? And, what about mining for battery materials and battery manufacturing facilities?

[@jacksak]

All this does is put distance between the equipment end user and the remote sources of energy to make environmentalists feel clean.

[@spudgamer6049]

Large scale power generation combined with good motors, even after considering transmission losses, tend to be more efficient than IC engines, so you're both moving and shrinking the tailpipe with these machines, if you're charging from the grid. Now, the above does not consider the environmental inpact of the manufacture of the electrical system, especially the batteries, vs the impact of manufacturing the diesel engine. Nor does it address the possibility of charging via generator, where the efficiency of the big power plants is lost.

[@jacksak]

@@spudgamer6049 I understand your comparisons. But, I believe many people are being short-sighted regarding electric conversions, because they don't consider the downstream and long-term, unintended consequences of this and other technology today.

[@jbbuzzable]

You need to brush up on your facts.

[@rogerkerkmann]

@@jbbuzzable I'd rather spend five bucks on electric than50 bucks on diesel plus air filters plus oil filters plus fuel filters plus def😱🤔😁🇺🇸

[@6dkershaw]

Do they have AC and heaters? If so, how do run them?

[@DirtPerfect]

Heat yes no ac

[@AnyFishWillDo]

What is the life span of the batteries before they need to be replaced? Enjoyed the educational video on these machines.

[@jbbuzzable]

You might need to ask Volvo about that. I really don't know, but I think they have a pretty good battery source. I know that Tesla estimates their battery life to be about 300K miles in their cars.

[@lowermichigan4437]

Can it be charged from a generator if needed?

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes

[@trolling4dollars816]

So you are a Farmer Chris tile job, how do you charge it?

[@DirtPerfect]

Depends on the job and field

[@jbbuzzable]

@@DirtPerfect Exactly!

[@josephhogland7755]

What about heat and a/c and what if you are working out where you have no electric I guess you load it up after you run it down and bring it back to charge it or will it charge off of a generator??

[@DirtPerfect]

No ac does have heat

[@rogerkerkmann]

They got DC electric AC units for RVs 3000 bucks a 12000 BTUs wicked efficient 🤔😁🇺🇸

[@glennwolfe1663]

? Does excavator come with a thumb and what is lift lb. capacity? Thanks for sharing this equipment👍👍👍👍👍😺🤗

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes can get a thumb will have to look up spec

[@EdwardTilley]

Good topic...

[@409mark]

QUESTION IS THE ELECTRIC EXCAVATOR COMPATIBLE WITH A GASOLINE-POWERED GENERATOR FOR JOBS THAT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN THE ELECTRIC MOTORS CAPACITY GIVING IT MORE HOURS OF OPERATION ON THE JOB

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes

[@jbbuzzable]

This is likely not the machine you need to fulfill your needs. That doesn't mean it's crap for everyone.

[@lowermichigan4437]

Electric is great for indoor use and these smaller machines are used indoors at times. On larger machines that could be a challenge.

[@bobpowers9862]

I can easily see the near future: A new construction site, where electricity isn't (yet) available. Several electric dirt machines. And a giant, tow-behind diesel generator to recharge these at night... :)

[@spudgamer6049]

You're assuming the generator doesn't get banned as well... lol. Then again, there is precedent, as California is planning to ban the sale of new small, offroad IC engines, including portable generators soonish. Not sure what they consider "small", so may even end up including mini excavators.

[@jacksak]

​@@spudgamer6049 I agree...

[@jbbuzzable]

If you need to pull a portable generator to charge at night, this is not the machine you. It will work very well for many people though.

[@bobpowers9862]

@@spudgamer6049 A generator of the size sufficient to charge even one machine, would not be under the "small engine" restriction anyway. Let alone one big enough to charge several.

[@alexmikhael5061]

what kind of horsepower equivlient that ''brushless'' motor pump the oil at??

[@DirtPerfect]

Just a guess 25 to 30 ish

[@jbbuzzable]

The guy in the video said it was the same as the ICE engine. At least in the excavator.

[@spudgamer6049]

Looks interesting. I'm not sure they would have a large enough niche yet to be profitable for the manufacturer, but if the run time can be improved, I think they'd be able to hold their own place in the market, probably take some of propane's share even. I've found it interestingwatching the growth in the handheld battery tool technology, from barely useful to what we have today, where battery handheld tools don't give up much to corded, and even things like lawnmowers and chainsaws can be battery powered, provided you don't have too big a job to do. I'm hopeful that battery technology will continue to grow.

[@Tom-sr1hb]

Your going to have to get Kleeman a bigger Jump-Pak....

[@smokintruker27]

What's the biggest model they make in electric

[@DirtPerfect]

This one for now

[@johnlynn4945]

The cost difference would be a good topic

[@jbbuzzable]

I agree. At least in cars, it's a no-brainer. Hertz just ordered 100,000 Teslas.

[@NotJustaTool]

What type of batteries are these? LiFePO4 ???

[@DirtPerfect]

Good ? Keith not for sure

[@HootMaRoot]

Lifepo4 batteries wouldn't work in this situation as the can't deliver as much current as LiPo can and the newer large scale LiPo batteries seem to have a longer lifespan than any small ones have

[@NotJustaTool]

@@HootMaRoot Maybe so. But I read that Volvo is making their own batteries for their cars, like Tesla does. I'm curious if the technology is getting there yet...

[@HootMaRoot]

@@NotJustaTool in my eyes the technology is far far away from being as common as petrol/diesel. Where I live in Highlands of Scotland I have seen more tesla cars on the back of recovery trucks than I have seen driving. I just wish I knew what was wrong with them was the rough twisting roads going up and down hills too much for the battery or was it our cool temperature along with 80% to 90% humidity killing the electronics

[@NotJustaTool]

@@HootMaRoot Probably the latter. They really need to perfect the wiring, not so much the battery. Even the AGM batteries work fine. Plenty of POWER.

[@dangerrangerlstc]

I just found out DP worked at Busch stadium, just an hour from my house.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yup 2004

[@lhr1701]

Functionally this should be no differnt than a diesel powered machine . But 3 hours of run time and the recharge time is an issue . Hopefully in time that will improve . For a small contractor that brings his equipment home everyday it may work . The lack of engine maintenance is a plus . However what is the cost of replacing that motor or battery pack ? To me these are no different than the first generations of cordless tools . They only worked for a short time then you went and got a corded tool to finish the job . Today that is not the case . I don't see why the run time isn't longer though just like electric forklifts that we are using now ?

[@MOzarkMike]

Electric motors can apply huge torque immediately. That’s a useful attribute and will eventually lead to widespread use. Unfortunately for the enviro maniacs, the mining of rare earth metals for batteries is no less disruptive than drilling and fracking for oil. They are too invested to care, so full speed ahead. Develop the electromotive future!

[@scottmatheson2737]

Couldn’t help but notice the KUBOTA booth in the background. Are they going to be appearing in the next video 😂

[@DirtPerfect]

lol probably not

[@av8tore71]

I have a 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range Hatchback and since it's out of warranty I just had to spend $18,500 for new batteries so I can just imagine what the batteries will cost for an electric excavator

[@DirtPerfect]

Crazy and to be honest no idea

[@richardhedrick5601]

I can see where a machine like that would work in some places

[@raymondmay8134]

Looks good, my only question would be how tough are all the electrics, building sites and wet conditions not great for fly by wire i guess time will tell regards any down times and how easy to find the fault and fix it. Great tube btw have recently joined the channel, I'm from England, its interesting in the different methods you use to how we back here go about it. thanks for the video good job.

[@DirtPerfect]

Great ? And not for sure thanks and welcome to the channel

[@jimp.4531]

Price?

[@DirtPerfect]

It for sure sorry

[@williamrobinson6798]

When the battery 🔋 goes bad what does the new battery cost 🤔👌😊

[@DirtPerfect]

Not for sure good ?

[@TJ-Travler]

How come you do not allow "Links" in your comment section???

[@DirtPerfect]

Turns in to a shut show

[@TJ-Travler]

@@DirtPerfect ohhh... ok... I was trying to provide you with mobile solar charging station which would have tied into your electric equipment videos. Maybe you could build them for commercial construction site's!

[@tomwainwright7102]

Those machines are that quiet you`d be able to hear MBTS think let alone yourself. 😉

[@daviddavis6855]

I think I seen some orange behind you I can’t believe you didn’t go over there???????

[@DirtPerfect]

lol

[@williamrobinson6798]

Just wondering because it’s very expensive to replace car batteries

[@gprend69]

These electric machines definitely have their place...even if their sound does drive my dogs nuts! Ha

[@jbbuzzable]

Volvo is doing something wrong with the sound. It should be way quieter than an ICE machine.

[@gavhirt9168]

Garbage trucks are quite but slam bang is still loud and parking lot zammbozzies are loud

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

I'd love to see the bottom line over 5 years. Diesel V electric..

[@DirtPerfect]

Good ?

[@randymyers5086]

Who ever comes up with a portable charging station for numerous pieces of equipment will be rich. Just a big diesel engine, generator with say 6 charge stations.

[@BlueDually4x4]

You could charge them off a good Lincoln or Miller welder with a 220volt output.

[@hvnfun8601]

All one would need is a tow behind diesel powered charging station.

[@jacksak]

Right, and when most everything becomes electric with all those diesel-towed charging stations, we can reach a pollution point equal to what we now have but at a higher cost.

[@jbbuzzable]

@@jacksak That's not how it will work.

[@markwilson2424]

ok what do you do when got less then a hour to get it going from being dead

[@jbbuzzable]

Admit that you bought a machine that doesn't meet your needs.

[@farmerbill6855]

You didn't ask about price comparison.

[@DirtPerfect]

Sorry not for sure

[@KT-ki2nv]

Wonder what KW running costs are like compared to diesel? Battery life and replacement costs is also a very big consideration.

[@jbbuzzable]

ICE engine efficiency tends to run at about 40%. Electric about 85%.

[@jbbuzzable]

It's too bad that so many comments are based upon perceptions and not facts.

[@DirtPerfect]

Lol yup

[@rv-eb3wu]

Not a lot different than forklifts. Electric forktrucks used inside buildings because of emissions can work an eight hour shift quite easy. The big hit comes when there is problems with your battery and it has to be changed out. costs thousands.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yup same thought process

[@jbbuzzable]

I get your point, but one must consider total cost of ownership.

[@reinovator]

Thanks For trying

[@nigelbrooks3606]

Watching you driving and discussing the Volvo electric driven small machinery. Have you seen the documentary that the owner of CAT made on KZbin? He’s company hasdesigned one of the first Hydrogen powered engines for excavators. They have worked out if you want an equivalent machine say 20 tons it what weigh in around eight tons more due to the batteries and would be highly expensive. Looking at that how would you redesign a mining monster? It’s never going to happen in the near future. So CAT recon Hydrogen is the answer as it’s only a top half engine upgrade etc. And no horrible batteries to get rid of in the future. Maybe the only problem we will get from Hydrogen is to much water or rain falll😂

[@jbbuzzable]

I'm not a big hydrogen fan, but sometime it may be feasible for large machines. Right now, there is no place to buy it. We all currently have access to electricity.

[@jcadult101]

7:55 No, it's a whole lot different than having a fleet of diesel and a truck to fuel because you have to sit there and charge for hours instead of spend 1/2 hr with each machine. Is the stadium going to allow you to plug in over night or for a few hours to their 480v? Are you going to have to pull it outside and charge with a generator, possibly leaving both out overnight? I feel for those California suckers cause I'm sure these will be a state mandate for gov jobs. They already have no small engines in their future (lawn care).

[@donaldkennedy5604]

Will you get a fourteen hour day out of it?

[@DirtPerfect]

Depends on how you use it

[@donaldkennedy5604]

@@DirtPerfect lots of breaks lol. Can’t sell me.

[@bobbrinkerhoff3592]

Is the mini ex so underpowered that you can't track in reverse and power the back up alarm at full strength at the same time ? That alarm sounds like a goose with a frog in it's throat , yet the loader sounds normal ?

[@DirtPerfect]

Reason for that

[@thomasmathewson6229]

Two questions 1( What type are the batteries, lead acid or Lion or? 2) Did the machine seem light in the rear? It seemed to *bounce* a little in the rear.

[@DirtPerfect]

Absolutely not light In the rear not for sure about the batteries

[@DirtPerfect]

Think lion

[@geraldheitman7687]

@@DirtPerfect Oh you mean like the Tesla car that are not recyclable ( more waste) and very expensive !!!

[@jbbuzzable]

@@geraldheitman7687 I just have to come right out and say your comment is total BS. You either have no clue or just making stuff up.

[@geraldheitman7687]

@@jbbuzzable to begin with mining of the minerals needed for the batteries is very harmful to the environment but who cares they come from another country. Why do so many reports are that Tesla batteries are not recyclable !!!! But then lovers of electric cars don't like the truth !

[@reddog376]

I thought MBTS was your camera person. I guess Mr Millennial needed a couple of extra pennies in his pay check. LOL

[@DirtPerfect]

He is working

[@Sirdickymint]

Across the world battery in going to be king. In England I've never seen or heard of battery mini digger. Ps I'm no expert.

[@stevetheengineer]

JCB are doing them for this sort of size, Hydrogen for the big stuff

[@jfarrar231]

What would it take for you to come pour me a complete icf house up in Richmond, Indiana? Concrete floors and roof two story with basement all concrete.

[@DirtPerfect]

Send me a email [e-mail]

[@LLImprovement]

I agree with a lot of the other comments about having somewhere to charge it. These pieces seem more like a weekend warrior fantasy.

[@1244taylor]

Don't see this being a replacement for gas and diesel anytime soon....same with cars/trucks

[@jbbuzzable]

Electric cars and trucks will be the only ones you can buy in about 10-15 years.

[@littlefinkle7757]

The sound alone would get a no vote from me. I would go "postal" listening to that.

[@CMDSR]

Electric earth movers. Kinda wondering why key start and not a fob or touch pad. Poor Lars🤦‍♂️

[@alexmikhael5061]

how big a generator you need to put on the REAR RECIEVER HITCH to keep charge neutral??? LOL at NORMAL LOAD ???? LOL

[@jbbuzzable]

I don't think the machine was designed with the intention of pulling a generator around behind. If you need to do that, you likely bought the wrong machine.

[@morgansword]

Since carbon models have mufflers, are there anything to muffle the sounds of that electric whine? It lifted enough to lightly pick the back tires a bit so extra counter weight is definitely a first pick on the extras and I really think having one would increase chances of working inside of shopping mauls. The machines that you have now are really a middle man for the "a bit big for small job or just does" the bigger jobs because the operator can make or break a job. Best equipment won't cut the slack of a bad driver. Quit dang teasing Mike, Lt. Dan will have frame jacking issues if it sets too long/LOL

[@jbbuzzable]

You talk about many subjects here. I'm a big fan of electric stuff, but I have to admit that the noise is way too loud. Volvo needs to work on that.

[@tt7hvn]

Hey, at least they can replace the counterweight with a giant battery 🤷

[@j.b.6577]

So, is this like the cars where when the batteries die the replacements exceed the depreciated price of the machine? There are hundreds of thousands of electric cars already sitting that are useless and leaking chemicals and heavy metals back into the soil because their batteries are dead and the batteries vastly exceed the depreciated price of the car. IDK, I don't think that everything is being completely thought through before these things are being brought to market. It's just like those giant windmills that are rendered useless after about 10 years from what I've heard and there's no process for taking them down and no way to reuse or recycle anything... I'm not claiming to be the brightest bulb but, there's a lot of things that don't make since to me with all this electric stuff...

[@jacksak]

I totally agree.

[@jdelbrid]

The Model 3 cost around $50k and the battery replacement cost is around $5k. There are companies that take the spent batteries for stripping the components for recycling. They are stored and wrapped in a way that does not allow them to leak into the soil.

[@jbbuzzable]

@@jdelbrid Yes. and the batteries are good for about 300K miles.

[@willenenable5149]

One of the problems that the sales people are not going to tell you, is that if you are doing a lot of site work with these machines,, is that you have to purchase a generator, maybe 25kva or better, as you have to generate 440 volts 3 phase, then supply a very long extension lead, or the machine is useless until you return to your static charge point !!

[@gayle4804]

The batteries are beyond expensive, that would be my first question!

[@jbbuzzable]

Please tell us what beyond expensive means.

[@jbbuzzable]

Total cost of ownership should be less.

[@garymccune6161]

Electric units like that make a lot more sense than electric cars so I can see where these would be applicable to different situations very nice.

[@jbbuzzable]

In what way do electric cars not make sense?

[@lloydconner3034]

When the batteries go dead and you recharge them this damages them and they do not last long. The other thing is what kind of batteries.

[@jbbuzzable]

As with any equipment, proper care is essential. It is different than what you are probably accustomed to.

[@lloydconner3034]

@@jbbuzzable Yes you are right about care, can you fix it like the older equipment i think not.

[@jbbuzzable]

@@lloydconner3034 I am not comparing to older equipment. I am comparing to the other new equipment that you buy today. Apples to apples.

[@lloydconner3034]

@@jbbuzzable They are hard to fix also. That is why the old is better than the new. Look at older 850!

[@jbbuzzable]

@@lloydconner3034 I won't deny that older equipment is easier to repair, but that's not my point. I was talking about new equipment which I said earlier.

[@timsziminski2461]

You got to have 3 machines to work a 12 hr day lol no shift work 👍👊 the wire on that backup noise would be cut lol

[@archangel729]

I think they missed the boat on the batteries for more efficiency should have gone for a removable battery so when it all most dead change out the battery for a fully charged one like a reachtruck a parked machine is a costly inefficient machine ,working machine makes $$$ and thats what it boiles down to . Can't see this going much of anywhere my opinion . Peaceout

[@jcadult101]

Then you'd need a machine just to swap battery packs, gotta be sever hundred pounds at least.

[@archangel729]

@@jcadult101 there is always equipment on a jobsite to help with that a skidsteer forklifts ect

[@crazyfarmer2564]

I would not be able to use the electric junk. 3 to 4 hr run time. I better get a long extension cord. Maybe it will charge as I'm digging. I think I will stick to the diesel version.

[@jbbuzzable]

I wouldn't call it junk. If it doesn't work for your use, that's fine.

[@pdppanelman5889]

Sounds like a bee with a bellyache.

[@farmerbill6855]

With the ring time/charge time problem, why wouldn't you just run it on live electricity? Like the big strip mining shovels. If you have power on the job, just run a cord to it. Do away with those worthless batteries.

[@farmerbill6855]

Run time/charge time.

[@DirtPerfect]

Good ? Not for sure

[@lhr1701]

I was thinking that so but those machines in strip mining don't move . They stay in one spot and load trucks all day . And when they do move it is only a short distance . If you are digging a trench you may have to move 1000 feet . And an 12 gage extension cord is not going to handle that the voltage drop would be tremendous . You would better off towing a generator behind you .

[@dannygoin6552]

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