Taking The Phatmoto Rover 79cc Motorized Bicycle Off Road - Ebike Moto Seat Update

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Sorry about the video quality guys! I forgot to turn the bitrate down so KZbin must have compressed it pretty badly. Grrr.

[@tomtee4442]

You may already have a video on that electric bike or I should say it looks like an electric dirt bike. I've been thinking about a gasoline 4-stroke engine dirt bike like the motoped would be perfect. but they don't make them anymore so I'll probably just have to settle for an electric bicycle pedal bike or dirt bike but I have to have bicycle pedals on it. Luckily in my state you don't have to have license, taxes, tags, insurance, no nothing for now but things may change because the e bike and e dirt bike owners might destroy it with the speed their doing out there.

[@LetortAngler]

“It’s definitely not that fun, WOOO HOOO!!!” 🤣

[@timenim2284]

Right?? " I dunno, this thing can party" 🤣🤣

[@timenim2284]

Great video, there is one posted for $400 where I live, like new. I'm gonna get it!

[@64jkacir]

BTW good rig with good sound to be able to hear you talk and hear you over the motor, pretty good set up!

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Thanks again! I found out that a little lav mic with a “dead cat” cover over it catches all the engine noise but doesn’t let the wind overpower everything else

[@stephenmee8830]

How fast is top end on that hard tail bike ?😅

[@mikejimenez6470]

9:44 “it could get down….. it could party” lmao.

[@64jkacir]

Hey man you have a funny way of saying stuff and are fun to watch. At first you sound like Ray Liotta, keep up the good work!

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Haha thanks man! I do have a pretty goofy personality so I hope that works out in my favor here haha. That’s funny though, you’re not the first person to say I sounded kind of like him

[@MTBTexasBikeRider]

😮😮😮😮that’s awesome and I just bought EBIKE mountain bike 🤔

[@nojremlock6826]

You must put a bobber seat with shocks on that bike

[@bassw1758]

I only paid 700 for mine, my only beef with the bike is, it really needs a freewheel on the engine side.

[@earlebird4262]

Why would you want the engine to freewheel? Engine braking is a good thing.

[@bassw1758]

@@earlebird4262 way too noisy, I have a nice exhaust it sounds real nice but I have the 19 the first year, they use a 415 chain on the transmission, you want to hear the sound of the engine, but the jackshaft sounds like a train.

[@earlebird4262]

@@bassw1758 oh, gotcha. Is that why people keep saying to upgrade the chains? What about the "torque converter" transmissions? I haven't looked into them yet but I've seen them in a couple of videos, and at least one guy seemed to like it a lot.

[@bassw1758]

@@earlebird4262 yeah torque converter for sure, they are made to be used with the 212s, but I think with a little bit of creativity and ingenuity, you could probably get it to work with a 79 cc.

[@earlebird4262]

@@bassw1758 I keep hearing 212. Is that literally 212cc? That seems excessive.

[@J.morent]

Thank you for the info bro. Stay blessed bro

[@TSemasFl]

Where is this place with the abandoned RR track? Looks like a cool town.

[@rgbigdog]

They are wedge spacers.

[@PhysiqueGeek]

That’s it, idk why I couldn’t think of that lol

[@jtkrpm1]

Something must be wrong with mine. Mine won’t accelerate at all unless I peddle

[@robertglasgow6538]

Mine is trash!😔 Same problems! Good luck I have wiped out to many times. Clutch is the biggest problem. Brakes second, seat third.

[@d00der41]

Only nice thing about them is their patent pending internal jackshaft frame and the engine itself - excluding the clutch. Everything else they put on it is junk. For the price, a Fox or Rock Shox fork and a EZ M clutch and hydraulic brakes would make this bike a pretty bang up product if it were the fat tire version. Plan on building one myself with a Zeda Dawn frame, a jackshaft bracket, 4 inch rear, 3 in front tire, 750w electric motor running through the jackshaft to make up for the lower end power the engine lacks, and hydraulic brakes. Same motor, gear the motors to top out at like 45mph close to sync with one another.

[@n057828]

From down under mate 😎! If only I can get better shipping price to Australia 🇦🇺??

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Ooo yeah the shipping charge going down to Au is probably INSANE, especially now. I wish there were a few more companies around the world that were building bikes like this so more people could enjoy them

[@dsanteusant8947]

Your next project should be to fix up that Backhoe/shovel loader along the tracks . :)

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Lol now that would be fun!

[@obiobiwan9268]

the fat tire model has a 4" tire and the bike is a base model and you can add a bigger carb, because I HATE THE SOUND OF A 2-STROKE

[@PhysiqueGeek]

I always wanted to have a fat tire bike with a motor on it. You don't want to go too much bigger on the carb with them. I'd imagine a 18-19mm carb would work nicely. Got to disagree with the 2 stroke part though lol. A well tuned 2 stroke with a good pipe is one of my favorite sounds in the world haha

[@earlebird4262]

The only thing I don't like about the Phatmoto is that it doesn't sound like my GoPed.

[@sethgarrett1994]

Good content man would love to see some minarelli/saw build stuff

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Hopefully very soon! I'm going to be doing a series on my AV10 build first, then maybe a stock build for doing troubleshooting videos. After that though it's definitely going to be either a Minarelli or a saw series

[@robertglasgow6538]

Any advice for a new clutch with a part number.

[@J.morent]

Bro I was saying the same thing about “is it 1200 worth of fun”

[@obiobiwan9268]

1300 (1299) and how far can you take it funwise? Smaller rear sprocket, bigger carb, maybe a bigger engine? At 100 miles per tank and speeds of 40 mph, would that be more fun?

[@earlebird4262]

​@@obiobiwan9268I think the other way around. Bigger rear sprocket and torque to wheelie. Faster in a straight line is not much fun. Pulling hard out of corners and launching from stop signs faster than cars is fun.

[@Littleevil9975]

Good video bro

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Thanks bro! Appreciate it!

[@Littleevil9975]

You’re welcome bro

[@n057828]

Change front forks and use a seat poll suspension?

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Front forks definitely need to get swapped out, they don't soak up anything lol. As far as the suspension posts go though I'm not too sure, I know there's some really good ones out there but they're too expensive for me, and the cheap ones are made real poorly. Probably still be than nothing though right haha

[@n057828]

@@PhysiqueGeek dude I’m a postie here in Australia and I’m sure if you google it

[@TSemasFl]

Spring bicycle seat

[@dsanteusant8947]

Smokey says "Only you can prevent forest fires!" ;) Great vid bro.

[@BuildBreakFix]

Funny enough the guy that wore that bear costume all those years in the 90's, His daughter was the ones with the gender revile in 2019 that burns few 100,000 Acers of land in Ca with fireworks! Ironic?

[@PhysiqueGeek]

@@BuildBreakFix wooooow, good grief. That's irony at its finest right there lol.

[@jtkrpm1]

Does your spark plug come out black?

[@dancadi]

Is that 15 mph or did you play with the gov bypass just looking for info unsure if I want one

[@earlebird4262]

They do 25 mph from factory, not 15. With the governor off, it should rev until it runs out of air or the valves start to float.

[@slimey831]

How's the clutch holding up?

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Can’t speak to the stock clutch, I swapped it out for a Hilliard extreme duty the moment he got the bike. That ones held up great for almost a year now though

[@craftwerx5496]

what sprocket are you using in the video?

[@PhysiqueGeek]

God I can't remember now but it was all stock gearing. I want to say it came with something pretty big like a 56T

[@theadventuresofme5262]

How fast does it go at it's max

[@PhysiqueGeek]

I’ve never actually checked it’s speed with gps or anything. If I were to guess though I’d say it’s topping out at around 30mph in stock form with just the governor delete. You could get more speed with a smaller sprocket but then you’ll have to pedal to help it take off

[@karelwatkins5239]

what about throwing an electric hub on the front to make it a hybrid?

[@PhysiqueGeek]

That would be pretty cool for sure, especially to stay quiet when he's riding back home at like midnight lol. The only thing with front hub motors is torque steer. The few I've tried out always wanted to pull the wheel to the side when you hit the throttle which made them feel a little unpredictable. He's not very experienced with riding so I don't want to do something that might get him hurt. That and having to strap a bunch of extra stuff to the frame that wouldn't look very nice

[@tomtee4442]

One guy did that on a red fat Moto small tire he put a 212 engine on it and a electric motor hub just on the front. He's the one that has I think the machined gears on the right side through the jackshaft. A lot of guys have done the 212 conversion but I'm just not sure if they can pedal the bike with the engine off without rubbing their legs. One guy on U tube make a very wide pedal crank for his 212 install.

[@tomtee4442]

@Lane AWD I got a 50 tooth, going to a 66 tooth rear sprocket to try out soon maybe another sproket if this one is to much or not enough. Want all bottom end, more hill pulling and acceleration.

[@motordar]

Are you crazy? You cut the feed before crossing that street after that car went through. Aaaaaaaah. That trail is pretty cool. You may have convinced me not to purchase. You’re right about the $1200. I’d say $600 to $800

[@PhysiqueGeek]

I’m not following lol. I cut that part out because it was just me sitting waiting for multiple cars to pass. Didn’t seem worth keeping. It’s definitely pretty fun to ride but I would never pay full price for it either. Aside from the frame and wheels the bikes components are pretty lacking, especially the forks. They don’t even try to soak bumps up lol

[@earlebird4262]

The fat tire bike is $700 now, with hydraulic brakes and an upgraded clutch. It seems like a no brainer at this point.

[@JoinTeamSammy]

you should work for wwe lol

[@tomtee4442]

If anyone is interested in selling their used fat moto bike or parts I need some 26" x 2.325" skinny Wheels and tires leave me a message thanks. I bought my fat moto bike when it was $550 in 2019 with rear V brakes when they first come out. And at that price it wasn't too bad versus buying a beach cruiser with a four-stroke and putting it together. I should have bought another phat moto at that price. They were first at $500 but I waited a little too long because I thought they might go down in price but I was wrong they just went up and up. And by the look of things they're not going to stop especially with covid and another financial collapse coming then everything is going up. Prices are already creeping up now.

[@miguel360kmc]

$1,200 is actually not bad for the phatmotos. Not if you do the math . The frame is the best frame on the market you can buy the angel fire ll for like $100 or gt skyhawk for $120 just the naked frames but only frame thats near as good is the phantom frame which is $500 for a naked frame. (the naked frame of a phatmoto is worth $5-$600 👌) You just need a few upgrades like a set of triple trees cheap ones cdh power or zoom work ok fox 40s would be best, good maxxis tires Continental tubes TRP Hy/RD hybrid brakes i like the Wide cruiser seats with a post shock. Upgrade all bearings and chains that alone is *NIGHT AND DAY* max torque clutch or the new Hilliard is said to be good (harden hub) remove governor mod air box (drill holes) top is around 35-40 range. Could do a motor swap using the mega moto bb80 motor plate from go power sports you need to drill 4 holes to mount it in but thats it you can fit a p79 gx100 gx120 gx160 gx160r and maybe the p212 with some small mods.. 😉

[@PhysiqueGeek]

Yeah I mean it's definitely not the worst deal out there, and at the price it is now (around 800) it's not a bad deal at all. When my neighbor bought this one over a year ago it came out to almost $1400. That's not a great deal considering most of the components are the same cheap generic chinese parts that you'd find on a $150 Walmart bike. Not saying it's not a fun bike, especially for someone that doesn't want the hassle of sourcing parts and building it themselves. After having a pretty high end minarelli two stroke and completely custom predator 212cc bikes it's harder for me to get excited about 79cc's I guess lol. I know I've seen a few guys that put 212's on theirs. Much better choice for just pure fun. Believe me if it were MY bike it would be a very, very different machine lol. The genuine felt frames are nice for sure, but I'd rather spend less and get a frame that's ready to go out of the box. These fakers with gussets welded are 100% better than the real felt frames. The felts still need to be drilled for a shutoff valve and sealed since it's a faux gas tank to. I don't recommend anyone run those cheap cdh suspension triple trees, the rigid ones aren't terrible though. I had them on my first faker build a couple years back and they were sketchy. So much twist, and no real suspension. I've seen a lot of them snap off at the crown when people are riding too. Not pretty.

[@PhysiqueGeek]

You definitely made the right call throwing the predator on yours. I tried talking the owner (his names Miguel too lol) into doing it but he doesn't have much of an interest in doing that sort of thing. He just wants it to get him to and from work with as little cost as possible, and I can't say I blame him for that

[@miguel360kmc]

I took a header with mine at 30+mph right into a very big rock running cdh power forks, they bent back a good 60° i went flying about 20 some odd feet flipped back of my knees ended up hitting the top of a 6ft fence 😅 landing on my neck and shoulder luckily only broke or ripped all my ligaments connecting my collarbone to my shoulder put me out of work 8mths so far another 5 or so to go. But the frame held up GREAT 👍 the stock rims GREAT was shocked the front rim was still 90% true did have to adjust a few spokes a tiny bit. 😳 Love the phatmoto rover 2020 very good frame and rims.. yes out the box 📦 they are not nothing special but with small upgrades frontend is a must 👌 cheap rockshocks are only a $130 + max torque clutch another $40 upgrade the 3 chains about $70 jackshaft bearings $15 rim bearings $20 TRP hy/rd all in one hydraulic brakes are $120 for a set but could get away with 1. Dont need to remove the governor just do a spring adjustment remove the speed screw. So like $400 turns the bike into something way way better... Me i went all out did all the above but also changed out disc rotor on the front to a 180mm swap out ALL hardware some good rockbros pedals and rear rack with a matching bag also grips. New brake levers neck/headset i like the stock bar. All new cables forget the brand but they top of the line for downhill MTB riding. Front and rear light kit 👌usb rechargeable. Mini horn and GPS alarm ⏰ pedal side fixie chain tensioner would like to swap pedal chain out to a 35 chain would look cooler (tuffer) the overall look i went for was a downhill MTB type bike. Powered bye a fully built p79cc i want the Honda gx120 with e-start it can fit with the mount i talked about before.. spent a year building this bike now its a 8hp town eater!! Stock with the 50t sprocket i got a LOT of hills still tops at 40mph rides at 35mph easy 👌😎 its a commuter bike IMO the best commuter bike you can get. Take your time upgrade the cheap chaina parts they hold up good enough till you can swap them out. My stock motor i put over 8,000 miles on mine.

[@PhysiqueGeek]

@@miguel360kmc haha very nice, sounds like you're just like me. Not sure if you've seen the videos of the other bikes I've built but I'm never content with just good enough. I'm far from rich but I always try to buy, or fabricate, the best stuff I can afford at the time. Removing the governor was the first thing I did with that bike, before it ever even ran lol. Same thing with the front rotor, but I went straight to 203mm for him, and swapped out the stock max torque clutch for a Hilliard extreme duty since I've had good luck with them in the past. You're right, I forgot about the rims too, like I said in the video they are definitely solid rims. 12g spokes are a must for something like this, especially if you take it off road at all. Let me think, if the Phatmoto were mine, it'd have some Maxxis hookworms or maybe some Holy Rollers for the trails, Magura's 4-piston MT5's front and rear with their MDR-P rotors ( I run them on my electric enduro bike too), probably some DNM USD-8 triple trees for that sweet dual front brake goodness, and at least a preddy 79cc, more likely a 212 though haha. With the rover frames being nice and gusseted up already it's just begging for a built 17-20hp+, 80mph predator lol. I've been thinking about building another gas bike this summer. Might hit up Phatmoto and buy just the frame from them. I emailed them a little while back asking if buying a "replacement" frame was possible and they said yes, so that's cool to know since it's the only part I really want off it anyway. Not sure for how much though, they didn't mention that part. I build my own wheels and all that, I just need a solid frame to build on

[@PhysiqueGeek]

@@miguel360kmc btw happy to hear that you're at least doing alright after that crash. I can't imagine the pain you must have been in after that man. I've had some nasty wrecks before but nothing to that extent thank god