Grovit Wrestling Front Face Lock

God of Catch as Catch Can Wrestling Billy Robinson and Jake Shannon demonstrate the fine details of the Grovit/Groffit. Known in contemporary Wrestling Circles as the Front Face Lock or Front Head Lock, this staple of the Catch Wrestling arsenal was originally known by the Wigan Wrestlers as the Groffit or Grovit.
Coach Robinson shows how to apply this devastating submission hold as well as how to use it as a set up for a single leg takedown.

[@Kev80ification]

Rest in peace Billy!

[@ventwilliams3352]

Kevin Morley 🙏🏿

[@DanielSmith-pq4yc]

It's really great to see catch Wrestling still being taught and appreciated

[@sukotsutoclone2]

I fucking love this technique. I caught people who are more experienced than me with this so many times and it's all thanks to seeing this video.

[@DougieLink]

Excellent, when I was young about 30 to 35 years ago this was still practiced in areas of England , mainly around Yorkshire and other coal mining areas. I remember learning face and neck cranks from my late grandfather about 40 years ago

[@pcjudosambo]

As a former Judo grappler and a current Sambo grappler, I admire and respect all Catch Wrestlers. They are the all top of the food chain in submission grappling. I personally believe that Catch Wrestling is one the best submission grappling art in the world. I wish we had a good catch wrestling school here in northern Florida.

[@theodorewurz8424]

Don't know if anyone noticed but Erik Paulson called out to Josh Barnett to go for this in his fight with Roy Nelson. Completely underused move.

[@boma23]

A true legend. So great that the MMA explosion re-discovered him and gave him a great last few years, showing everyone that there's nothing new under the sun :)

[@AZTigerMMA]

This man was way ahead of his time , it must have been so exciting for him to see it becoming more popular ! This was cool always liked your guys stuff! Thank you and RIP Billy

[@AverageAsianMe]

Barnett actually attempted this on Noguiera in their first fight. Barnett actually went from the front choke to the crank.

[@CaveSmoker]

RIP Billy Robinson

[@lightningsmokerXx]

Chris Jericho Brought me here (goldberg story)

[@KJGould]

Cool, could you tell me when and where he mentioned this video? Like which interview or podcast? Thanks!

[@lightningsmokerXx]

KJ Gould I can't remember which one it was now.... buy type in something like " Chris Jericho talks about the real fight against Goldberg" on youtube.

[@guyincognito5706]

thewelshviper Hogan doesn’t necessarily have the reputation for being honest about..anything.

[@nycd4766]

Lmao, yo me too 😂

[@tritchie6272]

@thewelshviper While I have my doubts about Hogan's story I suppose it's possible for a young Hogan to catch an Old Verne with something like this. However I would like to point out that when it comes to actual Wrestling a young Vern Gagna was miles better than Hogan. Although Hogan was alot bigger and a much better showman. Maybe I'm getting old but I'm starting to gain an appreciation for some of the real oldtimers that could actually Wrestle. Like Gagna and Lou Thez.

[@Thereisonlyonefrankdatank]

With great respect I say this. It’s because of my experiences in martial arts and because of seeing folks like this that I take nobody for granted and do my best to underestimate no one. I imagine these guys (like some of my teachers) although dont look to tough sitting on a bar stool or big and their not huge or fearsome looking but they’d hand you your ass with a candle in it just as soon as you thought the fight started. Been following these guys for awhile now and although this is an old video it’s a fav of mine. So cool Billy could pass some of what he knows on. Would’ve like to met the guy

[@Xaymot]

I love it when you drag out those scientific wrestling guys for a free-bee. Everything Billy Robinson does and says is a brilliant revelation in pain.

[@KidThomsonMediaProductions]

this seems like an old Wigan move. Love it.

[@davidian2097]

Same... love the brutal art over jiu jitsu the gentle...

[@owlblocksdavid4955]

@@davidian2097 I did BJJ for half a year (found out it existed... through this video, actually. It's a long story from HEMA to BJJ, but I only was ever able to find the latter nearby, and felt I didn't have time to keep up with it). Anyway, I'm not sure I'd describe it as "gentle".

[@davidian2097]

Owlblocks David i know... its atleast as tough as cacc... its just the expression ppl use

[@kurtbrewski7050]

@hashbeen 1985 Yeah but I think it's only considered a chancery if they were to let go of the arm and lock their hands together.

[@justin21491]

"YOU feel it come here!" LOL good stuff catch wrestling is no joke.

[@coldworld5]

Billy Robinson is in his 70's and he'd still fuck me up with ease, guys a beast.

[@randomhero20022]

I like how you guys are really open to learning new techs from different arts. Thanks for sharing!

[@TakingItToTheMMAT]

It's the JKD Mentality "Take what is useful..." You can learn from anyone if you have an open mind and heart. And with coaches at the level of Billy Robinson or Guro Dan Inosanto, your game and perspective can change just in one session.

[@popcornr35]

I love the quick switch to a single leg. That was fantastic. Quick and efficient.

[@runningsuperska]

What a fantastic teacher. His great legacy.

[@RoaringTiger281]

This was excellent guys! Very well taught and explained!

[@dialupking]

Sick!! I love the discussion on the technique. Very informative techinques

[@thebigandgreat1]

all hail the King of Catch - Mr. Billy Robinson and Mr. Jake Shannon!

[@cinimatics]

Be careful with that. It works great, but if you really crank you could badly injure a guys neck.

[@Libertariandude]

This hold is also taught in Special Forces combatives as a finishing hold as in a hold meant to kill.

[@davidian2097]

Once they get the head folded and cross faced... if you really put your hips into it thats a broken neck for sure

[@SortaDopeIGuess]

Thats the point. Supposedly Jericho used it on Goldberg in a backstage fight. Point being that Goldberg - ex NFL player will prob be bigger and stronger than any guy you will fight on the street and if it slowed him down - it will slow anyone down.

[@MrEparis]

Just like boxing. It's better having previous training. If it seems easy...

[@zootedsuit]

Wow I learned a hell of alot by watching this. Thanks for the post!

[@BigStickCombat]

Excellent video, excellent instruction.

[@Tom86]

Wow, Billy Robinson is a one of a kind!

[@Cryptosifu]

Robinson is the best

[@ventwilliams3352]

Rick McGhee yeap. 🤙

[@rikkihill22]

His book Human Chess is a fabulous read

[@MrLucasBS]

I practice BJJ but i recognize these wrestling techniques are really good, thnx for the videos man.

[@TheRogueMonk]

GOLDEN GOLDEN this guy should have been alive forever .. he is a museum of knowledge .. and i just saw him today . worth thousand martial art videos i seen in youtube.

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Beautiful technique.

[@dalroache]

all I can say is WOW so much wisdom n technique I not seen this ever in bjj

[@TakingItToTheMMAT]

@edsheadsaid Well said. Well said. A lot of times, Coach Kiser and I laugh simply because the brilliance of the instruction or the technique itself leaves us speachless. No words can describe our appreciation for the level of skill and yet, we are delighted to be a part of experiencing it.

[@MrJalostotitlan]

great video.

[@johnmatos8081]

Awesome technique!!

[@liljjisback]

Billy's hand covers the whole back of his neck, geez!

[@AmericanCombatAssoc]

Great move! My favorite move to use in tournaments. NAGA considers this move a neck crank so only intermediate and advanced can use it.

[@ventwilliams3352]

Best coach EVER.

[@yromlaw]

muito bom. excelente técnica.

[@Halbared]

Brilliant.

[@bobdownie.2806]

Good sacrifice throw from that face lock, nasty old school shit.

[@OtterpopSlaughterMop]

I really like the part about dropping the hips in, the way I learned was to lean forward on to the lock/fulcrum. Just dropping your weight in a bit seems much more effective.

[@luchador1764]

if given the opportunity, i wud dedicate my life to training under that man. i would literally leave everything i loved and knew behind and did just that for the rest of my life.

[@realitycheckineffect]

I like these guys

[@williamallen7679]

Wow, great application and techniques! How do you use that or other catch wrestling moves to counter someone striking, or kicking you? Can this be used effectively in a street fight? Are there any DVDs on this art?

[@skraddypoo]

Gorgeous.

[@RichMorti]

I love how the two dummy's are trying to make light of the pain and Robinson doesn't smile, he just carries on.

[@KJGould]

he underhook is the half halch, something Billy Robinson and other wrestlers teach as well.

[@submissionmaster2012]

fantastic technique! A great little trick to use that's so much more effective than the guillotine choke ! I teach catch and jiu jitsu (have a few vids of my own on youtube if you care to drop by) and this if super effective stuff. Thanks for the upload/ share. Great stuff and please keep up the good work. P.S. I just subscribed to your awesome channel.

[@Bdubb0110]

In the video "War Department Martial ArtsTraining - Part 1" at 5:10 they do a similar move but instead of the left hand grabbing a tricep it secures an underhook which establishes more control. However both moves will snap your neck in between c3-c5 which control breathing and other vital functions. So be careful with this one!!!

[@jamesptah9993]

Perfect!!!!!

[@RenegadeRanga]

Catch is a savage form of wrestling but awesome.

[@morgall]

man..billy robinson is one brutal old man

[@smagator]

is this ma kazushi sakaraba old trainer ?i have read that saku had a british instructor of catch when he started : please answer

[@ironchic713]

When do we learn the "Yoga Flame" technique, Jake?

[@IgnatiusCheese]

Holy shit that's brutal. When my unborn daughter comes of age I'll put the boy she brings home in one of those beauties. Thank you Billy Robinson !

[@Dvalb]

those guys are HUGE!

[@agustinrico3304]

Imagine what a prime billy Robinson would look around these guys, he already looks huge around them and yet when your much older and especially for athletes the spine degrades so imagine the prime billy around these guys showing them these moves

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

@petealk12 You could also say it's the wrestling killer, since it would shock and, put in awe any Folk wrestler who tried a double leg take down.

[@TakingItToTheMMAT]

@hitlergoonie4life Yeah, a broken neck doesn't hurt that bad when you think about it. It'll just kill you or leave you without sensation from the neck down. I'm with all of you about respecting the legends. And the best way to show that respect is to attend their seminars, buy their DVD's and their books. Help them put food on the table sharing their art. And when I see you at the next Scientific Wrestling Certification you can show me how you stoically take a submission.

[@smagator]

@gzeuskraiste thank you so much

[@mmafanuk]

I wonder if this would work if you've sprawled on someone after they've shot in? I'll usually go for the anaconda but sometimes I cant synch it up on my bicep if they guy is really big

[@josecavazos1869]

I would kill to have a catch wrestling school where I'm from.

[@joekoe97]

God damn that guys old but he's still ripped and I bet he could clear out a bar if he wanted.

[@xAristaicx]

I've been training BJJ for 3 years, and man do I love the catch wrestling moves! A lot of it may be banned in BJJ, but all in all it is very effective! Good for MMA! This front face lock is a perfect example. It is banned in most jits comps, except it is still a legit submission haha and it is freakin' nasty! Attacking the cervical vertebrae of the spine, and also the fact that it can come on so fast is what makes it a dangerous sub. Must be careful with this one!

[@kennethmedaris8424]

Billy was the policeman off wrestling, Handling any trustbusters.

[@WildHunt25]

At full force/speed, would this be more likely to kill, paralyze, or just leave the person in a halo for a while (on an average healthy person)?

[@samluke8121]

Catch as catch can wrestling,born in Wigan,England.

[@yumtoyl2263]

"You feel it!" lol

[@WoodyGyo]

Not just streetfighting, I use it in sparring all the time. You're right, really does kill a guy's movement.

[@OtterpopSlaughterMop]

Also, that man is a goddamn monster.

[@089hlj]

-So much better than most of the conventional judo/jiu-jitsu

[@superd0076]

RIP Billy

[@ScotteDio]

The old man has massive hands.

[@rustyshackleford735]

Hulk Hogan did a shoot in a show host that was bad mouthing pro wrestling and legit put him to sleep with this move.

[@brottarnacke]

I think it's pretty natural to laugh a bit when you feel pain, IF you trust the instructor enough to know that the pain won't lead to injury. Kinda similar reaction as to when something tickles real bad. I don't really see anything wrong with laughing and having fun neither, as long as you keep focusing on what you're doing.

[@OctoBox]

King Robinson

[@jiujitsumexico]

anybody knows where does the word "Grovit" come from? Big respect to Master Robinson RIP

[@XanderMarshall]

catch wrestling is influenced by Jui-jitsu more so than the other way around. Even back then, Catch was an ever-evolving classical hybrid wrestling style.

[@seanquigley88]

snap , crackle and pop

[@centrodeestudosdejiujitsue3672]

oss

[@sleepykid156]

catch as catch can is a wrestling style from britain i think, unlike Greco Roman and Freestyle, joint lock submission can be used to win the match

[@popcornr35]

Being taught by a legend? I'd be giggling like a little school girl as well!

[@3Pillers]

👍

[@judorican973]

Catch wresting Effective!

[@harlo1979]

Brutal move ends a fight

[@MrPrestige350]

Nice instruction, thanks. On a side note, wow, the years have not been kind to Trey Parker, Jesus......hes got some city miles on him :(

[@Gitohandro]

Who's the old guy?

[@RezbisGrappleStrike]

+Gitonga Mwaniki Billy Robinson

[@CaveSmoker]

What school is this?

[@Themorganmckell]

Mushin in North salt lake UT

[@Themorganmckell]

Morgan McKell It in a different location now. This video was filmed a few years back.

[@KJGould]

I think Billy is in Arizona, not Utah

[@ashleyf1817]

Bet he was one mean dood in the day

[@bluedemoncmll]

in salt lake city

[@XanderMarshall]

They were about even. It's only natural that when they came in contact, they influenced each other. The guard game is uniquely found in kodokan judo/juijitsu. Catch has no guard game.

[@mariamamart8086]

In this 0:04 that guy is Brazilian Catch Wrestler Marco Ruas but he is so strange !!!!!!!! 🧐🤔🧐🤔

[@cdlravenwolf]

You would think that having the honor to be taught by a legend and a great wrestling teacher would keep someone from giggling like a school girl everytime they feel pain.

[@AverageAsianMe]

@The0extra0guy He won by decision. Watch the fight again.

[@sanderknol]

At the end of the video I misheared "The fun face lock is what it's called in wrestling now." Not that's an ironic name that will stick with me for a while. The fun face lock XD

[@KJGould]

Knock when it hurts.

[@franktower9006]

Ramsey Dewey brought me here.

[@everlasting1154]

Whats the escape?

[@pikkon899]

There is no escape. The Grovit is meant to stop an escape and stop the take down in catch wrestling. As you can see, it doesn't take much stop someone once it's slapped on. Like what was said in the video, unless you're up against a wrestler with a very large neck and shoulders, this is very effective in stopping a take down or preventing an escape. This is a dangerous move and it's illegal (like most cranks) in some matches due how easy it is to snap someone's neck with it either by the wrestler applying pressure or by the wrestler trying to get out of it.

[@everlasting1154]

Pikkon89 I found a video of an old time catch wrestler talking about the escape. It was easy and brutal.

[@pikkon899]

Please share it! I would love to see it. I've always heard that you can't escape it.

[@everlasting1154]

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