Tales from The Hangman's Record. Episode Nine. Ernest Kelly - 17th December 1913 Manchester.

[@trinovantian1]

Grimly fascinating and brilliantly presented……..that music is haunting.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Appreciate that... just a little something I composed and played when the original copyright free music I had chosen and used in the first three episodes turned out to have too many limitations attached :)

[@trinovantian1]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 - Well done…..it’s spot on.

[@MrsJHarrington]

Very well researched and an excellent presentation, a sad case, but I do believe justice was served.

[@philipinchina]

Spot on as always.

[@hilaryraza4561]

Fascinating as always

[@jontallon73]

This is by far the most detailed and thoroughly researched crime/ history channel I know. Respectful and often moving

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Kind words indeed thank you

[@mikewilliams4438]

What bothers me about the Craig and Bentley case was that Bentley had already been arrested, therefore was out of the equation, the fatal shooting happened after the burglary had been discovered and acted upon, a separate incident, subsequent to the first. Thanks Steve your presentation is first class😊

[@martimartimart3817]

I look forward to each episode Steve! Thank you.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Its great to hear a local story, read with an appropriate accent! My hometown. Very good production! 😁

[@frootmcgoose3076]

Brilliantly told Steve!

[@roytetwart]

Very interesting. Thank you. Thank God for the subtitles!

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

my accent too broad? :)

[@roytetwart]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 Yes, sorry. I know I've moaned about it before. But your videos are so interesting, I don't want to miss a word! I thought I might treat myself to one of your books but the cost is totally out of reach! So disappointing. Anyway, keep up the good work, I'm totally hooked on your channel!!!

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@roytetwart which books mate? Email me on [e-mail] and I'll see what I can do

[@jamesguitar7384]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 In defence of the regional accents of Northern Britain ( and yours is soft and pleasant to the ear ) when Eastenders came out there were thousands of requests from Scotland for subtitles .

[@vixen666ful]

wonderful...great story 🌷

[@paulharrison827]

Thank you for another fantastic episode in a brilliant series ,

[@JohnnyPeacock1959]

Me too.

[@1089maul]

Steve, Thanks for yet another interesting episode. Great introduction with a good ending of subsequent murders!

[@lyedavide]

Another very interesting story. Thanks for uploading it.

[@danfenton239]

Such a well-+structured piece . Well done

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Cheers Dan thank you, hope you enjoy the other epsides too

[@jamesguitar7384]

Proper research , attention to detail and hard work . This is marvellous and through it we are looking at what is now another world . The descriptions of the humanity of these people reminds us that their time was as real as ours .

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Kind words indeed. Thank you

[@colinsmith1288]

I love the music at the beginning of the intro. It is both ominous yet hauntingly beautiful. It tells quite rightly the theme of what is to come. The law was not very merciful in 1913 to people with possible disabilities who committed crimes of a grave nature.

[@davidhamm7909]

At least Kelly was spared the horrors of World War 1. I Just found this channel yesterday and have subscribed. Excellent series.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Cheers David I hope you continue to enjoy the content

[@david-pb4bi]

It probably saved Hilton’s life, because he dodged the war.

[@joehart7260]

Fascinating stuff once again Steve, thank you. One suggestion I would offer for a future episode is that of Walter Graham Roland.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Already done mate, should be posted before Christmas

[@gunnyhartman2]

Yet again very interesting.

[@HarpurheyPaul]

Your channel is remarkable : you are a gifted storyteller and compassionate narrator with an innate sense of social history. You reveal the sad and hard realities of history without an ounce of sensationalism or moral posturing . Many a journalist and historian could learn from you . Subscribed. Recommending to all my friends.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Kind words indeed thank you

[@tonyholt90]

Great listen as usual 👍

[@jonfitz2278]

Absolutely brilliant mate

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

thanks for you comments. If you don't already can I ask you please to take a few moments to subscribe to the channel, to help keep it going and also be notified when new content is posted. Cheers. Steve

[@TheDrednaught]

Very interesting case as always

[@stewartmcmanus3991]

History never fails to repeat itself.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

thanks for you comments. If you don't already can I ask you please to take a few moments to subscribe to the channel, to help keep it going and also be notified when new content is posted. Cheers. Steve

[@jamesrichardson-king9359]

Fascinating!

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

thanks for you comments. If you don't already can I ask you please to take a few moments to subscribe to the channel, to help keep it going and also be notified when new content is posted. Cheers. Steve

[@williamkennedy5492]

Thank you another excellent video, it was i think Kelly's friend who knew there was money etc to " be had" and that was the start of the process which led to a death,

[@mscott9632]

How about an episode on Pierrepoint's executions in Europe after WW2. There is scant information out there on the web.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I've written about some and listed them all in my book Pierrepoint: A Family of Executioners. There is very little known on most of the 200 or so he hanged apart from Kramer, Grese and a few others

[@ShirleeKnott]

this comment for feeding the ever hungry algorithm it's favorites are comments, replies and likes to them

[@jbos5107]

Steve I really enjoy your videos. I was wondering if your books are available as audio books?

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Only Pierrepoint: A Family of Executioners at the moment but I am planning to do my other books as podcasts

[@pipersson9258]

May I suggest a program on Persulious Crosby, the 1950 murderer of Ruth Massey in Leeds, we are enjoying your programs, but would suggest you add to it the execution of WW2 Nazi Holocaust killers, both men and women arrested from 1945 onwards.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I've written about that case in my book Hanged at Manchester and have a file on him. Unfortunately I don't have a pic of Crosby for my title slide so he's not currently under consideration.

[@pipersson9258]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 I will try and get you a photo, I had two Crosby cousins, two brothers long dead, whose offspring? may have photos. An idea for you: People who should have been hanged but weren't. I can easily find twenty five who would have been improved by being dropped. And what about photos-SERIES of the old execution chambers in the UK? The worst law ever passed was the 1964, to abolish hanging bill.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@pipersson9258 if you are able to get any photos of Crosby that would be great. Email me at [e-mail] cheers

[@markdavies1205]

The picture at 5.50 is of the Goose Fair in Nottingham before 1924, when the old Council House (behind the fairground attractions) was demolished, and the new one completed in 1926.

[@martintimothy1915]

13:58 Steve says, "back in 1889 two youths were hanged at Maidstone.." The two Coombes brothers Robert aged 12 yrs & Nathaniel aged 13 yrs were charged with their mother's murder, neither was hanged. Robert was found guilty and sentenced to an indefinite period in Broadmoor Hospital for the Criminally Insane, he was released in 1912 at age 30 after serving 17 years, he died at Coffs Harbour Hospital in NSW Australia on 7 May 1949 aged 67 yrs. Nathaniel Coombes who was found not guilty died in Newcastle, New South Wales in 1946 at age 69 yrs, he had enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force early in the First World War, and won the Military Medal in October 1916 for conspicuous bravery as a stretcher-bearer during the Gallipoli Campaign. Wiki.

[@troybettles3007]

Love these little documentaries. Steve, have you considered covering international hangings or executions ?

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Yes I have Troy, but that will be in my mostly murder series

[@troybettles3007]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 Nice one mate. Looking forward to it.

[@mikeyg679]

Another great video, keep them coming please, do you have any Scottish ones ? 😀😀

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Cheers Mike, yes I have already got a couple in productions. I'll hopefully be featuring Burnett 1963 and Fraser & Rollins 1920 in the not too distant future

[@terryroots5023]

Another sad tale. Daft laddies.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

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[@chrissearer1896]

Smash the Like button and make a comment, let’s get this channel into TC algorithm ❤❤❤🎉

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Kind words thanks

[@pabmusic1]

There's quite a lot of case law on 'joint enterprise' and the modern view is different from 1913.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

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[@pabmusic1]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 Done.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@pabmusic1 appreciate that thank you.

[@geezerp1982]

and yes no; after 1957 the felony murder rule was abolished and the act stated that both parties must have murderous intent to both be guilty of murder , however the Accessories and Abettors Act 1861 still stands which states viz; 8Abettors in misdemeanors. Whosoever shall aid, abet, counsel, or procure the commission of [F1any indictable offence] , whether the same be [F1an offence] at common law or by virtue of any Act passed or to be passed, shall be liable to be tried, indicted, and punished as a principal offender.

[@JohnDoe-px4ko]

Didn’t they have to get search warrants in those days?l

[@tango6nf477]

In cases such as this people often said that the sentence should be for the Judge to decide rather than there be a sentence fixed by law making the death penalty obligatory. This sounds ideal on the face of it but when you consider how inconsistent judgements might become with each Judge having differing opinions, prejudices and subjected to pressures it surely would not lead to justice. One person would be hanged where another convicted of an identical crime might be sentenced to life. It took Parliament a long time to find the solution which was to end capital punishment.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

thanks for you comments. If you don't already can I ask you please to take a few moments to subscribe to the channel, to help keep it going and also be notified when new content is posted. Cheers. Steve

[@geezerp1982]

actually after 1957 two degrees of murder were enacted; capital and non capital murder ! unfortunately, the felony murder rule was abolished in 1957 except if both felons could be shown to have murderous intent .

[@charlesciminera5881]

Exactly and it was the correct one

[@TheDangerworm]

Steve , have a look into the Abdy farm murders 1912 . Walter Sykes was hung for them but locals thought the father was the murderer and that Sykes was innocent .

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I've researched it briefly for the books.. Hanged April 1913

[@geezerp1982]

hanged NOT HUNG ! a curtain is hung, a felon is hanged

[@brandyjean7015]

Definitely not the shiniest pennies in the roll.

[@gmanette188]

Binge watching

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Thank you, hope you continue to enjoy them :)

[@dyejohn1905]

the Combes boys were never hanged.

[@musicologo1able]

The narration could be a bit slower...Not easy to follow...

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Noted. :)

[@spudspuddy]

have to slow the video down as you read very fast with a strong accent, hard to understand and i'm english !

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Noted and thanks for the feedback. I'll try to make sure the next one is slower :) I am aware I do talk fast and it is something I have tried to address. I had it checked by a couple of friends before publishing and was told it was fine...

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I think I've hopefully addressed this on later videos.

[@spudspuddy]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 Good videos, very interesting as I've not heard of some of these before and I'm an avid reader of the British Newspaper Archive, subbed to your channel, well done you've put in such a lot of hard work making these videos, cheers

[@lilpix2644]

so sad

[@rogerkearns8094]

Not altogether dissimilar to Craig and Bentley.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Yes I mention that in the conclusion. I think the biggest difference between the two cases is that in this case both carried out the brutal attack whereas in the Bentley case it was Craig alone who fired the shot and Bentley was simply convicted thru joint enterprise and allegedly encouraging Craig to shoot. Look out for a forthcoming episode on Appleby and Ostler 1940 that has far more similarities to Craig and Bentley than this one

[@rogerkearns8094]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 _I mention that in the conclusion._ Sorry, I don't know how I missed that. _allegedly_ Yes, well. I suspect that the words _Let him have it, Chris!_ were a fabrication.

[@geezerp1982]

@@rogerkearns8094 yes it was a fabrication however, it was not needed by the crown, all they prove, was that that two of them set out and agreed to commit felony - thats it - and if one person murders a person during the commisson of felony, both are guilty

[@rogerkearns8094]

@@geezerp1982 Fair enough, thank you.

[@noonoo5196]

Edward hiltons illegitimate son was my grandad

[@salty4496]

:)

[@zzyya]

"Take the stand". Don't British people go into the witness box?

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

They do indeed, but as the videos are watched overseas too I don't think the term is out of place in the context it's used :)