Talib Kweli And Supernatural Talk Freestyle, Rap Battles & New York Hip-Hop History | People's Party

In this episode of People's Party, Talib Kweli and co-host Jasmin Leigh sit down with the man, the myth, the freestyle legend -- MC Supernatural. Over the next hour and twenty minutes, we get a deeply candid (and rare) discussion with one of the greatest off-the-dome rappers of all time. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including Nat's (born Reco Price) early life growing up in Marion, Indiana and his move to Brooklyn, were he met Talib while freestyling in Washington Square Park. Together, the two friends look back on the pre-fame days -- soaking up culture and smoking trees in '90s-era Brooklyn, New York.
Later in the show, Nat lays down the true-to-life stories behind his infamous freestyle sessions with Craig G and Juice -- two rap battles that changed hip-hop forever. He also sheds light on his spiritual side and deep immersion in the religion of Yoruba, before opening up about his mother's emotional reaction to seeing him featured in the "Pass the Mic" episode of Netflix's Hip-Hop Evolution.
As the convo continues, Nat offers details on a new album in the works, gives his take on the difference between "freestyle" vs. "off the top of the head" flows, and offers some truly inspiring words to those involved in today's conscious rap movement.
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Interview timing:
3:10 -- Nat reacts to making Talib's (as well as many others) all-time top 5 battle rappers list, and speaks on his hometown of Marion, Indiana with its long history of racism.
8:14 -- Nat details the people and moments that inspired his migration from Marion to Brooklyn, NY.
12:53 -- Nat speaks on early days as a young kid honing his craft of freestyling, by rapping over the instrumental side of his dad's 12" singles.
17:05 -- Nat gives us the backstory to where his rap name originated from, and Talib brings up Washington Square Park, where the two met in the early '90s and the historic freestyle sessions that happened there, along with the "Dreads Connect" phenomenon.
22:38 -- Talib and Nat reminisce on all the best weed spots in 90's Brooklyn, the significance of the Nkiru bookstore, as well as the deep multi-cultural aspect of BK during that era.
31:46 -- Nat explains everything that led up to the recording of his debut single "Buddah Blessed It," and the first public rap battle session he participated in where everyone realized the art of freestyling had just gone next level.
40:27 -- Nat tells the full story of his historic 1995 freestyle rap battle with Craig G at the New Music Seminar -- a night that changed the trajectory of both rappers' careers. He outlines every detail, from how The Lyricist Lounge Show hosts orchestrated the battle to Diddy (Puff Daddy at the time) being on stage and keying in on the crowd energy.
53:39 -- Nat compares and contrasts freestyle vs. written rap in the broad realm of hip-hop. He also calls out those that have imitated his styling techniques in an exploitative manner and schools them on the correct approach they should be taking to move the culture forward.
59:27 -- Nat outlines his famous rap battle with Juice and how it helped him gain respect and redemption after the infamous Craig G battle. He also unpacks the impact of these sorts of freestyle showdowns and explains how this one affected both his and Juice's careers.
1:10:10 -- Nat opens up about his spiritual mentor, and godfather John Mason and the elements surrounding the Yoruba religion and spirits of Orisha.
1:13:36 -- Nat speaks on his prominent feature in Netflix's Hip-Hop Evolution, his upcoming album, tells us the differences of "freestyle" vs. "off the top of the head," and gives some food for thought on the future of the conscious rap movement.
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[@uproxx]

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[@markgillan3750]

Good fellas mmm

[@markgillan3750]

Fuck I Am the meá stronger.. SPazzin life... Walking with respect... Zzz ag éist

[@markgillan3750]

Listening 2 super not giving a fuck...

[@matanahjoy]

The People NEED to hear more from this brother!

[@Neckproblems78]

UPROXX Video Chino XL would be a very interesting interview make that happen y’all ✌🏾

[@RusteT1]

That’s not what Harry Mack said in that video, all go watch for yourself. Harry Mack is nothing but humble, go watch his videos, it’s evident. This is a a true example of Ego before intellect. And don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a fan of Supernat since the early 90s, this is just really disappointing.

[@wegschan]

"I've had people come up to me and tell me that some of the things I say, some of the rhythms I use and the way I flow over the beat remind them of Biggie, and to me that's one of the highest compliments you could receive..." Harry Mack With all due respect, Supernatural, please try to interpret it correctly. Its not so hard.

[@Gabisu93]

​Guy turned into a mad rapper real quick. I sense nothing but frustration in his speech, and hate towards my man Harry Mack, and not only. "I did this and that" "I stardet it" "I don't need a honorable mention", man please! He likes to get his ass kissed. He started it, thank God he did, but that's all. Why does he need another kind of homage besides a big thanks? Harry Mack would never act like this, and never did, although he's the greatest freestyler. Why does Supernat acts like these guys ows him a cut? "With all respect for Supernatural, he sounds like an old crackhead here. He clearly didn't listen to what HMack said and twisted it for the pointless discussion in the video. Instead of positioning himself as being one of the freestyle greats, empowering the young artists and his own legacy, he chose to shit on everyone else while grasping to the non-existing strain of relevancy. Harry would never do something like that, and that's partially why he is the greatest freestyle artist (not just rapper) in the world."

[@Jonnhy_24]

@@Gabisu93true Man Mack Said in a Interview that he can't wait for New freestyle rappers to come UP, MC juice , king Los and blind Fury who are Very good freestyle rappers have gave props to Harry, this Man right here is Just mad , I have seen some of his freestyles and he is good, one of the best freestylers i have seen, but Harry is the best without a doubt, supernatural should be honored because of Harry i get to know him, but because of this attitude i Will never listen to him again, and Harry gives people real happyness thats why he Will have is name on the history, and even in 3000's Harry music Will be Heard, Just like Beathoven, Mozart are Still listened and apreciated today, yeah Thats the Power of Harry mack music, If supernatural made a live performance and had HMack with him to make a surprise to the crowd that would people Go Crazy, and people would respect supernat even If HMack killed the show, but doing this shit right here? Sooner or later this shit Will come back to his ass

[@Jonnhy_24]

@@Gabisu93 i Just know that Harry is disapointed with this shit even If he didnt talked about It to the fans, because supernat its on his top ten list

[@MerlinZuni]

Can’t remember being this disappointed in someone I look up to. Can only image how Harry feels. 😢

[@piotrd7718]

For the hate on Harry Mack I don't respect this guy anymore, he twisted the words, looked up to this clip and see what's his really saying, watch Mac videos and see how talented he is, its seems like his annoyed by his talent.

[@DDBeltranDD]

Truth

[@mattpoole719]

@@DDBeltranDD Sadly this is right. Longtime Supernat fan but he salty as hell. And don't compare Mack to Chris Turner, they don't come from the same place.

[@MerlinZuni]

This shit is so sad, Harry is so humble. For someone that the H Mack looks up to throwing that much hate his way. Man, never meet your heroes. They will only disappoint you. I am so disappointed in Supernatural & Tablib Kweli. Not sure they understand how much H Mack is doing for Hip Hop culture.

[@k.a.n.e8636]

@@MerlinZunihe isn’t doing anything for the culture lol , just recycled lyrics over trashy beats. He can spit no doubt but he isn’t a pioneer like Nat is.

[@blk_diamond83]

Wow, Supernatural was straight tripping lumping in Harry Mack with Chris Turner. Harry unlike Chris is a student of the game, gives respect to all the rappers that have come before him. His interpretation of what Harry said in the Biggie mural segment is categorically false.

[@philipgali6205]

Exactly +

[@lewokejames]

Amen to that !!! So glad many people are seeing abd realizing this. He sound about as bad as Lord Lamar hating on Eminem here lol and anyone who knows that whole scenario knows Jamar has zero ground to stand on for his arguments other than pure jealousy and hate

[@MikeyWhoaOfficial]

If you check out Harry’s recent wordplay Wednesday #61 (Pete rock beats), he mentions supernatural 13 minutes and 50 second in... You probably don’t need me to tell you, it’s all respect, love, and positivity from Mack.

[@blk_diamond83]

@@MikeyWhoaOfficial yeah, he's given props to Supernatural a number of times, dude is humble af and is always positive and it's genuine, which is rare now a days. Shame that don't apply to everyone.

[@mattpoole719]

100000%

[@aah33]

When Supernatural talks about H-Mack: What in the un-education

[@junkymcjunkster]

It's quite sad when a man of great talent passes his prime and instead of taking satisfaction in having advanced the art, turns to attacking those that he inspired. SNat wants to own the idea of taking random words to perform an improvisational piece, but he didn't invent that, it has a long history in comedy and theatre. Was he the first to do it in rap? Who knows? Who cares? All artists are inspired by those that came before them. Now there is a new generation of freestylers and all SNat has is sour grapes. If he thinks he is better than the current group all he has to do is make a video to prove it. Instead he lies about things that we can all verify easily. When you no longer have talent and you're living on your legacy, the best way to wreck it is to become bitter and lash out at people who loved you. Superpathetic.

[@whatscreenname]

Very well said

[@codytrainor9861]

💯👊

[@mattpoole719]

Agreed, if people didn't like it, Mack wouldn't have blown up the way he has.

[@hemmesnitt586]

H Mack’s exact - when he's walking past the Biggie mural - words in the NYC Freestyle Video by Complex that SuperNat refers to: “What can I say about this man that hasn’t already been said, I mean, he’s, you know, he’s the definition of a hip-hop legend. I’ve had people come up to me and tell me that some of the things I say some of the rhythms I use and the way I flow over the beat reminds them of Biggie, and to me, that’s one of the highest compliments you can receive. Biggie had one of the best flows in the entire game. Like, even if you didn’t speak english and you didn’t understand what he was saying, just the rhythm of his voice and the way he lay back over the beat, is just infectious. He was so raw and honest. Like I love the opening cut…” Then it goes on with praise. All respect to MC Supernatural but go watch that video again and then go watch a Harry Mack livestream or any video and see how he does it for the people and I mean all people, all races, sexualities, social groups, the sad, the happy and those in need. He always and I mean ALWAYS puts the community and the people first and he pays homage to everyone that was before him. Even though the whole world knows that he is the best of the top, he always says that Supernatural is miles ahead. The most humble guy in hip-hop that’s for sure and seeing SuperNat say this pissed me off so much I had to write this comment.

[@mattpoole719]

Agreed. Also infuriating to see the other two agree and corroborate what he is saying clearly without having seen it themself. Get out of his ass for a minute.

[@DonChelione]

"If you haven't put in the work..." "Let the people call you a master first..." The ignorance is strong with this one. HM is always on the grind, and no one who has seen his Omegle bits, live streams etc. can deny his mastery.

[@mattpoole719]

The irony is people are calling Mack the master. He doesn't do it. I'm a long time Nat fan but Mack just elevated it, period. People are crowning him the best freestyler on the planet and they're not wrong.

[@lemsizzle3955]

Supernat obviously has never actually sat through anything Harry Mack has ever done because if he had truly listened, he would have recognized a master.

[@lewokejames]

Ok so..... Please link to whatever Harry Mack says about Biggie or Supernat that is out of line, disrespectful, or negative to the point where it's enough for y'all to feel disrespected or pissed off about, and as you admit in this video, have had conversations about harry mack with each other!? ....as far as I can tell thousands of Brooklyn residents Like the guy and enjoy what he does and feel no disrespect from him.

[@lewokejames]

ok i found it .... so first HE doesn't compare himself to BIGGIE in any way shape or form! - harry mack says EXACTLY this - " ....he's the definition of a hip hop legend. i've had >>PEOPLE COME UP TO ME & TELL ME

[@hehwhwh727]

he's hating him because he's jealous or whatever

[@etotheipi42]

He was hating on him because dude is biting his style or in the words of my people stealing his schtick and not doing it as well. Then to bring up that idiots compare you to biggie in Brooklyn that’s dumb as hell. It’s about a lack of respect. Did someone with a name that matters say that? No it was just some dick riding fan. Dude clearly has his head up his ass. Imagine listening to Talib Kweli and Supernatural agree that a dude sucks and being like nah man I know better he’s totally great they’re wrong for sure. Like wow that’s a special kind of ignorant right there. Manners are about how you make others feel and respect has to be earned. You are defending a guy who didn’t earn respect and who then failed to have proper manners in a place of cultural significance.

[@lewokejames]

@@etotheipi42 nah actually I'm just pointing out an old hating ass jealous old man. Nobody, harry mack or whoever, owes him or any other old school hip hop head anything. If he was out here being some dickhead talking shit that's one thing but the guy is 100% positive and respectful and is about spreading joy and happiness to people. And sorry to inform you but Harry Mack has already surpassed Supernat skill level lol. - he had his time, he's 50 yrs old now, never really "made it" and needs to just give it up already. And they agree that dude sucks? No listen again smart guy- Nat agrees that he cannot say that he cannot freestyle well, so of course because he's just a jealous old hating ass has been he needs to find any reason, and quite frankly it's because Harry is already BETTER than supernat period. The one with his head up his ass is Supernat.

[@AhsokaTano36BBY]

@@lewokejames No use arguing with jealous hating people who make up wrong doings to justify their annoyances. They don't deserve any respect. Let them be bitter.

[@michaelknobel7843]

@@lewokejames word!

[@Iwilldoyes]

LOVE SuperNat since he came to FAMU took a book out of my hand and started freestyling the pages!! In my mind, if he paid ANY Attention to what HARRY MACK was really doing he would be in love with MACK! Mack adores SuperNat. I mentioned SuperNat in a Livestream with Mack and he authentically when crazy! My brother you getting things out of a crowd or getting 3 words is not a "routine" It's just a method by which you displayed your brilliance! Harry Mack, has taken it to another level and Mack and put in 20 years perfecting his craft. Now, he is getting creative enough where is making a solid living off of it. That should be respected! It's unfortunate that SuperNat is taking this position. Talib, is in my top 5 MC of all time.. I have him ahead of Biggie and Pac.. Because I appreciate this CONTENT (important to me) more than the aforementioned. Yet, I am disappointed he cosigned on the Harry Mack hate. The other guy are talking about is an average good freestyler.

[@lewokejames]

Damn does it feel good to see others realizing the facts!!! Nat has even after this went on little childish rants on his IG about Harry Mack in the comments. If Nat applied the energy and time he does towards hating instead towards getting better at freestyling, he would still maybe be as good as H Mack.... But we all can clearly see how that has worked out as Harry continuously daily puts in the work and practice and throws ZERO HATE OR NEGATIVITY. each day that passes is another that Harry gets better and more recognition, and Supernat gets more forgotten - so good riddens at this point Nat can rot away for all i care

[@zamokwakhekumbe7491]

Don't get it twisted, those are routines.. also Nat had other routines like conversations with the dead etc. Furthermore rapping about random things takes practice and preparation.

[@lewokejames]

@@zamokwakhekumbe7491 exactky. Just like the 20 years of practice it took H Mack to get where he is today, which is at a level far surpassed that of Supernats talent. Only problem is Supernat wants to be a gatekeeper rather than a door opener

[@kevinscott59]

Wrong,homey. They're routines in the strictest sense of the word,meaning something that gets regularly employed as a practice.No one was doing stuff like that before Nat.He even employed the "routine" in his battle against Mad Skills at the New Music Seminar battle.

[@MD-qz1wx]

@@kevinscott59 I'm a little older than Supernatural, but I remember Kool G Rap, Kool Moe Dee, Rakim and others freestyling back then using similar "routines" on the streets. Now, everyone did not have a video recording device handy at every moment, so I doubt they were captured on recordings (you had to be there to see it), so anyone can claim they pioneered it. You can call it a routine if its part of your act, but Super Nat acting like he was the inventor of it is not true. I'm am not a rapper, but even my friends and I would try to do it for fun at school.

[@michaelknobel7843]

Supernat sounds like the bitter old gramps on the frontporch, yellin "everything was better back then" and "show some respect!" while wavin hin crane

[@puluzu]

What the hell is he talking about Harry Mack comparing himself to Biggie. I've seen the video and he's paying homage to Biggie and Nas, definitely not comparing himself to them or in any way trying to imply himself to be their equal. That's complete bullshit.

[@b7fLuid]

hey man, what's the timestamp for that? This is a long interview.

[@BCbubbleman]

Yo Talib, you owe it to yourself to seriously get Mack on your Show.. Supernatural just straight hating in his comments here. Non of this is accurate in any way> It just shows how petty his vibe has become to not accept a man like Harry Mack who truly is an anomaly. Just go check out any of his bars on Omegle and most importantly read the comments. This man is SUPER Respected, and thats better than Super natural every time ;)

[@sudarshc.k7300]

The Whole world is in love with freestyle rap because of 🔥 HARRY MACK 🔥 , I know supernat b'cos harry mentioned him... He should be thankful , not hate him

[@brunovyf7996]

I mean.. Chris Turner is more like a comedian.. and his youtube titles are kinda clickbaiting. But that’s ok cause no one would ever compare him to the real freestyle rappers. He just don’t have that flow. But c’mon.. Harry don’t deserve this kind of judgment. He’s full of respect and he’s so humble. His skills are insane and in my opinion he’s the one that brings back freestyle to a larger audience.

[@mattpoole719]

Totally man, agreee

[@DanielLopez-cy5yj]

God damn, this interview should be mandatory curriculum for all students of the culture.

[@msja540]

Big Facts

[@mobspeak]

What culture, Marxism?

[@mynamemeanschurch6825]

I salute that statement

[@dustinsaidtoney2547]

@@mobspeak ??????

[@eastnewyorka22]

Danny L Deadass you ain’t lying

[@sabfit4life277]

This is so sad. SNat had so much respect but to hate on H Mack like that 😢 he sounds like he actually saw the biggie clip yet Mack says nothing of the sorts. The way he's perceived it begs the question, was his mind already made up? Bcos when that's the case, you can see and hear what you want 🤷‍♂️😔 hope hes enlightened one day! Ha 🙏

[@deepestlight]

He definitely knows that Harry's bigged him up to the high heavens now. That's why he wound his neck in. I hope he get's better in himself because this felt like him losing his mental health and becoming some kind of paranoid, obnoxious, gate keeper.

[@Kayko2000]

I've seen a lot of Harry Mack, Supernatural, and Chris Turner vids over the years. Supernat is skilled and was groundbreaking, but side by side with Harry Mack today, it's no contest. So we can definitely give props to SN for paving the way at a level not seen before him; but it's HM's time and he's next level. Chris Turner doesn't nearly have as much style/flow/skills as an MC. If you watch anything he's done during COVID where he's out on the street doing quick "throwing out words" freestyles, he's out of his element. BUT Chris Turner really shines when he can display his breadth of knowledge - so when he gets super complex suggestions from his live show crowds, he can spin those into impressive raps.

[@kramers.3194]

BIG PUN - I'm shootin' at you, and that's off the top like Supernatural!!!

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

john doe hahaha exactly! word!

[@100timessquare]

I miss the old NY, hanging out at Fat Beats, running around Times Square, lower east side, uptown, BK. Rent was cheap, the city was dangerous but it was fun. Smoking in Washington Square Park, hip hop was everywhere, Africans selling fake Rolex watches, hoping the Train running from cops etc...RIP Rock and soul, fat beats, music factory, Beat Street and all the mom and pops stores. RIP the real NY, I miss you!

[@IbelieveinJesusAmen]

Bro, I could see, hear, smell, and feel all of that. My feeling about society and music in general.

[@kevinscott59]

100timessquare I met Bobbito at Fat Beats in Atlanta.lol Every city dwelling 90s head in America can tell that same story.

[@jdovma1]

What Harry Mack said was WAY more respectful than what Nat is saying. But if you're looking for faults you're gonna find them.

[@sil3ss]

SNat comes off as an old salty hater in this interview. Stop spreading lies. Lost a bunch of respect for him while listening to him talking.

[@mattpoole719]

Facts

[@larsholliger2814]

How can he disrespect H Mack... and tell false lies about this Humble dude... H Mack, when he talked about Biggie, he said it so nice, Humble and not even close to what SN said in that interview...

[@samba2782]

Love Supernat but the way he lied on H-Mack makes him look really bad. Nat, please check out Harry Mack!!!

[@meech37]

God, supernat looks so ignorant talking about Harry Mack. "If you are a master of the craft then I don't have an issue". Old mans just mad he's washed and someones better than him. Harry is the humblest rapper in the game, comparing himself to Biggie is not in his vocab.

[@royshrira1749]

my native language isn't English and I still understand that harry mack did not compare himself to biggie and only gave him respect. he is the most humble guy that I have seen and a really good person ... even when he was on Windy City T.V. he said that the best freestyler in the world is supernat, he is number one fan of yours and you disrespect him? i think you did not understand what he said or you just hate him cuz you think that people love him more then they love you or something, and the things you said about harry copied your freestyle ideas like the 3 words and rapping about random things you see. so first of all you do not need to be a genius to think about that, it's not a complex idea like AL or inventing the computers, second thing is eventhough you "invented" those ideas, they're not yours. you don't have a registered patent of it, it's like the person who invented houses would say that people should not live in homes because he invented this. and last, people can say the same about you, that you copied the idea of ​​rapping from the first ever rapper, so this is really immature in my opinion. every idea in this world is an improvement of other idea, the guy who invented the car copied from the guy who discovered the wheel. the guy who invented the airplian copied the idea of ​​wings from birds, without copying and improving one from the other the world would still had no internet and technology ... so do not let it to be ugly, instead of dissing, join harry and collaborate with him, I would like to see that ... spread love, not hate, there is plenty of space for every one in the hearts of hip hop lovers ...

[@Jonnhy_24]

My Native language isnt english aswell , but yeah , Harry's worldplay and his flows are Crazy as hell, and nobody can do that, honestly Harry Mack for me is the best rapper, Listening to him is so refreshing, King Los, MC juice have gave shout out to HM , supernatural is not dumb, he understands vocabulary better than us, so he knows that Harry didn't compare himself with biggie, harry talked about biggie in a Redbull Interview but he didnt compared himself to biggie, supernatural is Just twisting the facts because he have been called by many the best freestyler for along time and he feels threaten, but come on...

[@Jonnhy_24]

It would be cooler If he invited HM to some live performance or something and make a surprise to the crowd, people would respect supernat for that even If HMack stealed the show, but twisting facts like that? Thats something that can come back for him....

[@jasonerickson1753]

When Juice freestyled on Sway, he said that all he needs is King Los and Harry Mack: "“I don’t give a f*ck, I need him, King Los and Harry Mack / then you could bring Terry back”". Video here: instagram.com/p/B8eytOXjkkR/?igshid=ty1thn3o8w9c King Los freestyled with Harry Mack and said he wants to open doors for the next generation rather than be a gatekeeper trying to keep the next gen rappers down. Then he invited Harry Mack to record an album with him. Video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHjYm2aKhLt0Zq8 Supernatural wants credit? Here's Harry Mack giving him credit already back in 2017, for his talent, for how he inspired Harry Mack, and even for the routines that Supernatural introduced. Then he tells people to watch video of Supernatural in action to appreciate his abilities. Supernatural just wasted time trashing one of his biggest and most talented fans. facebook.com/harrymack/posts/1365594433527629/

[@hakeemmuhammad9701]

A Talib And Super Nat Album Would Be CRAZY!!!🔥🔥✊🏽

[@th3rd3arplan3tradio]

Tony hawks underground put me on to supernatural. Then again skateboarding put me on to a hell of alot of underground hip hop. I'm so blessed & thankful to have this music in my life.

[@uproxx]

Skateboarding as hip hop is one the greatest marriages of all time

[@MBellish]

NBA Ballers put me on Supernatural.

[@MrFatikal]

This dude does nothing else than proof truly talented Rappers right while looking silly af J Cole on "Let Nas down": "Reintroduce them to honesty, show 'em that they need more The difference between the pretenders and the Kendrick Lamars" Kendrick Lamar after hearing Harry Mack freestyle: "... you saying I am great in your eyes, but you great in my eyes because you inspire me. you know what i am saying ..." I don't think you need to add any more to make your point. Just kind of sad that it happens on Kweli's platform ...

[@toneriggz]

That freestyle that Supernat did at Fat Beats NY on the final day was incredible. I'm glad I was there to bear witness.

[@oranebrown9275]

This dude is so salty, Harry never called himself a master. People gave him props. If you listen to what Harry said was that he is honored to be mention with biggie

[@natsudragoneel9601]

Damn dawg how you gunna dis on Harry Mack like that? You learn to listen better😢

[@mattpoole719]

I'm a long long time Supernat fan but he's way off on the Harry Mack stuff. I've seen the NYC video he mentioned, Harry does nothing but pay homage to Biggie. Guy is always paying respect to the people that came before him and talking about his influences. Sorry to say but this comes off as straight clownish and disappointed to see Nat sink to that level.

[@vhongvidal3610]

Supernat your out of your league with Harrymack. And who tells you that your the one that needs to set the bar? I saw your freestyle it's so basic compared to Harrymack beat plays. who steals who? have you seen harrymacks happy hour? It's a continuous freestyle lasting for hours. Unlike your bighead self proclaimed master Harrymack is very humble and giving positive vibes to all his fans. Improve your skills maybe you could catch up to HM. HM is still the GOAT

[@marcoreali5197]

This interview is DEEP. I remember seeing Suparnat live in Brugge, Belgium and feeling honored to have seen him live. Seeing him now to what he has become is so cool, he's an inspiration and an example!!!

[@SpideySensei72]

This dude singlehandedly controlled the tempo of 'Rock the Bells 2010' at Merriweather when Lauryn Hill was nearly 3 hrs late. We were outside sweating like slaves and miserable af, but SuperNat started freestyling off what people in the crowd were wearing and got everyone to calm back down. He's a legend in my book just for that. He deserves so much more recognition!

[@TheJDeuce]

I first heard SuperNatural spazzing on The Wake Up Show freestyle CDs. Killed every time. 🔥 interview !

[@anthonymcmillan8273]

The "Sway and Tech freestyle battle" between Supernatural and Juice was EPIC!! In my opinion I thought it was a tie! Both of them went in! NOBODY in hip hop is capable of freestyling for an HOUR!! History was made that day. He definitely is creative!! One of the 🐐's!!

[@ray1411]

Anthony Mcmillan Yeah, I remember that shit. I swore him and Juice would take over Hip Hop.

[@jasonerickson1753]

Every week, several days per week, Harry Mack does 2-3 hour freestyles on his livestreams. When his KZbin channel hit 500k subscribers, he celebrated with a 5 hour freestyle and promised a 10 hour freestyle when he hits 1M subscribers. All off-the-top, constantly taking words and ideas suggested / requested by his audience.

[@anthonymcmillan8273]

@@jasonerickson1753. That a whole lot of MASSIVE talking and thinking all at once! Definitely DESERVES not only awards and plaques but MASSIVE RESPECT too!! For people that don't even know or remember what he's done have fickle memories and are brainwashed by mumble rap. People can like what they want but it's too saturated.

[@itree4]

@@jasonerickson1753 i think they were talking about freestyling for an hour battling. It's alot different than just freestyling because you aren't attacking and getting attack by another emcee.

[@johanskold8890]

Freestyling is not making a song people will actually play more than once.

[@theodoreyoung4004]

This episode made my day!!! Thank you TALIB for this !! SUPER NAT is one of the Greatest ever.🎤 👊

[@AmbassadorAusar]

Two of my favorite brothers in Hip Hop chop it up. Man Supernatural is a legend with the freestyles and I have seen it first hand many times. Who remembers the legendary battle between Supernatural and Craig G?? I never heard Nat fumble or mess up in all my years listening to him. Never!👊🏾

[@larsholliger2814]

He definitely never really watched anything of harry mack... if he would have.. he would never had said this shit... Harry only shows love and respect to anyone even to SN.. and he is just an jealous man... the only thing i hear when he is talking about mack is envy...

[@cliffandrewmalate5001]

I would say supetnatural WAS the king of freestyle! Harry mack IS the king of freestyle!

[@mattpoole719]

Yup. This all day

[@BCbubbleman]

Sorry to see you guys take this perspective on HARRY.. He is truly a kind and exceptional person. His skill level is also nearing Mastery of that there is no doubt.> he's been doing it for 18 years.. When you say PUT IN THE WORK.. how many decades does he need to have to fit into your club? you guys sound old and outdated.. I would love to hear you bring this up with the Luminary podcast crew and have a REAL conversation about it. not this ego bullshit.. My two cents.. For anyone that wants to see just how powerful Harry's connections are that are being made, check out omega 18, last guy . Enjoy

[@lavabeard5939]

The Harry Mack/Chris Turner segment starts at about 54:32

[@MavDillain]

Pfffff THANK YOU man!!! Had to go through 200 comments to find a timestamp for this... I mean it's a dope podcast but let's see how I'm going to feel about it after I see what he says about H Mack lol

[@MavDillain]

Yeah that was some bullshit... Bad look for Supernat.. not sure about his drama with Chris Turner, but H Mack definitely didn't deserve any of that...

[@upliftrr]

Supernatural lost my respect. Harry Mack is 1000x better anyway :)

[@zamokwakhekumbe7491]

Never..

[@wgnst223]

@@zamokwakhekumbe7491 yeah never 1000x but 50000x

[@MikeyWhoaOfficial]

If you check out Harry’s recent wordplay Wednesday #61 (Pete rock beats), he mentions supernatural 13 minutes and 50 second in... You probably don’t need me to tell you, it’s all respect, love, and positivity from Mack.

[@pegasusgaming1844]

filled with respect

[@willipad2277]

Is Supernat really like this? Kinda sad

[@djrjboston]

Happy he brought the Yoruba culture into this

[@dustinsaidtoney2547]

I had the privledge to see both of these brothers live. I will always remember those shows. I saw SuperNatural in San Diego at a club called The Belly Up with The Roots during The Okay Player Tour. It was way out of control. Then I saw Talib Kweli, again in San Diego at a club called 4th and B. He was there with Erykah Badu that was an incredible night, too. Years later I was able to see Kweli in Portland Or, I think at The Roseland Theater and again it was incredible. I've been blessed to see some incredible shows from Sade to Rakim, Sizzla, Buddy Guy and even Stevie Wonder. I have to say that these brothers are top tier no matter what style of music you want to talk about. This is an incredible interview here and for those of you who don't know how serious Supenatural is, Craig G or Juice, go look up The The wake Up Show with Sway and Tech. Look up these battles and see what these guys were talking about.👍

[@jaygatling1977]

This the way he manifested when he Buddah Blessed It.

[@kontrolas]

‘Bless the mic with the Gods’ 🙌🏾

[@Wacha47]

Came to the comments to post juss that and seein its up bless ya

[@markgillan3750]

@@Wacha47 f7546332a3wa4%b

[@kevinscott59]

Jay Gatling You an ultra-hardcore head if you copped that joint when it dropped. Respect due.

[@IbelieveinJesusAmen]

That beat is so holiday smooth!

[@whitelight1567]

" If a man cant look into your eyes for two seconds he's a punk, don't mess with him." 👍

[@chip12424]

Not the truth. Simply a myth.

[@ErazerPhazer]

@@chip12424 you're obviously one of these people lol

[@chip12424]

@@ErazerPhazer Actually I was raised to look a man in the eyes, but as an educator I now know otherwise firsthand. Google works my man.....

[@ErazerPhazer]

@@chip12424 what.

[@chip12424]

@@ErazerPhazer Different cultures have different views on eye contact. Just google it.

[@SuperGreendayfan101]

Part of me thinks he’s hating on H Mack and Chris Turner cause they white smh

[@willipad2277]

Whitecard lol. Maybe it’s just cause supernat has a bad personality

[@RusteT1]

I do note that he’s not asking King Los to pay homage. You can connect the dots from there I feel.

[@mattpoole719]

They mentioned something about a "hierarchy" which made me think the same thing

[@Joseph3Banks]

As someone who's cheered for, respected the gift of and had that Buddah Blessed It maxi-cd, I appreciate this interview. In my eyes he is the best freestyler ever. But to hear this candid part of him was really dope. Even coming from Decatur, GA as a grown husband and father of 5 I am thankful to be a hip hop head for over 35 years. Hip Hop is more than beats and rhymes, it's life through adversity in order to better oneself. God bless yall...grace & peace.

[@roki8565]

I lived in Westchester County(White Plains area), then thr Bronx, Brooklyn , then Staten Island. I liked the othrr boroughs but Brooklyn( Brownsville) was my favorite. Never lived anywhere as culturally deep as BK. NYC as a whole I fell in love with. And I'm from the south- from Florida.

[@ambushrebel187]

Definitely one of the best interviews I seen all year

[@rondeisel]

Best interview ever. Supernatural is a certified Hip Hop pioneer of freestyle. With that being said, I think he hasn't broken through in a major way because he doesn't release music on a consistent basis. He will rip a stage in half but where are the albums? Where are the mixtapes? Ya gotta feed your fanbase. He released an album called SPIT years ago. It was a dope body of work. Fans need music. That's all. Much respect to the legend MC Supernatural! Salute Talib Kweli for hosting the best interview ever.

[@terrencwliburd3687]

He's dope 4r4r but always remember that Craig G, and The God King Sun wasn't slouches either wit dat freestyle shit.

[@rondeisel]

@@terrencwliburd3687 Absolutely. I knew Craig G had off the head skills back in the 80s. He used to do it on BLS on occasion. KRS one as well. I have to add Black Thought and many others. Freestyle Fellowship....Kool Keith...Nas....Mr. Man from Da Bush Babies.

[@Doug_Sweeney_]

Please get pharohae on this

[@rajz9138]

Second that

[@leehicks3172]

Thank you Talib & Nat🙏 That was a very special interview for me & I really appreciate all you both shared. Please keep these amazing interviews coming. Can you do one with Juice, one with Chino XL, one with Sage Francis, one with Slug, one with RZA, one with Pharoahe Monch, and maybe get Sly Boogy on for some questions about why he’s not doing more with his skills set. Lol, sorry I had to try cause those are all great lyricists that we need more of. Much love!

[@JoseGutierrez-hk2ky]

Fan of SuperNat since the 90's but think he did not take the time to study what Harry Mack said about Biggy. Harry Mack has elevated the art and has elevated the masses from elite driven demonic violent porn hip hop to conscious hip hop. The zombies are waking up because of this guy.

[@Mayimbe_]

Awesome interview! SuperNatural is Hip Hop culture icon that deserves major respect for his contributions. Listening to SuperNatural in this interview just made it clear that he needs his own podcast.

[@stephenking3717]

One of the coolest brothers I’ve had the pleasure of meeting. Dope individual indeed!

[@earlskinner615]

This was dope. Shout out to Brother Talib for channeling your creativity and pro blackness into yet another medium. Honestly I felt like I was ready for a 3 hour joint. This was a teaser to me just when SUPERNATURAL. started talking spirituality and freestyle was when I was like I need another couple of hours lol.

[@2222ez]

Indeed

[@GoalMusicGroup]

When it was at 1:10:00 and I saw it was close to the end disbelief came over me.

[@cluckyboyyo]

pro black is just a code word for anti white. foh with that bs

[@MrCbwTV]

There is no reason someone this talented should be struggling. What is the disconnect?

[@R.Es1]

Only issue that I as a fan can say is that his skills have not transcended well onto wax or he hasn't been able to make an actual well crafted full album. He's hands down 1 if the thee greatest Freestyle artist, but bringing that exact same delivery into the studio and creating 7 to 10 dope tracks that don't sound like he's freestyling is what has been his set back. That's just my opinion though, but I'll be waiting for his new record

[@kevinscott59]

R. ES I think it's a question of what kind of hip hop you prefer.Supernat doesn't make hits;he makes hardcore hip hop in a way that suits his talents. "Natural Disasters" was an incredible album in my view,both lyrically and musically. Bottom line--whenever you choose to feed the public content that nourishes them instead of poisoning them you're going to struggle in the industry.Period.

[@waynethompson5724]

He deserves all the support... period.

[@mishuoren394]

The fans don’t invest so basically he’s doing all that for y’all and you don’t buy none of his shit , It sucks but it’s the truth

[@damienmarshall350]

Talented people ain’t always willing to sell their soul

[@DISLautomatic]

BIG up Supernat! Yall should get the legendary Chi-town MC Juice on the show.

[@tim3yin]

That was great listening! I felt the energy, I felt like I was there! #vibe

[@LeadParalegal]

*We definitely need a part 2 to this! They didn't talk about the second Craig G battle and I wanted to hear more about the Washington Square Park days.*

[@jvelez1998]

Absolute Legend. On the Mount Rushmore of battle MCs. The Ciphers in Washington Square were the rap battle royal of the mid 90’s... priceless. Never to be forgotten.

[@humpum3427]

“.. and this is a lesson for any young artist: never let your ego control your intellect.“ They WHY SUPERNAT ur b*tching bout others TELLING LIES #supernag #harrymack

[@MrJohnQuality]

The first time I heard supernatural was on future flavors Pete Rock, & Marley Marl on Hot 97, buda blessed ....

[@obscura74]

Amazing...Great to see Supernatural in natural form...Be great to see Freestyle Fellowship / Project Blowed and their history with styling and free styling.

[@jasonerickson1753]

Supernatural just needlessly trashed one of his biggest fans, and probably the most talented of new-generation freestyle rappers. Harry Mack Wordplay Wednesday #61, starting at 13:51: kzbin.info/www/bejne/amaun6SrnNCgjaM "Let me drop a freestyle message Hold up, eh Y'all know that I'm nice off the brain But there's many dope freestylers up in this game.... I'm gonna drop a name, never casual Father of freestyle: Supernatural. Y'all gotta peep him if you never heard Cause the way he does his thing off the top is absurd. Supernatural was the biggest influence in my life The way he would get hella fly on the mike Right off the tip, with nothin written The first time I heard him spittin I was 12 years old, I said, "You must be kiddin' Cause this really being off the top, it isn't probable." The level of skill that he had, it seem impossible. Set me on my mission, from the way he would get loose One track, on "Lost Freestyle Files", it featured Juice. It was the classic battle when they went head to head. I said, "Who's this Juice?" Yeah, that's what I said." .... (goes on to give props to Juice, King Los, Gin, Mac Miller...)...and then keeps flowing for three more hours of off-the-top freestyle with terms and topics constantly requested / suggested by fans in his live stream. He does this several times per week, for hours at a time.

[@kwamesarfo-mensah5785]

As much as I've loved watching Supernatural freestyle over the years, I'm happy that I finally got to learn about Supernatural the person. Excellent interview!!

[@MonteC68WC]

I love Nat, great interview. Both these dudes been dope. Nat been my favorite for many many years so its all love, but his assessment of H Mack is way off. It took me years to give Mack Credit, but he shows nothing but love to the legends and is super humble and is great at lifting people up. Much Love Nat, keep spittin baby. Love to Juice too. I grew up going to the Good Life, real hip hop baby.

[@2222ez]

Love ya fam this was and is a must see. An open portal to some of the deepest recesses of your journey. I thank Talib for the platform and you for your light you continue to share. I over stand that light a little more. Peace and Blessings...

[@oranebrown9275]

I see why you mad, it’s because Harry was smart enough to figure out how to make some money from freestyle

[@Bubikoglu]

I've religiously watched all these People's Party vids but this may well be my favourite. The legend Supernatural got real deep here and I'm sure his words touched a lot of people here. Keep 'em coming Talib!

[@thedarkwolfking6849]

One of the Dopest Shows Ever!!! Mad Respect 4 Supernatural as a Man,His Freestyle Skills speak 4 Themselves and 2 Be Able 2 Display Life Lessons With Talib Kweli,Another Dope MC as well as a Man Makes This A Classic!!

[@caseyrogers935]

This was an incredible sit down. Thank you Talib for bringing Supernat on.

[@thecunninlynguist]

shout out to supernat and talib!

[@BizonURS]

and Harry Mack ... they are all fckn great

[@louiedias1363]

Supernat just bitter he could never be H.Macks level

[@piggyhard291]

Harry mack would eat this old raisin up. Mc super Natalie's straight hating on mack cause Nat is wack!

[@whitelight1567]

Harry Mack is doing the samething Nat was doing years ago. Harry Mack didn't bring nothing new to the game.

[@lewokejames]

@@whitelight1567 lol .... Harry Mack brought a skill level 5 times above nats "same ol same ol low intellect level sounds the same as 15 years ago" freestyles. The point is Harry has EASILY SURPASSED Nat, and "can't let go of the past simpletons" simply can't accept or acknowledge that. It's like the 1st guy to bounce a basketball says "oh I'm the best the master the all time great" and then Jordan comes along and he hates on him, puts him down and is just butthurt and bitter that he has been surpassed on something he invented or originated and continues to publicly hate on Jordan which in turn makes him look like an old bitter clown and a fool.

[@whitelight1567]

@@lewokejames On August 5, 2006, Supernatural set a new world record for the longest continuous freestyle rap at the Rock The Bells Festival in San Bernardino, CA. where he rapped for 9 hours and 15 minutes. Until Harry Mack set a world record better than Nat, he will never be better than Nat. 😎

[@FaysalAlZand]

@@whitelight1567 Longest freestyle doesn't say anything about skill level.

[@whitelight1567]

@@FaysalAlZand( Noun) Skill; the ability to do something well; expertise. Because Harry Mack is doing the samething MC Supernatural was doing, Harry Mack is paying homage to Supernatural. To me, Harry Mack must set a world record better than Nat to be skillfully better or win a freestyle battle against Nat.😎

[@alite3928]

That was fukn amazing, for an emcee and freestyler from myself thank you for this podcast amazing stuff!! Inspiring AF

[@berniedurnheim]

I just wanna say how much I love Supernat and see that it's all Harry Mack fans in the comments, damn! This interview is a true gem. A testament to the mastery of both Talib Kweli and Supernat and their friendship. I couldn't love this more.

[@TraitDOlympe]

Probably the most powerful episode I've seen this year. Thank you !

[@jman1562001]

Damn this was POWERFUL ....Happy new years y'all!!! So many jewels about culture and lessons!!! I think this a huge piece that is missing in hip-hop, the lack of movements and culture that fostered the rhymes that conscious artists came up under. And his talk about nature and African spirituality was potent!!! Much respect Kweli for this!!!

[@uproxx]

Blessings to you in 2020. Let’s get it!

[@matanahjoy]

Much respect to Talib Kweli for showcasing this true Legend and Hip Hop. Dope MC and Human. Give thanks!

[@DrSpyderKing]

Good interview with the god! Talib can you please interview MYKA 9!!!!!

[@brianhansen6189]

Honey Badger that would be fucking great!

[@kevinscott59]

Honey Badger Damn. You just said a mouthful. In fact I once read somewhere that Kweli and Mikah 9 used to share an apartment in New York.

[@DrSpyderKing]

@@kevinscott59 yeah I heard that too. There is a dope freestyle on Stretch and Bobbito featuring Tash, Myka 9, and Talib. I assumed that would be around the time they lived together.

[@kevinscott59]

Honey Badger I remember hearing that recording but I didn't know that Kweli was spittin' to.Gotta relisten. Man.Kweli has travel in some cool ass rap circles.

[@defrocker0569]

I used to see Supernatural at poetry venues in the City.

[@DiceB]

I respect and feared this MC this so much now I loved this man thank you Talib Kweli

[@intello_33]

Tell Supernatural, that his presence and wisdom is needed today in hip hop. He needs to create another OG hip hop radio show/podcast fr.

[@mvelihlatshwayo6950]

This is one of thee best podcasts👌

[@aubrielandry9705]

I learned a lot from this episode. Thank you UPROXX and Talib Kweli!

[@tpriest1914]

I remember son had a show on Kiss FM, prior to them taking hip hop out of their rotation, and he would freestyle for like 30 minutes straight. "Buddha Blessed it" is forever my joint. TrueStory.

[@Brooklynsownmusic]

Talib, all I can say is thank you. All the best in 2020 and beyond

[@4twelvecreative]

This was probably the most insightful piece i seen on Big Bros, Nat you kno i say this all the time... you a god in this hiphop... thank you for years of knowledge.... i appreciate you...

[@Rosebuddz_Revenge]

London locked in. I remember first hearing Supa nat battle jus ice( I think he was called) on CD at my bredrins yard in I think late 90s or early 2000. I can't remember exactly what Supa nat did but he did something crazy from what I remember. DOPE mc, I remember they both came hard but Supa nat took it in my opinion. Salute talib and the peoples party. I see your name and I lock in! ✊🏾 👊🏾

[@JohnDoe-nf5rt]

Shout out to Supernatural. He showed love to all elements of hip hop, EXPECIALLY the BBOYS!!!!