Talib Kweli & DMC Talk Jam Master Jay, Run's House, Comics, Recovery, TikTok | People's Party Full

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TIME STAMPS: 3:34 -- The show kicks off with a huge debt of gratitude being paid to Run-DMC for impacting every single hip hop group that came after them. Talib adds on by running through several of his career highlights that included emulation of the legends. They also discuss the group's epic performance at the Ritz in 1985, the song 'You Be Illin' being inspired by Prince and how the track almost wasn't released. 9:04 -- DMC is asked about his being inspired by Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five. He talks about his early start as a DJ under the name of Grandmaster High and not having any ambitions of becoming a rapper at the time. He goes on to name the song he heard a couple years later that made him want to pick up a mic himself and reflects on what it was like to be the second rap group inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, Gene Simmons' comments about rap in the Hall, DMC's love of classic rock as well as rock & roll not being an genre but an attitude. 20:28 -- DMC speaks on his childhood and why Darryl would have most likely never have become DMC if he wasn't given up for adoption by his birth mother. He talks about how superheroes were his role models as a kid, many of them adopted themselves and having trouble fitting into social norms. He also speaks on why being from New York made him gravitate towards Marvel over DC, Thor being the inspiration for his name of DMC (Devastating Mic Controller), and how a conversation with Rigo "Riggs" Morales led to his own DMC comic book universe. 33:20 -- DMC talks about giving Jam Master Jay his name, Run-DMC getting hated on by the Bronx crews when they hit the scene, DMC taking shots at those with his lyrics dropped on the song 'Jam Master Jay' -- "The good news is there is a crew Not five, not four, not three...". He goes on to tell the story of how Jam Master Jay's high school attire became Run-DMC's signature uniforms with their Adidas track suits, all black leather gear and fedoras changing hip hop fashion forever after. 44:22 -- DMC details how Run-DMC's song 'My Adidas' was really a clap back to Dr. Deas' poem titled 'Felon Sneakers'. He also goes on to speak on being accused of dissing the south when he rapped "You need to go down south, you need to shut your mouth" and explains what he really meant by that bar. He then illustrates how Run-DMC was being courted to join Death Row East and was supposed to be in the back seat of Suge Knight's BMW the night 2Pac was shot and killed. They also touch on the era of Levi's jeans patch snatching. 53:12 -- DMC gets into how instrumental and vital Jam Master Jay was to Run-DMC. He explains why there was no group without Jay, his versatility in being able to DJ to both the older and younger crowds as well as Jay's street status saving the group from muggings on several occasions. He also talks about people's speculating of why DMC never showed up on Rev Run's 'Run's House' reality show. DMC's also asked if Jam Master Jay's killers being charged has brought him a sense of closure. 1:02:47 -- DMC speaks on how suiting up for performances felt like he was putting on his superhero uniform, he's asked if there was any animosity towards the Beastie Boys being marketed as a white Run-DMC, they discuss the Beastie Boys arriving at Def Jam and carving out their own lane in hip hop doing it their own way. They also talk about the track 'Proud To Be Black', why Run-DMC chose to get socially conscious on that song, how it fit into their persona, pulling inspiration from Public Enemy and not knowing the power of what they were doing at the time. 1:11:53 -- DMC talks about his relationship with Rick Rubin and Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. He details how good Rick was at keeping Run-DMC in their own lane as well as what a great ear he had as a producer. DMC goes on to tell the story of wanting to re-record his verse for 'Peter Piper' and Rick's idea for how 'Walk This Way' should be rapped over the top of how the original was played as opposed to a sample. Jasmin goes on to ask DMC about his new claim to TikTok fame with their song 'It's Tricky' going viral. 1:21:04 -- DMC reflects on being blamed for the violence that erupted between rival gangs at one of their concerts in Long Beach, California. He details how the night unfolded with someone telling them beforehand "It's going down tonight". Nobody understanding what that meant at the time. Talib brings up MC Hammer and tells why he hated him growing up, why he loves him now and asks DMC how he, Run and Jay felt about him dissing them on 'Pump It Up'. DMC answers that question and details why Hammer did the diss record in the first place. 1:30:19 -- DMC breaks down how much he hated his group's 1991 release 'Back From Hell'. He talks about how he loved the New Jack Swing sound but knew it was a mistake to follow that trend, feeling like he was being forced to be someone other than himself and talks about how he suppressed his feelings of wanting to quit the group at that time with alcohol abuse. DMC then goes to speak on how the group's song 'Down With The King' reinstated their relevence with hardcore hip hop fans. 1:39:24 -- DMC gets into his suffering from Spasmodic dysphonia, which is a voice disorder causing involuntary spasms in the muscles of the voice box. He tells the timeline of his depression beginning the day after the music video shooting of 'Down With The King'. He reflects on his voice progressively getting worse after each show, receiving the diagnosis and waking up with feelings of not wanting to live anymore. He also talks about the day in 1996 when he told himself it was time to commit suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge, what he heard that drove him to a deep level of alcoholism and finally going to rehab. 1:47:19 -- DMC tells about the awakening that occured nearing the end of his rehab during a therapy session when the doctor told him he was a liar and he's been lying to himself all these years. He explains a new diagnosis he was given at that time of having suppressed emotions. DMC goes to talk about his coming to some new realizations afterwards and tells about several moments that made him feel like life was worth living including being shown love from Busta Rhymes, Stevie Wonder and Sarah McLachlan as well as meeting his birth mother.

[@Drill-kn5nh]

DMC!!!!! GIVE HIM HIS FLOWERS, DEFINITELY ONE OF THE HARDEST EVER

[@freddyb6105]

I'm getting nostalgic listening .. RunDMC was so influential in ny life. I'm 50 and I still wear My Adidas due only to them

[@uproxx]

MY Aaaaaaaa-DIDAS!

[@xXKroponXx]

Word! Most folks who weren't paying attention don't recognize that hiphop in the 80's gave us (I'm 51) a platform to build our own culture. My moms and pops had Motown, and as much as I loved it, they were right when they would say, "You don't know nothin' 'bout that, youngsta!" What I did know was how to read different bombers' graffiti fonts, how to pop and hit a backspin, how to understand the vernacular used by different mc's across the country, and mostly how to cut up break beats (I made the tapes for our crew). One of my favorite lines is KRS saying, "We'll take the wackest song, and make it better."

[@Fadedahiph0phype]

The break down of his lyrics as they refer to comics is DOPE

[@uproxx]

right? Super cool connection

[@TheRockwellRadioShow]

BEST. INTERVIEW. EVER!!!!! Had the privilege of meeting the King of Rock for the 1st time last year while he was doing a show in ATL w/ DJ Charlie Chan. Grown ass man in fan-mode! Although I THOUGHT I knew everything there was to know about Run, D and Jay, this interview answered questions I didn't even think to ask and is FULL of treasure moments from start to finish. Excellent job, Kwa and Jaz! #LongLiveHipHop

[@uproxx]

thanks so muych for this!

[@MrIncognito2020]

This is such an insightful interview. God bless DMC. We could have lost this legend but thankfully he had knowledge of self. Talib take a bow for this interview.

[@MrRich504]

Talib THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING ONE OF MY FAVORITE MC’s OF ALL TIME🐐🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@bdgamble7]

DMC doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

[@uproxx]

trying to correct that!

[@robertjohnson7614]

@@uproxx job well done

[@robertarnold9676]

Yes they do

[@bdgamble7]

@@robertarnold9676 no he does not

[@robertarnold9676]

@@bdgamble7 Define recognition? Earth, Wind, and Fire continue to get there flowers because they continue to tour.

[@lamonttoller8296]

The legend of all legends DMC

[@prof3ssor178]

Yes sir

[@uproxx]

Daryl & Joe (Krush Groove 3) is a CLASSSIC

[@axMf3qTI]

Glad to hear that D had the strength to face his inner demons and is enjoying life now.

[@uproxx]

truly

[@dextersfinest175]

Thank the Lord for RUN DMC. Here in Detroit dudes were trying to look like Prince and Rick James; wearing mascara and wearing tight-ass leather pants. My generation saw RUN DMC, and all of that bullshit was OVER!!!😂😂😂

[@ederrell6032]

Jingle boots and shit 🤣🤣

[@mikebarnes5340]

Milwaukee too peace

[@robertblackman7235]

When DMC speaks you hear the words of a genius

[@Cneph1964]

This is a hall of fame interview

[@omarjasso2765]

Very happy for the King DMC!! It was about time we give him his flowers!!

[@MrJustind886]

DMC a true pioneer in hip hop. RUN DMC is the epitome of hip hop. They made understand what hip hop was and is and when they were able to transition to Rock to do songs with Aerosmith showed how legendary and significant they are. Once again thank you Talib and Jasmine for another great interview. I swear you guys get the interviews some podcasts wish they could get. Keep it coming guys.

[@comedianfreak]

Whenever I hear Gene Simmons (bassist for KISS) say Hip Hop doesn't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame, I like to remind people that Mos Def plays more instruments than Gene Simmons. Mos Def even plays more bass on his solo albums than Gene does.

[@3rdhalff]

At the current moment, I’m starting to watch this video, and I notice that there is exactly one dislike. Before I begin, I wanna just reach out and implore that one individual to get your life together. That is all. Peace.

[@adriansmith4064]

RUN DMC Put Hip Hop On The Map Worldwide let's keep it Real R.I.P JMJ

[@3rdhalff]

Damn. ... I'm about 45% through this, and ... I'm buggin out off this - I gotta take a White Owl break. Kweli, you did a phenomenal job of getting him to open up. This is some Barbara Walters shit right here.

[@blindsuperman3597]

This was everything I thought and more I couldn’t wait for this I’m going to listen to it three more times to make sure I didn’t miss nothing

[@uproxx]

Yes! So glad it left you hyped!

[@the2ndcoming135]

Weiß schon💆🏽‍♂️

[@smokelips]

Thank you DMC. #Respect

[@Beep.Boop.Bop.]

Easily the best episode of this podcast ever. DMC is an actual hip hop superhero

[@johnwatson9826]

DMC just gave us an education on so many subjects. Much love my brother!

[@MFgabesylar3030]

Powerful voice! DMC is a legend. And his story and energy is amazing! Would love to have this man return!

[@alanktoler6514]

Yea DMC Truly a LEGEND of LEGENDs...peace to a REAL MC

[@uproxx]

that's the truth!

[@Cneph1964]

I already know this will be GOLDEN!

[@CharlesStanleyArt]

Incredible interview, Talib! DMC (and RUN DMC in general) were my childhood idols. When they came out I was still in grade school so I would often be in my bed late night (supposed to be sleeping) and I would hear my neighbors blasting their records. I was lucky that my mom would give me a few pennies to go to the local record store and buy Raising Hell and King of Rock! I can honestly say that RUN DMC molded my childhood and paved the way for what my Hip Hop tastes would be to this day.

[@tdotp1618]

Absolutely powerful and amazing interview! DMC is hip hop and a legendary lyricist!! Thank you Talib.

[@JUSLOFI]

Being a Catholic school kid from Queens who is also in the comic books, this interview hit hard!

[@wormsali]

"Stevie wonder walks in but he don't see me" 🤣

[@MrAquil13]

Love this story. Hip hop legend. Kicking knowledge.

[@uproxx]

absolutely

[@brothajamessd1670]

Run DMC and Jam Master Jay! I’m not embarrassed to say that I cried near the end of the interview. Hip Hop means so much to me, and at 56 years old, DMC brought it full circle. He took me from high school up to current. Run DMC helped shape my identity. Thank you, for that long awaited interview.

[@valerieberry3712]

Thank you great interview, I was happy to be apart of going to school with Run and D at Pascals always been good times back then I met my best friends then Dawn RIP and Lisa good and fun memories 😊💕

[@OSHEIT]

My man DMC! BEST interview Ever! 🔥🔥🔥

[@missayawk]

When " Rapper's Delight" came out in New York it was the only rap record out ( also King Tim III by Fat Back Band).WBLS was the only station to play it at ONLY 5pm on weekdays.If you missed it.You had to wait until the next day! True story.

[@ericgreen6466]

Legendary interview. Thank you

[@jerryezel4530]

This was must needed & put alot of things in perspective 💯

[@jsolethedj]

Another great interview Talib!! Salute and respect to you, Ms Jasmin Leigh and The Legendary DMC!

[@lyfestile7]

THANKS for giving the king DMC the kind of interview that he deserves

[@kevindunn1454]

Legend. Run DMC is Hip Hop period.

[@darksharxz]

The Fresh Fest was the first Concert that I ever went to. Awesome interview ✊🏿

[@MrIncognito2020]

I feel like the People’s Party should be on more platforms. TV Networks should be picking this up.

[@Kablehead]

What a great interview!

[@Man_-hf4ix]

My first real rap album was "Down With The King", they said it's was on decline of popularity, but for me its still the best rap album on my list. I love all tracks, but first one, and "Ohh, Watcha Gonna Do" especially (sorry for my english)

[@samuelsandrew3509]

Historical Interview, much respect and power to the people's party

[@jaycoop5841]

Sucka Mcs is one the best songs of all time

[@soysauceboss75]

I love every bit of this interview ❤

[@TheCurls1]

dmc had the voice man...DOWN WITH THE KINGGGGGG!!!!!

[@omarjasso2765]

Now that I listen back I can really hear the comic books influence in DMC’s rhymes

[@missayawk]

Run was the hyper one, but DMC had that cool swag, solid lyrics, voice and presence.Still in great shape at almost 57 years old.Im a year older, but I look up to DMC.

[@russelljenkins2140]

DMC is the reason why I listen to hip hop, when I heard King Of Rock it changed my life, his voice. And the music was in your face. With a serious

[@solesust]

Dope… my fist record was the message but, I got the shell toes because of this man, word!

[@aziarewilliams9774]

Brilliant! Very inspirational! Worth listening to. 🎶

[@DrugBa642]

Greetings from Bosnia, we love you guys!!!

[@ElMagoSilva23]

This is the only podcast I listen to. Some great guests Talib got on 👍

[@kevinbrokenborough7342]

DMC is right on... You are really good.....

[@uncvic1]

Amazing, there was more I got from this campfire than expected. Thank you, DMC. Great talk, everybody...

[@brothajamessd1670]

I’ve been waiting for this one!

[@uproxx]

US TOO! Had to time it right!

[@EscapeCondition]

RUN DMC and Whodini were the original street prophets for a lot of us from back in the era when at first it seemed like The Fat Boys and some other acts were gonna dominate. They made me look at hip hop different.

[@swayb9448]

This is one of the dopest interviews EVER!!

[@didiermongo-gouala3770]

HOLLIS QUEENS HAS BROUGHT SOME DIFFERENT HIP HOP DUDE THAT HAVE CREATED A LOT OF STYLE RUN DMC LL COOL J JA RULE IRV GOTTI... NO ONE CANT LIE ON IT

[@malachiconyers9241]

Inspiring interview. Kweli, you are by far the best to do it. Salute 💪

[@kevinbrokenborough7342]

You taking ova...... Keep it coming GOD........

[@williambiggs6974]

Great interview! One of the best on any platform. The hosts asked poignant questions and allowed DMC to answer without interrupting.

[@MrIncognito2020]

Talib said F Gene Simmons and I heartily support this statement

[@chiz420420]

Shout out to the Beastie Boys

[@toddcastaldi6536]

Amazing interview. Absolutely important content too from D as we all struggle with something. I always give RUN-DMC full credit for my absolute love of Hip-Hop music and culture. Thank you Talib, Jasmine, and the devastating Mic Controller, DMC!

[@bettt3rway]

Shout out to the first rapper I wanted to be like. THE DEVASTATING MIC CONTROLLER-SUPER HERO. You DROPPED SO MANY EASTER EGGS! I’m glad you’re off the kryptonite my brother! Peace and power to you and yours DARYLL.

[@Miss-Ann-Thrope]

DMC's explanation of losing his voice and regaining it again is heart warming. Although I have never been a comic book fan, I will go to Comic-Con the next time it's in town. I hope DMC is there.

[@davejohnsonart1]

this is the most compelling interview Kweli has ever done. I'm GLUED to my TV. Wow.

[@andersekman8378]

Good to hear D got his voice back.

[@GhettoGeekz]

LEGEND!

[@jaydubbxperiod]

Wow. I think I'm finally used to DMC without the glasses. It only took 10-20 years. Smh

[@missayawk]

But he made it cool for cats who wore glasses like me, that you could still be cool and wear glasses.

[@BrotherReg]

Man, this took me all the way back to '83. Such a great interview!

[@uproxx]

So glad people loved it!

[@prof3ssor178]

RUN DMC ARE BEYOND ICONIC.

[@michaels.8244]

Dope dope dope interview. This pod cast is amazing. True hip hop history being explored and discussed.

[@gworrall1]

Only just got done watching this. There have been some incredible interviews on this podcast...but this was the best by far. Huge respect to everyone involved.

[@matthewtimby21]

The world's best podcast, living up to its name yet again. Fantastic stuff Talib. Thank you. Cheers from the UK 🇬🇧

[@overstandinggod3410]

I don't know what to say... I watch all DMC interviews. And he is my metaphysical brother without even having to meet. Peace!

[@OGGOAT23]

It's like that and that's way it is

[@Timothy2706]

I'm super proud to say that I was lucky enough to see them live in 1993 (with Onyx opening) when I was 16 years old.

[@johnclark6577]

I REALLY enjoyed this interview. The best episode to date, and that’s saying something because they’ve all been great! DMC is my guy!

[@sallyh5413]

This is absolutely incredible, thank you!!

[@martellosousa]

lets go !! awesome talk . Salute

[@tahde2060]

This man is a class act. His passion on the mic and just being him is next level. I'm proud to call him a legend. Thank you sir for EVERYTHING you've done for REAL hiphop.

[@LBoogie-fn5kp]

Don't remember the year but met and talked to him at Heros Ain't Hard to Find...Comic book convention at Charlotte NC....talked to him like an hour and but one of his books and got it signed

[@marvinhagler4721]

RIP JAM MASTER JAY....RUN DMC..!!!!!! LEGENDS

[@jeremiahwoods1845]

You finally came off with Mos 👑Yasin Bey on SNL and that Jawn with West side Grezelda!

[@christopherharper9818]

I'm still not through the whole thing, but I had to just say this. I would have never guessed that "Pause" would get that much airtime in the interview. My sister was in that video and I was so proud of her. She go mad camera time and it's always been one of my favorites even though it was the only song I liked at that time.

[@lnb1970]

So much to unpack. I remember Run DMC doing a press conference because of the gang problems they were having at their LA concerts. I remember turning to my older brother and asking, they still have gangs? It almost seemed foreign to me. For the record, short of touring with a band, there wasn't a better rap concert than JMJ and Run DMC. Nothing was prerecorded. Jay did everything live. I was lucky enough to see them in the 90s.

[@drdread9896]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@missayawk]

" It's Christmas time in Hollis Queens moms cooking chicken and collard greens....."

[@chris.e.r]

Thing about Talib is... he's gonna give you a great interview..

[@Penguin619]

Fucking loved this interview; I love how nerdy DMC is, just proves that we're all just a bunch of geeks. 🤓

[@oba1560]

Best Podcast out next to Joe Rogan 💯 Nore take notes on how it's done, so much content without taking Ciroc or Ace shot interruptions.

[@alaricneely2948]

Drink chumps sucks!

[@alaricneely2948]

And that *igga be actin like it's a privilege to drink Ace talkin bout hov approved!

[@robsoultrain1061]

💪🏾💪🏾🔥💯DMC is a Legend

[@Nwabe75]

One of the best interviews I ever watched. Thanks for this !

[@terrygass]

I really appreciate DMC. Giving a real inspirational spiritual story 👊🏾🎤🎛🎧

[@iiicuuubreathingfullyoohoohooh]

00:19:38 Was the interview titled: "Ginger Baker.Beware of Mr Baker Q A with Ginger Baker."? Thank you for this whole episode.

[@conornutt]

Amazing interview,what an incredible guy,both for his body of work and just speaks so much truth.Respect.Talib and Jazz killing it on the interview skills as standard.This show is such a gift,thank you everyone involved. Got me thinking about influences I wonder if Last Poets and Dolomite could be called early rap?

[@kendallclark4892]

Always like DMC better