An Inside Look At Game of Thrones' Disastrous Unaired Episode!

Welcome back for another Game of Thrones video. Today I will be talking about something that has fascinated me for quite some time. In this video, we will take an inside look at Game of Thrones' disastrous unaired episodes. Some of you might not know this, but Game of Thrones was nearly cancelled before it ever aired it's first episode. David Benioff and D.B. Weiss ran into major issues while making the Pilot Episode for Game of Thrones. They had to do rewrites, reshoots, recast characters, and so much more! It was a disaster. HBO did end up giving them another chance. Thankfully, they got it right the second time. Let's look at some of the mistakes they made. Leave me your thoughts down below. Thanks for watching!!
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[@jonathangomez8539]

Nearly a decade ago... Man that hit hard.

[@Blessed2bFresh]

Shh Don't wanna hear it twice lol

[@soumyamohanp7197]

Me too.. I just started it in this 2020 August 19 & completed on 2020 September 6th☺️

[@bernhardtsen74]

@@soumyamohanp7197 even the 1st episode shows their bad preparations!the dialogue by Queen Cersei and King Robert was added, because they probably trimmed the first chapters too much!

[@TalkingThrones]

Welcome!

[@soumyamohanp7197]

@@bernhardtsen74 I didn't read the novels, so what's it shown the series is all I knew. Whatever it is they disappointed in climax that was heartbreaking 🥴😓

[@WERTYUIO821]

GRRM: "I have important plans for Rickon in the future" Rickon plans in the future: "Cant zigzag"

[@lsdeann_3293]

GRRM didn't write that, though. Rickon is on Skagos right now.

[@solidus0079]

We have no idea what GRR's plan for Rickon will be in Winds of Winter if that book is ever done, lol

[@chrisrivera7814]

Dead

[@rafaeloperezjr]

😂😂😂

[@chrisrivera7814]

Onggggg

[@sam4secretary]

it still doesn't make sense why they had to wrap the show up quickly... it was the king of television and could been king of merchandising!

[@TalkingThrones]

They wanted to "move on" to other things...

[@NestorCaster]

@@TalkingThrones correction.... HBO wanted to “move on” to other things, and incentivized GOT Showrunners and writers to do just that... move on, without leaving anything to go back to except for a potential prequel...

[@Ripthejack3r]

@@NestorCaster i heard that HBO gave them a blank check and said as many seasons as u want, george martin wanted more than 10

[@kaihiggins725]

@@Ripthejack3r he wanted 13

[@Grivehn]

They wanted to move on to Star Wars. Possibly a Knights of the Old Republic trilogy with Brie Larson as Darth Revan. Im sort of grateful that never happens now. Would have been the absolute nightmare of fandoms.

[@ryanjames1135]

Fire can’t kill a dragon, but a bad script can

[@samishaniyy]

and Plot shield can save a dragon

[@ilkkarautio2449]

We all love dragons and hate bad scripts, so its pretty obvious what we must do. 😮

[@JonPITBZN]

Gods, the writing was strong then!

[@Orignal_Français]

She just kind of forgot Euron.

[@alok26k68]

Paper beats rock

[@andretabarnac3187]

They won't air this disaster but they aired the entire disaster that was season 8

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

Season 8 was good but rushed.

[@christopherjordan2890]

Right

[@adamrandolph4003]

@@flightofthebumblebee9529 it was not good lol

[@jlopez47]

You mean seasons "5 through 8". Season 8 is only when the normies caught on.

[@adamrandolph4003]

@@jlopez47 season 5 was good and season 6 had good moments. 7 was pretty flat and 8 was an all around disaster. It was still redeemable until 8 so that’s the one that people despise the most

[@emusaurus]

I don’t know why they didn’t just hire people to replace D&D when they didn’t want to continue.

[@mxflint1715]

@@elemntsportztv3761 David Benioff and D.B Weiss, the writers of GoT

[@13Wolfie13]

I think they really wanted to, but D&D refused to hand it off to another person or team. They also tried to get them to make 2 or 3 more seasons of it as well, but D&D had Star Wars boners and refused that as well.

[@Edithae]

@@13Wolfie13 Then they should have been fired. They don't own the show, they didn't have the right to refuse to hand over to new Showrunners.

[@13Wolfie13]

@@Edithae I agree.

[@eurosonly]

Contract?

[@JDale56]

I thought they aired this disastrous episode - didn't they just rename it "Season 8?"

[@TalkingThrones]

Lol touche'

[@made-line7627]

👏🏻

[@wiseguy3675]

Season 8? What season 8? There was no season 8! That's crazy talk!

[@godspeed2272]

That would be great I can imagine Dan and Dave being like "Yeah they gave us 100 million dollars to make this crazy huge pilot and we fucked it, honestly we thought we were out but they gave us another chance"

[@lakerametwaroo6583]

DE STROYED

[@ellasworld8734]

That disastrous pilot episode foreshadowed the disastrous ending.

[@TalkingThrones]

My thoughts exactly

[@made-line7627]

And the greater portion of the show - when it was good - was there to subvert our expectations.

[@ellasworld8734]

Madeline Sartori 🤣🤣🤣

[@mickmickymick6927]

It was foreshadowed better than Daenerys's heel turn

[@JamboLinnman]

Your lips are moving and you're complaining about something. That's whinging.

[@aadil.harbhajun]

So it started as a shambles and ended as a shambles...full circle...

[@TalkingThrones]

The circle of life

[@andypants1000]

It's like poetry, in that they rhyme.

[@MickMcGarnackle]

More like a wheel.

[@kellydclear]

Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel.

[@Cesly-mo3uf]

Ka is a wheel

[@kpax2066]

D and D failed miserably at the end. Epic failure.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

k pax and at the start with that pilot. The warnings signs where always there

[@kpax2066]

@@oliviawilliams6204 You are absolutely right. I'm still angry about all the time I wasted with that show.

[@Shiggystardust]

More like since season 5 onwards.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Shiggystardust season 5 made them very apparent. But they where there from the start. The awful pilot. Cersei 4th child in episode 2...

[@Shiggystardust]

Olivia Williams atrocious

[@pipitameruje]

They kept Rickon, and then got rid of him anyway, in an incredibly pointless way! The kid was supposed to be hiding in Skagos, earning the respect of the wildlings there, with his great big direwolf! I can't believe how mad I can still get at D&D's butchering of Martin's work.

[@constantine9142]

Yup eoron makes me so annoyed as well if you watch the Lucifer means light channel on KZbin right now like omg

[@whatdisd]

Is that where he is?? Where is that mentioned?

[@pipitameruje]

@@whatdisd in the books. There are rumours of a little boy with a direwolf in Skagos, and Stannis actually ships off Davos, his Hand, on a mission to find the boy, highly suspected to be Rickon, as he would be the rightful heir to Winterfell

[@whatdisd]

@@pipitameruje that's before Davos gets captured by Manderly is it?? Its been a while since I read that

[@pipitameruje]

@@whatdisd yes, he gets captured on his way to Skagos

[@HuntingViolets]

Really, even if Cersei and Jaime weren't siblings, Robert would have had them killed for their affair if he found out.

[@halosandhorns8]

The fact that he didn't put two and two together is kinda sad but im sure it was just chalked up to a twin thing

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

I still can’t believe how horribly they ended, what was until season 6, the greatest entertainment vehicle of all time. I would rewatch all previous episodes leading up to each new season. I wouldn’t be bored because the world GRRM created was so vivid, the story was so complex and layered, and the characters so interesting, that there was always something new to experience. The fact that the last two seasons were so badly butchered made me lose all interest in rewatching the show since all of the important plot devices became meaningless. They had the ball reed up for a fantastic conclusion to a wonderful story and they completely whiffed. I’m beyond disappointed

[@izzem]

I don't know. I think it was great up to season 5. After that they started listening to fans and it went downhill from there

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

izzem season 6 was weak but it wasn’t so weak as to discredit the previous 4.5-5 seasons. 1-4 were fantastic, 5 was good 6,7 and 8 got progressively worse as they went along.

[@zacturf-n-sports6203]

Season 6 wasn’t that bad honestly.

[@zacturf-n-sports6203]

Why does everybody hate 6?

[@NeverGiveUpExisting]

Indeed. At least we have the books...maybe someday we shall have all of them...who knows

[@craigfin3222]

Without Martin and others, D&D just did not know what to do. Honestly, we know about Martin, but there are probably some unsung heroes from Seasons 1 - 4.

[@TalkingThrones]

Watch the Game of Thrones documentary. Literally everyone else working on the show was an unsung hero.

[@dianasmith8248]

It would have helped had George actually finished writing the books. I understand not wanting to push George to have him hurry up. However he should have finished the books before the series ended.

[@bettygreenhansen]

I didn’t read the books so no idea if GRMM’s finale would have been more cohesive but still massively disappointed with what D&D did to ruin our beloved characters and storylines. “Subverting expectations” is what I’d heard. More like they “perverted expectations”.

[@julianowilliams3263]

@@TalkingThrones which documentary are you referring to exactly? I wanna watch it :D

[@kkandsims4612]

He kinda left largely due to the fact they where not doing lady stone heart George himself admited he crushed on michelle and I can see why I can also see why she probably would have added more to the story by killing catelyn for good they lost on a lot of storyline plot

[@googleuser244]

VISERYIS would had looked like a karen

[@TalkingThrones]

🤣🤣🤣 fizzzacks

[@TheTam0613]

I just snorted my chocolate milk!

[@LadySophiaVelaryon]

@@TheTam0613 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oliviawilliams6204]

.... that’s actually my hair cut.... then again I’m not a guy

[@TheTam0613]

@@oliviawilliams6204 I think the only thing people are laughing at is the whole "bad wigs" issue for the Targaryen men we saw on GOT. Viserys looked ok, but the flashback to Rhaegar & Lyanna (when Bran used his greensight to go watch their wedding, after Sam informed him that Rhaegar & Elia had their marriage annulled). I'm sure you look great in your bob. I've cut my hair into a similar style a few times and loved it. I really hope you know that no one was making fun of the hairstyle in general, but more due to the bad wigs for the Targs.

[@Invictus_Praetorian]

"They could've kept going...", what a punch in the gut!

[@joj2607]

You can see from the start, they wanted to tell their own version of George's story. Shame🛎...shame🛎...shame🛎...

[@ichmeiner4531]

Ok, where can I get in line with some rotten fruit in hand?

[@DerVorsitzender]

They had a hurdling beast to handle and no creative skills of there own. They even delayed it a year and did the best they could. I have every confidence DnD tried to be great.

[@joj2607]

@@DerVorsitzender they did, but not in the way of honoring GRRM's work. They thought THEIR ideas were gonna make it great. If you adapt someone's work, you don't try to create something new from it. Disrespectful.

[@joj2607]

@@DerVorsitzender but i respect your opinion, i was not trying to take away from what you felt. I'm glad you enjoyed the story they told 💚

[@ichmeiner4531]

@@DerVorsitzender they had outstanding source material from Martin, but rushed to finish up, so they could move on. Not saying that GoT is a bad TV series, quite the contrary, but conpared to its own quality in the early seasons, especially season 8 just blows. Still better than most other junk on TV. In my opinion, D&D pushed and pulled on that hurdling beast to conform it to their own ideas and in that process nearly killed it.

[@vtaylor110]

I really miss this show, my Sunday nights hasn’t been the same

[@TalkingThrones]

Mine either

[@Jose-ht2lw]

I think they should just release it, the show is over, not like they can change the 1rst episode, might as well give us everything.

[@Daiska_Plays]

I agree, it'd be sort of like a blooper reel. It's not anything to be ashamed of, it'd just show how far they progressed after.

[@him050]

The funny thing is they won’t release it for fear of their reputation being ruined. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@AW-xc1xc]

@@him050 Pfffft how oblivious could they be. Their reputation is completely destroyed.

[@blackeyedlily]

Hmmm, interesting. I am with you. I always enjoy further information about the pilot that seemed so controversial. I really wish they had kept the Dany and Drogo scene more authentic. And those comments at the end are fascinating.

[@TheTam0613]

Seriously! But D&D steel really into making consensual sex scenes into rape scenes.

[@katherineskrzynecki3347]

​@@TheTam0613yeah

[@AnndenMark]

From what I gathered from this is, not only do I hope to see this awesome first pilot. But that Ol Martin has important plans for Rickon. He’s not just a useless character with a meme ending like what they did in the show.

[@TheTam0613]

I don't know why HBO doesn't try to make another buck off GOT. I would love to see this unaired pilot!!!

[@KirilovaTS]

They could absolutely release it as a special for an additional fee (like disney did with Mulan) and people would be tripping over themselves to get to it

[@zwbruno90]

He’s hopefully on an island of barbarian green men, learning how to become a savage warrior and warg, and will help kill many wights

[@jannyplf]

What makes people think George Martin has any plans at all? He has totally abandoned the series and left it unfinished....which is a real crime to me!

[@ClavisRa]

Just like the best parts of the Lord of the Rings--the most loved and remembered parts--are not the cgi, the action sequences, the fights, but instead are the parts taken the most directly from the literature of J.R.R. Tolkien, his language even; the best parts of GoT are when it brings the characters to life, understands and represents the storytelling dynamics of the novels. If Benioff and Weiss had understood they were the wrong people to tell this story, and then when they wanted to move on to other projects, the wrong people to produce it, just imagine the heights this series could have attained.

[@waifusandkaijus9574]

Tolkien?? Lol

[@20TonChop]

At first, they were so dedicated and nervous. They spent the extra time to make the show good because their reputations were on the line. After the 5th season, they got so full of themselves and probably were being offered a lot more opportunities outside of the show leading them to drink their own Koolaid. They thought it was just going to be good no matter what amount of effort they put in and started to slack. They completely fucked themselves and their rep because they were surrounded by "yes men" at that point. It is amazing how much effort they went to to make the show great in the beginning and how little effort they put in at the end inevitably ruing the show and all their credibility. They really probably thought it was them alone that made the show what it was when in reality it was the passion of the cast and crew.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

Now they have reps as people who wreck great shows and fail to deliver.

[@mmblue3986]

Very well stated. That Koolaid has blinded many men.

[@TheEvertw]

At some point, they were also "convinced" to join the PC crowd, whereas the start was un-apologetically NON-pc. That changed the show as well, and all their other work.

[@astronemir]

@@TheEvertw the PC evolution was so “problematic” because the show had no beauty or sex to balance the violence. If sex was there, it was always insinuated to be rape and portrayed negatively. That was just one of the changes. Made the show just pure violence and quite anachronistic

[@markheinle6319]

no they were never meant to write the ending. grrm was going to stay ahead of the show and he didnt. the actors were ready to move on. for some it was most of their lives to that point. others were adults living somewhere they didnt want to be to make the show. it was never going to go forever. seinfeld 9 seasons. friends 10 seasons. thats how it goes. the shows that make it longer are family guy where the staff largely changes and you only bring people in for voiceovers. no one has to be on location filming for 6 months. whys this hard to accept

[@robbaholic]

It actually bothered me a lot that they omitted the scene where Dany jumps the horse over the fire, because it was a bonding moment for Dany and Drogo that helped her feel a little safer. Dany goes into the marriage wanting to please Drogo, and they fall in love much quicker. The TV series made it much more "rapey" for lack of a better term, and I thought it was unfortunate. Yes, Khal Drogo was a beast of a warrior that took what he wanted, but he grew fond of Dany fairly quickly in the books, and I didn't like how they stretched out the awkwardness between them in the show. For instance, their first night together. In the books, they ride away together just the two of them and spend the night in a tent. Dany is a virgin, so it is noticeably tense, but somewhat passionate. In the show, Khal Drogo takes Dany down like some brood mare, and it just felt very disrespectful to their story.

[@fleabagi2457]

Disrespectful is putting it lightly, D and D had her fall in love with her rapist, that's sick.

[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

I swear every romantic relationship in the show felt extremely forced to me. Even Jon and Ygritte who have the most chemistry, still felt a little forced.

[@stogieguy7201]

I could not agree with you more!

[@mariadaniella07]

I'm still mad they cut the scene of Drogo repeatedly saying "No." and refusing to touch her, until she says "Yes." at the end of the chapter. It's cute, establishes his respect for her, and doesn't make it seem like she falls in love with her rapist.

[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

@@mariadaniella07 Their love story in the show is crap. There are zero reasons to believe that she would fall so in love with him

[@beththingineverhad]

Tom McCarthy be like "I forgot horses had self-preservation instincts" also I can't get over the mental image of Viserys in a Sia wig

[@drogna3905]

Think we'd all love to see that first pilot episode. Fingers crossed it gets out eventually.

[@krautgazer]

One of the biggest surprises for me was the fact that Tom McCarthy, the Academy Award-winning director of Spotlight, directed this unaired pilot. I guess it makes sense, since he also directed The Station Agent, the 2003 film starring Peter Dinklage.

[@davequaschnick2559]

I can NEVER forgive them how they did Danni. I wash my hands of them

[@praneetha1420]

@Allan Ros > teenager uses the power she has to destroy the slave trade and put an end to other immoral practices >"messiah complex" I can respect your opinion, but idk man there's a lot of things that Daenerys is, and being batshit insane isn't one of them. Unstable? Sure. Tumultuous? Yes. But a fascist nazi who commits genocide against thousands of innocent civilians despite her explicitly standing against that in all the previous seasons? Nope!

[@nailjaumbatova4947]

If you read the books, the fate of Danni is evident from book one. Remember Cercei telling Tyrion that Gods flip a coin with Targaryen children? The Mad King was also a good ruler before he went mad after being captured and tortured. Even Bran´s vision of the future, I don´t remember which season it was (maybe 1 or 2), showed a dragon burning King´s Landing. This is how the books will end as well. And Bran being the King was also planned from book 1, there are a lot of hints. However, what I trust Martin to do is to tell the story right so that it will make sense.

[@nailjaumbatova4947]

@Allan Ros I agree for the most part, except her fate was established by Martin from the first book. There were obvious signs. So it´s not really the showrunner's fault and I think the ending makes sense. It should have been stretched out over several episodes, maybe a season and then it would have made sense. But I have no doubt that this is the ending of the books as well, but it will be well executed.

[@ownthevoid]

@Allan Ros exactly, they foreshadowed her going “mad” for a long time. That’s the one thing I didn’t have a problem with in the finale.

[@VincentPhil]

@@praneetha1420 That is what a fanatic nazi looks like at first. The image we have of dictators being all crazy and dictator like is born of us looking at history backwards. They become that, they don't start out like that. Power drives you insane.

[@juliarosemedves]

The fact that they wrote in a rape scene when that wasn't even in the book... that was our first red flag. We should have seen it coming :(

[@gilgamesh3328]

Personally, I do feel that scene actually makes sense. It takes Daenerys from a point of being someone who is simply traded as a commodity, to being someone who is later loved and respected as a wife.

[@juliarosemedves]

@@gilgamesh3328 George R.R. Martin was perfectly capable of getting that message across without Daenerys being brutally raped. Anyone who read the books knows that. If it takes cheap theatrics and a character being sexually abused to get a story arch going, especially when the story was fine without it, then the writers aren't very good, are they? That's just "my opinion" though... SMH

[@raevis9]

@@juliarosemedves I get your point, but I actually think it makes a lot more sense in the series. Even though I completely agree on the story arch point and I hate how rape is "normalized" on TV. But she DOES get raped in the books as well - for many nights after the wedding night (don't have the books here, but there is a scene where she is glad he "takes her from behind" so she can muffle her cries in her pillow). And I just don't see why the wedding night should be different. Would Drogo have stopped if she didnt say yes? Dont think so, especially since he doesnt seem to care afterwards. Did she want to marry him in the first place? Nope, forced to (so even if she consents to the wedding night, because she kinda has to, she didnt consent to the wedding). So one way or another, she was raped by Drogo. And I think that this is the only point were GRRM failed to create a realistic scenario or understand a girl in that situation (with all due respect, but it reads itself just like an old man fantasizing, because he does not know how it is), thats at least what it is to me.

[@juliarosemedves]

@@raevis9 You raise a good point about GRRM and his exaggerated fantasies removing the reality from the moment in question. But it is different in the books, because it shows us Daenerys finally taking charge and proving she's no longer the afraid little girl she starts out as. She is becoming the confident and powerful dragon queen we come to love. But in the show, they portray this in a completely different way that I felt didn't align with her character's storyline and felt insensitive to any rape survivors watching the show. I feel the same way about Sansa's rape scene. Sansa was raped in the show because D&D wanted the drama of that. In the books, the plot Sansa suffered in season 5 happens to her friend, Jeyne Poole, who was basically cut from the show. Rather than reintroduce Jeyne, D&D shoved her trauma onto Sansa without considering its greater ramifications. All that being said, I am also extremely bias and hate D&D for ruining the series for me so that is mainly why I say all this (lol!)

[@midnightblackroses]

And the fact they didn't seem to notice they wrote a rape scene with Cersei and Jaime. It had to be pointed out to them. It ruined an interesting complex character

[@indominusszn1650]

Honestly I wish HBO makes an animated version of S8 kind of like how Star Wars did with Clone Wars between episode 2 and 3, it’ll give us some sort of closure

[@seann8464]

HBO should've fired them.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Sean N they’re could not. Martin deal was with D&D not HBO, it was a package deal

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

Olivia Williams Aren’t there always loopholes?

[@oliviawilliams6204]

OcarinaSapph1r3 -24 i guess you mean plot holes. Well yeah but it’s more than that. Cersei 4th child could be counted as that but that also invalidated all her motivation trough the prophecy because it was proven untrue when Tommen was born. Then the change in late season 4 onwards sent Tyrion in a completely different arc than in the books. Having Young Griff cut made Varys plans stop making sense. And for a show that marketed it self on it’s political play by season 5 the political plots stopped making sense with characters taking action without motivation or without consequences. Remember when Cersei blew up Grand Sept of Balor and no one cared?

[@brendabalzan1994]

@@OcarinaSapphr- loopholes are not easy to find. Gotta read the contract a few times, and find the specific data you need, then apply it. However once the loophole is identified, it is subject to modification for the next one so abusing loopholes is not a good idea either as the loophole window keeps narrowing down if not shut completely.

[@3baxcb]

@@brendabalzan1994 Ultimately it would be more trouble than it's worth. Just because there may be a loophole it doesn't mean you should use it. Especially if it ends up backfiring.

[@aniket33591]

Dire wolves were gone, no one else in winterfell had any back then, finding them were like finding living fossils so he was right about that one.

[@adriennehubbard9837]

Why didn't the movie(s), follow the books? Both entertained my feeble mind... Lets hear it for humor...exactly

[@aniket33591]

@@adriennehubbard9837 May be they also forgot there were books.

[@MartyFaeScotland]

been missing your intro for a long time now :) "The Realm....... Do you know what the realm is.... "

[@derek2297]

So what you're saying is the original first episode was like the entire 8th season?

[@inesvandevelde1801]

D&D, being lifted up by others since 2010

[@AVH8TOR]

Not gonna lie I’ve rewatched every episode more times than I can count. I just let it play and it takes me away from the insane world we live in today. But the one thing I always do is skip Season 8. I just can’t bring myself to the BS to what they called a season. Still mad about it.

[@AVH8TOR]

@Paul Gauthier lol

[@sherryjohnson3804]

I've rewatched more times then probably should too, even knowing the ending:-( I loved the books and the world George created

[@AVH8TOR]

@@sherryjohnson3804 Absolutely. The books are amazing!

[@kuli9020]

The north remembers 🐺

[@basketballshots11]

Is anyone else wondering what George's important plans for Rickon are considering he hasn't really done anything in the five ASOIF books.... future King in the North?!?!?!

[@Oddbisket]

And he ends up a horrible king because of the trauma he has endured since he was three. He was able to see the future so maybe he has special powers by then

[@Oddbisket]

Maybe he was worging into bran the whole time

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Seems like he will be used as a rallying symbol for the North resistance to the Bolton. With Davos going to get him for Lord Manderly. Doubt he will end up ruling anything he’s still 6 in the books, maybe Sensa with Vale and Riverland supports will act as regent

[@Oddbisket]

@@oliviawilliams6204 nah I watched a few interviews/ nerd fests and there has got to be more to him than that from what I have seen. I still have another two books to read though

[@morangoatomic997]

Rebecca Luxford - He could see the future too? I haven’t noticed it from the book.

[@RiNNYPINO96]

This is the first time since the season's finale that I'm watching got related content

[@ciaranbrk]

Me too if only the last season wasn’t aired and had competent writers.

[@Paulvanderbol]

Same

[@manny6669]

Me too 😭

[@Blessed2bFresh]

I can't leave it alone lol

[@dudeofchicken]

haha so relatable

[@tamz0309]

They could make a CGI dire wolf but couldn’t make a CGI campfire? Why try to make a horse Jump a real fire.

[@themoike_prod]

lol the horse didn't even jump that's why

[@scootsmcdoots80]

Imagine if Vince Gilligan took the helm on this show instead of D&D? Don’t get me wrong 80% of the show was great but it could have been truly world class.

[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

Actually only 50% of the show was great. But if Vince was the writer it would’ve been 100%, just like his two shows BB and BCS

[@apapods]

It started going downhill by Season 6. Season 7 is still manageable but you can see the deterioration of the story. Season 8 was just plain disaster.

[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

@@apapods Actually no, it started going downhill after season 4. Season 5 is ok, season 6 has very bad writing, tons of filler, horrible and recycled dialogue, and the only good thing about it was the fight scenes in BOTB

[@laurarooney6030]

20% was good/great. Probably because GRRM was involved with the writing and they had his books to base their scripts. Since season4/5 it was a downhill slope.

[@Maw0]

My Dad and I have seen both Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, and Game of Thrones, and we have asked this question repeatedly.

[@poppers7317]

10:33 "How did you like the 8th season"? "It's,... good." *champagne glas shatters in the background*

[@silverblade357]

"Strip them down! Grab the bells!"

[@emily9648]

It still makes me angry it ended the way it did; especially with new a appreciation that it took far more than I thought to get it off the ground in the first place. What a waste. What a shame.

[@abztract1]

There is enough material in ESSOS for 25 more seasons!

[@kasipromod7382]

What does ESSOS stand for?

[@rivokikkul1789]

@@kasipromod7382 E - Dan &, S - David, S - Are, O - Bad, S - Writers

[@krimzenlp]

It’s hard to believe it aired almost 10 years ago. Time flies. Are you still going to do the book chapter series?

[@TalkingThrones]

Yes, ma'am. I need to get back to them.

[@prasannabalaji1886]

And its hard to think the way it ended 💔🤦‍♂️

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

@@prasannabalaji1886 so true, I loved how the series started but I hated how it went out. Once Dan and Dave quit fully adapting from the books the writing went drastically downhill.

[@danfrank6666]

Talking Thrones plz !!!

[@blackfish16]

Oh my god. The start was soo nostalgic.

[@susancorso7873]

Watching the series, I am glad , I'm not the only one to be upset that the Book version ,wasn't used for Dani & Drogo's wedding night. I have often wondered if the tv writers had even read the book series?

[@fredspofford]

Why wonder when you can just look it up and see that they had?

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

_"...there's a seduction scene by the stream. Jason Momoa and Tamzin are naked and "having sex". And suddenly the video guy starts to laugh. The silver filly was not a filly at all, it was a colt. And it was getting visibly excited by watching the two humans"_ - TT missed that one...

[@christopherbostick7777]

I just do t understand why D&D would ever be allowed to work on a show with tons of magic and fantasy elements if they themselves didn’t like fantasy elements🤯

[@Kissmanay_28]

up until now Im still wishing that the final season is just a dream of Jon when he died.... and he eventually wakes up from that nightmare.

[@lisastiles1408]

Jimboo Canlas I’m good with that. Yeah, I’d have to be in “suspension of disbelief mode” to make the jump, but that hurdle would be nothing compared to things like armies crisscrossing a continent on foot at a pace that beats the land speed records of today’s fastest cars and trains, right? 😉 In fact, a series that starts from Jon waking up from the dream and back to real life, with some thought and good writing and production, means the need for teleporting armies, individual jet-packs, and supersonic dragons might be eliminated entirely, yes? Oh happy day that would be! 😉🤪😗

[@jg14gerhard_bar]

make it a dream bran has and for the final cut it's flashes of bran hidden in all scenes😳

[@giannimanzano9266]

That last part with George reinforces why I believe he has the last books done and he held them back ... DAN AND DAVE.

[@xancypillosi9497]

Well DD strayed so far off the res

[@ghostrender-]

I think the old pilot episode was a monty python knights theme, comedy gags, one liners, gallantry shakespeare with a "Carry On" influence. Maybe it was more light hearted with Sean bean playing a more king arthur role or knights of the round table. It was likely amazing on paper/but on film in didn't wash well.

[@Egilhelmson]

As an American, like GRRM and HBO and D&D, WTF is a “Carry On” influence, and didn’t Supernatural have it first?

[@chasedribben6833]

I use to LOVE watching your videos I've literally seen every single one and you made me think the ending was gonna be so amazing and they butchered it so bad I still haven't seen the last episode. You're awesome you and a couple other channels kept me so entertained for almost two years you're awesome glad to see something again

[@liberiangirlamericanworld6526]

"I had BIG PLANS for Rickon" 😂😂😂 GRRM can go to hell.

[@hellyeah3060]

I would like to see a by the book animated version.

[@MaegnasMw]

"Nobody knew what they were doing", pretty much sums up everything after season 4!

[@sayrewilkin-dalby619]

GRRM is my hero. I hope he knows all the genuine fans are by his side knowing that DB and DW did him dirty with the final seasons. We trust his brilliance and won't settle for fast food being sold to us as his gourmet recipes. However long it takes, I can't wait for the final books to come out and fill in the blanks of the story that should've been.

[@leegarner4592]

I don't think he knows how to finish them. I doubt he will ever write them, tbh. Such a convoluted story ended up as a quagmire.

[@pamelaleigh4225]

He will write them and we will wait and they will be great. He's honorable.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

In one of his interviews he says he was known for writing 'end-less' stories when he was younger ie stories which he'd start but never finish. I just hope he finishes this one story. And lives a very long life to be able to do it.

[@CJR-89]

They should have handed the torch over to someone else to take it to 10+ seasons. As soon as D+D lined up other projects, HBO should have looked at replacements and been firm. I’m sure George would have appreciated that too. 1% of me still hopes they’ll get the cast back together and remake 7/8 and more. I wish the actors weren’t bound legally and professionally too as I’d love to hear their true opinions, not career laughs and misleading words.

[@Charleroi92]

The only way, imo, is a full reboot in a decade, using the House Ofthe Dragon prequel series as a springboard for an eventual "re-adaptation" of the ASOIAF books

[@oliviawilliams6204]

The problem was that George deal was with D&D not HBO, it was a package deal. Personally I’m hoping for an animated adaptation in the style of Castlevania Netflix show as a reboot. It would be the best way to handle all the challenges the adaptation would faces, the age of the characters and the actors aging, the dreams sequence, and a good way to keep special effects costs down.

[@Charleroi92]

@@oliviawilliams6204 yes, but what's the fun in that? The whole reason to make it live action, is to make it live action. I'm not knocking animation. Good animation is hard to find, and its quite the revolutionary artform, but imo, asoiaf deserves to be live action and reimagined more in line with george's vision, rather than a conceptualization of it

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@Charleroi92 I just think, it won't work live action too many problem, with actors aging faster than the plot go, at age it will be very noticeable, lot of dream like sequence and absatract vision, animation would work better, live action won't work... the show kinda already proved it. try make sense of the show timeline with the actions who happens in king landing on the show timeline and put it with Arya stark aging 10 years and you realize maybe 2 worth of political event in King Landing happened on a way too stretched plot

[@jaybird8192]

Chris Reed Millions of fans, including myself would love a remake of the last couple of seasons! Unfortunately, that's not going to happen!

[@CynicalDriver]

Maybe George should have gotten busy actually finishing the books instead of playing on set, and the final season wouldn't have gone the way it did. Just sayin.

[@acadianalien]

@Jethro Derp What are these rumors?

[@ashtray0belief]

@Jethro Derp What are those then?

[@jademilligan9734]

I hate to talk smack on the old man, but I have to agree. If he had finished them, there would have been little wiggle room, and the writers would have stayed on track a little better.

[@CynicalDriver]

@@jademilligan9734 yeah. He is a brilliant writer, and I am not saying anything against his talent or ability at all. I just wish he would focus and get it done. It would be a shame if the world lost him before he completes what many people consider a masterpiece.

[@kapioleilanionalanielua]

If I could change one thing I would wish that Daenerys did not sleep with Jon. Think about it, the whole ending would have been different. Remember how attentive he was to her when he wanted her? He would have been there for her at all times, but after he slept with her a few times, then finds out she's his aunt, Jon just totally ignored her. And with Jon acting this way, her friends are dead, Daenerys had no one but her dragon and army. Man, I pray the last books are totally different than TV show.

[@riwajchalise8317]

Well Season 8 should never have been aired

[@TalkingThrones]

Lmao

[@GKIRA89]

Also, season 7.

[@rahulmenon9530]

@@GKIRA89 it had it's moments

[@mancuniangamecat8288]

Entitled much.

[@TallJai]

Loved the episode, haven’t watched something GoT related in a while since the pain of S8. Thank you!

[@raw_pc]

Arya could have her own series about her voyage to the unknown lands. The possibilities are endless there.

[@Aron-ru5zk]

GRRM would need to write a book for it to follow or it would just be an entire series of season 7/8

[@keenanweind1780]

Just watch Dora the Explorer... ☻

[@raw_pc]

@@keenanweind1780 You love it so much that you are recommending it to random people online.

[@keenanweind1780]

@@raw_pc I have not recommended anything. The point was that all possibilities need be entertained. The conversation surrounding Ivermectin was stifled; THAT is the issue here. People seem to think Dr. Fauci is infallible (although he has repeatedly disproven that assumption). So, again, I am not recommending anything, save that you open your mind to reason. But, in the case of Joe Rogan, his doctor prescribed it, so (clearly) some physicians see possible efficacy. You should also look up the MATH+ protocol, where you will see Ivermectin listed, along with vitamins such as D, and Zinc. Do not take my word for it (nor that of Don Lemon); take the time to do some research...

[@keenanweind1780]

@@raw_pc oops, I thought I was responding to a different thread...

[@felixwankel3989]

Beniof and Weiss should never be allowed near another project ever again.

[@BruceVial]

That single pilot is still better than season 8 😂

[@BruceVial]

Dire wolf got fucked over ether way.

[@sarahjames927]

... watch it be better than s8😂

[@TheTam0613]

Anything would be, can be, could be, and was better than season 8!

[@lauran.9427]

I could ABSOLUTELY see that happening 👍

[@lozzastitch8692]

Am I the only one still obsessed with this show?

[@VALENTINEBEAMS]

Given that books devoted to the subject continue finding their audience, probably not...

[@halosandhorns8]

No

[@halosandhorns8]

The prequel is coming soon too. So yeah

[@hunterscrackdealer6650]

Season 8: Why You Don’t Pay People In Advance

[@tomasberka567]

Still better than season 8

[@shelly2758]

The last part kinda pisses me off more...lol

[@lenastorm6280]

This was my absolute favorite show. But I haven’t watched a single episode since the time I watched the last episode for the first time. Kinda ruined the whole show for me.

[@JadaDaKid]

This is awesomeness thank you!!! Great work

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks for checking it out. I love finding out new details about this 'legendary' episode.

[@JadaDaKid]

Talking Thrones you have done a great job while the show was on and even now the the show is gone you are still sharing with us the great things the was under the script. I believe no I know you are a great Game of thrones historian. Please keep up the great work. Till then I’ll be patiently waiting for your next episodes. Wow can’t believe all this time has just fly by.

[@roberticvs]

He read us an article from Entertainment Weekly. Hardly journalism.

[@JadaDaKid]

Robert T Do u know the difference between a journalist and a historian, you know those two are different right. And at least he’s when ahead and read something out to me the I didn’t know about. Regardless we’re it came from obviously it has to come from somewhere. Thank you for your opinion. Plus he gave us he’s own opinion on it as well.

[@jeniferaswani5397]

I am watching from purgatory,died during the long night

[@aliengranpa]

I just found out about this episode yesterday. They should release it on KZbin, it would be the most watched video ever!

[@InterestedAmerican]

This biggest piece of info I got from this video (and it's important) is at 11:28 where GRRM says, "The biggest thing was Dan and David called me up and had the idea of eliminating Rickon, the yougest of the Stark children, because he didn't do much in the first book. I said I had important plans for him, so they kept him." Many people feel that, because the show just unceremoniously kills off Rickon at the start of the Battle of the Bastards, that Rickon will die quickly in Winds of Winter. This statement makes that assumption folly. Rickon Stark will play an important role in what is to come in the books.

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Or maybe GRR didn’t know what to do too and is still writing the new books (six words per day)

[@GullibleTarget]

Sansa will turn evil and will try to have Rickon and Jon eliminated. She'll have Rickon killed. The battle of the bastards will actually just be Sansa and the Lords of the Vale, taking Winterfell back. She'll get rid of Bealish and take Sweet Robin as her hostage/betrothed. She'll force Jeyne Poole to keep pretending to be Arya. Jon will still die at the hands of the Watch but, Jon will return in the body of Ghost. And just when Sansa thinks she is finally Lady of Winterfell and not taking crap from nobody; Arya walks in, with Jon(Ghost) and Bran who tells Sansa: "I have seen everything." The end. Sansa will never be queen in the North. Dany won't be killed in front of the throne (Young Griff will) basically; everything that happened in season 8 was a mirror image of the final two books. Meaning: the Others will win in the end and all the characters living in the big blue Eye of George, will shut their eyes forever. Posthumously. I think George is aiming to die and leaving behind his own version of 'Unfinished Tales' *rearranges tinfoil hat*

[@Omggeex]

Rickon might be King in the north and have Jon as his regent

[@mjw630]

We should be starting season 9 right now

[@ParanoidOwlet]

As much as l would love GOT to be longer, George’s statement in the end is not entirely honest. First, several storylines have already been cut from the script with his approval, so it would be really illogical to revive them in later seasons. Second, you can’t just say oh use my old material when the story is basically half-written and you have no intention to finish it in the near future. It could literally go forward in a thousand of ways. And in order to go forward seamlessly and convincingly, you gotta have a writer of GRRM scale and talent which is a rare thing. So yeah, while D&D did screw up the show in lots of ways, it’s not like George cackling about their failure comes off that nice.

[@jimmyb640]

I was a driver driving actors to location. Was first shot in Stirling Scotland before going to Ireland then Morroco. I was the main driver for Jennifer Elle

[@RayaLee3]

The drogo and dany scene after their wedding is one of my favorite scenes in the books because it's when she finally realizes she has control over something which is her sexuality. I love it but I do understand why they had to change it for the show because they aged her up. Rightfully so nobody wants to see a 13-year-old banging. But get across the point that they don't understand each other and that she is kind of afraid of him I understand why they made that choice. As much as I love the scene in the book

[@BubblegumCrash332]

History repeats, I wonder if we will ever see the Blood Moon piolet.

[@TalkingThrones]

Probably not.

[@made-line7627]

I'm still devastated that we're not getting "Blood Moon". I feel it was intentional to leave the WW story so f*cking blank and wide-open, so that people would have more reason to watch BM - in order to find out just *what* went on with the first Long Night and the genesis of the Others. That they left us with *that* sh*t finale, and that's *all* we have (until the books are done 🤞🏻) is just crushing. I'm still devo.

[@jaehaerysitargaryen7923]

D&D failed miserably at the end just like how they failed at the beginning.

[@TheQueendom-Au]

I actually saw many of these pilot scenes when I had taken my children to the movies. It was maybe a 10 min preview before the actual movie we were there to see , started. It had small pieces from every first episode scene, including the children of the Forrest and Ned's bro n dad being killed in kings landing.

[@xancypillosi9497]

They show the Sharks getting killed by wildfire in pilot ?

[@fredspofford]

@@xancypillosi9497 Killed by giant squids, yes.

[@ireallyshouldntbehereltd7814]

So after 8 seasons and sacrificing one of HBOs best ever entertainments series, Rome, to fund ASOIF I, personally, am so upset that the potential wasn't realised. But, thats what you get when you start making massive changes to the plot and winging it.

[@Grivehn]

They scrapped Rome for it? Damn, the more you know...

[@shauntempley9757]

@@Grivehn Wow. Doing that to Rome is unforgivable.

[@CashanovaXTREME]

Yes! Rome was absolutely amazing, I wish they continued that series for years. I’ve seen both seasons many times.

[@qwertzuiop7578]

When you said George was an extra I was shocked. I thought he dressed up for whatever reason, to be fun on set or something

[@TalkingThrones]

Too bad his scene didn't make the cut. He should have been an extra no matter what. Dan and Dave were in S8.

[@made-line7627]

@@TalkingThrones WERE they???!

[@Omggeex]

@@made-line7627 Yh they were in the background during the scene where Tormund is like to Jon snow who gets on a dragon and fights a mad man or something along those lines I remember because my friend was making fun of them 😂

[@zer0foolpsvr698]

They used scenes from the original pilot... they added the hair cut scene to tie them together... because all the stark boys and theon had different length hair in the old vs newer scenes

[@AlisiaBolivar]

Wow, Over 24,000 views in just 15 hours 👏🏽WELL DESERVED! I’ve been subscribed for years and have enjoyed watching your work evolve. Thanks for another great video - lots of info i hadn’t known yet!

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks for checking in

[@foley15136]

I know someone that works in editing. They saw some of it.. They said that it wasn’t as bad as reported. I’d also love to see it. I doubt that will ever happen.

[@Alknix]

1:27 Ah, what an iconic image. Our Lord and Savior between two thieves.

[@adamgetzendanner]

I cant believe HBO always Dan and Dave to go the route that it went. I’m sure ppl behind the scenes could tell that Dan and Dave were getting burnt out. They should let someone else take the reins. And gave it the ending it deserved

[@theb3654]

I always forget how much i loved this universe but season 8 pretty much killed that.

[@xancypillosi9497]

I've read the books. Can't wait for WOW. Season 8 is meh. So meh.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

The original Dany actress sort of looked like Rose Leslie/Ygritte.

[@Trix897]

She did a great job as Katherine Howard in The Tudors.

[@sayrewilkin-dalby619]

Would we really say the Dothraki relationship with their horses wasn't as close as the relationship the Starks have to direwolves or the Targaryens have to their dragons? "Their bond with horses is such that Dothraki are said to be born, fight, and die in the saddle." " Dothraki do not trust salt water, because their horses cannot drink it." "Mirroring the importance of the horse in their culture, the Dothraki religion worships a deity known as the Great Stallion." "The Dothraki believe that the stars in the sky are horses made of fire, and that the starry sky is a great herd of fiery horses racing across the sky.[6] The Dothraki further believe that these horses of fire are ridden by deceased Dothraki, and that the more fiercely a person burned in life, the brighter said person’s star will be in death.[13] This causes maesters to say that the Dothraki believe the stars are the spirits of the valiant dead.[32] When a horselord dies, a horse is slain so he can mount it in death.[7] " I would argue that the Dothraki relationship with horses is at least as strong as the others, if not stronger.

[@TalkingThrones]

I meant in terms of controlling them with their mind.

[@sayrewilkin-dalby619]

@@TalkingThrones Ah, fair play.

[@justineharper3346]

I'm still thankful to D&D for introducing me to this world, which I'm now completely obsessed with. I'm also super pissed at them though for not passing the torch when they got burnt out on the show. Im sure there were plenty of people who would have gladly picked it up and shown the series the respect it deserved

[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

Don’t be thankful to them, be thankful to George RR Martin for creating the world. D&D basically ruined it.

[@ravercorum20]

"They should have done it the way GRRM intended it to be" - Ok but in the books Danny is like 12~ years old iirc. Ofc they had to make some creative changes to that scene for TV. Also, I kind of liked the TV version better because it sets Danny to oppose the dothraki at first only for her to come over to their side as she adapts and learns to love being adopted into this new culture. As a character Danny had only ever known Targaryan, specifically the cruel, impoverished beggar king Vicerys who would mistreat and abuse her. She never felt at home with him, but she did with the Dothraki despite the shaky start. Character growth is important and I feel as if the TV series did a better job of portraying that in this one singular case.

[@la1495]

The rest of Lena's quote is epic. She's awesome

[@darrenfreyauthor]

Seasons 7 and 8 were the disaster and could have been at least four seasons. Hell, choosing the new king at the end could have been a full season alone.

[@GullibleTarget]

Lena Headey did have a ridiculous hairdo at the banquet scene. It looked like a pie

[@TalkingThrones]

It was over the top, for sure..

[@Wordsmith00]

I like how the video ends with a jab at Dan and Dave 😂

[@darthslackus499]

5:04 Of course GRR Martin was cut from the screen, those eye-glasses were just as bad as the Starbucks cup.

[@pschroeter1]

I recognized the last season felt rushed and odd. I liked some things, but it felt like they were rushing to finish. I thought the The Great War with the Night King and the war with Queen Cersie in King's landing could have taken entire seasons. I'm actually reasonably please with what they decided to do at the end, I just thought it needed more set up.