"Hamas Started It Because They Wanted The Response" | James Whale vs Sulaiman Ahmed

Investigative journalist Sulaiman Ahmed says "no babies were killed by Hamas" on October 7th, and claims there is "zero evidence" of sexual assaults.
In this discussion about the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine, James Whale and Sulaiman Ahmed, two people with starkly different perspectives, engaged in a heated debate. The conversation highlighted the deep-rooted animosity and complex history that underpins the Israel-Hamas conflict, shedding light on the challenges of finding common ground in such a divisive issue.
The debate touched on various contentious topics, ranging from accusations of genocide to human rights violations and propaganda. James Whale argued that Israel was simply responding to attacks on their country, while Sulaiman Ahmed condemned Israel's actions as acts of terrorism. The discussion also delved into the role of Hamas, with one participant expressing concerns about the organization's tactics and use of human shields.
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[@shishtaoukgainz6951]

This man cannot say a sentence without lying. What the hell is wrong with this man.

[@stevegray5709]

What's worse is he can't talk about a girl being shot in the back of the head without without a stupid little grin on his face........moron.

[@mjones4083]

They all seem to be like that .

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

His religion.

[@log_17]

No, not lied. I have a calender in Arabic.

[@log_17]

@@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak Lol! What happened to the Fourty bhded babies? That was a lie, u know?

[@susandrydenhenderson6234]

The man is just sitting there talking lies.

[@d.tr6176]

And laughing his head off.

[@salami12365]

where did he lie?

[@malcolmemsley7176]

No he isnt...Hes talking shite.

[@EGF1000]

@@salami12365 everything

[@salami12365]

@@EGF1000 example

[@rejithankachan3924]

None of the muslim in the world never condemned the October 7 terrorist attack.

[@cyblogng9765]

Just as non of u guys will condemn isreal killing 30,000 baby and children

[@atharm4120]

You condemn ww1 ww2 atomic bombs vietnam korea iraq 1 and 2

[@TheAshube9]

​@@atharm4120october the 7th has just happened and is being responded to

[@dacostarui]

No. They all have a same color of ideology based on their religion ’islam’! So there is no daubt to say they are all terorists!

[@womenlifefreedom2024]

Some have. Give credit where credit is due.

[@CornwallGhosts]

Can't expect him to tell the truth when he hides behind a religion of lies🙄

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

Never trust an i5lam, ever.

[@Discodave007licencedtothrill.]

You’re speaking like a true Zionist there. 👏

[@shamsheerg7519]

Mohammad used rape, slavery and terror... why do we expect anything less from muslims?@@shamimlogde4997

[@PunkiBrooster]

Islamophobia is just as well as religion of lies. All religions are religions of lies. Some just seek to defend the believers while others seek to bring harm on innocent children because of their beliefs.

[@IA67676]

​@Aerojet01you're saying that but a religion person could just say God said x and y is wrong and he's all knowing end of. Atheists can't provide any evidence that certain acts are wrong

[@Pintocaleb256]

Never expect truth from a Hamas spokesperson

[@motelr]

never expect truth from a jewish spokesperson

[@womenlifefreedom2024]

Does he have proof Shani was alive? And how it's okay to spit in her if she was alive? Disgusting filth.

[@monamobarek]

What are you on about?

[@P.Prince-q7e]

Exactly! He is straight up evil incarnate.

[@odoggariku17066]

Can UK get rid of this dude

[@majahelenacosta9507]

Amen...

[@Xadiyoluula]

U are a black, no black British 😂😂😂

[@imran-u6t]

These two idiots should be locked up in a cell

[@janinecaramanus1392]

I am sorry this peace loving Islamist on the show is delusional and doesnt want to believe what happened.

[@nelsonteixeira116]

He knows exactly what happened, and keeps lying and repeating the "mantra of victimisation". He's not making a minimum effort to say something constructive and positive to bring peace despite the antagonism between Hamas and Israel. It's easier to say ,"I want peace but they did this and tha"t...

[@Discodave007licencedtothrill.]

Is Zionism a peaceful religion? Because by the look of their actions, it isn’t.

[@d.tr6176]

@@nelsonteixeira116 The other big fat lie is him wanting peace.

[@anhpam9205]

No need to apologize. It is more than obvious!

[@jackdeniston6150]

he doesn´t want US to believe. Surprising for a gay.

[@jenniferbarry5887]

This man can't even admit to what we've all seen.

[@karodiah]

The irony is that much of what was originally “seen”, has been debunked as false news by Israeli news houses themselves. Wake up!

[@josm1481]

Ms lie by religion. They will defend Islamic terrorists and r*pists over k-fear victims every time.

[@morah7700]

There's alot you see in movies too

[@adamdar5121]

What we’ve seen is genocide , war crimes, nearly 35000 innnocent Palestinians being brutally murdered! That’s what “WE” have seen

[@sjmousavi8754]

What have you seen? His is not Eylon Levy .

[@TheShaked123]

this muslim man clearly gets his facts from palestinian children’s books

[@guilmarperez4674]

TheShaked123 so you saying that with a straight face... how embarrassing for the UK to have stooped so low. Reading these comments tells me large percentage of you clowns haven't even finished primary school... yet dum bass comments flow, bancking this show featuring Dumb and Dumber ...

[@motelr]

jews get their from other lying jews

[@womenlifefreedom2024]

Memri tv

[@jenzabel]

The woman everyone saw was brutalized! This man is repugnant!

[@HarmonybeatsH]

1 women?! And yet there is over 30,000 children and women who have been killed by Israel and that’s fine is it? Please educate yourself and stop reading the sun!

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - If a Israel PM/Govt - Publicly promoted funding Hamas - To avoid 2 State Solution - Condemns Hamas or Funds Hamas?

[@Pr2two]

Shani was alive hiding behind IDF they used her a human shield

[@topbanana4013]

search you scumbag its easy type in German girl raped and killed in Gaza ffs. stop playing the dumb card.

[@topbanana4013]

strange how we see her in a back of open truck with her legs broken ?? DEAD @@Pr2two

[@nightflight4191]

Islam is just envious of the intelligent, diligent ilIsraelis

[@habibahbegum2803]

you wish😂 you're the jealous one here get help to overcome your jealousy

[@lekejacobs4864]

This man says he loves U. K., but his belief, mentality and allegiance are clearly adverse to U. K.'s values! What double standard and sheer hypocrisy!

[@rogeliomendoza1706]

Why UK LET THIS MUSLIM LIVED IN UK? HE IS A DEVIL... DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS UN EUROPE....

[@monamobarek]

What!? How was he adverse to UK values, and what exactly are UK values? You are so blinded by your prejudice and hatred that you didn’t understand a word he said.

[@traceyedwards6193]

He thinks we can’t see through him… what a horrible being. Islam is such a problem around the globe.. people are sick of it, but won’t say it, because they’re scared of repercussions.

[@traceyedwards6193]

And aggressive.

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

Not even hamas deny what theyve done, why is he?

[@sniperkingowl]

Eh???? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@bustaballs]

Hamas admitted to the attack. They've denied rapes and beheaded babies because that never happened.

[@shyam87]

Free the hostages

[@gerrykeatings1309]

The Palestine hostages.

[@donaldmcronald8989]

​@@gerrykeatings1309 The majority of those Palestinian hostages will return to 'resistance' as soon as they're released. U dumb bro?

[@FreedomVoice365]

@@gerrykeatings1309 Those are terrorist prisoners

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

​​@@gerrykeatings1309they are murderous prisoners, not hostages.

[@GiovanniWentzel-zl2rd]

There are no " Palestinian" hostages .

[@TagMahirTzedek]

Without lies, islam dies

[@TASSIMMETALI]

Its d judaism use lies to exist...u dont know d root to d history

[@skyseven4656]

We don't need to tell lies it's all abvious now what is the truth

[@AhmadKhan-eg9bu]

With all this propaganda for decades and lies still their religion is the fastest growing religion in the world why is that ? Indeed its not the religion that is wrong but it's people like you are blind

[@Lurch685]

Jew spotted

[@Ohmz27]

Funnily enough we've been seeing nothing but lies from Israel. Enough lies to make your head spin. I wonder if Hamas have managed to murder all the days of the week yet?

[@helenmaor9914]

This guy Ahmed is absolutely delusional

[@mt3776]

It wouldn’t surprise me if he denies the scale of the holocaust

[@glizzforman8094]

@@mt3776 it equally wouldn't surprise me if you deny the scale of the Palestinian genocide...

[@RD-0101]

He's not at all delusional. He's using Taqyia=telling lies to non muslims,in order to advance islam all over the world and make a worldwide islamic caliphate. Simple.

[@mrscruff238]

Typical muslim

[@elisabethilling9893]

Indeed

[@shamimlogde4997]

Same goes to israel

[@baborali2276]

@trapeye0 That's right Israelis are the cause of the problem, thank you for your insight

[@RCPlanePilotChannel]

"Fool the infidels" (non-Muslims) Al-Takiyah

[@RB-eg6jm]

My dislike about all this crap fairytales religion is based on facts. I think we had enough ! I really think they hate us for having a normal life.

[@Codydoggy]

Oh please the Muslim with half a British accent who is denying the Oct 7, I’m done listening to him

[@Miszmish]

Said a genocide denier

[@alvarosilva9251]

Talking with Hamas supporters is like talking to a wall.

[@kathiemorgan5492]

so true

[@EGF1000]

nah - wall isn't evil

[@mas_khan9674]

Israel are the angels arent they 😂

[@TheHH77]

I agree they are strong as a wall you can't move them

[@freepalestine1929]

Talking to Israeli zionist supporters each and everytime its like you're talking to ignorant imbeciles !

[@Amen-sx3mp]

The guest is terrible! Every time he is asked about Islam he deflects to other faiths.

[@palerider955]

Because he's a liar.

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

That's their methodology to try and keep the truth hidden.

[@d.tr6176]

@@iamkang What other faiths have murder in their heart?

[@iamkang]

@@d.tr6176 every other religion do u not know your history? Even now what the Hindus in India, what they’re doing to Muslims? The Christians in the church and what they’ve done to children? Jews & what they’ve done with children? Come on be foreal man

[@rossib6974]

Talk TV hosts always ask questions and don't allow answers then interfer and lable the guest liar and rubbish his talk without any back up evidence as if we are entitled lot and our view is fact but others not !? We have seen clearly Genocide been going on against 35 thousands of Palestinians by Isrealies as filled before ICC for trial ! Both conflicting sides are aged on against each other by England since a century ago as ongoing with Brexit English lot milking it on Islam

[@VJ-Lowe]

"Hamas started it because they wanted the response." The title of this report nailed it. Hamas got exactly what they wanted.

[@Myrtle43]

Iran did you mean 😣

[@bwow6800]

When was the start?

[@fira3reo]

yeah they want themselves to be eliminated 😂 what a stupid mindset u got, u don’t know anything about Hamas

[@michaelpayne3063]

@bwow6800 from the very moment when hamas founded

[@ValTwineDeaner]

I agree. It's like saying Ukraine shouldn't respond to being attacked by Russia!!!

[@nancyfalk8073]

I have been saying that since the beginning. No one is calling on the Ukraine to make sure their response is proportional.

[@Michael-yy3fr]

More like Russia went in to Ukraine to stop an actual genocide of ethnic Russians. Fact

[@jasoncole8607]

So ulkraine is iseral? That dosent make sense.

[@uniquevideosUk]

​​@@jasoncole8607 No, but it's bizarre nobody is saying anything regards the massacre of Christians in the middle-east! Who's doing that again Jason, seems kinda hypocritical of ppl to me, or is because the Nigerian, Ethiopian Christians don't matter? 🤔

[@Discodave007licencedtothrill.]

Ukraine STARTED the war with Russia, in 2014.

[@simonclare100]

A muslim lieing ? Who'd have thought it

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

"Come! Let us call our sons and your sons,our women and your women,ourselves and yourselves,then supplicate earnestly together and invoke the curse of Allah/Creator upon the liars among us." Holy Quran (3:61)

[@garybrooks7357]

😂😂😂. Iraq war was the biggest lie perpetrated by The West.

[@simonclare100]

@@garybrooks7357 was that a surprise to you ?

[@YavuzSelim1981]

Israel has been lying from dAy 1 ! Where is youre condemnation for those GENOCIDAL MANIACS ??

[@YavuzSelim1981]

​@@garybrooks7357Afghanistan? Libya ? Egypt ? Siria ?

[@naamashnizel]

He is really trying hard to justify his hate to Jewish

[@Aloh-od3ef]

This country is becoming a police state because of Islam. 😂

[@sfrancis7856]

Israelis occupied Palestine the Muslims occupieing uk that's fare 😂😂😂

[@donaldmcronald8989]

​@@sfrancis7856 Send everyone back to Africa where they came from.

[@uniquevideosUk]

​@@sfrancis7856 You missing the massacres of Christians in middle-east then? Sounds about right from a hypocrite terriost sympathiser.

[@uniquevideosUk]

​@@sfrancis7856You clearly have a problem with ✡️ ppl! Because the countries ppl are living in fear of been Christians, the many lifes been taken in them countries! Ive not seen one person supporting 🇵🇸 say a word for their lifes, kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

[@Discodave007licencedtothrill.]

It’s becoming a police state because of the Tories playing the victim. Nothing to do with Islam.

[@Bell.1956]

Yes, Israel is defending itself 😊

[@ToxicLucidity]

It is a verifiable fact that Israel created Hamas.

[@francescostello1377]

Really, this war didn't start in October 2023 fgs, defense? How can an Occupier state defend itself against those they are occupying? 33 thousands dead, over 70 000 injured, Gaza totally destroyed, might want to do some research on that one. Israel is a an Occupier state since 1948 in another country, created by the Zionist imperialistic British Balfour Declaration for the Rothschild dynasty. As such they are bound by international law, the UN Charter, the Geneva convention, and are not entitled to defense!! Which they chose to dismiss. Since 1948, the Palestinian people have suffered 75 years of Israeli occupation, their apartheid regime, their genocide of the Palestinian people during those years and now,. Israel are committing genocide, as confirmed by the ICJ world Court hearing, and the UNSC, and the US, UK collective west are complicit in this genocide by supporting funding, sending weapons to Israel, against the world Court ruling.

[@darrenchristian3823]

😂😂 yh right

[@uniquevideosUk]

​​@@darrenchristian3823 Darren go virtual signal for one area of middle-east! Yet you say nothing for the rest, I get you Darren, your a hypocrite.

[@shamimlogde4997]

Israel wants to take more Land

[@palakompalako9625]

he doesnt agree that hamas kidnaps babies, excuse me when was kidnapping of people okay? Hamas wanted a response and gets it and suddenly cries about it.

[@paulsmith982]

You're unlikely to get anything remotely truthful about Israel from someone called Sulaiman Ahmed

[@raycorrigan3297]

Or ask any Israeli

[@olgam601]

@paulsmith982 clever comment.

[@d.tr6176]

About Israel or on any subject. This constant lying is pathological.

[@EGF1000]

@@olgam601 not an argument. just a statement

[@srilanka739]

hahahaha brilliant

[@davidsimpson2685]

With out lies Islam dies.☝🏽

[@djinghiskhan9199]

without?

[@charsobishi]

@@1seafisher yes so true

[@Stantheman4444]

Same for Judaism, Christianity and all religions. They’re all trash!

[@TheLion-b3h]

Without grammar you’re a spanner…!! 🤣😝

[@charsobishi]

Every Jewish accusation is an confession!!

[@EstherCohen-o2i]

You can have a hard time trying to win a argument with a clever person, you'll have an even harder time winning an argument with a stupid person but you can never win an argument with a liar.

[@benonicasas610]

So true, ask the devil....he knows, he's the father of lies......

[@StillYHWHs]

Oh but you can win. They are only lying to themselves. We can all go home and sleep. Do they who lie? No.

[@TruthMattersOfficial]

Be very careful of this guest. He's not just telling porkies. He's ok with the atrocities. Extremely dangerous.

[@Owenalpe]

There are hundreds of thousands of those like him if not more walking around london and the rest of the Uk right now.

[@utfocrew7762]

Typical colonist mentality

[@stratfordbaby]

@@millies500 He couldn't help it. He's not very skilled with the taqiyya.

[@stratfordbaby]

Not as if the police would do anything about it. More busy telling a woman that a swastika is contextual in the middle of an anti-semitic parade.

[@VoiceSriLanka]

lol lie matters to u Zio nists

[@saeedchaar3607]

Well spoken Sulaiman Ahmed

[@paullloyd6852]

This is called a jihad of deception. As the Quran states its acceptable to lye to the infidels.

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

Exactly, taqiyya.

[@paullloyd6852]

@@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak hence Muslims pretending to convert to Christianity. Another good example.

[@henaqureshi907]

Proof?

[@gustgoris8009]

@@henaqureshi907 It's in your f*cking quran man.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

@@henaqureshi907 1400 years of bloodshed and violence.

[@travelswithted673]

Smiling whilst he says the women wasn’t dead says it all for me.

[@LucyO-jl1cw]

Sick people ...imagine living in your neighborough

[@andybennett1133]

Typical Abby

[@fozlulrashid8957]

?

[@jakeggpro1138]

An evil snake that should go back to the dictatorship he came from. Makes me sick

[@georgik7421]

@@andybennett1133 I was smiling to when those two idiots talking lies, when they do not want to agree with anything but zionist propaganda.

[@jacobreal6451]

No babies were killed on Oct 7???

[@Miszmish]

Not a single child has been beheaded by Hamas. If you think the opposite, please share your sources.

[@Royboy50]

Does he think anyone believes this crap coming from an Arab I don’t believe a single word he says .

[@hadror13]

He's not even Arab. Most likely doesn't even speak Arabic. Has 0 understanding of either the middle eastern history and politics or anything about Judaism. He's absolutely deluded with lies

[@thedarkness2635]

He's not Arab you plank. Sit down and shut up.

[@log_17]

But u believe the calender in Arabic as khamas operations. Typical!

[@Kimllg88]

theyre all liars

[@thedarkness2635]

@@Kimllg88 he's not an Arab you dummy

[@farrellgreenhall5069]

Free the hostages and stop all the lies.

[@ahmedelsayeh1572]

The Palestinians?

[@Salmarules]

Netanyahu dosent even care about the hostages🤡🤡hamas is just a liability for him

[@bigtruefacts69]

@@ahmedelsayeh1572 Yeah, they should be freed to the 19 Arab League member states that are Sunni-majority Arabic speakers, just like them.

[@elmouelhi2951]

​@@bigtruefacts69and jews to the European countries

[@dimply1000]

@yxzhvw348free Palestine from what ? None of us don’t know what is exactly FREE PALESTINE ISRAEL DO NOT HAVE A WAR WITH PALESTINE !!!! It is Israel and Hamas. Open your eyes

[@BatGalAriel]

Why you bring liers to the studio?

[@AhYe-fm6ij]

I havnt seen any talmudic kabbalyst zion idology worshipper on this pannel..

[@Eagle_000]

Aljazeera pool 2015, asked its Muslim audience 👇 Do you support ISIS victories in Iraq and Syria? Yes 81.60% No 18.40% That tells alot about the people you invite here in your channel to condemn Hamas' atrocities.

[@pk3778]

If ISIS is that bad then why are the Israeli working with them to undermine some countries in the region...???

[@djinghiskhan9199]

source?

[@charsobishi]

ISIS is anti Hamas and have posted videos threatening to attack Hamas. ISIS has never attacked or targeted Israel and has only apologised to one country...Israel.. Israel has also provided first aid to Isis these are all facts!!

[@7ozni]

Fake BS as usual. Ur source if u are a real man

[@natalieowen5]

He already told you the source aljazeera

[@lesleyking3541]

Please do not be rude to the Jewish man who seems the most informed. Do not believe the lies permitted in islam .

[@sureyyaekinci4630]

Oh boy you are in real trouble if you think any of these 3 are well informed 😂

[@saint5027]

Without Lies, Islam Dies.

[@susandrydenhenderson6234]

The Palestinians have declined every mutually agreed peace proposal.

[@mjones4083]

Try telling that to the "liberals " who march with the hate mobs every weekend: proudly wearing the black/white terrorist scarf . I have seen some (living in central London ) even draping their children /babies in the wretched scarf . They just don't get it that they will only be idiots of use for a while and that "they" will come for them too when they think the time is right .

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

Exactly. They could have had half that land and their own sovereign state by now, but they chose war and hate instead..

[@shamimlogde4997]

Why dont israel give their Land back

[@Myrtle43]

@@shamimlogde4997 Quote from Zuheir Mohsen, PLO leader 1971-79 The Palestinian people do not exist. There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation. Lo and behold, I have relatives with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are one people. It is only for political reasons that we carefully endorse our Palestinian identity. Indeed, it is of national interest for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians in the face of Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new means to continue the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity.

[@baborali2276]

So by your logic, if some one took over your house and you fought back and then they said ok let's make a deal, they have the whole house but you only have the attic and basement but if you come in the living room they would kill you. What if refugees took over the host country that gave them sanctuary and took over the land and violently expelled and murdered the indigenous population and they fought back and they said let's make a deal you can have part of the land, isn't that an insult. The stuff Israel comes out with would insult the intelligence of a five year old. The Israelis wouldn't keep to a deal they would renege on it.

[@chakibelkasmi3086]

This Muslim is a liar

[@BS-wg9fg]

This Muslim exposes Zionists thugs

[@MitchObriens]

All.of them are

[@EGF1000]

most are

[@HarmonybeatsH]

Absolutely disgusting comment! Racist - please educate yourself

[@Burrburrcloud]

​@@EGF1000Where are the un headed babes? Found them yet? 😢

[@annewicks4993]

Omg this bloke is annoying he denies hamas did anything. Yes all religions have laws but they are not enacted because they are religious laws not countries laws. Except in strict muslim countries for the most part.

[@Earlscourt33]

Fact no islamic country have given equal rights to any other religion or non believers. They make then pay extra taxes.

[@yusufjha4248]

Name one country that does that you dufus.

[@USKitobxon]

Let me remind you that: 1. when Europe crusaded and slaughtered jews, they found peace only in Muslim lands. 2. Muslims respect Jesus, Moses and others waay more than Western states. Conflicts start when stupids like you pinpoint at us and try to twist the reality!

[@semprefidelis76]

Turkish here. Islamic country. Sephardic Jews, Orthodox Christians and all have same rights as Turks. No extra taxes for them. In fact, they are the Jewish population are top earners in Turkiye. Facts.

[@anasselmorabit4498]

He is talking about jizyah. Did you know this tax is lower than the tax muslims have to pay in the same land? Why is that not mentioned? Why do you not say they get an reduced tax rate. Furthermore when someone attacks the area where they (muslims, jews and christians) live, and if the muslims are not able to defend that area. The jizyah (tax) is payed back. Muslims dont get their tax back in this situation.

[@madammischief1453]

Where do you get your information from? The Zionist British media that constantly dehumanises muslims so muslim countries can be invaded and looted without anyone speaking up? If you are talking about jizya tax historically taken in some muslim countries, that is because muslims already pay a higher tax within religion. This was a lesser tax taken from non muslims so they didn't have to join military but would have full protection of the Muslim military. I would say it is much lesser than the UK tax system where the pockets of the MP's, banks and rich people are being lined through the common man's tax.

[@MariaGomez-yr1zw]

Lying is permitted for Muslims.

[@henaqureshi907]

Lying, butchering 14,000 babies, burning people, raping, stealing of land all permissible for the chosen people of Satan !

[@BS-wg9fg]

Chosen people of Satan r the perfect liars

[@karodiah]

You’re grossly wrong. Please take some time to research Islam & correct your false claim.

[@karodiah]

@john-supablaze9478 You’re grossly wrong. Please take some time to research Islam & correct your false claim. For purposes of clarity, there is absolutely no room for taqiya in Islam, this is a Shia concept.

[@You.are.boring.me.now2024]

@@karodiah Are you lying ? *Reliance of the Traveller (Umdat al-Salik by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d769/1368))* - A Shafi'i manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar university as corresponding to the Arabic original and conforming to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community, also certified by IIIT whose signatory was also the president of the Fiqh Council of North America. (page 744/5) *PERMISSIBLE LYING* r8.2 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "He who settles disagreements between people to bring about good or says something commendable is not a liar." This much is related by both Bukhari and Muslim, with Muslim's version recording that Umm Kulthum added, "I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements, and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A: in smoothing over differences)." This is an explicit statement that lying is sometimes permissible for a given interest, scholars having established criteria defining what types of it are lawful. The best analysis of it I have seen is by Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali, who says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. *When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible* (N: i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and *obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory*

[@micchaelsanders6286]

Referring to self defense as a "genocide" is unspeakably evil.

[@samhorder2259]

6 million Palestinian diaspora! More than any other group. If you condemn people to apartheid and suffering for decades, murder hundreds of people even in peacetime, then you have to expect resistance or terrorism. Anyone who looked the other way last year is as responsible for October as Hamas! Self defence is not killing tens of thousands of women and children, civilians, aid workers and journalists or your own hostages. It’s not shutting off water supplies and starving people to death, especially when you have the most high tech surveillance and are perfectly capable of investigating/ identifying individuals. It’s unspeakably evil to allow homes to be stolen, bulldozed, to steal/vandalise crops and to graze on others land whilst armed! To spit on, harass and throw stones at innocents whilst protected by an army,

[@bwow6800]

Referring to genocide as "self defense" is unspeakable evil

[@guilmarperez4674]

michaelsanders6286 you obviously misunderstood... Firstly it is Israel that is the Occupier, so can an occupier call their military actions defensive? Are you still here? It the right of the Palestinians that have the right to Defend themselves against the occupiers...

[@guilmarperez4674]

Now for Israhell to say they are defending themselves is the "unspeakable Evil" ... for you to support such Evil, makes you Complicit in these Crimes against Humanity....

[@womenlifefreedom2024]

​@bwow6800 it's not a genocide. Gaza has no excuse. Tik toks are proof. Especially from Gaza.

[@jillkeast3076]

Why does the guest speaker keep smirking when he is talking about Shani? Breaks my heart.

[@zoltan-zq3xe]

Because he's evil.

[@missk9950]

1 Shani v 30,000 Palestinians. No one cares for them 😢 All humans

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

He's a deviant, like the rest of his ilk.

[@waseemwallie]

Because he is talking to a bunch of clowns 😂

[@You.are.boring.me.now2024]

@@missk9950 Israel cares more for the "Palestinians" than Hamas or the rest of the Arab world and they are not intentionally targeting them, they are targeting HAMAS who do all they can to put the civilian population in harms way. What exactly should Israel do given the actions and threats made by HAMAS and what did one M bin Abdullah say about women and children being killed unintentionally in war?

[@jakibeckify]

This man doesn't stop lying it's unbelievable, there is not a single sentence that he didn't twist and lie about, I guess it is something inseparable of Islam

[@robertson3200]

A child who has been trained to hate others at a very young age will display lies and bullying without any sign of guilt.

[@lulubeauty4967]

U mean fiutthy,cruel Ziuenist??

[@lfc1097]

Its hard to believe that your show still goes on talking to people who deny truth that is staring them in the face ! Hamas filmed themselves carrying out all the things the people on your show say they didnt do ! Why are supporters of terror , violence and such get a platform to lie about Hamas say they will do again if they get the chance ?!

[@felixkmutisya3122]

This Muslim is 99.9 supporting hamas. Ask him where Nigeria country lies ..he probably might say in Europe. Stopping the show is the answer

[@shamimlogde4997]

Yes for fighting for their Land their right..Free Palestine!

[@OlgaHolger]

its totally fucked up in every way, fucked up!

[@sjam1159]

@lfc1097 Men like this have been on all over social media denying the Hamas atrocities and telling unbelievable lies like this man. One must wonder what is it that makes a person so susceptible to believing things that are plain untruths? Is it something of the nature of the human psyche? Although they’re abhorrent, on a psychological level, these subjects must fascinate psychiatrists.

[@sjam1159]

@@felixkmutisya3122 It’s better to see their true faces although in an article of an about an Islamist who had a long history of supporting and endorsing radical views & violence, Islam claims in courts that they don’t represent their religion. So basically, one is damned if they do & damned if they don’t. That is until they toughen the laws.

[@Footie158]

The girl was spat on with mangled legs clear as day, what the hell is he talking about

[@adamranson457]

Muslim in denial for the crime committed by other muslim, but when its done to them victim victim poor muslims everyones picking on us. Evil.

[@lulaverdivernaza6806]

Cobardes, agreden, asesinan, violan, maltratan y cuando Israel u otra nación se defiende se hacen las víctimas, manipuladores, deshonestos

[@smoothddd]

I hope British people will get their country back.. I visited London lately and i felt like im in Afghanistan.

[@johnchrysostomou9417]

No you didn't.

[@alanstewart4614]

Ye that will be one of the countries we invaded as well as many others

[@JQ-999]

Sulaiman Ahmed is a 🤡

[@leon17999]

I agree beacuse he speaks fact 🤦‍♂️

[@RB621337]

You're the clown. Dumb and Dumber are embarrassing and can't even basic fact check. Sulaiman was correct about Shani for example.

[@darrenchristian3823]

Like you 😂

[@pulsey2001]

Hope your not saying that in Scotland today 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🤣

[@uniquevideosUk]

​​@@leon17999 He doesn't mention what's happening in many other middle-eastern countries though, which is been done by ppl just like Hamas! Which seems hypocritical to me, or is it because there christains? 🤔

[@thankssherlock]

“I believe Israel is a terrorist country” while at the same time saying “i do believe Israel should exist”. This is why it’s so obvious that these people are not being honest.

[@freyabinenfeld9164]

Sinwar said he doesnt care about the citizens of Gaza. He knew it wouldnt be too long before the world would intervene to save him.

[@robinpomaleujr9193]

Is it possible that this person is a Hamas militant?

[@KingLouisFotizoAngel]

You are intelligent

[@naamashnizel]

Yes!

[@HamInHashomron]

It's a further desecration of Shani Louk for Ahmed to speak disrespectful of her memory. What a horrible person. Shame on him and Islam if that is what it teaches and projects

[@womenlifefreedom2024]

Exactly. He was smiling. Everything he says is a lie.

[@zeldagoblin]

He sits there grinning with glee at the woman's broken body, saying she was alive.

[@reubendaniel7381]

He should of gone to spec savers

[@FreedomFighter2002]

she was alive and died a week later in a hospital in gaza. please do your research.

[@Lurch685]

Cuz she was alive. He’s correct.

[@TheMazza595]

For the love of God, these dam fools are arguing over whether a poor child was murdered instantly, or after being mortally wounded for a week. Get them the hell off KZbin and bring on people who can help figure out how on earth we can stop the insanity. They’re arguing about the points of their particular religions when no one involved in the conflict abides by their religion, making it totally irrelevant.

[@Monkey_PNut]

Good G-d no wonder the worlds gone nuts with idiots and liars like this arab guy

[@junespitzer1918]

Why bother bringing this guy on the show? He's just a waste of space... and very dangerous!

[@worriedman75]

Sulaiman Ahmed needs to be arrested. is he for real?

[@r.c.4119]

In conclusion, on Oct 7th Hamas crossed the border to buy Jewish pastry.

[@ravenklaus711]

And before that Israel stole the land.

[@noafends]

Pretty much what most Muslims claimed happened 😂

[@Miller-qi2pt]

And something happened to some Jewish people

[@davidpowers8759]

Israel been defending itself since its creation lol

[@hadror13]

I wonder... against whom?

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

It had no choice with those terrorists next door.

[@shamimlogde4997]

I think the way they were treated the same way they treat Palestinians people

[@baborali2276]

​@bequialova You are a liberal thinker who always blames the victim, Attributing the personal negative traits of Israelis on to neighboring countries

[@baborali2276]

​@@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak Israel is the Terrorist state

[@brostelio]

Wow, another guest that's an absolute joke.

[@mariannesmith9404]

Ahmed should go and live in so called Palestine. Then maybe he will experience what is actually what is going on. What a horrid man. Please stop given these people a platform to spew their lies and hatred.

[@ganipower2011]

That man is a liar....

[@amoss646]

The camp homosexual Muslim is not delusional he is a liar.

[@alanzee_]

I agree Hamas did October 7th October to create a response but they got a far more aggressive response than they expected and are now regretting it.

[@ibrklik2930]

It was IDF who did it not Hamas. Know your facts BOT

[@eyalamit5120]

​@@ibrklik2930 There's body footage from Hamas themselves you conspiratorial moron

[@ruthlessready1748]

@@ibrklik2930100£ on u being Muslim

[@monicanath4859]

@@ibrklik2930right!

[@reubendaniel7381]

They started so they should have expected a response 10 fold

[@truthyruth]

Absolute lies by this person

[@alandoleman1480]

The saddest thing is all of this conversation is toxic the Muslim guy is abhorrent

[@timeames2509]

Science got us to the moon. Religion got us flying into buildings.

[@sareedoahmed1751]

How come we've never been able to go back?

[@garyk1334]

​@@sareedoahmed1751We could have any time but the americans chose to spend their money on low earth orbit endeavours & deep space probe exploration instead . After 6 landings on the moon they began to ask why they were spending so much money doing the same thing again & again whilst the public were losing interest .

[@mobuyus3560]

​@@sareedoahmed1751Jimmy Carter and democrats.

[@adamwajih1054]

Dancing Israelis

[@bwow6800]

And propaganda has you believing everything they want you to believe.

[@edgarherrera4061]

This muslim is being paid.

[@sunshinevg643]

Why Muslim can’t tell the truth . The video was shown by Hamas about what they did

[@Justice-e5k]

‏If you want to see pure evil the Muslims are the proof!!

[@guilmarperez4674]

How come these 2 Dum boes can't accept the truth. It seems if you believe these 2 Shyte Dum boes makes you into another dum boe...

[@fira3reo]

they did an operation that include hostages for an illegally prisoners exchange

[@MichelleKavarnos]

This "journalist" is the biggest joke. He posted a video saying Seoul is in Japan. They LOVE to tell us what is or isn't Judaism or anti semitic.

[@johndawhale3197]

He also called a cat a "dog"...

[@yusufjha4248]

Yeah - and they're brought onto Talk Tv for precisely that reason - as bait.

[@MichelleKavarnos]

@@yusufjha4248 yup! But I like to see the silver lining, which is they're exposing themselves and how clueless they really are.

[@seekthetruthfindit6879]

Sulaiman, not atheists killed people in China but communists. F**** off. Communism has more to do with religion. Both believe in some utopia and everyone has to conform.

[@marimuller9530]

There were no PALESTINIAN HOSTAGES???!😮😮😮WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT????

[@Ally-StaffyLover]

The Guardian 18th January 2024 - In videos from 7 October, the body of a young woman is lying face down in the back of a pickup truck, stripped to her underwear, one leg bent at an unnatural angle. One of the men sitting next to her pulls her long hair as armed men around him shout praises to God. Footage of the lifeless corpse of Shani Louk, a 22-year-old Israeli-German national, paraded around the streets of Gaza was some of the first to surface on 7 October, as the scale of the horror. So video images is not proof enough. Despicable abuse of rapes and killings took place. Stop denying this took place. You are complicit. Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime; having complicity. 🙄

[@royboy4571]

No one denies the atrocities of Oct 7, its the strawman repeated by right wing dufus's . The problem is the continual denial by Israel of their genocidal activities.

[@leviashanken2506]

People seemed to forget that so fast. Remember the NYT debunking there was any evidence of rapes?! Why wasn't that used as evidence?

[@haroonfarooqui3198]

Dont believe a word of the Guardian, nor anything that is spouted from Israel, perpetual liars and demonstrated throughout their campaign on Gaza

[@marimuller9530]

HOW THE HELL IS ISRAEL AN APARTHEID STATE???? ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES ARE APARTHEID STATES!!!! NOT ISRAEL!!!! NO JEWS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES 😮😮😮

[@sagikalev5299]

They have homeland - Jordan 🇯🇴 is 70% Palestinians. The Muslim guy have dementia as he forgot what Happened in 2006 as Hamas Massacre and threw off the roof members of the PLO ♟️

[@stratfordbaby]

That's the point. There is no Palestine and no Palestinian. They are just Jordanians that have a fake name given by Yassir Arafat around 1988 to have something to rally around. It's a fake term.

[@andrewcornibert7891]

Who funded Hamas

[@andrewcornibert7891]

Israel does not want a Palestinian state

[@jammin1881]

@@andrewcornibert7891 Why? Do you understand the middle east and the politics there? Hamas kept all the other lil f--k heads inline. The lesser of evils....... Now they went ahead and invaded their neighbors.

[@sagikalev5299]

@@andrewcornibert7891 ask Yusuf Massad and he will show you a picture of his father,,, Among other morons from Syria Iraq, leftover from Al-Qaeda, Afghanistan and Pakistan

[@clintonwilson3863]

He wants freedom of speech but only for his lot

[@johndavis1465]

Incorrect there is no freedom of speech under islam.

[@MrMegan1962]

They had a cease fire on October 6 , but then they invaded a country.

[@DCwolverine]

Israel is the invader. What world do you live in?

[@royboy4571]

Oh a Douglas Murray talking point. If there was a ceasefire on Oct 6, then you acknowledge the conflict has been going on for 75 years, congrats. Now go back and review all the Palestinians killed , displaced and expelled since then, including the West bank, at the hands of the Israelis. You will see Israel has been the oppressor, and Oct 7, as ugly, and immoral as it was, was merely a reaction to generations of oppression. And Israel true to its obvious original Zionist aims, is now attempting a bigger, bloodier Nakba..

[@seagull7579]

Muslim without lies cannot survive

[@davidshraiber]

From the river to the sea palestinian will not be.

[@Miguel_angel6791]

Without lies Islam dies. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SigalAlon]

Even if he had been there himself, he would still deny it. That's how they operate. They'll twist and throw the truth and blame back around on the victims themselves. Appalling!!!

[@rachael560]

It's taqqiyah

[@LegitShmullz]

Look at him smiling. Disgusting

[@emmahowells8334]

Look at the smug look on the guests face with lies dripping from his mouth, disgusting. With this guy its always someone else's fault and never his religions fault when its visa versa.

[@Mannequeer]

LGBT is ILLEGAL in all Islamic countries/states. The death penalty may be applied. LGBT is LEGAL in the majority of Christian (and Christian based) countries. No death penalty is applied. LGBT is LEGAL in Israel, the only country in the Middle East to do so. No death penalty is applied. Islam is the only religion still applying punishment and the death penalty for LGBT through country law.

[@vicinter954]

Honestly I believe there is a demonic power ruling over the followers of Islam. The Prince of Lies, the Destroyer bringing division and hatred everywhere they go.

[@LeaMumof3]

I'm an atheist. But Allah sounds like the devil. A truly terrible God. Of all religions, it truly is the worst. Not even Westboro is as awful, and they are truly awful.

[@bwow6800]

Star of ramphan people worship moloch.

[@fira3reo]

yeah, let’s not talk about the ones that r calming a land given by their God and let’s not talk about their Talmud

[@lw1zfog]

you should check out ‘Sabbatean Frankism’

[@benonicasas610]

Right on point? Keep it up..

[@nancyfalk8073]

Zionism is not “an extreme form of Judaism”.

[@lynnedavies5884]

Agreed my father was a liberal Zionist not at all extreme far from it.

[@shalimar1792]

Zionism is a pitiful ideology close to nazism...Read ILIAN PELE book on ZIONISM...HE is a Jewish born historian and professor whose parents went through the Hollo cost. Listen to his podcast.

[@lynnedavies5884]

💯

[@lynnedavies5884]

@@shalimar1792 Ridiculous just because he wrote a book doesn't make it correct.

[@EGF1000]

@@shalimar1792 lots of chickens for kentucky. don't you just love them

[@sigalitmenashe5022]

If he mentioned the TORAH he should know the Jews are chosen !!

[@siatic8604]

Our Muslim freind needs help as he is totally deluded .

[@ronholfly]

Both sides in this debate have forgotten the atrocities that are committed in war, at least Israel is conducting a war, Hamas invaded Israel in a terrorist attack and a terrorist attack has no rules.

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

From the Palestinian prospective this started 75 years ago. Your reasoning presupposes support if the Israeli prospective

[@ruthlessready1748]

@@Collabcreatemarketingno matter how you wrap up this present, Hamas provoked the war.

[@monicanath4859]

O so the genocide by Israel is fine?

[@JayEdwards-oz7ss]

​@mowleed2000 why 75 years ago? 151am15t5 claim they own all the Land from dinasour time

[@JayEdwards-oz7ss]

​@@Collabcreatemarketing151am15t5 invaded our countries those land thieves

[@edgarherrera4061]

God bless Israel.

[@orjirsamuel3783]

If you add up all of the people killed on both sides of the conflict involving Isreal from 1948,including the war of independence right after it's present and you include the highest estimated deaths toll on not just inside Isreal but on the side of Egypt, Jordan and everywhere else,you get and average of 6 months killing in Syria over the last decade. So why would it be that if you are an African muslims or a Pakistanis Muslim in London or elsewhere, you didn't turn out on Saturdays to protest for the killing of your fellow muslim religionist by BASHA ASSAD? You didn't spend one weekend outside of any Chinese embassy for the putting into concentration camps of 1million muslims in China, you didn't turn out after massacre in country after country, including like Sudan, Nigeria,Chad etc... But this country Isreal does one thing in self defense and all hell is loose, why??

[@AntonyParisGomez-gb9hs]

I pity that Muslim guy in this debate. He's a person who knows nothing about the fact.

[@mohamadsalibakil9347]

these two moderators are the worst for not allowing opponents to argue

[@steddyeddyuk]

When they have a Bradford call-centre accent, you can tell it will be a pack of lies

[@erikwallden]

This is scary. If educated people like Sulaiman can have and argue such a twisted position, we should be worried, really worried.

[@trevorjc251166]

People have been warning about the evils of Islam and it's radical followers for years, very often at huge cost to themselves. There needs to be an honest debate about our future and if Islam is compatible with a liberal western world and if the answer is no, then it needs to banned and it's followers deported to the Islamic country of their origin or choice.

[@briancrellin2441]

Education does not always mean intelligence!

[@niveditadey7347]

Hamas did kill civilians and kidnap them too and Israel did what a good government will do .The Hamas are to blame for the plight of the Palestanian people Stop blaming the Israelis