Why Have England Always Been Bad at Touring?😬 + Early Ashes 2025 Preparation! 👀 | Bumble & Kimber

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talkSPORT reporter and presenter Sam Ellard sits down with former England cricket player, umpire, coach and commentator David 'Bumble' Lloyd and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
In today's episode, Bumble and Kimber discuss why England has always been bad at touring, more so than India and Australia, and the early preparation England is going through for the 2025 Ashes series in Australia. Is it right?
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[@briansukhu4392]

The guy on the right, Australian in the blue shirt is probably one of if not the best crucket analysts I have had the pleasure to listen to.😊

[@JoshF848]

He's very very good. He's got his own channel too which is fantastic if you're into ultra nerdy cricket stuff

[@trainspotting101]

It's Jarrod Kimber

[@Sid-e5y]

Wouldn't it also be the case though that when starc hasn't played, conditions maybe more bowler friendly for lyon,and when starc plays it's not,thus starc actually helps lyon, I haven't looked deeply but could be the case

[@amarjeetmohanty6985]

Before starc there was johnson

[@SWJ_]

I like this show but the presenter tries way too hard. Stop interjecting and let the two people we’re here to see speak.

[@kash_money2397]

Yeah should tone it down a bit but really like the energy and he seems to be a better fit. Hopefully he's a young lad learning his craft

[@SWJ_]

@@kash_money2397 He’s 27, he’s not really a kid like that. At that age there should be a level of maturity, but he seems more like 20/21 years old.

[@njokic2176]

@@SWJ_he’s fine mate, get over it sook

[@kash_money2397]

@SWJ_ yeah and I'm around thag age and I get better in my career, broadcasters go on for ages so its really early. Contents moving to this more informal style cause of numbers and podcasts etc. I'm just happy it gives a platform to the true experts of cricket and let's me learn more about the game

[@jageiosjgaeiojg]

I think he's alright

[@muhammadsaad8086]

Archie-typle❤

[@mattskeff3022]

JK is the goat of cricket knowledge!

[@johnpsalinger173]

Agree. Every time I watch him in one of these videos, he makes an observation that blows me away. He sees things that no other commentator/analyst picks up.

[@noncookiecutter6753]

England haven’t lost a test series in South Africa for over 20 years either . They usually just get rolled in Australia and India .

[@kiriakoz]

That's an understatement. Last time they won even a single test match in Australia, Gordon Brown was PM. They do well in South Africa because half the players over the years have been South African, so it's a home game there.

[@TheXFireball]

England is also shockingly bad in the West Indies, even when everybody else beats Windies in the Caribbean.

[@noncookiecutter6753]

@@kiriakoz Only Nick Compton was South African born on the last 2 tours in which England won. Aye England have been beyond awful in Australia since then but are still the last touring side to win the Ashes .

[@noncookiecutter6753]

@@TheXFireball Yes Englands record is poor in the West Indies but they don’t get hammered there like they do down under. They just don’t compete in Australia .

[@JackBarrBaxter]

@@kiriakoz What a lying gobshite lol Tell us who the South African players were in 2015/16 and 2019/20.

[@markbateman9222]

Test teams don't do "tours" any more. They arrive, play one warmup "match" (a glorified training session) and then jump straight into a test series. No wonder the home team invariably wins the series! In 1961 Benaud's Aussies arrived eight weeks before the first test, played several county sides in serious competitive matches before the first test. On tour down under England used to play state teams before the first test, players played themselves into form and the test team was selected on current form not what they had achieved in previous seasons.

[@saurabhb1041]

You’re disconnected from realist mate. It’s got nothing to do with playing warm up games. As JK says, you gotta have multi conditions skills. Historically most teams have been very poor travelers. Barring the Aussies, the WI in 80s and India in the last 6-7 years.

[@hannibalking85]

As a Pakistani can let yow know we are not fired up. Our Cricket is in shambles

[@LiamS126]

There’s no Greggs when we’re on tour that’s a major problem

[@SA30.137]

I relate with Sam's obsession with pat cummins on a personal level.

[@AMB5]

England doesn't really need a left arm pacer to win in Australia all they need is players with balls. India didn't have any left arm pacer when they won twice(except Nattu who played one match) they had players with balls

[@kartikgoel07]

Love David Lloyd

[@sanjk4305]

It is also the cricket ball, they always cannot handle the kookaburra ball on fast bouncy wickets down under. You need fast bowlers to bowl line and length there is there is not much swing. Here the Dukes makes batting nigh impossible under cloudy conditions and swings too much.

[@cskwillreturn2473]

England doesn't necessarily need an Archer-type bowler to grind on subcontinental pitches. The real issue has been their batting approach, which often lets them down. Their batsmen have performed well in challenging English conditions, but they struggle on flatter subcontinental pitches, which shouldnt ideally balance out their bowling shortcomings.

[@Dannyefcfan1]

When are england not talking about the ashes 🙄 Tedious. Test cricket used to be about more than that one series.

[@mayankdewli1010]

They havent been that bad tbh. They beat India in India with Anderson swan panesar etc. They seem to win in sa and nz. They only struggle in aus and lose badly

[@russhouldin5774]

Why do so many want to make claims about "all time" or "always" without knowing their history? This header is just flat wrong. Why not "why has England been bad at touring since 1980?"

[@rohanmarkjay]

Actually England were pretty good generally touring in the 1970s and 1980s. It started to go pearshaped for ENgland overseas in the famous 1990s era. Where they would go to WI, SOuth Asia and Australia and get absolutely humiliated to the point it became a real life cricketing version of a Monty Python sketch. Sure it was comedy gold even to England fans. But they did not seem to have the same ability to adapt like previous England sides of the 1970s and 1980s. In 1970s and 1980s sure they might lose in WI or Australia but they Never gave the impression they were clueless in overseas conditions or became rabbits in the headlights like England teams overseas since 1990s have been. Yeah from 1990s it has been pretty much downhill except for a few rare overseas wins.

[@kartikshrivastava6233]

"Bowler from lancashire having big butt"

[@kedarsontakke1394]

8:01 Big Butt and Roger. I see what you did there Jarrod.

[@mattinterweb]

Last time England won down under they had 4 genuine quicks & a world class spinner. Ahmed will have to develop quickly and we will have to keep our promising quicks fit to stand a chance.

[@jacknoone3725]

We also had, and I don’t think this gets mentioned enough amidst all the talk of the bowlers, an entire top 7 who averaged 40 or more, it’s all well and good grooming quicks to bowl Down Under, but you need to give them sufficient rest too

[@anubhav111196]

And the Australian team was on verge of transition that’s why they lost

[@mattinterweb]

@@jacknoone3725 yeah agreed, but you don't stand a chance however good the batsmen are if you don't have the bowlers. Bowlers down under are the main factor for me at least.

[@vvnaib3604]

ECB preparing for Ashes eternally and keep losing series after series

[@DennisMpofu-wv5zo]

They haven't won a test match in Australia for more than a decade 😂😂😂

[@rohanmarkjay]

England Cricket teams have not always been bad. You have to go way back where they consistently did ok overseas but that was before the bad era of the 1990s. I would say the 1970s and 1980s were very good years for England touring sides even with a world beating WI and Aus teams. They always acounted themselves creditably even with good opposition and different conditions. I think in early 1993 they went to Subcontinent. Toured India and Sri Lanka and really really struggled in those conditions where previous England teams of the 1970s and 1980s would go to India and Sri Lanka and play well in Subcontinent. But after 1993 series. They just could not play well again Subcontinent. Yes they had a good series in 2001. But that was only bright spot. Normally they would not take the Subcontinent tour serious enough given that its one of the toughest assignments for and England team on tour after Australia. But would not put into the training required in those condition Australia and South Asia required to do well. For example they could have set a month long training camps in California or Spain which is very similar to aussie conditions in the 1990s and 2000s. But England teams never bothered despite having plenty of money to conduct such training in those regions. For South Asia they could have set up a training camp in southern Florida in the 1990s and 2000s. Whose humidity and heat is very similar to South Asian countries of India and Sri Lanka. For Pakistan they could have trained in the UAE for a month or two before going on tour in the 1990s and 2000s. Just because you do well in English conditions and train up for it does not translate to you doing well in conditions in South Asia and Australia. Because the cricket conditions in those parts of the world are totally different to England. English conditions if truth be told are very mild and comfortable for playing cricket compared to South Asia and Australia. So England teams immediately struggle over there besides the cricketing excellence of the hosts on top of that. They just do not seem to do enough to train hard enough for those tough tours in their conditions. Where as England Teams in 1970s,1980s while they trained in England indoors. They managed to adapt. Since early 1990s successive ENgland team mostly have been clueless in adapting to the challenging tour conditions of South Asia and Australia. An English summer is actually very comfortable in comparison and is not training school for the tough rigorous tests they get in South Asia or Australia.

[@christianfrost8660]

Ngl based on what happened to South Africa, Australia are going to take one look at England's bowling attack and prepare five green tops. England: We retired Jimmy Anderson and left Chris Woakes and Sam Curran at the Airport, ahh.

[@mrduckspeak]

If you fail to prepare (properly) then you'd better prepare to fail.

[@J92-DS]

England need to play atleast 3-5 warm up games before and during the ashes otherwise they won’t have a chance

[@christianfrost8660]

I miss Sam Curran. ECB is killing swing bowlers.

[@martinradcliffe4798]

No-one prepares properly for tours now. It's why so few teams win away.

[@lfc8949]

Was this made before the Pakistan Bangladesh series

[@edmundzimmatore9324]

It''s a myth, we are not any worse than most other teams away. We have the 3rd best win percentage away.

[@shivssaini111]

Outside ENG English bowlers are just below average and the technique of their betters are not up to mark to win overseas

[@bigmofarah9084]

When did India last win a series in England and when did England last win a series in India? Please tell me how many series England have won in Australia and how many India have won? Please tell me about when India won a Test series in South Africa or Pakistan.

[@nivedhansenthilkumar964]

I actually don't remember a time in the near past where Ind ia toured Pakistan

[@Kk-r3x]

Simple , they are not good enough 😅

[@farmansiddiqui9279]

Jarrod’s got a good taste in sneakers

[@tricksbyumer]

Best combo of a Offsipn & a left armer.. ummmm.. murali & chaminda vaas by any chance?👀

[@thefazzylogic]

other contenders Zaheer and Harbhajan .. Wasim and Saqlain ..

[@kartikgoel07]

Love David Lloyd

[@bigmofarah9084]

Have they always been bad on tour? Compared to who? Our record in WI is pretty damn poor so I won't defend that but when did India or Australia last win a Test series in England and when did England last win in those countries? India have never won in South Africa. How do Aus do in Sri Lanka? India don't even tour Pak. How many series have Aus won in Pak? Touring is hard in cricket.

[@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew]

But I think Aus tours very well,They win in SA,hammerZ NZ both home and away all the time and even does pretty well in eng too drawing the series 2/2 in both 2019 and 2023.Aus are pretty poor in Indian conditions nowadays

[@nuhashahmed7692]

Both India and Aus have been very competitive in England in recent tours. It would seem to me they could very well win in their next tour. Can't say the same England travels the other way around though

[@pushkeypushak]

What is Jarrod Kimber smoking? The best pair of left arm seamer and off spinner was murali and Vaas. And he thinks no one other than starc and Lyon??? Lol, 😅

[@AjayJaat94612]

Abey jaldi bol kal subah panvel nikalna hai

[@hariommmm..]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 bilkul..ye dark blue shirt khud ko bohot smart samaj ta hai

[@tomcolley9008]

What about Vaas and Murali?

[@imranlion1996]

Why England don't have a good left arm pacer in tests?

[@JoshF848]

They haven't traditionally wanted them, and they still don't unless you're also tall and 90mph+. Sam Curran still gets ignored and they never gave Plunkett a proper go even when he was doing well in ODIs

[@isaacnewton3514]

It’s not that England are poor away, it’s that home advantage is far too great for all sides

[@rahulsinha623]

As per hospitality is concern no one can beat Pakistan as they gift you the test series that's too by getting cleansweep,this time too if no rain interruption England will win series 3-0.👍

[@Prabhaas-ql3zy62]

hometrack bullies england

[@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew]

When did India won a series in SA When did India won a series in NZ that was back in 2009 and even in Eng they won in 2007,Eng tours better than India but India still struggles badly in overseas,Don't bring two fluke test series win in Australia all the time

[@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew]

Even in your home,The pitches are absolutely third class,Test matches in Eng and Aus looks very good to watch,Dustbowls in India are disgraceful to our lovely game of test cricket 🏏

[@Prabhaas-ql3zy62]

@@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew nobody plays home tests to impress you 🤣🤣🤣india plays home tests to win with their strength and make rank Turners dustbowls. We are happy doing that and getting world test championship points to reach the final. Minnow basher root couldn't score more runs than Shubman gill in ind vs eng series 🤣🤣india is saving test cricket and humanity by destroying home track bullies England

[@Prabhaas-ql3zy62]

@@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew australia>>>minnows south africa and newzealand 🤣🤣🤣 winning 2 consecutive test series in Australia is no fluke but pure talent and it will happen this time as well. England got raped in Australia each and every time 🤣🤣joe root can't win a single test in Australia and has 0 hundreds 🤣🤣south africa and newzealand are nobody in international cricket. Australia are the best team in the world and india have beaten them twice

[@Prabhaas-ql3zy62]

@@SunilPokhrel-wo9ew india leveled series 2-2 in 2022 in England. After that 2012 series England toured india thrice and got butchered every single time 🤣🤣🤣india won atleast one test in England in those 3 tours 2014 2018 2022. England were thrashed 4-0 in 2016 and joe root is shamelessly alive even after that

[@stoicpoker94]

Australia haven’t won in England in over 20 years either

[@anm0l9]

But they haven't lost in England for almost 10 years either. 😅

[@hariommmm..]

@@anm0l9 what about pakistan guys.

[@Riuytfhjklf4634]

They haven't lost for a decade too, ashes is intresting wen Aussie visit England, wen Eng visits aus, it's embarassing🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AdityaKumar-pb2bd]

Difference is the margin of losses. England often gets clean sweeped in Australia 😅

[@snehalkhatri9357]

Don't compare Eng with Aus, Aus is the best team for a long time

[@bigfan2710]

Yes to Jordan Clark!

[@alwaysram39]

I live in the UK and irony is no one is actually interested in England cricket here except for this channel 😁

[@HarryPratt22]

yeah man, zombies and ghosts are filling seats at The Oval.

[@frankford1115]

This is punditry. Miles better than football. Kimber is excellent.