Tamoanchan: The Lost Cradle of Mesoamerican Civilizations

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[@hamzaalmdghri8741]

These civilizations are arrogant and oppressive

[@pat8988]

Thirteen minutes and not even one map to show us where the hell this place is located.

[@flamencoprof]

The sheer depth and complexity of the history of native Americans is something I have only become aware of in the last few years, not from attending a University, but by paying attention to channels such as this on KZbin. At around 70yo, when younger I used to think I had been reasonably well educated about history, but the older I get the more I realise what I was taught was incomplete, even plain wrong, and that a lot has been found out since. I knew this even by my Fifties, but the stuff presented these days has been a real .revelation. Thanks.

[@panzerswineflu]

Internet has been a blessing and a curse

[@heathenwizard]

I'm utterly stunned and thrilled - the classic DnD adventure "Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan" is actually based on an actual mythical place in Nahua lore? So cool!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Right! Thanks for watching!

[@russellmillar7132]

Thanks for this, man. The mesoAmerican civilizations with their art, science, architecture, literature etc. rank favorably with ancient civilizations the world over.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Most welcome Russell! Thanks for watching!

[@lo-fihi-ki5699]

r.i.p nick we miss you!!!! rock on DW!!! much love

[@Bogey1022]

I had never heard of this. Very interesting. I'm also getting a lot out of these American civilizations videos

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

This was an interesting read for me as well! Thanks for watching!

[@savvygood]

This is a great educational video for my children who are still home due to Covid.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

This is what I love to hear! Thank you for your comment and for watching. Humbled and honored that you consider this fit and good for your children!

[@fidanasimpson5465]

Thanks for your helpful channel. I am interested in archeology and history and channels like your own is renewing my appreciation for history.

[@jimilindley4422]

I was aware of the lore of the city, but never heard of this physical site before. It be cool to plot all of the known cyclopic sites in the Americas on a map, just to see what correlations could be drawn. Really enjoying your videos.

[@twonumber22]

Graham Hancock: "don't mind if I do" 😎

[@jimilindley4422]

@@twonumber22 lol 🤣

[@ericknight5014]

Maps are always helpful.

[@ernestoa.jimenez3206]

I was not aware of this site. Thank you for this content.

[@barbaralucas1220]

Thank you so very much for this! So interesting

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Great Content! Use a beach towel to knock that echo audio.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Appreciate the comment and advice!

[@athopi]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 And a faster teleprompter and a pre-read or two so you don't sound like you are on prozac.

[@johnsamu]

It shows again how much we do NOT know about our past. Past civilizations might have been much more capable than they are given credit for.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Agreed! Thanks for watching!

[@christianmyhre7154]

Good video

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching!

[@SpicusMojificus]

I tried looking up Tamoachan and found nothing online about it. Just mentions of some D&D campaign. I took a class in Mesoamerican art, seen a ton of documentaries on Mesoamerica and own several books on Mesoamerica and this is there first time I ever heard the name Tamoachan. I'm familiar with Aztlan being the what the Aztecs called their homeland. Tamoachan doesn't even sound like a Nahuatl word, 'coatl' is the Nahuatl word for serpent or snake. Do you have any sources or books on Tamoachan that you could point to?

[@buzzardscry1383]

Sounds Mayan

[@ErnestoAyala-mk7fo]

it does not sound Maya, it is clearly Nahuatl@@buzzardscry1383

[@arturosolis755]

Tamoanchan es más antiguo que la lengua náhuatl. Es proto- nahua. Por eso no la habías escuchado. Y es una palabra para simbolizar el origen. Pero no origen físico si no algo más profundo. El árbol con la rama cortada es como el árbol de la cabala judio. Se refiere a un origen espiritual

[@keepmoving1185]

Beautiful editing, and writing

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thank you so much for watching and commenting!

[@alexthemole2987]

But bad pronunciation

[@kuzter1737]

Very good topic and video!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching and for commenting your support!

[@jamesensle1312]

Whoa, that's wild. That would be pretty cool if there really are tunnels connecting everything.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Right! That would be the find of the decade (or two.)

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[@RemusKingOfRome]

Excellent

[@5thdimensionexplained376]

Very very very interesting

[@MrZekinhaluiz]

One of the best

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Appreciate it dear junior! Thanks for watching!

[@kaisahfx1246]

awesome

[@TheDeadlyDan]

They came from the sea. They came to this land to rule over it. Led by thier priests, they came to "a fountain ... in which they saw a goddess and which they called chalchiuhmatlalatl ("blue-green waters of chalchihuite ...") on a small hill next to Iztactepetl and Popocatepetl. ... Tamoanchan Chalchiuhmomozco was so sacred that no one could defecate there. The settlers had to travel four leagues to relieve themselves at a place called Cuitlatepec, or Cuitlatetelco, but, since they were great magicians, they flew there." I still say that our specie has always lived near the sea shore or along rivers, anywhere there is water in abundance. We didn't 'discover' watercraft, we've always used them. Using water as a means of transportation and exploration has been with us from "the beginning", exactly like trade and construction. Those are hallmarks of our specie. We didn't evolve then select an environment, but quite the reverse. We've been a global specie as long as we've been around, and the more closely we look the more we find that says this. Specie naturally expand range in an east/west direction prior to moving north or south. We evolved in an Afro-Asian Island world and circled the globe prior to moving north into Asia and Europe and North America. Just my humble opinion of course. A good amount of recent findings support those ideas, however. Thanks for this look. I especially appreciate looking first at our very earliest investigations from the Spanish and Portugese. They often have information that has long since vanished. Looking forward to more on "the new world". Excellent presentation.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I couldn’t agree with you more and your points are spot on. Thanks for watching!

[@buzzardscry1383]

You throw the word afro in there and the crazies come out of the woodwork saying Africans are the real natives to this continent. Please be careful.

[@Jorge-cf6xk]

I know that the Nahuatl words are hard to say but they usually follow Spanish phonics. I enjoyed the videography but the pronunciation of both languages needed to be more clear so that one can look up these places. Next time please seek assistance to make this experience better. Thumbs up. Looking forward to more.

[@robertallen4774]

When you say "The earliest historical traditions locate Tamoanchan far from the coast, in the province of Cuauhnahuac near present-day Cuernavaca" I'd like to see the source. Tamoanchan is now generally identified as a mythical place. The archaeology cited in the video seems to be all very early. In fact Cuauhnahuac settlement is now dated about 1000 BCE but the ruins those early archaeologists saw are much later, under the influence of Tlahuica settlers in the Early Aztec period (AD 1100-1350 CE) The video is more appealing mythology than hard science

[@leawilliams8476]

Nice video with a broader overview cinematically but we know that the origins of the DNA mix with the serpent people were from sumeria central Asia.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching!

[@deezkemet31]

Love the vid... I always thought the Olmecs was the very first indigenous people of this land🤔🤔🤔

[@chuckyfire8439]

👏🤔

[@AntzLoks1314]

Antz-that-crawls-on-the-ground ~ El_Choctaw_lord_de_Mexico_y_Aztlan

[@ANTSEMUT1]

Any particular reason for using that picture of ancient sailors to represent their maritime origin story.

[@maxdaly8185]

The people from the sea might have been the Chinese and Polynesian.

[@deepblack67]

Interesting that they say they came by water and serpent worship and both being connected to Quatzlcoatal. I really can't help think that this has influence from outside and connections to the story of Indus Peoples traveling via North Africa and then to MesoAmerica.

[@buzzardscry1383]

🛑 stop the Pseudo fuckery. No proof of that. They probably came down or up the coast from the same continent. Be careful that thinking erases real native history.

[@rustydogrustydog9191]

Yeah , we get it. This is your second comment . Absolutely no evidence of anything remotely tied to the Indus Valley .

[@rustydogrustydog9191]

@Andrew No Chinese connection either culture vulture.

[@teresafernandez9849]

There are several ancient human fossils of the Americas first inhabitants, They looked for it, but none have Afro DNA, NONE! ALL ancient ppl leave footprints, where are yours? No DNA, no written or oral history or language, no tribe, no spiritual connection to other tribes. Food is culture, we still eat exactly like our ancestors. Corn, tortilla, squash, peppers, beans, avacado, cactus, cactus dishes, cactus fruit, the tamale has been around since forever. These r foods and crops of the Americas. Blacks r stuck on things like Mac and cheese and bbq ribs. The discovery of the Denivosons is very significant. There is no Denisovan DNA in Africa or next to none. The Aboriginals of Australia r NOT from Africa, niether r the Negritos from the Philippines. It seems that the features that ppl think r unique to Black Africans, r not. Diet and environment can dictate ur physical appearance, including hair texture and skin color. It was probably that way on every continent. Same DNA but looked different depending on where they lived and diet. The Aboriginals of Australia carry Denovisan DNA, so do the Natives of the Americas, and the Natives of New Zealand and Oceana. The Negritos from the Philippines carry more than others. Some carry more than others, but they carry it in a very convincing pattern. This DNA, is definitely from Asia, and it's missing from the so called cradle of humanity. Out of Africa is a theory, not a scientific fact. This theory has been hit hard since DNA and new dating techniques. Some good scientists don't buy it anymore. Seems like there was a migration out of Asia or evolution happened symostainiously all over the world, which is making more sense than any other theory.

[@AmericanKash]

TimoanKHan maybe that’ll help you pronounce that

[@xoltocrojas2028]

Just like they said they came from the Ocean not the bering strait, not to say some mongoloid groups didnt cross thru the bering srait. They probably came from the sea peoples like the Phoenicians and also some Polynesian as well. Just look ar the Philistines and the Toltec similarities.

[@teresafernandez9849]

We came by land AND sea, we were also explorers. Every continent was intelligent, curious and adventures. There were great cultures formed all over the world. To bad a cult from USA of black culture vultures, can't respect that, they can spin it all they want, spin it till ur dizzy, no amount of culture vultures BS will change genetics.

[@avilacanario]

No disrespect, but in your ad for Ancient Origins, I think you should say, "you and me" instead of "me and you." I keep thinking it would sound so much better. Again, I mean no disrespect. I have been hear for way to long.

[@deepquake9]

Cuer na va ca? Please at least try to pronounce the nouns properly. Thanks for the video tho

[@deepblack67]

Here is a fringe episode for you - follow the story, true or false, of the Indus cult group that leaves and travels through the Mediterranean and N. Africa, on to MesoAmerica, down with many stops to Peru, on to Easter Island, and then finishing in New Zealand. There is a fascinating trail and not just Hyerdahl seeing it. Who knows?

[@rustydogrustydog9191]

I think this is a real history channel not pseudo science fantasy.

[@suzettehenderson9278]

Maps would have helped.

[@jonerlandson1956]

*do you think?* ... there are people in this world?... who don't have souls?... you know... like a ghoul?... robbing graves.. robbing.. history...

[@Weyitlakatzin]

The terrible pronunciation of Spanish and Nahuatl words actually hurts the ears.

[@keepmoving1185]

Two words cuerva vaca. As in Spanish for cow. Drove me nuts you didn’t research this.

[@alexthemole2987]

Keep Moving: 'Cuernavaca' was the best the Spaniards could approximate the Nahuatl word for the place, 'Cuauhnahuac'. I don't remember the exact meaning attributed to this name, but it was something much prettier & loco-centric than 'cow's horn'. It was quite a while ago -> 1976 -- that I attended the immersive language school Cuauhnahuac, Instituto Colectivo de Lengua y Cultura, A.C., located in Cuernavaca, Morelos.

[@Billthebaker420]

The powers that be don't want us to know the truth about our history... Among other things.

[@nunyabidniz2868]

The bizarre pronunciation of Cuernavaca is insanely distracting! 🤣

[@michaelbailot5479]

I really enjoyed this production. However, I cringed everyone Cuernavaca was mispronounced. Cuernavaca (Spanish pronunciation: [kweɾnaˈβaka]