Flasher and Fly Fishing Secrets, Tips and Tactics for King Salmon and Beyond

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[@tangledtacklefishing]

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[@todde269]

This fundamental series is fantastic! I fished Lake Michigan with my friend’s dad as a kid… he did all the know how. Now I’m 53 and learning how to do this on my own boat. This series sure helps a rookie strategize! Man I love that lake!

[@alanmadison225]

Thanks for all the advice! Just getting into salmon fishing and I really appreciate all the great knowledge you are passing on.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thank you for the nice comment and you’re absolutely welcome.

[@tdew1967]

Great videos guys. Can’t wait to get on the water this season. Keep it up. 👍🏼

[@tangledtacklefishing]

We absolutely appreciate it. Thanks for the nice comment.

[@doehunter36]

Great live tonight, working on learning to salmon& trout fish ,thanks for all the help

[@carlitosjr2388]

Thanks for sharing ...just getting started with trolling and this really help me out

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks for the nice comment and for watching and commenting.

[@muttdog25]

As usual great info, thanks

[@tangledtacklefishing]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.

[@broncobill1204]

Coho are hot right now outta Chicago. Get out and put these tips to use. Thanks Chris for all you do to grow the sport and help all of us new guys. Good luck this season.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks UB. We’re thankful to you and everyone else for watching. We’re always happy to help. Nice job on the Coho my friend.

[@ajward5789]

Your video series has been perfect for me as I am just getting into Lake Michigan fishing. Most videos don't show details and often those are what Im looking for. Simple things like which knot to use is very, very helpful. Thanks! And thanks for the sub shout out. Caught me off guard.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks for the nice comments AJ, and we’re glad you liked the shout out. Our way of saying thanks to everyone who subs. And to help people out that’s exactly why we are starting off with basic videos. Once we have the basics covered we’ll move into more intermediate and advanced tactics on the water.

[@ajward5789]

@@tangledtacklefishing Very timely. I just bought a bunch of flies and though "surely I can use a loop or swivel to attach to dodger." Thanks again, and good luck out there!

[@martiealbert6895]

Grear to be a reader and viewer. Compliments and best wishes from Cape Town, South Africa.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

It’s the basics that some forget about.. nice job

[@tangledtacklefishing]

What’s up Buckin? Good to see the old wood man around. Talk to you soon.

[@TeamJesusOutdoors]

Another great how to vid!

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thank you.

[@bradshelton1478]

Great video. My go to is uv crush flasher with a blue bubble uv/aqua tint/extreme uv (from purple taco) tied fly. I do my hook setup a little different I will run the treble up front with a 2/0 gam octopus hook as a trailer. for leader length i usually start with double the length of flasher and adjust from there as the fish want it. Protroll makes great flashers as well have had lots of luck on them

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great comment. ProTroll does make good flashers. I didn’t have any on hand to show. Thanks for watching and commenting! 👍

[@aceconcord1718]

I'm really appreatiated your help! If you can repeat please how and when to use Spoons or Fly's, also on Downriggers or Deepsey ? Thank you again.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Way too much info to cover in a comment. Just go back and watch the videos. And then get out there and experiment. That's the best teacher.

[@marvinblackburn6951]

I live on west coast I like what you r teaching but 5 dollars a month I sorry not rich and famous you r great at what you teaching me thank you

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Completely understand. Subscribing is always free.

[@Salinehornet99]

Great video, my buddy and I will be fishing out of Holland this spring/summer as newbies so these videos are super helpful. A question I have is do you run dodgers fishing out of Manistee at all or stick to a full rotating flasher/spin doctor? Also, I would love to see a video explaining high versus low divers and how you keep the high divers out of your coppers! Keep up the good work!

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great question. We run dodgers for Lake Trout but rarely for Salmon. They are super producers for the trout. The high diver/low diver video is on our list for this summer. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@sinfulbeliever7083]

Thanks. This was exactly what I was looking for just to get started. It is a bit overwhelming cause there are so much to chose from. It'll be nice to know what your favorite flasher and lures/bait combos are at particular seasons.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Glad it was helpful!

[@timkelley5755]

Future ideas would be to talk about small boat setups and large boat setups what I mean is how many of each rod and where. Downrigger,dipsy, etcetera. Also what you run and how on your first few trips of the yr

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great comment. We are working on those ideas and wi be gong to Big Jon Sports soon to discuss those topics. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@Xtremesportfishingcharters]

Great video thank you, question. How much lead would you send out before attaching to the release clip of the cannon ball.

[@spkynk]

Great video. Doing some re education before i hit the water. I have hit all 4 species on green pro troll with gold foil matched with darker green flies. That gold foil really mimics the color of a rolling fish.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

NikoliVodka we’re guilty of binge watching too. Especially during the winter months.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks for watching and enjoy. Leave a comment below telling us about your best flasher/fly set ups and help us grow this fishing community dedicated to help everyone learn more about fishing for King Salmon and Trout in the Great Lakes, Pacific Northwest and all points around and in-between.

[@adamwalters4969]

What brand are the 2 fish shaped flashers?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

OKI Tackle Kingfishers.

[@bink1916]

I fish Lake Erie mainly for walleye but lately steelhead have been showing up just using dipseys and spoons. I was thinking about adding some flashers and flys to my arsenal of tackle. Do you have any flasher fly combos that stick out for steelhead?

[@Brandon-zz2rm]

Great video and great series learning a lot watching your videos. Would you recommend tournament rigging your flies, or just rigging them as is out of the package like you did in this video?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

I only tournament tie about 20% of my rigs. The standard way works well but use quality hooks.

[@Noidea242]

Hi new to your channel just subscribed. I fish out of the north shore of Ontario. I do a lot of catch and release and have found that trebles tear up the fish I have gone to siwash hooks and I crush the barb. I never lose fish even on the cheater and do a lot less damage to the fish..... just a thought underwater video of your setups to show the action would make it real. Great informative videos thanks for the effort

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks Scott. We will see what we can do.

[@andrewharvey3699]

Another superb video. Do you ever use the farther back hole on the front of the flasher? What would that do? Smaller rotation? Thanks for the details.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks Andrew for the nice comment. We don’t use the rearward setting, but you’re right. It gives the Spin Doctor a different rotation. Thanks for the great question.

[@davegoodwin1848]

Hi!! Just found your channel and thank you!!! Actually it is my 10 year old son that found it and your vids/advice are fantastic. I have always fished for fun and he always came with me. Something happened this spring where he got into and became serious it I've never seen anyone do. He watches vids nonstop and wants to fish every day. He now outfishes the pants off everyone I know including myself and can land smallies, largemouth, perch, and trout in streams no matter the weather, location, time of day, cold fronts...he's become amazing. Learning like a little sponge. Anyway...he now wants to move on from "small fish" lol and on to Salmon, lakers, and even sturgeon. We live minutes from certain finger lakes and are hoping to get some salmon and lakers in the upcoming weeks this October/November. Any advice would be awesome and he (Orlando) would be thrilled getting it. Thanks for all you do!

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Congratulations to your son for digesting the knowledge and putting it to great use. And congratulations to you for supporting him. Without knowing where you fish or the techniques used there it would be wrong for me to try to give advice for your area. But I would recommend taking a charter in your area if possible and ask as many questions as possible. Then just get out there and go after it. The best teacher is experience. Thanks for watching the videos and congratulate Orlando for me for becoming such a prominent angler.

[@steveallen4745]

Chris, been following you this last fall. I live and fish on the Oregon coast out of Newport. My plan is try some of the your gear and tactics here on the Pacific. We can only use two single barbless hooks. We also use hoochies as to fly's Thanks for the information

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Good luck and keep me posted.

[@dirtyhands8379]

At 18:58 you mentioned the hole by fins provides more action. Dreamweaver states the hole by fin to be on inside of rotation and provide less action. I just noticed the discrepancy and wasn’t sure if you accidentally misspoke. I’m a subscriber and appreciate the detailed information on all videos, definitely one of the most informative channels on you tube, thanks

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Mistake on my part. I must have got lost in the dialogue and made a mental error. The fins are on the inside of the rotation so it has slightly less action on that setting. Good catch.

[@jeffenglishsetter8339]

Great work. Still hoping to get the old DeepV17 out if Manistee has a calm day. What’s a good setup for browns and spring salmon out of Manistee?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Long mono lines with floating Rapalas and Brad’s Thin Fins on planer boards trolling the shoreline. Good colors are gold, silver, orange and fire tiger just to name a few. Also Dreamweaver SS spoons with gold and copper backs work well. Zig zag along the second and third sand bars. Try to find pockets of warmer water and target them. Go get em’.

[@iggy0978]

Thanks so much for this. Going to fish the finger lakes for lake trout and landlocked salmon. Would you recommend a 6 or 8” dream weaver for those fish? Boat is a bit too small for Lake Ontario where the kings are right now

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Dan sorry fit the late reply. I try to answer every comment but every now and then one slips through. I think the six inch version would be better suited fit those conditions. I hope you had a great trip.

[@Hot-Pursuit]

Hi Chris. As a 2nd year guy I love learning from your videos. Thanks for doing them. I noticed in this video that Dreamweaver flies are pretty straight. By that I mean they tie the "umbrella" affect out of the fly. Most other flies they poof out more. Do you think that one way is better than the other, or is that what makes it unique? I would assume it give it a different action. Little things make the difference, so I figured I'd ask. Thanks, Adam

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Big-NastyTackle Adam thanks for the question. In the air without any resistance you’re right, some flies look like they would be a larger bait. However, once you put them in the water they all pretty much look the same (slicked back). It’s actually the rotator that provides the action for the fly. Jim

[@oldpisces49]

WOW!!!!

[@kentuuri8272]

Thxs for the video👌🏻 I troll north shore of Lake Superior for salmon. I have couple questions do you use flasher fly combos in your spread all year? I find end of July August better for flasher fly combo’s. If you do use them all year do you recommend smaller flashers in spring and larger later on. I tend to only use 8” flashers all year. Are larger flashers better in low light? I like to tie swivels on the end of my flies I am afraid of loops breaking. Thxs for your thoughts and observations 🎣🐟

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great questions. We do run them all year, but if they’re not producing we will pull them. Smaller offerings are great in the early season along with bright vibrant colors. Bigger flashers or paddles do produce well in low light or deep conditions, but not every day. And I’ve never had a loop break in over twenty years of salmon fishing. They are that durable. Thanks for the great comments and questions.

[@jasonpalladino7895]

On a recent trip I was running the 10" DW Spin Doctor. The line twist snapped off my DW SD with Fly. Any thoughts? It was on my Dipsy rod with a good swivel.

[@rthurman9065]

Good job, you hit all the basics. Out here on the left edge, we substitute hoochies for fly's same basic rigging... sort of. Instead of a loop, use a clip to attach the leader to the flasher. I use some sort of cross lock snap or McMahon. Leader lengths typically 2 1/2 times the flasher length for paddle types for a start. Spin doctors are different so the 3 times get you the same results I would think. The sport fleet here uses this set up for coho. Use the same basics recipe for dodgers as well although try 2 times or less on the dodgers for coho. Up your game a bit and rig tournament style. Put a gumdrop of herring, or whatever you use for bait back there on the front hook. You will not ever see a hoochie go out without a gumdrop on the left edge. Well, basically anything we use without scent. Dreamweaver needs to put the ball bearing swivels on both ends. I was shocked to see crane swivels on the back end. I change them out first thing. BTW chinook season opened early offshore here, March 15. We get to catch Californias fish off Oregon. Too bad the ocean will not be calm enough to get out for about another week at least. Combined waves heights 6'+ will keep me at home.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great comment, and thanks for sharing. We definitely do some similar things when comparing the PNW and the Great Lakes. Be careful out on that big ocean my friend. A fish is never worth risking your safety over. I've no doubt you feel the same.

[@rthurman9065]

Just for kicks check this out. www.weather.gov/pqr/barcams Tabs at the top, Depoe to Umpqua is where I go.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

R Thurman be safe. That’s some big conditions.

[@cameronchisholm7192]

Thanks for a very informative video. I get confused on the Doctor Flashers because if you read the package between the 8 inch and the 10 inch it calls for a different hole for more action and less action. could you straighten me out on this Thank you tight lines!

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great question. We always run our Spin Doctors the same way. On the front where you attach the swivel we always go with the furthest forward hole. And on the tail we use the hole closest to the fins. Hope this helps and good luck.

[@bobjohnson7207]

Wow that was the best Hoochies insert I've ever seen. The paddle style Hot Spot where developed by Jack Gaunt for fishing Hoochies. The entire west coast trollers switched up from the old Abe&Al's. Back in the 70s. Okies areas good as Hot Spots. Longer leaders and go fast for coho Don to 22" for slow coho. Go up to 44" or so for Springs 27 1/2 is the ultimate one length and not look back . Again big 4/0 5/0 siwash Mustafa ll bent up in out in like a square ish sickle. Just sail right past everyone cut into point slow down as you were like racing Hoochies The gear will drop in and and the big speed change will make them bite your gear. Those hooks with the eagle beak hook tip that you bend in need a few rubs from the hook file faster than a stone.There called Flashers and I'm jealous of your world record Coho. Man we give you the fish and ya took our record. It's all good. Catching fish on lures is so much fun. I caught a 25lb. Coho on that pokadoted one but a pP4A Wobbler Square thing by its self Shollow. Thight lines.

[@jasondestun3199]

What bead size do you use on those flies and you put beads under the Hoochie body to what’s your shortest and longest lead do your fly or a Hoochie body to the flasher

[@rayg3074]

two thumbs up

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thanks Ray. That’s good to hear.

[@kurtjohnson6890]

You should add that once you pick a leader length to run you should stick to that length and not be changing. Adjust boat speed to get more or less action out of your fly. I personally run 28" leaders and will adjust my speed higher or lower to change action.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great comment. I didn’t want to get too in depth as I wanted to keep this as basic as possible. But those are certainly great tactics.

[@jasondestun3199]

What bead size do you put on those flies and you put them on Hoochie bodies

[@keithberend3860]

What length leader and set up do you use between the diver and the spin doctor?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Roughly 18 feet for kings.

[@leems1976jl]

Do you guys ever run Lyman plugs original painted eyes?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

I have not.

[@mkhunter2222]

Sorry if you already answered it but do you measure the length from the swivel ring to the bottom of the hook? Or the hole in the spin doctor to the nose of the fly?.....also side question how long of leads do you use on your dispys?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Great questions. My measurements are from the bottom of the hook to the top of the leader. My dipsy leads are roughly eighteen feet. Thanks for watching the videos.

[@mkhunter2222]

Thank you for doing the videos!.... you run 18 feet on both high and low divers?....see ya on the water!!

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Mike Koz yes. Both divers are 18 feet.

[@megamike4357]

What is the best time of year to use flasher/flies? Spring, and summer?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

All of the above.

[@davidlapointjr.9194]

Hi Chris, do you guys carry a Moonshine fly with the glow spinners on them?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Yes sir. There are some in the shop.

[@davidlapointjr.9194]

@@tangledtacklefishing Ok. Thx.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Dave I Don’t know where you were located, but if you need some and can’t get them we can ship them to you.

[@davidlapointjr.9194]

@@tangledtacklefishing I'm right here in manistee. I'm actually pretty close to shop. I'll stop in soon.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

I could still ship them. 😆 I hope to see you in the shop sometime.

[@todde269]

Are those leader length guidelines the same for spoons?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Spoons require longer leads.

[@todde269]

@@tangledtacklefishing I found your spoon video after posting my question.... boy don't I feel like a red-tailed Louis!! 😆

[@darryldekeyser]

So are the forums that say the threads of the fly face down towards the hook all the time wrong?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

I wouldn’t say they’re wrong. I’m just telling you the way that I do it and have success with it. If other people do it the opposite way and they have success there’s nothing wrong with that either. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer here as long as it’s producing.

[@steelyshawn68pdx51]

What length of flasher leader do you typically run between a dipsy diver and spin doctor?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

SteelyShawn68 PDX 10-20’.

[@steelyshawn68pdx51]

@@tangledtacklefishing including snubbers length or in addition to? BTW...thanks for the reply and all the informative and great vids😎

[@tangledtacklefishing]

SteelyShawn68 PDX in addition to the snubber. Thanks for the reply, we are happy to hear you’re getting something out of them!

[@amandahilliard9706]

Hello, I am confused on how to properly setup a Dreamweaver fly. I have seen some people place the fly so red thread is pointed outwards and the skirt lays flat but then I have seen the opposite where the red thread is against the hook and the skirt is inverter. What way is right?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Thread toward the hook.

[@steveg2509]

May I suggest Howie's Tackle in Sturgeon Bay, WI for hand tied flies

[@tangledtacklefishing]

Good flies. I’m a KRW and Dreamweaver fly guy but it’s good to have a wide selection.

[@davidristau6724]

611 great show

[@tjk6277]

Can someone explain high and low divers & how to keep them running tangle free. On Lake Erie, my buddies and I always referred to dipseys as inside and outside divers. The inside, set at zero or one and the outside, usually a longer rod, set on 3. Hope someone can clear things up for me. Thanks

[@tangledtacklefishing]

We have a video on this very topic.

[@tjk6277]

So essentially the low diver would be the inside dipsy, set on a zero or one on a shorter rod. The high diver, would be in the forward rod holder, set on a three, and typically a longer rod. Thanks

[@tangledtacklefishing]

You got it my friend.

[@tangledtacklefishing]

tjk6277 yes. 1 on the lows is recommended over 0. 👍🏻

[@milkman2591]

I'm dying to try this in Ontario this fall

[@milkman2591]

Just out of curiosity do you think this is a good tactic to use this time of year there? I'm in the sacandaga region and looking to get further from home.

[@lauramary4646]

Hi

[@scottbeck9186]

exactly same way we fish flies except my fly or your fly is backwards lol

[@blandry021]

How far behind a cannonball should the flasher/SpinDr be?

[@tangledtacklefishing]

15-25 feet is a good rule of thumb. If you're shallow you can try sneaking it back further, but be wary of tangles.