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@ihatecabbage72708 ай бұрын
Kinda weird that a documentary about tanks, Wargaming.Net's World of Warships are you major sponsor. Hey I am happy, already playing.
@DIREWOLFx758 ай бұрын
Of course the L3 wasn't a piece of junk. It was a tankette. And if you look at WWII and even much later, vehicles with similar designs were very useful in many ways, but NOT as primary combat vehicles in tank formations. They could have been remodelled into something similar to the universal carrier. They could have been used as support for actual tanks. They could have been used as rapid mobility MG support similar to how Germany employed some of its motorcycles with MG on the sidecar. Etc...
@XIIItan8 ай бұрын
As a designer, I can state very clearly that the L3 tank is the pinnacle for me in terms of design. Please note that this tank was designed in the early 30s. It is a tankette that is very cheap to produce, uses limited resources well, is fast, agile and provides fire support to infantry. It is mainly designed for mountainous regions. However, it did its job very well in the colonies against rebels or against small countries. It showed great export success at that time. It has been exported to many countries. It is undoubtedly not a weapon you would use against a country that has adequate anti-tank weapons. It is not a weapon to be used in tank warfare, especially against the big tanks of that country.
@chrisriverata19178 ай бұрын
With how quickly it got out classed by even machine gun fire and how limited the Italian industry was I don't know chief; the French were probably taking the win for the pinnacle of what early light tanks should be in the 30's. The L3's were just too lightly armored and underpowered/cheap for them to withstand the evolving climate of warfare and were mediocre at best.
@phoenix2112458 ай бұрын
You can say that about the Soviet t26 or bt5, which absolutely destroy the vehicle, and were also built in the 30's. Heck, a panzer 2 would do the same, also built in the 30's. The japanese had a tank that would demolish it also, ha-something, but also built in the 30's. Frankly, the initial Italian "tank" was just an upgraded copy of the British bren carrier.
@XIIItan8 ай бұрын
@@phoenix211245 What you say is true and there are propositions that I agree with, so I would like to share a few brief notes just to contribute to the conversation. Combat is a whole and the L3 is not a vehicle designed for tank to tank combat, as it does not have a cannon anyway. It has dual machine guns. Although games such as War Thunder and WOT made great contributions to the subject, they spread the misconception that war is only an event between tanks. Tanks are not something you see very often, especially in a battle in the 30s, and they were used en masse later on, with the establishment of armored divisions. For example, there are no tanks in German infantry divisions. You can use L3 in a mountainous area. You might use it in a forest which is not dense. You cannot use the tanks you listed. You are comparing BT-5 with L3, what you need to do is compare 1 BT-5 with 4 L3s. Imagine planning to attack an infantry-held position in rugged terrain. Do you want 4 L3s or 1 BT-5? I prefer the first one.
@phoenix2112457 ай бұрын
@@XIIItan Yes, the L3's were made for mountain combat on the border between France and Italy. And, unfortunately for the Italians, if you compare OPERATIONAL numbers, there would be 3 bt5's for every L3. And that is counting that 3/4 of soviets armor in 1942 was not operational. If you have a choice between a paper target with two machine guns, or 3 paper targets with a machine gun and a cannon that can shoot HE rounds, and can also go faster.... My choice is on the BT5. The L3 was actually worse than the polish tankettes, and only a step above the bren gun carrier. And no one calls the bren a "tank"
@phoenix2112457 ай бұрын
@@XIIItan Oh, and yes, the majority of combat tanks saw was NOT against other tanks. Still, every single nation in WW2, and every single one since that time found that you need something above a 20mm caliber at the very least on your IFV. With the exclusion of a few dedicated missile platforms anything qualifying as a tank needs an even heavier caliber. The L3 is frankly closer to the German half truck, both are equally armored, both have mounted machine guns, but the germans can also carry a squad of infantry, therefore, are a superior option.
@user_____M8 ай бұрын
The Italians knew their industrial power and armour wasn't good enough but yoloed regardless hoping the war would be won fast by Germany.
@aleale62778 ай бұрын
Mussolini gambled with the future of a nation and the lives of millions even if his advisors were strongly against it. This shows how bad dictatorships are.
@muricafreedom578 ай бұрын
Finally some Gen X with word "YOLOed",
@dickylegita62117 ай бұрын
It's a well known fact that Italy thought the war is going to be somewhere in early 1940s when they signed the pact of steel with Germany, they never realized that Germany gonna start the whole thing too early
@Kruppt8087 ай бұрын
The Italians were getting ready for war in 1961 I read somewhere. Hitler just jumped the 🔫 by a few years. 😅
@samlosco84417 ай бұрын
Not sure how true it is, but I read that the Italians thought the optimal time for war would be around 1942, but they joined in 1940 because it looked like Germany was about to win and gain all the spoils.
@GamStr-xq3vc8 ай бұрын
>Most successful armoured assault by fascist Italy >tanks dont do anything
@-Shadow__Rider-7 ай бұрын
Even winning the battle couldnt save the Italian army from meme status 😭
@WelcomeToDERPLAND8 ай бұрын
I saw a video recently of one of those tiny little italian tankettes driving around in the middle east in the modern era- somehow.
@andrewcoley60298 ай бұрын
Always good to have information on lesser known conflicts and I'm always interested in hearing about the armour of countries like Italy and Japan. Thanks
@Otokichi7868 ай бұрын
2:02 End of the "Battleship Lake" Ad.
@FrancisFjordCupola8 ай бұрын
The L3 was something more than junk. Before being processed by factories, it was largely iron ore deposits with a bright future ahead. Little did they know.
@Corium18 ай бұрын
The L3 also and variants saw action in the eastern front. So imagine being in one of these and going up against T34 or KVs.
@phoenix2112458 ай бұрын
Imagine being in one and going up against the humble t26.... Which posed just as much of a threat and soviets had thousands of...... Which could pop your hull open and you could do nothing about. Never mind the heavies, even the lightest tanks like the t26, bt5, m3 stuart, tetrarch... Posed an existential threat to that abomination. Heck, the American M2 would do that, and it was scrapped for being too much of a lemon.
@derlasercrafterwally43427 ай бұрын
@@phoenix211245 the Tankette is probably great for infantry support but its just not a tank
@phoenix2112457 ай бұрын
@@derlasercrafterwally4342 Yeah, it's more like an oversized bren carrier, though the bren had a version with a mounted AT rifle, and could probably pose just as much danger to it as a tank.
@Mestari1Gaming7 ай бұрын
@@phoenix211245The Italians should have upgraded the CV/33 with a turret armed with a machine gun or a 20mm auto cannon capable of rotating 360 degrees. Basically like the Japanese tankettes which all had turrets.
@tekis08 ай бұрын
The basic Italian soldier was pretty good, in fact. The problems were that they were poorly lead at the top; most generals, colonels and majors got their positions thru nepotism or bribery. Italy wasn't quite developed enough economically either.
@TheGhostofCarlSchmitt8 ай бұрын
yes, and they lacked automatic weapons, some of their artillery and mortar shells didn't explode and so on... also, they suffered from their ultraconservative senior officers' decisionmaking, which still thought that swords and horses were an inalienable part of modern warfare, much in a similar way to the Japanese
@phoenix2112458 ай бұрын
@@TheGhostofCarlSchmittNot only that, they had crippling failures in equipment. Some soldiers, like in any force, stood to the death after El Alamein, hence my claim.. Name one item, you can be sure the Italians were short of it. Respect to them though, just like the Soviets, Finns, British, USA, Japan, etc, etc.... they fought. It gets hard to see the story behind a pile of bodies, but all our records say that some Italian archives are true.
@Kruppt8087 ай бұрын
My granny worked at POW camps in the States during WW2, she said the Italians were gregarious, singing, generally happy ish 😄, the Germans on the other hand were sullen, not happy to be there. It was her opinion that the Italians were lovers not fighters. I wonder if her opinion of them is biased 🤔 because she visited Italy in the early 30s, she said the Brown shirts were very handsome😂😂
@phoenix2112457 ай бұрын
@@Kruppt808 Don't know. Though Italy got the reputation as a useless power, it was mostly down to the equipment. There were multiple units that fought to the last tooth, as they had run out of bullets hours ago. Hopefully your grandma saw the ones who realized it was pointless to fight.
@Kruppt8087 ай бұрын
Yah it's not a criticism against the Italian trooper in ww2. Just something I remember her telling me😊
@mikedimarco30088 ай бұрын
Italy was the first nation before outbreak of WW2 in utilizing mobile armoured warfare in the occupation of Albania
@surters8 ай бұрын
What they didn't learn in Spain they certainly wouldn't have learned here ...
@secretbaguette7 ай бұрын
In Spain they were the only tanks in business.
@Unfassbarer8 ай бұрын
Danke!
@TanksEncyclopediaYT8 ай бұрын
Thank you@
@aleksazunjic96727 ай бұрын
Italians had powerful guns , i.e. AA and naval guns with flat trajectory, just like other nations. They also had steel of decent quality and quantity. What they lacked are powerful engines. You cannot build tank weighting 50 tones with 90 mm gun if you don't have engine in 400-500 hp class. Only in 1943 near the end they started producing reasonably powerful engines, but it was too late.
@MM22966Ай бұрын
Which is ironic, because their fighters are generally known for having great engines and terrible everything else.
@aleksazunjic9672Ай бұрын
@@MM22966 Not really. Italians had radial air-cooled engines on their fighter planes, and only got more powerful later in the war (German license) . Lack of engine technology seriously hampered Italians throughout the war.
@MM22966Ай бұрын
@@aleksazunjic9672 Ah, okay. Perhaps I should not have shot my mouth off over generalist knowledge.
@Huy-G-Le8 ай бұрын
Wait until 1942, and the Italian will see how their easy conquests turns into Vietnam when the Albanians peasantry tree no longer support Italy Monarchy and Business class literally have ownerships over their lands, their farms and everything else Corporatism have to offer.
@thurin848 ай бұрын
italy; the 2nd best ww1 tanks of ww2!
@allanalopez17568 ай бұрын
It is still a Cute little tank ❤❤❤❤❤😊
@smallebige7 ай бұрын
Also I want to point out you ignored one major thing that caused the Albanian military to be quite bad due to the deal the last king took basically the military was under Italian thumb which they mostly filled with Italian commanders and such and leaving did put massive gaps in leadership and arms
@MrMenefrego18 ай бұрын
Galeazzo Ciano was Mussolini's son-in-law, not his "son."
7 ай бұрын
Good Video. Nicem that you are getting some sponsoring money :)
@chiriematthieu8 ай бұрын
What are those l3 we see with some kind of boogies? Those boogies with 2 larger roadwheel remind me of the 1943 fast light tank prototype which i can t remrber the name.
@DIREWOLFx758 ай бұрын
The bogie-suspension is the NORMAL for the L3. It's not until the L3/38 upgrade that it switches to torsion bar suspension.
@SilverShamrockNovelties8 ай бұрын
The boogie suspension wouldn’t be developed until the rise of disco in the mid 1970s.
@FortuneZer08 ай бұрын
"Surrendering to Lt..Webers dog is preferable to an italian."
@georgesmith5708 it's the movie Captain Corelli's Mandolin
@FortuneZer08 ай бұрын
I just realized he was a captain.
@finnegansherrick26377 ай бұрын
I 🫶🏻 his voice
@bryannoyce8 ай бұрын
the L3 is not a tank, it is a repositionable machinegun nest. It is capable of moving up just behind the infantry, giving them fire support, or quickly reinforcing defensive positions that are under attack. A good vehicle, but not a tank, or a tank killer.
@TanksEncyclopediaYT8 ай бұрын
Tell that to the Italians. Their doctrine said it was a tank and they used it as a tank.
@bryannoyce8 ай бұрын
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT like a land ship, sailing across the battlefield, impervious to all harm!! Viva Italia!
@Mestari1Gaming7 ай бұрын
What i don't get is why the Italians did not add a 360 degrees rotating turret to their CV/33 tankettes?
@comentedonakeyboard8 ай бұрын
Ciano was Mussos son in law
@pavelslama55437 ай бұрын
L3, junk unless when facing no resistance at all. I think that they could have saved money by making it out of cardboard (and hoping for favorable weather), because it would not struggle any more than it historically did, and it would probably be faster and more reliable.
@MisterOcclusion8 ай бұрын
What was the strategic value of taking Albania? It would seem that the military operation would cost more than the place is worth. Just a flex by Il Duce?
@illyrian448 ай бұрын
Oil reserves, a foothold in the Balkans? Geopolitics much?
@TanksEncyclopediaYT8 ай бұрын
Natural resources and controlling the entrance to the Adriatic Sea
@lagjescuni54828 ай бұрын
@MisterOcclusion....the many empires that have passed through here don't think like you....for example The Ottomans lost more men in Albania than in all the wars against the other Balanic peoples combined
@lagjescuni54828 ай бұрын
however the video is more than 90% correct but those who do not know the history of Albania, the geopolitical context and Albanian political movements both internal and external of the period cannot understand why the Italians entered Albania so easily..keeping in mind that the Italians were already defeated in Albania a few years ago
@lagjescuni54828 ай бұрын
just as many do not understand why the Italian soldiers in Albania were so easily transformed into partisans forced to fight against their German allies until the total liberation of Albania.....and Albania was the only country that was not helped by the Red Army or by the allies with the Lend-Lease
@roanoke_fanboy4908 ай бұрын
I wonder what tank Wikipedias favourite tank is that a question that some days needs to be answered
@canemcave7 ай бұрын
well, they were easily transportable, could easily operate in cities and mountains and were perfectly suitable against the type of lightly armored troops they would have encountered. At the start of the war, they could have been considered suitable for the task
@Da__goat7 ай бұрын
See the problem is that the Italians never imported the Bob Semple tank from New Zealand, and that was their main problem as we all know that absolutely NOBODY can STOP the glorious BOB
@AdmiralBonetoPick8 ай бұрын
If Galeazzo Ciano was Mussolini's son, how come he had a different surname?
@dogecreeper_17347 ай бұрын
He was his son-in-law
@Platanis20088 ай бұрын
I don't think L3 were needed at all, in this invasion...and Italian Intelligence should have this info! Whatever genius in logistics set the two ships at the same time must be removed, next time might not be so lucky... As for the Prince, it is forbidden to surrender-he's not a simple citizen.
@Saltasaur8 ай бұрын
The individual units did learn, they just couldn’t apply it with limited industry and their army’s brass having a stick up the bum.
@NoirChat1387 ай бұрын
Ciano wasn't Mussolini's son
@slobodanmitic13548 ай бұрын
Wow, so there was worse army than italian in WW2....
@Bekim4238 ай бұрын
And Yugoslavia got rolled in 10 days
@slobodanmitic13548 ай бұрын
@@Bekim423 12. Still lasted longer. Not to mention guerilla partisans who never stop fighting, and finally threw out Germans from the country. BIG difference. BIG.
@Glumbus18 ай бұрын
man albania is literally 1/10 the size of italy this is like denmark vs germany
@Nivola19538 ай бұрын
Hello “historian”, did I hear you right at 3:06? Did you just call Galeazzo Ciano Mussolini’s son? Whaaaat, you meant son in law right, because he married Edda one of Mussolini’s daughters. Bruno was the dictator son. It really bugs me when people who want to teach history to others, make such silly and unnecessary mistakes. You lose 1000 points in respect 👎🏻
@Nullsalot8 ай бұрын
Yeah, son in law. He was king, right? That makes him the law, ergo son full stop. I jest, of course. I know it's not funny. Especially compared to your joke about 1000 respect points and how they presumably have more value than the act of watching, commenting on, and otherwise interacting with the content. Quite funny. Could you post a full rebuttal video and teach the actual history of the conflict? I'd much like to learn further from you.
@SilverShamrockNovelties8 ай бұрын
History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. -George Orwell
@Kruppt8087 ай бұрын
@SilverShamrockNovelties whenever I read something like this I think of the Twilight Zone episode Obsolete
@richarddenny53404 ай бұрын
Italy was a poor nation and lacked the raw materials to manufacture enough adequate tanks.
@johnmorris40038 ай бұрын
LOL
@gwebb6808 ай бұрын
A little boost to the audio level would be beneficial.
@Palaemon448 ай бұрын
My Dad was the gunner in an L3/35 during the fighting in the Balkans after the outbreak of WW2. I have a great snapshot of him in September 1939 sitting on the tank. Despite being designed for mountains, his tankette rolled down a mountainside injuring his back and he was invalided out. Father started as a loyal Fascist but was disillusioned by the horrible reality of the enemy soldiers he machine gunned. He went to Germany and spent most of the rest of the war as a worker in the BMW aircraft engine plant.
@nikosnikos6527 ай бұрын
the italians NEVER invaded albania. .the albanians practically invited them. they were so hungry that really begged to become an italian protectorate