Tape-style loop destruction done digitally | Destruction Loops 4

[@Hainbach]

And here is the album containing all Destruction Loops: hainbach.bandcamp.com/album/destruction-loops-i-iv

[@SyncdAlien]

Aha! 😍 Absolutely fascinating, Hainbach! 👍 I was inspired by some of your magnetic tape explorations myself when I produced "Traum Schimmern" in a way similar to what you're doing here - I produced all of the simulated magnetic tape effects digitally in the DAW. I doubt if you have time to listen to it, but if you did I'd like to know what you think. P.S. I enjoyed the way you degraded the video here to match the audio, quite clever, and I wouldn't mind you explaining more about the video process you used. Thank you!! 👽

[@Rustik1722]

I remember when you first did this! I want to get on the next one if you need some vocals for any projects!

[@AndreijRublev]

I love when silence becomes an expression itself. Never forget that silence is part of music.

[@busch028]

Well said

[@crazyjoe1540]

The Japanese even have a word for it

[@chelidonframe]

Half speed piano: instant Brian Eno! The whole "digital” destructuration process is fascinating: how silence emerges and things are reduced to small bits is something emotionally powerful!

[@anthonypurpera6517]

[patiently waiting intensifies]

[@PastelComGini]

[bitrate slowly decreases]

[@Erinkyan]

there is always such a sensitivity in your work that always touches me so deeply.

[@leoz96]

Something about the sound of that low piano note with the digital compression sounds so beautiful, at the end the compression almost becomes an aditional instrument

[@imlxh7126]

I can't stress enough how much I appreciate this. I don't have any kind of reel-to-reel tape machine, the funds to get one, or the space to keep it, so thanks so much for giving a possible entry point for digital disintegration. Makes me wonder what other ways one can digitally whittle an audio file down to nothing--bad mp3 compression, perhaps?

[@Almanacs]

Fascinating! Such a good proof that wonderful sound experimentation doesn't depend on the media we use but on the brain that creates it. Great job!

[@hair_ofthedog5023]

Personally, I love listening to a beautiful loop for an hour. Release the unedited version!!

[@Hainbach]

I did: hainbach.bandcamp.com/album/destruction-loops-i-iv

[@galacticecho7027]

Hainbach. Thank you for being an inspiration to my music process. You taught me there is more than one way to think about music. I bought and have used a dictaphone in my music because of you.

[@ashencold2987]

ok, I was crying the hell out of myself with the decay process diving in my reflections of life and death, but you were not satisfied with this so you decided to play the Maestro... ok you own me a psychologist now. Great video. Thanks A lot.

[@reptilespantoso]

This is what I like about your work. The attention to tiny details in tone, looking for beauty in decays. :-) Happy New Year everyone!

[@h2o1969]

Love this concept. I listened to the album today while I worked on a project. The negative comments were a challenge. Nice project. I like the comparison of the tape to the digital. Keep up the great work!

[@Hainbach]

Yeah it is not easy listening in the Hate Loops and Regret part. Being in the room with these for hours did change me a bit, which is a good thing.

[@johninfl]

This channel is always satisfying on many levels...

[@Iain2000]

Ohhh wow! Totally mind melting one time only music/soundscapes. Love it. Away to try this out now.

[@annedeoedipus7849]

Wonderful. As an analogy for life (for us) this is profound and beautiful. Thank you.

[@jonirons2830]

Great visual degredation as well!

[@thebkstank2095]

Dude I thought my phone just had a bad connection lol

[@thealmightycommenter]

There is such harmony in discruction xx thank you for your perspective hainbach

[@moritzbierdimpfl7233]

bro you are such a pure soul

[@sevenape]

Absolutely inspirational! Hugs from another dying being in a rainy Tuscany.

[@why2k87]

Such a great concept, it reminds me of generation loss, the effect that happens to images that are uploaded and downloaded too many times, causing noise in the picture.

[@danielbirchmusic]

You’ve convinced me to buy the overpriced dongle required to use my Zoom H4N as an interface for my iPad. Looking forward to giving this technique a go. Thanks Hainbach as always for creating such inspiring content.

[@Hainbach]

It is such a game changer. Suddenly having clear audio on iPad is mad.

[@benbaker5374]

Rereading John Cage’s “Silence” last night and then watching/listening to this the next day is a really special experience. Thank you!

[@cubalibre023ify]

I understand that feeling I tried myself and it spaced me totally away I love the noise carpet at the end

[@wariusgaius]

It’s a commercial for an app. More power to you, you beautiful and inspirational man.

[@Hainbach]

The experimental music industrial complex

[@standudinski]

@@Hainbach the best kind of industrial complex.

[@SynthApprentice]

@@Hainbach What about the industrial music experimental complex?

[@Scuretat]

this is music on another level

[@xenontesla122]

The idea of digital loop destruction is really interesting and well executed, too! When read the title I thought of the sort of effects you get from mp3-style data compression like pre-echo and an "underwater" sound. I wonder if there's a way to implement those effects…

[@Hainbach]

Yeah, I would love a "looping encoder", gotta hit up Bram

[@LocustPokus]

I wonder if you could make a ‘re’ struction loop using the reverse of this process

[@Hainbach]

Absolutely! So many possiblities, especially since you can vary the time.

[@MahlenMorris]

I've tried this in Reaktor, where I had one loop of "zeros" slowly being added to until it was all "ones", and then using this loop to adjust the volume of a different, audio sample loop. Unlike destruction, which has a clear sense of progress and a clear sense of ending, with "restruction" (or maybe "construction") it is harder for the ear to know when it's complete. I suspect this is because the ear fills in gaps based on the earliest bits of sound, and so when they get filled in, it's not that different, I think? But this may be a limitation as well of the audio loops I was using, which are urban field recordings, not clean musical phrases. I should pick up this idea again... In case anyone's interested, for a Survey of Music Technology class I did a very different take on this idea of digital destructive loops, where whole notes are dropped, short audio dropouts are added, and tiny bits of hiss are added. You can hear it at: soundcloud.com/stochastic-telegraph/disintegrationforloops-1-1

[@kavokei1337]

@@MahlenMorris you really *should* pick up that idea again!

[@Roikat]

Entropic decay can only be reversed by the application of additional structuring energy, which will inherently create new structure rather than retrieving any entropically lost structure. You're asking Hainbach to be Maxwell's Demon! But it's always interesting to contemplate if and how processes might be reversed, so I see where you're coming from.

[@stephenparry6811]

has a slight Thursday afternoon vibe about it.... always excellent content

[@kavokei1337]

So. Much. Eno. I love this immensely! The psychological effect is very interesting, it was obvious in your initial reaction at the end and I felt something similar as a listener. Cheers

[@1JesseEns]

I love your appreciation of the outcome of your experiments! Straight to the heart.......Once I tried some digital looping and it ended up giving very strange sounds. In logic pro you can use the "tape delay" plug in to make a loop and instead of getting feedback it will(over time) completely morph into some hi pitched digital madness.This video makes me somehow appreciate this.

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

Sound blaster card, now that’s a blast from the past! ;)

[@prufrockrenegade]

Been doing this type of stuff for years by recording stuff back and forth between cheap old samplers. Lots of fun for abstract sound design, especially when you tastefully overdrive the inputs and/or mess with the filters depending on the sampler

[@paulmanningremixes6408]

A most beautiful experiment, would be to repeat something similar to this, and re-record the resulting, slowly decomposing output, then apply a similar palette of extremely slow and convoluted reverbs and delays of your choice/preference, either in the box, virtual, or hardware effects. Just keep recycling and layering and re-destroying until the end point of each full cycle sounds totally different from the beginning. The possibilities are endless and exciting.

[@Luchoedge]

Beautiful! It has a Minecraft kinda vibe to it. Vast, nostalgic, low res. The concept also reminds me to the work of The Caretaker. I've heard about it, but I have yet to listen to it, because it intimidates me, I think it will be really heavy and emotional, and I wanna be in a better state of mind. Your work feels conceptually lighter, But still very profound, and really takes you places. Many thanks for giving us the opportunity to experience this!

[@morgan0]

i was also reminded of the caretaker’s works, of which i’ve listened to a few but not all yet. a couple weeks ago i made a track that really reminded me of EATOT, but after listening to this i think i should try to do another destruction loop sorta thing

[@MilesKvndra]

Einfach wunderschön. 💚 Der Effekt ist Klasse, die Instrumentenauswahl dafür auch. Passt sehr gut zur Zeit zwischen den Jahren

[@lddevo88]

Such a hauntingly beautiful process! I'm almost considering getting an iPad just for this feature on the app.

[@patrickfoster4586]

So relaxing yet unsettling. Much like the human experience- regardless of intentions we always destroy everything we touch. Extraordinary audio experiment Hainbach! Cheers from Louisiana P[>

[@walrtbstudios5430]

This will drive me back to Gauss again. I’ve always struggled with the app because- unique among Bram Bos’ apps- it’s not at all intuitive, and I have to read the manual over and over again every time I load it up. Needs a full weekend of practice I guess…

[@MrTeanager]

Ohoh! My internet is broken again! I like that you waited until it was gone; I would have called it quits half way through thinking that it was gone enough. I bet this would work on the Bastl Thyme as well. Thanks!

[@drphiI]

I think if one would take a looper that is constantly set on overdubbing, and have running into it a constant sound source, perhaps out of phase, (maybe a tape loop or another looper), a similar effect can be achieved.

[@SyntheticFuture]

Seems like a job for Enso in AUM. Def. doable.

[@jodymcdougle8810]

Oh wow! Sound Blaster! Those older sound cards were incredible when the first came out! I remember recording sounds from the television to the computer and was blown away! I was able to edit the sounds and create my very own windows theme with sounds that I had the pleasure of editing myself. Doesn't sound like much, but it was cool for me. Does anyone else have any stories with these sound cards?

[@Ciopekwah]

i like how the video quality deteriorates along with the music :0

[@AveragePicker]

Love your appreciation of sounds.

[@cryogenic_sleep4795]

It reminds me of William basinski's the disintegration loops.

[@davidsobel3303]

exactly! I have all of that series. Towards the end there are long gaps between sounds. I love it.

[@DaveyReynolds]

that's like saying someone's cover of a Beatles song reminds you of the Beatles...

[@igorgadomski6883]

no shit

[@spurioustransients]

Very nice and in interesting experiment. (And I really like your jumper too!)

[@iosmusicman]

Chance and silence. Both key elements for Mr Cage.

[@drewmorris349]

I thought something was wrong with my video until I realized it was intentional. Haha, well played.

[@intelbreak]

amazing sounds! I really wish this app was also on android! also your jumper is so nice!

[@EugenioMenotti]

I love that pixel asthetics at end of destruction. But for one minute I thought that the video wasn't in 1080 px HD, the only thing that revealed to me that this in hd, is minute counter.

[@handwriting8804]

What if you reapplied the oxide dust to the tape and them played it back? Would it even be recognizable at the end?

[@tezeta3725]

It would just bury everything under the noise floor most likely

[@handwriting8804]

@@tezeta3725 probably, never know until someone tries it.

[@tezeta3725]

Well thats true, but you can make a pretty good guess if you know how magnetic tape works. In this case I'm fairly certain that reaplying the dust would just add more noise because you would be putting the dust back in a totally random order. The magnetic information you're adding back to the tape would be totally jumbled and it would be read as noise. It would essentially be like putting the tape back into its original state before anything was recorded on it. There might be a bit of a signal still from whatever was left on the tape after the destruction loop, but it most likely would be extremely quiet compared to all the random information you just added back.

[@associativemicrosemantics3930]

I have created a simple but nice-sounding tapeloop algorithm. It already has a destruction function that is applied during rendering but currently it does not change the loop itself. I guess I'll add new destruction algorithms that gradually destroy the loop itself. Maybe some physical modelling stuff.

[@joelkulesha8284]

I'd love to see this idea but with video tape! Maybe trying to shoot a music video with a camcorder and run that through some kinda destruction loop if you can with a VCR

[@xibalbaNOW]

Tough with a VCR as the tape loads at the heads at the top of the tape transport rather than at the bottom as with cassettes. But you can Deffo destroy the tape a little before it goes in. An easier way of getting video effects is to play with circuit bend video processing gear. Check out Tachyons+ and BMPC

[@seekingnibbana4]

I've done it by removing the front of the VCR and cutting off the top of the VHS, Very finicky though, and difficult to destruct artistically.

[@scttcmpbll]

The Disting Ex is great for some digitally decaying loops

[@apg8396]

You're decaying! Nice touch!

[@MisterCross]

Okay that was amazingly beautiful and awesome.

[@brthrm1511]

Can we hope the app will come to Android too? Or shall I start saving to get an iPad?

[@mikenoface]

I think Bram Bos is mostly on iOS. I have an older iPad 2 Air running iOS 13 and Gauss and AUM run well on it. You could probably pick up a used one for cheap. You won't be able to run as many AUV3 plugins and tracks as a newer iPad, but definitely workable for making music.

[@Timbobs]

This video is what would happen if Alva Noto and William Basinski had a baby 😄 HAINBACH - The Xerrox Loops

[@mikenoface]

When the 1989 effect kicked in, it very much reminded me of the Ex Machina soundtrack main theme.

[@Molekulasti]

Wonderful. Do you plan on releasing this as a vst?

[@Hainbach]

No planned yet, Bram is exclusive to iOS now because he enjoys its wildness.

[@Molekulasti]

@@Hainbach Thank you for the answer and good luck in both new year and new victories.

[@PaulChabot]

Loved this video! Thank you. Great ideas and inspiration to take away. :)

[@Morjensful]

What is missing from this is the gradual decay of analog; that could be maybe done better with another bit depth and samplerate. What sounds best in my opinion is the "random" numbers in samplerate - it kind of breaks the logic of the conversion algorithm. For example SP1200 had 26.04 kHz and 12 bit. That is weird man and quite wonderful. What irks me about 8bit 11khz is the "gate" effect of it - so what will remain is the dithering noise at some point, but since it is 8bit it will gate that effect instead of letting it bloom (like it did on tape). I did multiple projects where we pushed samples from an MPC into an SP1200 and back into MPC just for what it did to the sound . I also had a workflow once of doing loop destruction in cooledit... Multiple passes of different sample conversion and styles to get it where I wanted. 16bit -> 12bit random KHZ setting -> 10bit random KHZ setting-> back to 16bit 22,5 khz. If there was to be a gradual fade per conversion pass (dry to wet) I think you might get a similar, albeit digital (smoother) result that you did earlier. There is quite a wonderful world of digital conversion that is uglier but smoother than the 8bit. I love these videos, really made me think about this stuff. Still wondering why there is not a plugin for the ADDA of different samplers.

[@kgbinfo]

I think the Bastl Thyme applies a lovely digital degradation to the sounds fed into it, though perhaps it doesn't become more extreme over time. It has been a few years since I have been able to play with a Thyme so I can't say for sure.

[@GrzegorzBojanek]

Do you remember my tweet about the "decay" function? It was before it appeared in the update!

[@Hainbach]

Yeah you were among the people requesting it! That is what makes me so happy about it - a feature I had no idea could be so useful coming from people using the app. Thx!

[@tekvax01]

lovely bits!

[@krisdelacourt3977]

this is like the brainchild of basinski and reznor. good job :)

[@mr.apartment]

might be a shot in the dark but on the topic of destruction, i was wondering if you could tell me how to get the type of signal decay on time stamp 1:32 of a lorn song called all corrupt everything, it’s such a unique sound and couldn’t think of anyone better to take on such a challenge, cheers!

[@moonboogien8908]

Dear lord KZbin.... How do you give me this 2 days late? Well, I'm here now. Time to enjoy the sweet destruction.

[@busch028]

Hello Hainbach, I am a huge fan. Another great video. I have a question and am wondering if you can help. I am trying to slow down drum sounds and get a sound to them similar to the way you can switch a 45rpm record to 33rpms on a turntable. The slower drums really provide a fatter and “heavier” flavor that I love. Naturally, I have tried using DAW’s to slow down the samples but you obviously can’t achieve the same character. Apart from creating your own vinyl, do you have a method you might recommend where I have the control over analog pitch? Perhaps dictaphone, multi-track tape recorder, finding pitch control on a secondhand tape deck??? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thank you so much for your time.

[@Hainbach]

Oh a good quality reel to reel would be useful, but you would have to implement varispeed on it to get the 33/45 jump.

[@busch028]

@@Hainbach thank you so much Hainbach for your reply. I understand your time is very valuable. To take the time to answer my question is one of the many reasons you have a loyal fanbase. Best wishes in your journeys. If I can contribute to your projects in any way, please let me know. Many thanks!!!

[@el_camino_real]

Hello! so the automation process in daw is the same as in gauss? does Gauss have something extra like 1989 mod? and is there a gauss version for windows? best regards and thank you

[@SlowDescentToWild]

This sounds gorgeous. Is it a similar technique to a looper? I have a Strymon Volante where you can set the speed of the looper decay.

[@Hainbach]

Yes! And maybe add a crusher pedal after to add to the bit stealing effect.

[@RCAVDH]

Nice sweater

[@Abihef]

This wasso confusing Cuz at first I didn't Realized what you were Doing with the Video Also sorry for the weird typing but I hope it doesn't ruin the surprise this way by not showing the full reaction. Really like the video effect at 40:00 though with the layered pixelation, really cool and I hope to remember it one day when it's fitting.

[@Ally2_]

Yes, finally! I was waiting : )

[@joeSeggiola]

Did you gradually increased the loops volume in mixer while they were decaying?

[@Hainbach]

No, they drop in volume.

[@GerardPoels]

There is no Audio Unit or VST plug-in Gauss Field Looper (yet? :-) What would be a way to achieve this kind of beautiful audio destruction in Logic (or an other DAW).

[@GerardPoels]

Found this (from the Wonderfull folks at Klevgrand). "all parameters are fully automatable": klevgrand.se/products/degrader

[@tiadiad]

This would make for a cool album cover 7:51

[@themahoneychops]

Excellent. Does the app allow you to record the audio?

[@Hainbach]

Standalone Gauss does, in AUM you can use AUM.

[@cilius88]

Excuse my ignorance but what is the app that is recording the loops, the one with the three and main channels? Is that still the Gauss app? Thanks.

[@Hainbach]

AUM

[@andersmathiasrnneberg3547]

I have got the Gauss app, but cannot seem to find the mastering screen that you use to combine the different loops in this video. Is that done in a separate app?

[@Hainbach]

That is AUM

[@Jaspertine]

You can get interesting results with a Boss DD3 Digital Delay pedal if you ride the feedback knob to keep the echoes going. You don't have as much time to work with, though.

[@stuartchapman5171]

I have a passion for delay, owning too many, I should get one of those, I had a Joyo digital,I let the smoke out of it, with a super hot signal. You couldn't ride the feedback, all screaming or nothing.

[@olarrist4273]

Do you do donation requests? I’d like to know what digital recording techniques can be use to get the sound of the song Modern Man by Tollund Men.

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

Hainbach . you are a genuis ! But i PREFFERE the Nagras,,,,,,, !

[@GOLDENCORE78]

Billy "Disintegration Loops" has change the life of many people...

[@IRuinEvrything]

this is like "everything at the end of time"

[@Projacked1]

I feel the loop decay (to a degree) adds sounds instead of removing it....

[@Hainbach]

Yeah, it is like a background rising.

[@colinedmunds2238]

The later results sound like if you’re using an octave fuzz and the note sputters out as the input signal from the guitar fades out

[@xyc3877]

What if vinyl or video cassete destruction?

[@DeathTrapProductions]

Mr. Bach what adpter are you using for your ipad? is that the lightning connection?

[@Hainbach]

Camera connection kit to RME Babyface Pro

[@AndrewJohnClive]

Thursday afternoon...🙂

[@AndrewJohnClive]

I didn’t realise this app is in your own interest...

[@lukeburris9178]

Hainbach’s cheating on his cocoquantus :)))

[@smacksalad]

"Half speed everything!"

[@jmalmsten]

Anyone have suggestions for a windows friendly tape loop simulator? Complete with speed controls and such? VST or standalone app.

[@Hainbach]

Sorry no. Gauss is still the best (I am biased lol)

[@dillipphunbar7924]

good demo of audio and video degradation..

[@karlramberg]

Reminds me of Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room". The piece features Lucier recording himself narrating a text, and then playing the tape recording back into the room, re-recording it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Sitting_in_a_Room

[@standudinski]

whenever i hear 8bit and 11k sample rate, my Mirage nostalgia gets triggered

[@persil183]

Here i am always filling like i am landing on the moon

[@Hasserfyllt]

ENDLICH JUHUUUU

[@olarrist4273]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@mz2250]

Plot twist 25:00 mean 25hrs