Tasting January Apples Fresh Off The Tree, and Apple Seedlings

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SkillCult

SkillCult

Күн бұрын

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@christopherchandler1261
@christopherchandler1261 6 жыл бұрын
Apples, apples, and more apples!
@suttonelms1
@suttonelms1 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve - pleased to see the Whitwick Pippin is performing well.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's living up to a good standard for sure. What do you think now are your best late hanging apples in terms of quality?
@suttonelms1
@suttonelms1 6 жыл бұрын
I don't have Lady Williams so can't comment on that. The best flavoured late-hanging apples seem to be Sturmer Pippin, Whitwick Pippin, Mere Pippin (I like this one because it doesn't brown - found it growing wild near Mere village, Wiltshire), Christmas Pink. There is also one found in Burford, Oxfordshire which we call Burford Yellow - another wild seedling, which improves in flavour until about mid-Feb. Sometimes it lasts until May. Also - don't forget MM106 grown as a fruiting tree; similar flavour to Sturmer and keeps about as long.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Sturmer has been a wash here. It doesn't taste good and just doesn't seem happy. I got scions from two different sources. Mere I've only tasted a little, but it seems interesting. Didn't know about the MM106 or Burford Yellow.
@royhenderson4085
@royhenderson4085 6 жыл бұрын
Even in the UK Whitwick Pippin seems to be very rare. Only one supplier has trees listed but they are out of stock. Just arranged for some scion wood from a friend of the finder of the original tree. Hopefully it will be worth the effort.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
It's pretty tasty. I just ate one that was sitting on the counter for a while and the flavor was very rich and good. Good luck. I think it should be grown and tested more.
@elkhound25
@elkhound25 6 жыл бұрын
its always good to see and hear you ramble on about apples. your efforts are appreciated much. i cant wait to get more seeds to try and get some of these genes again for my homestead. i have one nice seedling from last year.i will be starting these a big different to fight off cedar rust.keep up the good work !!
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Geez, I'm glad I don't have to deal with any disease that bad here. I'd probably just get into something else. Apples are relatively easy here.
@esotericagriculture6643
@esotericagriculture6643 6 жыл бұрын
These are very useful videos. Thanks for making them!
@Jhossack11
@Jhossack11 6 жыл бұрын
SE Michigan here. Hard freeze about November 10th every year. Any apples left get turned to mush. Brought in many bushels then. Some Goldrush will not ripen - some did (off trees pruned good for air and sun). Wonder about PinkParfait, u got me thinking about it.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's another level of cold. Pink Parfait may ripen off the tree. I don't recall ever trying though. Also, I think of it as usually earlier than this.
@goodboiadvsp3297
@goodboiadvsp3297 6 жыл бұрын
You are the true apple scientist
@rustykc
@rustykc 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool video! I absolutely love seeing these videos. Knowing that the apples are unique/ one of a kind, the knowledge you have of growing them, expirementing sharing that with us... just love the videos. If you have any seeds of any of those pink fleshed apples that you think will grow well in the Missouri midwest I'd love to get some from you. I think my girls would love learning about how to grow apples with me as I learn myself. Have a great day and again, sincerely thank you for sharing your knowledge and making these videos.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rusty :) I do have a lot of pink parfait and rubaiyat seeds this year. Some are pollinated intentionally and most are pollinated randomly. You just never know what you are going to get. As you can see, not all show red flesh and the ones that do are mostly just a little bit of it. You gotta love the adventure.
@manatoa1
@manatoa1 6 жыл бұрын
Re: late hanging cider apples, you also wouldn't need as much production capacity since you could space things out. Or, on the flipside get more ROI on the equipment and storage you have already.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I suppose so. That could be either good or bad I guess depending on equipment scale. I think for here it would be preferable to have the processing apples come in in December and/or January, at least for a home producer like me.
@GardensforLife
@GardensforLife 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the video! :D
@TheSireverard
@TheSireverard 5 жыл бұрын
What are you covering your apples with?
@ScottyUtHome
@ScottyUtHome 6 жыл бұрын
How do you prevent the birds from eating all the hanging apples?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
There are too many this year for them to eat them all. Also, it was a good acorn year and once the acorns drop, most of the birds lose interest in fruit. The covers I have on them do a lot too, but if there are only a few apples, they will attack those too. But there are lots of uncovered red apples all over the place, so they leavce anything covered alone.
@beeneverywhereman
@beeneverywhereman 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome! love the apple videos. Just found a Wickson crabapple that I bought today. I saw some olive trees and other varieties of fruit trees in the background. Processing olives? I collected some from the park that nobody was using and they were bomb after several saltwater soaks. Still eating them.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I used to be really into olives and have a spread sheet of research on mulitpurpose and table varieties. I managed to collect some of them, but have never really managed to get a lot of the in the ground. I probably have 10 or 11 decent trees now though. A couple have just started finally coming into production, but they have been slow growing because they are all out in the field on their own. I've done a lot of research and experimentation on olive curing too and used to pick every year from trees along roads and in people's yards. I haven't managed to do any videos, but I do have one blog post on the website on making sicilian olives. skillcult.com/blog/2014/02/14/making-sicilian-style-fermented-green-olives They are great and super easy, but very few cultivars are sweet enough to make them, since the bitterness is only leached out by the brine they are stored in. What most don't know about olives is that they are nearly as variable as apples from size and shape, to suitability to different uses. Most olives make mediocre to poor cured olives and especially ripe cured. Unfortunately, everyone is planting oil olives and not table olives because of the olive oil rush that has happened over the last 15 or 20 years.
@beeneverywhereman
@beeneverywhereman 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult After reading your blog, I'm totally going to look out for the Sevillano olive and try that method. Nobody seems to know what to do with these trees or they don't give them any thought. I hate that they waste all that food, but at least I'll have plenty of olives to eat lol. I've got an ascolana, a hass improved manzanilla and an arbosana all pretty young. I noticed the ascolana doesn't make good eating olives with the method I used on the "found in the park" olives. They come out too bitter. Thank you!
@daiprout323
@daiprout323 6 жыл бұрын
I've been standing my 30+ year old tree back up over the last few days. It's vigorous but a little out of hand, I'm going to air layer some suitable limbs then frankentree the old girl. I'm going to need to support it and I wondered what principles to consider when choosing a prop. It's about 12"D from above the original graft up to four feet, then open centre. I'll have to brace against the trunk and point of contact is my main fear. Thanks as ever dude.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I don't really have any ideas about that. That's a lot of tree to stand back up and keep there. I suppose you could cable it off to an anchor in the ground. Whatever you use, don't strangle it off all the way around.
@daiprout323
@daiprout323 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult I might leave it how it is then, I've lifted it with a sling and ratchet strap and it seems stable. I'll keep notes on it, in case it works.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
You might get away with drilling a big eye bolt through it That way no wrap around the tree at all. It might shorten the life, but considering it already fell over, it's probably not going to live to a great age anyway.
@daiprout323
@daiprout323 6 жыл бұрын
I'm already looking for a more suitable property for cultivation (neighbors black poplar is a big problem). I'm going to use this tree to nail my skills, it's 20 years since I made a graft.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good canvas for a frankentree.
@johnlord8337
@johnlord8337 6 жыл бұрын
You have all those dandelions growing with the fruit trees. Nothing really wrong with that as they pull up the deep nutrients, and pull out some of the acidity - making a neutral or alkaline ph soil. Growing some nitrogen-fixing comfrey (cut and drop) in the fruit tree will also be a very good "veg/herb lawn" in an orchard row.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I think that really depends on the climate and cultural care. I've actually been working on a weed suppression system to prevent annual weed growth under the trees. The problem here is no summer rain and very little irrigation. competition for water is a driving force here in the summer since we have a long dry season. Most broad leaved herbs like that will grow into the summer as long as they can. Understories or guilds are the classic permaculture approach,, but I don't think the usual paint by numbers approach makes a very good system here without summer water. What I want to see is understories that outcompete all the annual herbs and grass, but which die off early enough to stop competing with the tree and leave a dying mulch. I've only found two plants that perform that function well so far, but preliminary results seem promising. It might be possible to use timing to grow essentially a cover crop, then kill it off in the spring, but that's too much work for me to keep up with. it is also easier to control them now than when everything grows deeper, tougher roots.
@johnlord8337
@johnlord8337 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult sounds permaculture and food forest, albeit being an orchard, vineyard, and garden all interspersed - without nitrogen-ravenous corn and tomatoes, and solanide tomatoes and potatoes. Use the Amerindian formula of corn, squash, and beans. Use fruit/nut trees instead of corn for supports for beans (nitrogen-fixers) and berry vines. Use large understory vegs and herbs like beets, cauliflowers, broccoli, tree kale, tree collards, (here in SanFran our community garden has abandoned vegs "these mentioned" that went feral and HUGE - not sure of any fertilizer - but all 4-6 foot veg shrubs with wrist-sized stalks, beet roots as big as mangels, and the leaves of all of these challenge cabbage and collards !). Any other ground-surface vegs vines (melons, gourds, squash could be horizontal or hung on the trees for vertical gardening. If Israelis, use sub-surface drip irrigation - summer water doesnt have to be an issue. Same for growing root vegs (small and shrubs) carrots, celeriac, parsnip, salsify, jicama, daikon, radish, rutabaga, turnip, kohlrabi, brussels, kale, cabbage, collards are all good for ground cover - pulling up the water table, and having enough ground cover for keeping the soil humid. There was the talk of having strawberries planted amongst rocks and boulders, protect the damp soil under the rocks, strawberries from drying out, while the cold morning rocks keep the berry roots cool, then warm at night with warmed rocks. Having rocks also in the garden does the same for cooling, warmth, and soil protective cover alongside other small and medium bush species. Of course, this is some really intensive and challenging gardening, one doesn't need to wonder about small or large weeds, as any if the other soil area can be covered with other herb varieties. As the vines cover the trees (especially the dark-skinned plums and cherries) they prevent sunburn and other anti-scald of the high tree bark, cambium, sprouting spurs, and new sprouts. The shrubs protect the ground roots and lower tree trunks. All is feasible having seen other food forests with multiple canopies.
@goodboiadvsp3297
@goodboiadvsp3297 6 жыл бұрын
Have you had any time to go mushroom hunting? I saw two varieties growing in a planter box in San Fransisco so the first hunting season must be coming up fast.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I did go out a couple of times. it hasn't been that good really. Hopefully more will come up soon.
@simmonds6063
@simmonds6063 5 жыл бұрын
Do you know how gold rush compares to the new Crunch-a-bunch? Also, Opal is my fav from the store. Is it comparable in flavor to the gold rush?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried either yet. For home growers, the stuff crunch a bunch does different may not matter. I think it is largely about size, appearance and earliness. It may taste different, or even better, but gold rush sets a high bar in keeping and flavor. it will be interesting to see what it's like.
@quintond.7888
@quintond.7888 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for the content as always. I'd love to try pink parfait and Katherine here in middle Tennessee and maybe put some down on the family homestead in Kentucky. P.S. how is your health holding up?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I think they are worth a try in that type of climate. Anywhere you can consistently go ice fishing in the winter is probably a wash, but who knows. Everywhere else, might as well try them and see what happens. I'm still not doing too hot. I've gotten a few good windows, but mostly using them to fix up living quarters. I just got a stove installed at new years and I've managed to improve my living situation in important ways. It's hard to get videos made though.
@quintond.7888
@quintond.7888 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds good, I'm going to throw some in the dirt and cross my fingers. I hope you'll get some vigor back soon, and I'm glad to hear you're allowing yourself some comfort. We appreciate what you do, especially given your condition.
@Will_Spence
@Will_Spence 6 жыл бұрын
The trend is away from late hanging/ripening cider apples. In fact Long Ashton Research Station put some effort into breeding new earlier varieties (with mixed results). The issue is late in the year in our climate the ground becomes too wet and soft and can pose problems for the harvesting machines access, as well as requiring the fruit to be washed more thoroughly due to excessive covering with mud and the damage to the orchard floor itself. Also the timing of seasonal temperature changes for the long traditional primary and secondary fermentation process might pose problems. I grow primarily Black Dabinett myself which persists on the tree until December and then all falls off at once. It's a great vintage quality bittersweet cider apple, fast growing and untouched by disease but it's rare and probably always will be because it's too late for the big growers. I'm a minnow so it's great for me, but in a wet year even driving a land rover around can be a nightmare for the soil which then sets hard in summer because it's heavy clay. You've inspired me to try my hand at apple breeding in a few years and I will probably try to create a more mid-season cider apple. Bardsey x Black Dabinett trying for a mid season bittersharp apple, immune to disease strikes me as an interesting combination.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
That's the typical type of concern that drives breeding and cultivar choice in. I grow a walnut that everyone loves, but was rejected as being unsuitable to commercial production. It cracks out well, it's huge, sweet, but apparently the shells are either too fragile or too poorly sealed for commercial harvest and process. Is that the same Dabinett that is dwarfish and blooms super late? I have that one here, but it doesn't grow right. People seem to talk it up a lot. Good luck with the breeding. I'd like to say it's going to be easier to breed a cider apple, but I'm not so sure that would be the case.
@Will_Spence
@Will_Spence 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult it's a seedling of the true Dabinett which came out true in terms of flavour, but with better vigour, disease resistance and a darker colour. I think that may also be a cause for its lack of popularity as the very similar tasting parent is one of, if not the the most, commonly grown apple trees in this country; so why bother with the child. It's funny that you say that about Dabinett. I don't grow it myself, but it's said to be a very good and reliable orchard performer though slightly small. I suppose that's the importance of climate, one of the most highly regarded apples in the world is outright bad elsewhere. It's a shame the isn't more data, what little there is is almost entirely anecdotal.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
@@Will_Spence It's a weird apple here. Granted it is growing under very rough conditions, but so are many others. It will sometimes bloom extremely late, in late June, and maybe it needs a pollinator to bear well because of that, I don't know. I think it has produced a very small amount of fruit. I think I remember everyone saying that it was awesome culturally and good, though not the very highest level of quality, but popular more for the growing traits, productivity etc. I've stopped growing any cider apples now and figured if I make any cider, it should probably be with multi-purpose varieties.
@PuertoricanPatriot1
@PuertoricanPatriot1 5 жыл бұрын
Hey there what county are you located in?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 5 жыл бұрын
Mendo, but we have quite a few different climates. On the coast there isn't enough chill for many apples and they behave completely different than inland. In the interior valleys, it's super dry and hot and that will make other apples fail to perform. I'm in the middle, higher up, with cooler average temps and nights.
@darfjono
@darfjono 6 жыл бұрын
you still spitting all of them or did you get that sorted with your doc?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I've been able to start eating some fruit. I rarely just eat apples straight, but sometimes I do now. Fingers crossed.
@Ghost2743
@Ghost2743 6 жыл бұрын
Why no McIntosh genetics anywhere? They're a late apple, and red fleshed fairly often. Just not a fan of their tender, lemony goodness?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
It's just not on my radar. It is pretty unusual variety out here and I've never grafted it. Where do you live, and when is it at it's peak off the tree. It would have to be at it's best no earlier than around mid December to really get my interest.
@Ghost2743
@Ghost2743 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult I haven't any experience myself, September here in the cold east though apparently, long storing apple as well. Perhaps it's not as aligned with your interests as mine, as it's my fav. Got a bunch of seeds saved up. ;)
@CliffLambson
@CliffLambson 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos. Very enjoyable. Please get a mic. Very poor audio quality. Not a complaint, just an FYI.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's pretty bad sound on the go pro. I rarely use the go pro actually, but it's really convenient for run and gun. A lav mic and recorder are the gear list eventually, but it also creates more post production work and sometimes all I can really pull off is grabbing the go pro and shooting. I also want to get a better go pro or similar action cam, hopefully with better sound. None of that is going to happen for a while probably.
@aldredske6197
@aldredske6197 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve!!😀😀 Good to see you my friend!! How have you been feeling? Have you gotten your limes under control? You're looking good. Take care man!!😀😀 Your friend Al.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Al. No, I'm still sick most of the time unfortunately. Otherwise I would probably do at least a video every week. I've been working on fixing up a better place to live too some of the time.
@aldredske6197
@aldredske6197 6 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult :) Wow man that sucks!!! I've been thinking about and had been wondering how you were. I hope you get to feeling better one of these days!!! That dam limes really sucks!!! Take care my friend!!😀😀😀
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