Tasting The Improbable: Coffee Grown In The UK

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[@aidanhorne6241]

"I'll try not to slurp too loudly" ... THWOOOOOP

[@theductductgoose]

I literally was trying to think of how to write out such a sound to make this comment, then I scroll down and of course someone beat me to it

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

130dB slurrrrp

[@saint-cetacean]

[Dyson vacuum noises]

[@spacebiggles]

I feel a remix coming on

[@LeonanClaro]

I've really laughed loud at this moment, haha

[@thomashewlett277]

“Not unpleasant..” A resoundingly British coffee.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Lol

[@sayhello363]

This is exactly what all of us British people would say. Love a good insult. :)

[@ranjanbiswas3233]

Not unpleasant = BAD.

[@patrickray7434]

ROFL

[@COLDB33R]

"Inoffensive" would have been just as British.

[@sabelch]

My mom had a ~5ft tall potted coffee bush in her house in Canada. One christmas it fruited. Curious, I picked the berries, soaked them in water, painstakingly peeled each one, and roasted the green beans in a popcorn maker based on instructions I'd read online. The yield was a similar amount--enough for a small cup of coffee. I gulped it down and simply noted that it tasted like coffee. Never realized how special that was until now!

[@tom-lord]

> I gulped it down If there's one thing I've learned from Hoffmann, it's to always slurp loudly. That's where you went wrong.

[@naboroux18]

I have wasted occasions! Had a coffee tree about the same size for 15 years, yielded fruits twice a years! Bugs killed it. I was afraid it would not be arabica. (Also from Canada)

[@GygasDistruttore]

You drunk coffee that tasted like coffee? MEIN GOTT. Ah, it was grown in Canada. It was impossible coffee, then.

[@Hazelcake]

@@naboroux18 ROBUSTA IS LOVE ROBUSTA IS LIFE

[@nineteendelta770]

The coffee I grow at home is awful. It taste like a low altitude grown coffee.

[@kanderson5555]

James Hoffman in 2050 'Tasting the improbable: coffee grown in Greenland' "it doesn't have those citrusy, very floral notes that you tend to fall in love with those really great washed Scottish coffees, but it's not unpleasant"

[@JayPFrancis]

Line of the day

[@suitrBJ]

Love dark humour

[@Tridd666]

God I hope so I keep getting hyped for global warming and seal level rise but liberal whackjobs keep cucking me with wrong models and fraudulent predictions

[@nawapolachawanantakul5850]

Made my day

[@jaysea1553]

your not far wrong there global warming is already happening look around you

[@rbaulor]

As someone originally from Costa Rica, it’s very eye-opening to see you be appreciative of coffee grown, harvested, and roasted where you live. Makes me feel more grateful for the bounty in my proverbial backyard.

[@sterlingveil]

In order to make a cup of coffee from scratch you must first create the universe.

[@MajinXarris]

To create the universe you first need to create the thing before it.

[@savitbharadwaj4023]

@@MajinXarris wut?

[@MrDeamon1]

Carl?

[@alexcapone1028]

This is how high I want to be

[@justinmeasday8930]

Creation exnihilo, from nothing. The creator is outside of creation and therefore uncreated. There is no before because time is a product of creation.

[@tomwatts1632]

Still not convinced James actually likes coffee

[@zoeyloco]

Of course he doesn't. He fcking LOVES coffee.

[@Orgel1685]

"I don't 'like' food, I 'LOVE' it. If I don't 'LOVE' it, I don't swallow!!"

[@jasonyoung6420]

@@Orgel1685 That's what she said...

[@alexbaker4051]

@@SpirosK-fh7rm Yes you absolutely do. When you're an expert in something, just saying "I like it" is impossible, and even if you're not an expert it's just useless. You can't communicate what you're tasting to someone else, in this case an entire audience looking for this exact information, without giving the downsides as well.

[@aryasuri9421]

@@SpirosK-fh7rm Yes. It's almost like that's why he made this video..... to experiment

[@OSussannah]

I live on the Gold Coast in Australia. I had a coffee tree in a huge pot near my front door and it would fruit every year. Most people had no clue what it was but were fascinated when I told them. I harvested the berries each time and I still have a jar of the green beans. I finally got sick of watering the tree and sold it to a local coffee shop!

[@robertcarter8532]

6:38 James roasted the southwest UK more than they roasted their beans.

[@MegaCraigh]

Ayyyy we have the Cotswolds down here! If my UK grown coffee came from anywhere in England anyway, I'd prefer it from there.

[@lurklingX]

omg this made me laugh out loud for real. thank you! :D

[@SunflowerCrpm]

There is a project between a growers' association and a national coffee brand to have coffee grown in the Azores islands (Portugal) commercially available (at least?) nation-wide in the next 15 years. Local sale was predicted to start this year, but I assume a certain current event has put a bit of a dampener on things. (We are already the only place in Europe that grows tea, so I'm pretty excited to try this coffee tbh) Aside from that project, in the island of S. Jorge, there is already a café that sells espresso made from their locally grown beans.

[@timothe3781]

We went to that cafe after a long walk, and the coffee was really good :)

[@calmeilles]

The only place in Europe that grows tea… apart from Tregothnan tregothnan.co.uk/ Germany liu-tea-art.com/ and most recently Scotland teagardensofscotland.co.uk/

[@tomassantos1847]

Orgulho tuga

[@ipedros7]

Can you imagine it in Ilha do Pico (Island)?..

[@davecastle1095]

Tea has been grown in Tregothnan, Truro, Cornwall in England for over 20 years and sold commercially for over 15, so you are not the only place in Europe to grow it.

[@philliptrzcinski5243]

I'm sure Roastworks had a hunch that you might share this experience with us, so thank you to them (and you) for doing this. I'm also sure they knew this would never be a perfect coffee, and most people would be scared to put this out there, so double thanks. A lovely video, really made me smile to see people just doing something for the love of it and to see what happens.

[@codybrown6829]

I've been nurturing two trees down here in New Zealand for the past 8 years and this year they finally flowered and one has cherries, hopefully they ripen nicely!

[@Expert1911]

Don't waste it! Get another cup with your COFFEE CYCLER! : P

[@MrDanimalcracker]

Might melt a hole in the new studio setup. D:

[@JorgeAlvarado-nx9tv]

Ok, this coffe smells like coffee. Well done guys.

[@DavidM828]

Tried your coffee company’s coffee in a nice wee cafe in Edinburgh today. Made for a lovely little flat white!

[@aofjaysjayofas8378]

Wellington Coffee?

[@DavidM828]

aofjays jayofas yep. Was surprised to see it in that tiny place actually. Great wee spot!

[@a55a551n90]

​@@DavidM828 wee lil spot for a wee lil scot

[@borb1921]

D M love Wellington coffee!

[@jameshoffmann]

Wellington is a fantastic cafe, they've been doing an amazing job for around a decade now!

[@Ooftindustrys]

I was lucky enough to try a sl-28 grown at Edinburgh botanical gardens once, it was terrible haha and it very quickly showed how important the processing skills and terroir of each farm were

[@robinhill4907]

This is great! Live in Sydney and have 4 coffee bushes in pots in the garden. Manage to get a few cups of raw beans and after all the work, I now appreciate how much is done by the farmers to give us the beautiful beans.

[@philippr5352]

“Let’s try not to slurp too loudly.” *acoustically sucks eardrum out through your ear*

[@greg4629]

this is actually such a weird channel it only just hit me

[@jameshoffmann]

I'm honestly kind of freaked out that more people haven't noticed...

[@hjelliottca]

@@jameshoffmann I've noticed, but it's one thing I enjoy about this. I can't even remember why I started watching, I was probably searching for something espresso or french press related and was just intrigued by the content and the delivery.

[@amateur6917]

It's weird and wonderful all at the same time.

[@naboroux18]

We noticed! Didn’t want to jinx it! I started with the espresso rant. It’s a highly addictive channel

[@gabriellemariecauchon2908]

@@jameshoffmann never been more enthralled watching someone smell coffee

[@TheLucasIversen]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on Nepali coffee! The climate in Nepal is amazing, but the Nepalese coffee has previously had a bad reputation because the coffee growing industry is still quite young there, and the farmers might not be as skilled in terms of processing and picking the beans as the farmers in more well known countries, but Nepal has a huge potential for great coffee in my opinion!!

[@howey935]

I really like watching people who are passionate about their subject and James is very calming to watch.

[@jamesjackson2707]

Looks like a nice spoon. The depth of colour you look for in a great spoon.

[@timma_thy]

Love the Union Jack and God Save the Queen in the background for a second. 😂

[@yuzo5630]

and we have a very special guest today..... Her Majesty the Queen

[@dankruvand4937]

Great bit. Like watching Jeremy Clarkson review a Jaguar.

[@clericneokun]

I honestly thought he was setting up for some kind of Food Wars style reaction for a second there. 😂

[@awogbob]

This guy is really on the come up, just hitting videos and video concepts out of the park weekly. So excited to have subbed!

[@CoOkIEMaNiAc911]

you know what i love about James video? The way he explain and express his love for such a simple product for some people but for us coffee lovers, and my self a sommelier, a beautiful and complex beverage with tons of aroma and background to explore. i can feel the love he puts in a cup/ a video through my screen ! thanks you james for your time and effort! You are the best

[@vincedgus11]

James just adds this extra joy into anything coffee. Always excited for your new videos!

[@harrytdyer3293]

I've been impressed by coffee from the Philippines. Was not expecting to find any out there, but was really impressed by what I found. Worth trying to seek it out

[@oxoelfoxo]

From which part of the Philippines? Lots of coffee growing areas with different elevations

[@thebeemd1470]

Lovely to see your trying coffee. My best brews come from following this channels advice. Thanks James!

[@wildtame3823]

I have just a couple days ago found James' videos, having never heard of him before. Thank you for the wonderful content. As a coffee lover from an early age, I appreciate the education.

[@marcusannegarn8497]

Great to see Roastworks getting some light ! By far the best coffee that is available in UK supermarkets. The coffees I have bought directly from them has also been really nice and good value.

[@TZerot0]

Amazing, I actually just love watching people who really know coffee, cup and talk about it

[@IanLoughead]

My local roaster had a huge coffee tree in their shop and would do a small batch of coffee for staff each year (Nova Scotia, Canada). I didn't get to taste it, but I did get a cherry from the tree and now have 2 good sized coffee plants growing away at home. Maybe one day I'll get to harvest.

[@chanellegranlund7890]

I love how he emphasizes that he wants us to leave the free stuff for those who can’t afford it so more people can enjoy coffee with us!

[@thedanalcantara]

Just ordered my kit, can’t wait for the tasting!

[@stacybrown6546]

I could listen to you all day. You have such a beautiful spirit. I heard about you from another KZbin channel, Simon and Martina. Really enjoy the level of research you put into your videos. Your work is very enjoyable. Thank you for all of your efforts to give us a pleasant experience.

[@bobbyomari5500]

Got my Square Mile coffee, signed copy of The World Atlas of Coffee, and cupping spoon today! Opened the shipping box and bam, the smell of coffee was amazing. Was pleasantly surprised with the Filter Blend sample! So excited for the world's largest coffee tasting and my first time participating! Thank you for making this such an inclusive experience and for the wonderful coffee ❤️

[@Megallicafan18]

had a good chuckle over the first time you tasted it

It's amazing to see this, being able to cultivate a plant outside of its natural climate, to a state where it could bear fruit and do so well. I'd definitely be interested in hearing of coffee that is unconventionally grown like this one. I can't say that I've had the opportunity to try something like it, though. But it is interesting, I grew up and live in Puerto Rico and, at least locally, we take great pride in our coffee production and consumption. I personally am relatively new to the specialty coffee space, and coffee in general. But I am interested in comparing local coffees, that aren't perhaps as often the subject of discourse, with coffees that are more well known. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to the world's largest coffee tasting event, not being able to participate last year. I already bought my kit, and I look toward learning about new and interesting tastes and comparing it to local coffees.

[@florianbecker8312]

Hey James , its so nice That u Share this Video with us. U so Kind 👍 greetz from Germany

[@TravelGeeq]

I was so legitimately happy for you to try such a thing. I enjoy your videos so much.

[@kwok57]

Can't wait for Pt.2 where this coffee is run once more through the Coffee Cycler.

[@jacquesdemolay5171]

@5:50 Nice touch. Put a smile on my face.

[@Voodoo_Robot]

"Smells like coffee". Ladies and gentlemen, we have an expert here.

[@ChristopherMichaelR]

Im from the US and ordered the tasting kit and a bag of Sweet Shop. Really excited to try your coffee!

[@anonimushbosh]

Impossible burgers... Improbable coffee... Oh come on coffee, is that the best you got??

[@fakindinosaur3949]

Man you are the best I swear so pleasing to watch your videos

[@michaelarighi5268]

Fascinating! Probably about 50 years ago, I used to patronize a small roaster in San Francisco, CA. Freed, Teller, and Freed. They've been gone now for ~40 years, but had been there for probably the preceding 50 years. At the time, one of the few places to get good, varietal coffee. On the wall, they had a small glassine envelope with about 20 coffee beans in it, carefully labeled as "San Francisco grown coffee." I have to believe it came out of the wonderful old Conservatory of Flowers in Golden Gate Park, a classic Victorian glass-domed conservatory, with some wonderful old species in it. Never got a chance to taste the coffee, of course. Probably just as well.

[@vlmxs]

Thank you James!

[@WightKnight]

That red t-shirt makes you look like an alternate universe version of Tom Scott

[@ArnoldDarkshner99]

Much more handsome but with weaker eyesight.

[@user-ow1jh8yb5j]

Much less boring

[@Ian_Kaos]

We have a grower in New Zealand now starting up. I plan to have a go if I can find the right piece of land, so expect a bag in the post in a few years James.

[@robertlrosekranssr7409]

You’re awesome Sir !! Giving away kits is extremely generous !!

[@jackfotrades]

I really like this content. James’ honesty and his insistence on being upfront about sponsored stuff is refreshing.

[@IllusionaryVoice]

Thank you James for having this contest, I really wanted to join in but the international shipping made it hard to afford. But now I have a chance to not be jealous of my buddy in Wales that ordered a kit

[@ginaslevinsky8906]

Before I was a coffee drinker, I visited a coffee plantation in Guatemala. I picked some coffee from the trees and LOVED the fruit! So tasty!

[@DovidM]

It is interesting that you mentioned Kew Gardens as that is the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thumbnail for the video.

[@akshaynigam9729]

Just bought two kits! One for me and one for my sis who lives all the way in Australia - really looking forward to be able to do this with her. All my coffee geekiness and excitement comes from her .. and of course from James Hoffman too ... and my partner (she is right next to me as a i type this and isn't pleased she's #3 on the list)

[@mistclick3899]

The joke with the flag came through really well

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Pretty cool video fun and informative thank you

[@klas666]

From what I know, there were attempts to grow coffee in Russia (around Sochi) back in Soviet times, but one frosty winter killed off all the trees in a couple of decades. I'm sure there are some enthusiasts growing coffee indoors, but I wouldn't count that.

[@colinmclean6900]

Love the passion

[@tom-lord]

The way he handled that coffee, you'd think it was grown on the ISS.

[@hendrang1]

if you only have 12.5 grams of coffee on hand and no more.

[@Diablo-D3]

Can't get any higher elevation than that.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Better than ISS, its British.

[@JesseCohen]

Can’t see, given the parameters, that if it had been ISS coffee, he’d have handled it any different really.

[@calmeilles]

Bring on the day when the ISS, or some worthy successor, is self-sufficient in coffee.

[@dirkp3480]

I did not expect the price to be so reasonable for the coffee tasting. I joined right away. 1.10 Pounds for shipping to Germany, very nice!

[@universe2823]

What's this for?

[@emilyoneill4389]

I feel like he has the perfect voice for a meditation app like headspace. It's making me feel sleepy. 😂

[@hillogical]

In the US I won't get a chance to visit anytime soon. Glad I already signed up for the tasting. Can't wait!

[@segamble1679]

Ordered 10 kits for the coffee tasting!!! So stoked to represent Alberta, Canada at this thing.

[@roxerg]

when you join world's largest coffee tasting you join world's loudest coffee slurping

[@apeacebone6499]

The slurp heard 'round the world

[@TheRock-zb8zs]

On the canary islands (more specific on La Palma) there is a project to boost the coffee industry, the "island government" distributed coffee plants to farmers and they grow it all over the island to test out the best regions for growing coffee. One big influence on that is the spanish barista champion Rayco Rodriguez, who is from La Palma and is operating a Cafe/roastery there. And my parents (the moved there recently) have two coffee bushes in their garden, I just helped them harvest the cherries a couple of months ago. Really exciting!

[@jons2447]

Hello, Jim; Thank you for all you do, I sincerely appreciate your generosity. [I'm on disability, so poor.] I subscribed because COFFEE! I've learned from you. I hope to try some Georgia-grown coffee in the next year or 2. I've been promised either a few plants or seeds, don't really know which. If that fails I'll buy some seeds or plants for my habit. I'm planning ahead for when our supply lines fail. Since I'm on disability I'm looking for ways to continue life. Coffee, coconuts, olives, & other tropical items are on my future growing list. Just hope the heat lasts long enough. Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!

[@JustGeenuh]

I’m learning so much from your videos! ☺️🙏

[@jeremyromand]

James!! You made me extend my lunch break!! Couldn't save it for later...

[@MidwinterMinis]

Just as I sit down with an espresso. Perfect timing!

[@momirpesic4828]

Yooo i love your videos Guy, i really got into them during lock down! I really hope you get to have a battle with Henry Cavil :D

[@nawapolachawanantakul5850]

Midwinter's dip wash must be made from coffee

[@Yannik2511]

You sit down with an espresso? :D It's gone way too quick isn't it?

[@corismaster7168]

Sit down with an espresso...gangster...it's made to enjoyed on the go

[@HyperionHelstrand]

This explains so much as to why these videos were recommended to me.

[@chrism95]

"Try not to slurp too loudly" Has james learned nothing from the tasting live stream

[@user-il2ue2ip1f]

When that one random person paid for a slurp 💀

[@Quatsch82]

I went to Nepal about a year ago and it turned out, they produce some interesting coffee too.

[@sprankton]

I heard a while back about a project to grow coffee in Georgia.(the U.S. state, not the country) I haven't heard much about them since then, but it might be worth a look.

[@2wfit]

Love it!

[@catherine_404]

In Russia where I'm from I saw coffee growing in botanical gardens in their greenhouses. And it fruits nicely, they definitely have a large coffee plant in the main botanical garden. I don't know for sure, but I expect at least one curious botanist to taste their coffee. It's not very difficult to provide suitable climate for coffee within a greenhouse, it's just visitors are not interested in looking at coffee plantation, orchids and azaleas look much more attractive.

[@I.identify.as.a.TescoBag]

this bloke’s taste buds are capable of tasting the union jack, im impressed

[@ConstantThrowing]

Victorian greenhouse near me in South Wales has a coffee plant that flowers and fruits.

[@Verethill18]

I've learned something new as well today.

[@lesliefoster9027]

Just got into coffee, ground my first beans yesterday.

[@rbhis000]

Good for you! You have a lifetime of learning and enjoyment ahead of you. And you're aloud to slurp, too!

[@hhmm89]

I’ve had coffee grown in China. It was surprisingly nice, had a lot of similar tasting notes and colour as well made black tea.

[@Isabelagug]

The building where I used to live in Brazil has a huge garden area with a bunch of plants. There were about 5 coffee trees there (the altitude in my city is 900m). I used to be so curious to taste that coffee! I suspect it was Canephora, because man, were those trees huge (3m at least). Unfortunately, that was not possible of course - people were allowed to pick the cherries - but I cannot picture those being processed properly (at least not by me) without all the space, equipment and technique for it.

[@coffeecrewco6371]

Sweet video!!

[@mohanty6741]

Your voice is very soothing.

[@mindjam5320]

The funny thing is that right at the moment where I was thinking whether anyone grows coffee in Russia, you answered that question in the video! I jumped in y chair when I heard that line. I've googled afterwards, and they actually do grow coffee in my country! In Sochi! I don't know how to get hold of it yet, but I'll try to find out...

[@sparklingwater399]

Опа-опа, а название компании есть?

[@mindjam5320]

@@sparklingwater399 не сохранил, к сожалению, информацию в закладки, а сейчас не могу снова найти. Только про Адлерскую опытную сельскохозяйственную станцию имени Вавилова ищется, что там выращивают.

[@sparklingwater399]

@@mindjam5320 окей, все равно спасибо)

[@Dettorer]

Interesting, and I'm very curious about the carbon footprint of this kind of coffee, the shorter transportation can offset the energy and resources involved in recreating the desired climate for the coffee to grow, but it might not be enough.

[@MegaCraigh]

James mentioned they have an AC running so that might not do a whole lot environmentally. The CO2 emissions per unit mass of coffee using an AC probably comfortably exceed the energy required to transport it. But roasting the coffee might be the most energy intensive part of production anyway, and that step is not really avoidable.

[@jameshoffmann]

I suspect any transport gains would be crushed by the additional energy of AC or temperature management for the plant.

[@MegaCraigh]

@michael Please expand...

[@brisbaneplumberau]

@@MegaCraigh no no, just wait a short ten years like they said. I'm sure it'll hit you like a lightening bolt exactly 3650 days from now.

[@MegaCraigh]

@@brisbaneplumberau I'd just rather be prepared is all. I need to know the extent of the damage. Should I buy all the carbonated drinks I can get my hands on? Is that enough? Perhaps dry ice? Or should I just go ahead and get the biggest backyard fuel tank I can and fill it with diesel? These are the questions I hope to have answered.

[@luisleon5995]

I would love to see James trying coffee from Puerto Rico, there is a lot of great coffee being grown in the island. I think it would be nice to hear from you and to let the world know a little about the coffee from this island.

[@BGazzah]

Here in Belfast, in the botanical gardens there is a coffee plant that I have seen fruiting a few times, but very few small fruits. i doubt if anyone has ever tired roasting it.

[@granddeity]

I have a small coffee tree in my house at 8500ft in Colorado USA. It has been producing berries for a few months. We have been picking them as the ripen. I hope to roast them when I get enough for a cup.

[@martj.1350]

I used to work at a cafe as a student that had a tall potted robusta tree next to the entrance (southern Germany, so no great terroir either). The tree did flower and it did produce cherries, but only a small hand full spread out over the summer months. I remember nibbling on the cherries and thinking it would be nice to be able to process them. Thank you for sharing your impressions on the UK grown coffee, it makes me think I would have had equivalent results.

[@colinwendt9992]

I love those cups

[@darekkong7198]

I still have a kilo of beans my girlfriend's mate brought back from Brazil last year. She said they were excellent value. It says 'gourmet' on the bag. I'd be happy to send them to you to try.

[@JamesDunwoody1]

Just ordered my tasting kit, delivering to Australia... wondering if it will make it in time. Fun to try even if it’s late.

[@Zengo38]

@James Hoffmann have you tried coffee from Puerto Rico? Here we have many great coffee beans, especially those grown at the center of the island as it's cool and high in the mountains. The best ones are sold in a coffee festival ("Festival del Acabe"), that have many types of beans.

[@ethimself5064]

I trust u ran the java through a fine strainer before sampling it. All in all, what a great idea as I'm convinced that one can grow anything well in a controlled environment. Ha, even us. 👍👍

[@deanflet973]

Hello from Lake Tahoe California.☕👊😎✌🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@wukris]

Swiss Water's head office in Burnaby has a number of coffee trees that flower and fruit multiple times a year. You could easily harvest enough cherry for a sample roast. Convincing someone to do the work picking and processing the coffee is a different story!

[@deepakbehal4617]

Very Interesting !

[@fakhrih6973]

tq james

[@brisbaneplumberau]

My wife and I have grown, roasted and drank coffee from Brisbane Australia. We've got some very small coffee producers about 1.5 hours north and south as well, but we're about 5MASL so we certainly don't have great terroir or that height for density. We've got 3 trees going strong however!