TAVELO AROW - The Best Chinese Bike I’ve Ridden

[@benhardwick1970]

You’re on fire 🔥 today Patrick! I’m white and I season my food well so you know 😂 That cracked me up though! Great video as always

[@PatrickLino]

I'm howling hahahaha 🤣

[@benhardwick1970]

@ I’m a white British guy who grew up with West Indians in London, mum has a life long illness so lived with mostly black people, spent a large part of my life thinking everyone seasoned their food, moisturised from head to toe daily, drank nourishment and super malt and kissed their teeth! So your line was golden for me as I see it so clearly!

[@bcm1013]

I was about to say I season my food then saw your comment. Too damn funny Patrick. Sweet ride so hoping you get out there on it more soon! I am heading to Chicago on business in early January and was thinking of taking a bike but nah! ❄ Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

[@Engineerbydey]

@@benhardwick1970 Your comments was golden. I'm Jamaican so I kiss my teeth on a regular.

[@galenkehler]

Thanks for the shout out! As i sit here eating my delicious unseasoned chicken 😂😂😂

[@PatrickLino]

@@galenkehler What about poutine!? 🤣

[@galenkehler]

@PatrickLino maybe with a glass of milk, poutine is too spicy for me 🥵🥵🥵🥵

[@PatrickLino]

@@galenkehler 🤣🤣 im cracking up!

[@carlhicks3491]

Hate that for you!

[@matthewavignonpetersen5893]

Made my day with this banter, dude - BBC stem?! 🤣 Great video and sweet whip. Can't wait for some longer-term thoughts after you've thrashed this thing for a season.

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks Matthew! Yeah man this bike is going in the permanent collection. It might actually be just barely warm enough to ride outdoors day after x-mas. We shall see!

[@matthewavignonpetersen5893]

@@PatrickLino No such hope up here in Minneapolis, but we can dream. Last winter I got out on the road bike all 12 months on the year which was the first time in my life that happened. Cheers, my friend. 🖖

[@PatrickLino]

For Reference: Tarmac Pro SL8 frame weight 827g. Tavelo Arow 1014g. That's just a 187g weight difference. Those No.6 50/58 wheels only weigh 1300g. Shimano Di2 12sp groupset weighs less than equivalent Sram Force D2 on my SL8.

[@terrillford7784]

Channel dope asf. Between you and Luis, I appreciate yall

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks bro! Make sure to tell Luis the same.

[@terrillford7784]

@PatrickLino Luis already know that's my guy. Wish yall would do a bike review for the heavyweights lol

[@PatrickLino]

@@terrillford7784 Define heavyweight haha

[@terrillford7784]

@PatrickLino 220lbs plus

[@Pedaler]

yooooooooooo epic video 💪

[@PatrickLino]

@@Pedaler mama we made it!

[@ianboltron]

New viewer here. You're doing a great job in this space. It's hard to find high quality videos on non western brands. Keep it up!

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks Ian! Have a great rest of your week!

[@duncancycles]

Great video Patrick ….Merry Christmas 🎄🎁

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks Duncan! See you on Zwift!

[@davidnicholson6680]

Great video, keep it up Patrick. Hopefully I see you on a ride next year, come out to the Western burbs again!

[@PatrickLino]

@@davidnicholson6680 I’m overdue for an EMC/B4D4WN ride. Thanks for watching!

[@blakebullock9656]

You deserve a lot more subscribers Patty! Keep up the good work and merry Xmas!

[@PatrickLino]

That's very kind of you. Thanks Blake! Have a great week.

[@RideWithGerben]

"Slash 16.000 kilometers" Loved that!

[@PatrickLino]

@@RideWithGerben did it for you, from last time!

[@Peregrino.51]

Great video, great content and infectious attitude!

[@Peregrino.51]

please be nice to why peepoh

[@CycoWarriorx]

The intro with all those ills… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🙌🏽

[@PatrickLino]

If you don't see me in 2025, you'll know what happened 🤣

[@CycoWarriorx]

@ 😂

[@oliverdowd1978]

Looks pretty good. I'm really curious to try a full high end Chinese build

[@PatrickLino]

Lots of a great options from the Far East now.

[@JibbaJabber]

@3:00 Preach!! That's why they call it a cockpit! 😂

[@PatrickLino]

@@JibbaJabber aye yooo 🤣

[@dchan328]

An early Merry Christmas from HK. Thanks for sharing🎄

[@PatrickLino]

Thank you!

[@VladimirYanovsky]

Nice hat! I like this color )) It's always fun and helpful to watch your videos! Hello from Russia!

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks Vlad!

[@michaeldefelice6198]

I would love your thoughts on the tideace ares, no one seems to have done a thorough review yet! Their custom paint options also look pretty sick.

[@PatrickLino]

I've spoken to Eddie at Tideace at couple of times. Hoping we can work something out for 2025.

[@gregkane8635]

That’s a good looking bike - silhouette very like the propel

[@PatrickLino]

Keeping both frames is a difficult decision.

[@cochise6345]

@@PatrickLinoWhich one will you pick?

[@PatrickLino]

@@cochise6345 Tavelo

[@youtube_chose_word_for_you]

2025 the golden era of aero

[@spncycleph9197]

Try Seka Spear bro

[@PatrickLino]

@@spncycleph9197 Seems even customers can’t get their hands on one.

[@DaveSS650]

New to your channel and enjoying it. I don't believe I heard a comparison on road feel /comfort between the Tevelo and the Canyon Aeroad??

[@PatrickLino]

I didn't get as much time as I wanted with the Aeroad. However, the Tavelo is slightly more comfortable. The Aeroad would be slightly faster though.

[@aldrinclementina4297]

Thanks once again for sharing bro. Season Greetings. 👋🏽 🎄🇨🇼

[@PatrickLino]

I appreciate a you bro! Let me borrow some of that warm weather. Have a great week off!

[@juhanipalosaari6945]

thanks for the stem length tip!

[@TheCyclissimo]

"It can be easy for someone who's new to my channel to think I don't push my bikes to their limits.... and they would be right."

[@PatrickLino]

According to a few folks you race with...you're not very good at pushing your bikes to the limit either. Without crashing or getting dropped.

[@TheCyclissimo]

@ can confirm. They get pulled before me and have the best view.

[@RideNowKen]

You should include the preworkout pancakes!

[@PatrickLino]

Next video!

[@dna642]

See you on the path 😁😊

[@PatrickLino]

@@dna642 Make sure to WAVE back!

[@noamharari2409]

Thank you Patrick Hot it compares in your opinion to yours Yishun frame experience?

[@PatrickLino]

My Yishun is going strong. The Tavelo as you can expect is more refined on the road.

[@marcinstyle85]

Do you planning to review some proper titanium frameset ?

[@PatrickLino]

@@marcinstyle85 Funny you ask. I had plans to build up a road Ti frame from Blackheart. But they sold out of my size. I have their road alloy coming, with the road Ti shipping in the spring.

[@marcinstyle85]

@@PatrickLino 🤩💪😃

[@klpinvestments]

Bro u get a new bike like every week.

[@PatrickLino]

@@klpinvestments Bike reviewers doing bike review things 😭

[@raealcoriza2549]

BbC? Big black cockpit?🧐

[@PatrickLino]

Aye yooooo hahaha

[@verdyaprillio9983]

How does it compare to Seka Spear RDC & Winspace T1550?

[@PatrickLino]

I have not ridden anything from Seka.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

Looks so cool with the Elite Drive Helix…!!

[@PatrickLino]

11 out of 10 in aero looks

[@chompchomp111]

Hi Patty, how to the No.6 50/58 compare to the CRW CS5060 on ride feel? I have narrowed my new wheelset to one of these two sets.

[@PatrickLino]

@@chompchomp111 Video soon come

[@aneczka2114]

Great video, thanks

[@spartanbike2260]

which tavelo arow do you have the super light or the regular one ?

[@PatrickLino]

The standard one.

[@ConstantinRebouskos]

Great Video! On the topic of chinese one piece handlebars having a longer stem: I am considering getting the farsports f1s handlebar for my Giant Propel (sad to see it replaced 😢) and now I am concerned wether the 110 version of it would be significantly longer than the 110 giant stem I already have on it. Do you have any insight on this?

[@PatrickLino]

Yes. Best practice is to assume Chinese branded one piece cockpits are at least 5mm longer than advertised. You also need to look at the actual handlebar "reach" specs compared to the reach on your current bars. I recall Farsports has a reach of 77mm.

[@ConstantinRebouskos]

Thanks for the quick answer ❤

[@decoherence926]

Sweet ride my man. As a fellow Chicago local, this weather sucks. Do you do any indoor riding?

[@PatrickLino]

@@decoherence926 I am all about Zwift. Absolutely love it ha. Thanks for watching!

[@bobareturned]

Have you ridden the new quick pro frame?

[@PatrickLino]

no

[@thejeffinvade]

And I have seen people on Reddit having trouble with Magene P505 power meter rubbing 105 di2 front derailleur cage, because it’s crankarm is straight vs the curvy shimano cranks with larger Q factor. I have a giant defy 2023 with ultegra Di2 12s, what is the gap like between your Magene crankarm and ultegra front derailleur?

[@PatrickLino]

I have not had any issue like that. I follow the recommended FD gap Shimano's user manual.

[@thejeffinvade]

@@PatrickLino I am not talking about the horizontal gap between the chainring and the lower edge of derailleur cage, I am talking about the vertical gap between the crankarm and the outer plate of the front derailleur. Since you had 500k on the setup already, I assume the gap is larger than 1-2mm?

[@valtterivalkky]

How'd you say it compares to the Winspace T1550? More compliant? I'm currently trying to find the perfect affordable frame for ny next build.

[@PatrickLino]

The Tavelo Arow is dynamically more balanced. Similarly stiff, but the back end of the Tavelo doesn't get disrupted by rough pavement the way the T1500 does. But both are fast in a straight line as you can imagine.

[@MReese1964]

What is the width of the tires on this build?

[@PatrickLino]

28c stretches to 30 at the rim

[@ivanyhtang]

Brooo what are thoseeee?! 😂 Real talk though, do you prefer spider based power meters over pedal power meters and why? Happy holidays!

[@PatrickLino]

Spider based power meters are lighter, cheaper, and have less rotational mass/weight than PM pedals. But PM pedals are convenient if you need to swap to various bikes. I have a set of PM pedals I take with me whenever I travel.

[@dna642]

I was going to say that he doesn't have that elite build. I'm a very strong rider don't want to crack that bad fella 😆

[@PatrickLino]

hahahaha

[@thejeffinvade]

how tall are you? What is your original crank arm length? I am 5’9 buying a Magene power meter, thinking about getting 165mm cranks

[@PatrickLino]

I'm 6 feet tall (183cm). Short torso, very long arms. Went from 172.5 to 170 cranks. I had to increase my saddle height about 3-4mm so keep that in mind too.

[@thejeffinvade]

@@PatrickLino thanks for the reply. I also switched from 172.5 to 170, now I am thinking ever shorter to 165, must be the only thing keeping me from riding like Pogačar. Merry Christmas.

[@JImportante]

How tall are you in cm? 😊

[@PatrickLino]

183cm ❤️❤️

[@JImportante]

@PatrickLino i'm 188cm. So far riding size 56 and stem 110mm in my current cycle. In your opinion should I choose L or XL (i like riding in aero position)?

[@PatrickLino]

@@JImportante You'll need either a size XL or XXL - I use a size XL with a long stem cockpit. You're taller than me. It's best to compare the geometry chart to your current bike.

[@vincesorrentino7871]

Have you experienced any Wheel Wobble on those Wheels?

[@PatrickLino]

Nah. Is that thing?

[@vincesorrentino7871]

@PatrickLino I was asking because Chris Miller has said he has experienced it with those Wheel .

[@PatrickLino]

@@vincesorrentino7871 This is part of a larger discussion. But rider weight (lack there of) and the deep aero framed bikes don't play nicely with ultra light aero wheels. With that rider weight being the most critical part of the equation.

[@hannesstein]

Is this the same frame as the Nich Legend?

[@PatrickLino]

That was the Tavelo Attack

[@hannesstein]

@ thx for your quick reply. I’m thinking of getting an Arow. I’m however quite tall 191cm and that comes with some weight (90kg). Is the big stiff enough for bike guys like me?

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

🔥🔥🔥 (except the wheels, for me)

[@PatrickLino]

Which wheels? There were 4 different wheels featured in this video 😘hahaha

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

@PatrickLino lol soz the main ones, no 6. The others are 👌👌 especially those Enves!

[@PatrickLino]

@@U.s.e.r.3493 I know I know hahaha. Those ENVEs are sweeeeet.

[@mattgilmour9761]

Intro caught me off guard 😂

[@PatrickLino]

My neighbors were looking at me crazy lol

[@MrJaycobsen]

Enthusiast here 😁

[@PatrickLino]

Lets gooooo!

[@goldenretriever6261]

Mom would buy one, but the the head tube is too short....and theres a black dude out on our rides in Toronto on the coldest days.

[@PatrickLino]

DOUBLE WHAMMY

[@NoelyBob]

Waiting for some ick.

[@PatrickLino]

Stay tuned...

[@jimmynickelz]

"Did this ...... just say BBC stem?"😂😂😂😂😂

[@PatrickLino]

Aye yooo hahaha

[@jimmynickelz]

@PatrickLino It's def clean brah. "You know me, man. Cleanliness is next to godliness.” - Mitch

[@PatrickLino]

@@jimmynickelz You forgot the "money making" title LoL

[@jimmynickelz]

@PatrickLino "Money makin Sonny"- RIP

[@miivii]

We got the point. 😁

[@PatrickLino]

DO WE!? 🤣

[@yoannvillier9988]

So cool review but I contact random customer bike like you and I have nothing

[@PatrickLino]

@@yoannvillier9988 my apologies. I didn’t understand a single thing you said. Mind repeating?

[@Piter-bike]

show me how much you weigh this bike, because something doesn't seem right about the weight

[@PatrickLino]

@@Piter-bike I used a scale criminals use to weigh kilos of narcotics ❤️

[@ariffau]

8:17 you are absolute right. Especially when you ride 5-6 days a week, you can just tell how different anything is.

[@PatrickLino]

@@ariffau truthfully no one questions my ability to review bikes at this point. Its simply a gentle reminder ❤️

[@ariffau]

@ however, if you review a bike after 19,200km you could how’s the bike like to live with. But that’s about it.

[@bsbbernal]

I wonder how Jesse Coyle is gonna react to this review 😂

[@PatrickLino]

He will say I crashed out hahaha

[@travispyle2905]

I like my bikes like I like food... spicey. haha

[@PatrickLino]

aye yo hahahahaha

[@travispyle2905]

@@PatrickLino what spacer did you use above the tavelo bar. I may need to 3d print them or buy them somewhere.

[@PatrickLino]

@@travispyle2905 Just cheap carbon spacers from Amazon. Standard size.

[@travispyle2905]

@@PatrickLino thanks

[@TheCyclissimo]

This was a much more aggressive intro than I was expecting tbh

[@PatrickLino]

aggressive like my bike fit

[@Viamscience]

Look 795 intellectual property rip off made in a sweatshop. 👍🏼 Even the same colour.

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks for watching! ❤️

[@MasteringGrappling]

BBC Stem??? 😂😂😂😂

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

Noice

[@PatrickLino]

WE IN HERE!

[@OrbitalTrails-x5s]

Disc brakes on a road bike 🤣

[@PatrickLino]

😂😂😭

[@akmola1]

What was there about the girlfriend??

[@NP-kc5qd]

BBC 😂😂😂😂

[@MashiroRedo]

Tavelo + ENVE is a winner

[@PatrickLino]

@@MashiroRedo when the wheels cost $1000 MORE than the frame lol

[@ianusher2675]

Nice one , would consider this if I wasn’t so tight

[@PatrickLino]

tight?

[@ianusher2675]

@ careful with money 😂

[@Rastafrical13]

Look like propel

[@ozgurinsan]

Good luck finding spare parts two years later.

[@PatrickLino]

Have brands stopped supporting their customers long term, or are you just having a grumpy day?

[@DaveCM]

What spare parts are needed? Other than a rear derailleur hanger if it isn't UDH. You can buy a couple of spares when you buy the frame. You can always find bearings.

[@PatrickLino]

@ Obviously not as convenient as with a western brand. That’s the trade off for a frame costing at least $1000 less.

[@ozgurinsan]

@@DaveCM seatpost, seatpost clamp, fork, front mech hanger, headset spacers ,handlebar. For wheels ; spokes, axels, hub shells.

[@DaveCM]

@ozgurinsan order extra of you are worried. But, I've never had to replace a seat post because it broke or wore out in my 45 years of riding. As for the clamp and spacers, that is a problem after a while with any of the proprietary stuff. Even big manufacturers will stop making replacement parts after a while. As for the wheels, carbon spokes are more common and will be like steel spokes are now. Just go to a bike shop and they will replace it. Even DT Swiss is making hubs for carbon spokes. Hub shells? When they wear out, you replace the hubs and rebuild the wheel. You won't reuse the internals anyway. That is problematic. I've never seen anyone just replace the shell ever. By the way, the spacers and bar looks very much like the FSA setup.

[@Siroytjimmy]

Looks like a Canyon aeroad frame ,but Nice build bro.

[@PatrickLino]

Thanks for watching!

[@OralMaster]

long reach long stem hnnnnng

[@PatrickLino]

GYAT!

[@klein-concept]

Sounds like this will fix my relationship issues 🫶

[@PatrickLino]

No more having the "icks" !

[@klein-concept]

@PatrickLino about time 😈