Tavor TS12 vs DP-12

John compares two modern "cutting edge" shotguns!
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[@hickok45]

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[@telace1]

Have you ever reviewed the Tristar compact bull pup semi auto shotgun in not can you?

[@Godblessing777]

What’s a legit site I can get the dp12 shotgun

[@jamesclark4]

​@Godblessing777 I linked it but who knows if yt will allow the link just Google standard mfg

[@Ghostnotes1221]

Had the TS-12 for about 6 months now and to me turning the magazine away from your body is easier.Maybe it's my body mechanics but I have never had an issue with chambering,shooting or rotating the barrel. You do have to be mindful of the chambering with the auto feed if the bolt is open. The safe way until you get used to it is to: Bolt closed, load it, empty it, close the bolt then reload, then charge it. The release is something almost NO reviewer has gone over. It can be easy to accidentally chamber a round while loading. You also have to remember, the TS-12 is more geared towards the military as opposed to consumer. So generally there is a learning curve. I've put close to 2000 rounds downrange and so far it has not fouled on me. The earlier versions and a lot of the demo's would occasionally jam, but not so much now.

[@ag4allgood]

The TS 12 is not a shot gun you just pickup & start shooting. Reading the manual & learning to use the features with DUMMY Shot Gun Shells is a great way to get used to it BEFORE a range day. This is not your dad's Remington 870 !

[@brandonphillips2828]

I own DP-12 and the biggest problem would be a fast load. However, the major plus is you can use 1.75", 2.75", and 3" with absolute no problem. I loaded 24 short rounds 11 in each tube and chambered the last two. The DP-12 is very accurate with low recoil. I have fired the AR-12, KSG and Mossberg 500. The KSG could not handle the 1.75" and it jammed up pretty bad, the Mossberg 500 kick was two to three times harder than the DP-12 I used only 3", and the AR-12 was shooting 3" only, but was smooth.

[@fzr1000981]

Try UTS-15

[@ridered55x84]

I had a DP12 and currently have a TS12. Of the two in my opinion the TS12 is the better gun. One big the Jon didn’t touch on was disassembly, the DP would be a bitch to break down in the field but the TS12 is super simple to break down with no tools. I will say there is a learning curve with the TS, getting the timing down with the switch and tubes takes a few to get fast with it but once you get it it’s really fast. In pictures it looks awkward and bulky but it’s really not it’s almost identical size to my SAR. Really rocking shotgun and I have a case and a half through mine with zero malfunctions , also mine will even run the mini buckshot from Nobel sport so 7 in each tube!

[@redcowboy1986]

You can fire and load that TS12 at the same time......that is you can be at the ready while stuffing rounds by feel, that's smart.

[@Kimchi_TV_98]

You can do that with a pump or a Super-90 though.

[@baddgoat85]

Not with that DP12 you aren't

[@demapples6580]

@@Kimchi_TV_98 You can not fire rounds WHILE reloading with a pump buddy

[@marcmonge3704]

Yea. Take a lot of training to get that into muscle memory but that's a great point. Ts12 has a lot of controls to contend with while also trying to reload/shoot at the same time

[@m.m4982]

You can technically do that with any shotgun

[@loulagro2315]

I think it was clear that he had not spent much time getting acclimated to the TS12. With some range time firing a bunch of rounds, rotating the magazine becomes much more natural and intuitive, like anything else. Once that happens then you are really just comparing a pump shotgun with a semi auto and all the obvious differences therein. I'll take my TS12

[@bradyblack75]

I have a dp-12. It's built like a tank. Really high quality firearm. The pump and shoot twice mechanic did not take long to get used to, so don't let that dissuade you from considering it.

[@cd4playa1245]

Standard manufacturing is really high end. Do you still like this?

[@Roadking26]

I have to agree. The DP-12 is built like a tank, and has never failed to fire. It will eat everything you put through it. I have had some bad experiences with semi auto shotguns. The company that makes these also makes high end shotguns that are up in the $20,000+ price range. They have a patent on the steel they use for their barrels. The manual of arms is not that much different from a regular pump. Very easy to get used to. I don't agree with the loading he described. I can load mine like a normal shotgun.

[@nicholasplesko533]

I'd get the DP 12 if I could fire both barrels at once, even with an aftermarket modification. Double triggers or whatever.

[@Roadking26]

The trigger resets so fast it is pretty damn close to both at once

[@twistedyogert]

They look pretty complicated, does it get jammed often?

[@dickjohnson7845]

Tavor hands down. I have one, always goes bang. Tavor quality is spot on and this thing is a blast to shoot, it will have you giggling after 16 rounds.

[@VBH8888]

I like how the TS12 lets you alter ammo for example engaging close targets and moving around a corner only to discover opposition at a greater distance to switch to slug.

[@ag4allgood]

That is if your sure you know what tube has the slugs or maybe it has the bird shot or non lethal ?

[@trentononeill5493]

@@ag4allgood Shit, if it really comes down to that situation- I’m painting the tubes different colors lmao.

[@6packonlyripped604]

@@trentononeill5493 lol

[@anthonyl5425]

@@trentononeill5493I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@joshuasandine3791]

I would prefer the tavor. Great vid

[@tdata545]

I bought a Tavor, thing jams, it's super picky with its rounds. It needs magnum loads, or HEAVY loads. Made the mistake of trying clay target loads, since I had those in the car at the time. Since I wrongfully thought I was low on 12 gauge ammo, until recently when I discovered that I think 12 gauge is the ammo I have the most of. SO, I'll go back to the range today, with heavier and faster loads and try it with that. BUT Winchester Clay/Small Game loads, not so great. Was within spec of the gun, 1300FPS and 1.125OZ, just jammed. Might need high brass over low brass as well. OTHER THAN THAT, I love ti.

[@Texas-Goodspeed]

Always appreciate y’all from Texas ^^

[@tylerhill9483]

It seems like the magazine on the Tavor should have 4 or 5 tubes instead of 3. Watching youtube videos of guys rotating the magazine it looks like they are fumbling it a lot, because you have rotate it 120 degrees to get it in place. I am noticing that they grab the magazine twice to rotate it fully into place. If it had 5 tubes you would only have to rotate it 72 degrees, plus then you could hold 25 rounds in the magazine, but then the gun would be heavier. Another thing they could do on the Tavor is put a spring loaded mechanism to rotate the magazine automatically when the final round leaves the tube. The disadvantage though would be you would have to load the gun in a certain order as you rotate the magazine it winds up the spring. Would also need a cover guard around the magazine. The Tavor will then be true semi automatic for up to 15+ shots instead of 5 shots. I am guessing they will come out with a future upgraded version that will address this problem in some way. I would like to get a tavor ts12 though, but maybe I will wait for a new version that fixes these problems.

[@ag4allgood]

Agree on your points about the TS12.

[@loulagro2315]

People only fumble with the magazine because they're not used to it. This gun takes some practice to get really proficient operating it rapidly. Also like anything the rotary magazine gets broken in and rotates a little easier. I've had mine for prob 4 years now or more, and I can flip the magazine tubes quickly and in one single move. The gun is ridiculously fun to shoot, and the recoil is astonishingly minimal.

[@herpderp1662]

I have the TS12, KSG and a DP12. The DP12 is the best built by far. But the KSG is an overall better gun when not focusing on built quality and materials. The TS12 is what I would take into a fight. KSG guards the house.

[@marcmonge3704]

Super happy with the TS12. Sent 600-700 rounds down range so far. Very reliable past the short break-in period.

[@philthyrich1433]

@@marcmonge3704 DID YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT?

[@marcmonge3704]

@@philthyrich1433 Nope. Runs like a top. I don't think any semi-auto is gonna be as reliable as a pump but after the 100-150 round 'break-in' I haven't had any failures. Easy to field strip and clean too

[@joelsimms4636]

I'll take the pump! The semi auto seemed to be a little weird.

[@fightme8859]

joel simms Plus it’s manufactured by a government that sanctions the murder of unarmed children

[@Victorted]

I didn't realize it was manufactured in China. Thanks for the heads up.

[@pistonpoweruk]

Fight Me weird I thought it was made in Israel, a country that has to protect its citizens from suicide bombers, car attacks, and children being stabbed while they sleep by house intruders.

[@fightme8859]

pistonpoweruk cite one example for each of those in the last year

[@fightme8859]

Ted Moore I mean... do you think I like China? Why would I like China? Anyways, have fun defending the country your government sends trillions of dollars to while saying they can’t afford to give you healthcare. You’re cattle.

[@magnusolsen691]

These somehow make the KSG look simple

[@madblank]

KSG already won.

[@offthewallhobbyman6978]

@@madblank I have the ksg and the tavor ts 12, I wouldnt say the ksg wins. Both are great but I prefer the Tavor. It's been solid, no reliability issues so far which is great for a semi

[@ablationer]

@@offthewallhobbyman6978 What about KSG vs DP12 ?

[@1tokeover]

@Evo Shift the KSG is garbage compared to the DP12. The DP12 was built with quality in mind.

[@nocount7517]

@@1tokeover And quantity. The TS-12 was built with speed and reliability (IWI's 20k torture test per platform) in mind, but ergonomics? Err...

[@markbeam3925]

Nice video. I always like your videos. I noticed you did not use the mag unlock button at the front of the trigger guard when you rotated the mag tubes on the TS12. Try using that button and you will have much less difficulty rotating the tubes. It is different so training and practice with the TS12 will be needed to develop the necessary muscle memory to run fast with the TS12.

[@kencorsell8087]

Congrats on 5m, you guys have definitely earned it. Your videos are the best on YT! I only have an 870 Wingmaster from the 70s and it only holds 5 rounds, but what it lacks in capacity it more than makes up for in agility and swing. A few years ago I got this bright idea to up the capacity with a longer tube and lighten it with some synthetic stocks. What I got was a clumsy gun I didn’t like shooting. So I put it back the way it was and love shooting it as I always did. As you dad said a few weeks ago, if you have that many enemies andneed that kind of fire power

[@soccergolfball1269]

Hickok, could you please do a video on a SIG MCX Virtus?

[@etherdetroit1977]

I'm in the market for a high capacity shotgun. I wanted a mag fed until I saw these. I'm going with the Tavor 1st and the DP12 second.

[@Mustang94c]

I used them to decide on a ksg or a dp12 the ksg I saved 200 to 300 over the dp12 so I went with it and never had any issues with the ksg that being said I'd love to have a similar semiautomatic 12ga to go along with the ksg so I'll probably get the ts12 for my next gun the iwi's go through a twenty thousand round torture test for every modification, change and or release to market so reliability they tend to be sound and tried I'll eventually get the dp12 just not yet

[@jaymag3125]

My friend has the dp12 and the double barrel is difficult to sight in because one barrel sighted in makes the other shoot off to the side.

[@Invisus_Letum]

how tf does that matter on a 12g shotgun?

[@jaymag3125]

@@Invisus_Letum because some people prefer accuracy rather than shooting Willy Nilly and hoping you hit something.

[@Invisus_Letum]

its a 12g shotgun, a short barreled one at that, there isn't such a degree of accuracy for this to be an issue

[@mosswine5417]

​@@Invisus_Letumwhat if u are shooting slugs for bear defense

[@nunyabusiness3349]

That's one way to say you're inexperienced with shotguns, lol. You actually do have to aim shotguns. And it's not a short barrelled gun. It's a bullpup, which means it has full length 18.5 inch barrels. So you just all around have no idea what you're talking about despite your smug, crappy attitude about it. Shut up, potato.

[@Bubbles11_1]

Sending love from St. Louis missouri. Thank you cousin John and uncle hickock. I tune in every new video, and now I have to buy my 4th shotgun haha

[@AaronForbes-s6w]

Great comparison. So much of what is ideal with any firearm is application. I have the Tavor T.S. 12 and pullpups with non reciprocating charging handles are ideal where space is at a premium. The loading was also a key decision in choosing the Tavor.

[@MierIkyy]

DAMN BOAH You have 5 MILLION SUBSCRIBER KEEP IT UP

[@ysacninja6024]

Congrats on 5MIL SUBS!

[@DStanification]

Got my TS12 a few weeks ago and it's awesome, no complaints. BTW just sliding your hand up and rotating the tubes the opposite way he does here is much easier.

[@MRJESSVT]

I agree.

[@JamesJohnson-ys1zl]

Out of the two the dp12 hands down

[@OGjohnson91]

I own a dp12 and absolutely love it. Though I’d really love to try out the ts12 just to see what it’s like

[@Kevin-qj7fp]

If I was purely honest I love the idea of turning the mag of the srm 1612/1616 as well as the ts12 because you just turn the mag and a new set of rounds is in place for you to just pull the trigger The pump action shotgun is iconic and its what everyone knows how to do since you pull the trigger and pump the shotgun for the next round. For the dp12 you need to shoot twice then pump it I still like the idea of having a set of shotguns in the mag ready for you to pull the trigger then turn the mag for a new set It's just that you can't have both in 1 gun The ts12 is a hybrid between a srm1612 and a striker shotgun that you can kinda manually load like how professional shooters load a benelli shotgun

[@cooper9643]

It should be noted that the DP-12 can use minishells, and have a 24 round capacity. 11 in each tube and 1 in each chamber. The tavor ts12 cannot run with minishells.

[@CHEVYSORCROWNS]

I couldn't imagine having one of these pulled on me, dam they are intimidating just laying there.

[@ekscalybur]

Tune in next week for the belt fed shotguns. :P

[@Natedoc808]

I saw a rig a guy had built which had belt feed like Ol’ Painless from Predator into a semi-auto shotgun, was freaking ridiculous and awesome

[@BSUPERSABRE]

I’d be more interested in seeing the TS12 compared to the SRM 1216 since they both have the same magazine system

[@ag4allgood]

But the SRM costs $500 to $600 more.

[@D4DDYFTSCK]

As a shotgun fan i can personally say in my opinion, “shotguns are weird”. (But cool)

[@se3steelo]

You guys just hit 5m subs you need a lot more recognition and maybe a few more sponsors like Carhartt.

[@freddys422]

DP 12 for the win 👌🏽

[@userchetotam]

No!!! Tavor one love)

[@tacomanla]

I’ll forego both of these fine firearms and go with a Remington V3 tac-13 !

[@kameroshiso]

Happy 5 million subs Hickok!

[@Stealther]

The bottom feeding is what kills shotguns like the KSG and DP-12 for me. The TS12 looks huge but its loading system is much better IMO, and its semi-auto.

[@carloscodina1717]

Great Review, thank you for taking the time

[@hoofixrman]

Both awesome...I would take the Tavor in a fight. More fire control, ease of loading more than one type of ammo which is key for a shotty.

[@miguelmagana3691]

Yep

[@ArmyRob13]

Bro the DP12 can shoot any type of 12g

[@williammay7858]

I have both these guns and the TS12 is by far the easier gun to shoot. My wife loves the TS12 and she will not shoot the DP. I have never had a failure to feed right out of the box. Recoil is minimal for a 12 gauge.

[@perseusrex614]

dp-12 looks like it handles much better and cycles easyer. Also looks like it wont jam. The tavor looks jumpy and complicated. Lots of things to go wrong on that....

[@jerryw6699]

5 million people can't be all wrong. Thanks for all the work you guys have put into this.

[@DDDYLN]

From what I've seen, no company has yet to make a high capacity bullpup shotgun worth buying. Every single one of them has a negative most people don't want to deal with. Hopefully, in the future, they'll come out with something worth buying.

[@HB-Real]

Is it possible to load mini shot shells on the DP-12 like other pump actions to increase capacity to even more rounds? That would give DP-12 significant edge over the Tavor TS12.

[@arh1573]

Thanks, I enjoyed this. Missed you yesterday.

[@rodneymoore856]

You video is a year old but what an awesome video! I was not sure which of these guns I wanted to buy but I am now thanks to your video.

[@ILOVEISRAELETERNALLY]

I'm so glad you made this video.

[@andre2679]

These are cool. Unless you train a ton with these, a simple home defense style pump is better in my opinion. I’d like to hope I don’t need 15, 16 rounds to defend myself.

[@Diaszurana]

I have the TS12, and it is fantastic. Love it! I'll be adding the DS12 soon enough, though😊

[@sol_ab143]

congrats on 5 mil subs

[@D3VASTATl0N]

The ability to reload/top off while staying on target makes the TS-12 a no brainer for me

[@theshapeexists]

Cool shotguns. Id love if Mossberg made a version. I'd also love if they made a 590a1 in 10 gauge......because 10 gauge.

[@Sean-bg2fu]

Tavor TS-12 is an objectively superior shotgun in 99% of scenarios. It’s also way more fun to shoot. One of the few Hickok videos I profoundly disagree with.

[@Cr23ish]

These are nice and all, But I'll keep my Ithaca 37

[@ckim6400]

The DP-12 is based off the Ithaca Model 37 action.Just Side by Side.

[@sodapower44]

This Is Brilliant, But I Like This !

[@kentwilliams4152]

The Ithaca Model-37 is by far my favorite. It has an integral full length magazine tube and a 20” barrel.

[@katsomething3622]

never part from you old stand by (Remington 870 for me). Those old standby's are GREAT, but these are still dang cool

[@patatoffriet7336]

Noice

[@regprofant6984]

They just banned everything in Canada, especially your freedom. However, I would just refuse to comply

[@ramboxlegacy14]

Do you own illegally converted full auto guns and unregistered SBRs/SBSs? If not, you comply

[@DDDYLN]

The DP-12 is definitely not mostly polymer. That thing is a heavy chunk of 7075 aluminum.

[@Billythebassist]

That semi auto is funky....

[@kevinwalker8082]

Love your dad, but it is great to see you shooting too. Never get those here in UK

[@nickpalma2782]

John has gotten really good in front of camera. Well done although they aren't something I would buy.

[@richardscott8186]

Like to have DP12 cool gun. The auto i would keep the Benelli still the best I think. Hard to improve on perfection

[@URIOTA]

Great vid bruh... love u n ya pops’ content... both of u guys r very knowledgeable... wish my father would’ve been around to show me his talents/interests the way u guys share guns... I’m raising my son though, so we’ll definitely share that bond...✌🏾

[@Chriselt]

It's definitely a preference thing

[@sawdust6968]

congratulations on 5mil subs guys;-)

[@ronmcintire7460]

Nice video John!

[@skylerstevens8887]

Where's our DP-20 with three barrels?

[@WandaII]

Tavor could have some small view ports on the load tubes so you could rather easily check upon need to reaload from those.

[@spook5756]

Wait until you have to take down the DPS for cleaning. 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@lanceblinent7909]

I glad to see that he pick one as a favorite / better choice and explained his opinion as to why it was better. I don't care for gun channels that compare similar guns and say" You can't go wrong with either one" . That tavor look good unitl he had to switch magazines, the turning process looks awkward.

[@kingjay8730]

It's really not, just need to get familiar with it. The release button is directly opposite the trigger and your hand is already on the mag tubes, but you don't need to even do that much until after you have fired 6 times.

[@brettmicheal2673]

I can’t tell if those are the videos birds or mine🤔🤔🤔

[@savage22bolt32]

Same thing happens to me 🐦

[@jimlahey9796]

RIP Canadian Firearm Owners

[@loganite7103]

If only the dp-12 was configured to slam firing.. Would be an even better feature also and have a switch to shoot both rounds at once

[@bajamike3803]

I want a dp12. My buddy has the iwi Tavor and the receiver is getting nicked away at from expelling spent shells.

[@ag4allgood]

The ejector area ? Watching the video the shells get ejected about 6 inches out.

[@raptor6600gt]

Wow, I hate both of them. I never thought I'd say that about a shotgun.

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

TS12 is like a SRM1216, but special...

[@maximuslt90]

I love how the DP-12 is always compared with the TS-12. Kind of like PlayStation and Xbox, the difference is we love our shotties and we also love the other one. Team TS-12 here.

[@jasonboyce424]

Great video always enjoy watching your video

[@buffalobob6438]

Would the DP 12 be a good Bear defense gun with high velocity steel slugs ??

[@michaelgonzalez8863]

Good review,thank you .

[@samuelschawl349]

Daisy Powerline 880 forever ! Upgraded with a Tasco 3-7 x 20 rim fire scope. : )

[@darnellsmith363]

PSA: I've held the DP 12 and it is heavy as hell (9lbs empty) also will thier be a review of the fastest shotgun Fostech Origin 12🤩

[@Danafondo]

Darnell Smith TS 12 is 8 lbs, I think.

[@darnellsmith363]

@@Danafondo 8lbs empty

[@Danafondo]

@@darnellsmith363 Pretty much goes without saying empty because that's how you labeled the DP 12 weight.

[@techgeek4195]

Love it apocalypse unit...great video...

[@brianadeva4560]

The good thing about the semi automatic is you can select your shells

[@gluemola]

Maybe a sling on the dp-12 would help with handling the gun while reloading.

[@ethakis]

The TS12 doubles as a fabulous paddle for your canoe

[@Darky_McDarkface]

Let’s see SRM1216 vs TS12?!

[@localguy8]

Since I m new to shotguns I will pick the semi auto cos I don’t know any other platform that’ll be a good way to start I presume. 🙏

[@robwagnon6578]

Sorry with all due respect I own a T12 and I think your nuts:) it is so much fun and a pump action looks silly after using the IWI Tavor TS12!

[@MrPooBTW]

Yay a gun from my country

[@ckim6400]

DP-12 is the clear winner. Based off the time proven Ithaca Model 37 action. TS12 rotating magazine just isn't a great design in a fighting shotgun. If you need to reload after 16 rounds you picked a bad day to leave the house.

[@okiedokie8534]

Thanks for the video.

[@7470038]

Hey man, where is ded hickok?

[@Nick.Bullio303]

Dumb question, but is there a significant difference between the DP-12 and the KSG?

[@rumporridge1]

Main difference is build quality. The DP-12 is superior in manufacturing tech.

[@dbx1233]

"Dance with the one who brung you" and "Keep it simple stupid." The 2 shotguns you featured today have deviated so far from the traditional format that they are "Too cute by two." Like you said, one may be better served by sticking to a typical pump.

[@mikewatkins3533]

Like the Tavor 😎🎸🍺🍺

[@blbbtactical6969]

Those are sofa-king badass!

[@einstein0808]

Nice! and also lol, great gun for defence xd at the end.

[@usptact]

I think DP12 is outright dangerous because of that "two shots ONLY THEN you rack it" feature. A fraction of a second of hesitation can cost lives.

[@techi9]

You know the manufacturers of these shotguns are yelling at this video in frustration.

[@paulcrooks6008]

I think of a DP 12 as 7 double barrel shotguns.

[@markdamon4039]

If Spock from Star Trek was commenting on these Shotguns, he might say something like: Both weapons could be just as deadly as phasers at close range Captain.