TBC is great - but still disappoints

[@dumbodum]

58 boost also completely killed Azeroth. There's very few people out in the world leveling and you feel like an idiot for spending 100~ hours leveling when you can just pay and boost.

[@Velen__]

Completely puts me off levelling from level 1 :(

[@tuborg38]

My dad lvls low lvl charrs, many of my mates lvl some aswell. Lvling is fun. But i do not have the time to put in :/

[@e309]

MOST servers are semi dead or dying …. They need to merge servers or this shit will super collapse

[@bigphones666]

Exactly! I stuck it out until my guild made the game not fun, all my guildies buy gold and raid log =/

[@Crizki]

since PvP was solely the thing i was going after.. I wasn't able to find any rated arena partners and quit.

[@TABandiTA]

I don't mind only raidlogging after a while on my main. On off days i grind reps on my alts, thats taking up a lot of time in bc.

[@HallsteinI]

I think that when Blizzard created vanilla they accidentally created part of vanilla's end-game by chance, and they've never really replicated something like it again because of how they've implemented all later expansion packs. In classic you get a lot of additional gameplay out of the level 40-58 dungeon bracket besides using them for gearing up. You have other reasons to do it: farm it for reputation, materials, rare drops, boosting for xp or to help gear up alts. All of that went away with the vertical slice expansion pack model they've followed ever since because each new expansion is a self-insular microcosm. Each subsequent expansion pack following vanilla increasingly becomes an island that is separated from the rest of the game as well as separated from all other expansions. There's very little reason to go back and interact with older content because most of the materials are no longer needed, the factions are worthless and the content is simply discarded and character progression starts from scratch at the new level cap. In classic there's a range of about 20 levels below the level cap where most of the zones and dungeons remain relevant to max level characters, and now that TBCC is starting to mature a bit in phase 2 we're starting to see that not only did TBCC invalidate almost all of the previous content, it also invalidates its own content to some extent. It's a cannibalistic way to approach game-design because they're discarding stuff that works in order to get more players into the content they wanted players to be doing. This is how their vision of the game lost focus, and I don't even think they were fully aware of how well classic's content worked. Later on the game became almost entirely vertical where any content outside of the current patch is made irrelevant. Now this ship sailed almost 15 years ago when Blizzard started work on TBC for the first time, but the way this problem could have been avoided was to never raise the level cap to begin with, to keep adding more horizontal content to the game and fleshing it out with more stuff to do at varying difficulty levels. It turned more and more into a theme park where you're on for the ride and you get exactly what the devs wanted you to experience, nothing more.

[@Rational_Driver]

Maybe it's just me but I genuinely enjoy playing the game and because of that I never run out of things to do. Unlike back in classic when we all had to stay logged out to keep world buffs for raids.

[@failproductionsdk]

Personally i also enjoyed wow classic alot, i had over 140days /played during vanilla classic. But for some of the reasons mentioned in the video, i just dont enjoy tbcc the same way. What i enjoyed in vanilla was the potential to solo high lvl dungeons, which was very doable on many different classes. Been soloing heroic quaggmirran since week2, it is fun 100%, but after doing it a certain amount of times, and earning more gold then i knew what to do with, it just lost its charm, tried soloing other high lvl dungeons, both normal and HC. But none of them being possible to the same degree as quagmirran.

[@BrentHollett]

There was more max level content in TBC than Vanilla... The difference in Vanilla was people went back and did all the lower level content from the previous 60 levels.

[@joshahyu]

There is always things to do in WoW, everyone has rushed to the end game.

[@sirhuggles]

I been loving tbc. I just think they took awhile for 2nd phase

[@DovahTank]

Agreed if it just went one month longer I would have started raid logging but I just finished phase one.

[@Velen__]

Tbh I think the timeline has been pretty spot on I’ve been raiding all content since the 2nd week and still am missing 1/2 pieces. Although I guess it does depend on what class you play and what gear you need.

[@ethanbremner3356]

Can't wait for classic fresh

[@BrentHollett]

How will it be different from Classic?

[@ethanbremner3356]

@@BrentHollett didn’t hit 60 till almost P3 so lots of content I missed and it’s just better than TBC

[@BrentHollett]

@@ethanbremner3356 Right but that already exists. Go play it now?

[@ethanbremner3356]

@@BrentHollett it’s dead? And on naxx phase

[@BrentHollett]

@@ethanbremner3356 Which is why I asked what will be different. Why would it be any less dead if all they do is re release it?

[@chadoftoons]

I think this is a much better video then the "everyone hates tanking" video. I kinda think WoW needs a prestige mechanic because even idle games have to admit that they cant have an infinite endgame, there isnt a better fix then starting over.

[@etnelav]

You could say the same about phase one vanilla. Maybe even worse. There is now pvp dailies, fishing dailies etc. I agree the world is small and this is the problem with all future wow expansions. not including old content with new is a major issue.

[@weareafteryou3975]

Yeah but people were still leveling phase 1 vanilla!

[@kevintyrrell7409]

The core problems: * It is WAY too easy to get into Karazhan and get a full epic set. Most people are skipping reputations AND heroics on their alts because what's the point? Just wait until a kara and get fed gear. Karazhan not being locked behind a Heroic Dungeon grind was a big mistake. * Commodities are cheap because of absolute rampant botting AND spawn rates being turned too high. Fel Iron on my server has dropped below 60 silver. That is absurd and is a sign of failure in the market. * Heroics, Karazhan, and 25 man raids are tuned too low. Even the worst guilds on my server are decked out in full epics, almost near best in slot. Heroic dungeons were simply not challenging enough AND not consistent (Blood Furnace is harder than Gruul's Lair trash). If heroic dungeons were tuned harder, it would have halted the momentum of players considerably.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

If you're the type of player that likes hard content why are you playing classic? The problems with TBC are almost entirely related to the content still being in retail and therefore being stale.

[@F14Flier7]

Well, where are you headed?

[@neceriumcloudes5381]

Classic fresh whenever it comes around

[@jsalmon9168]

@@neceriumcloudes5381 lol

[@Spigz76]

I’ve no idea how you get bored in WoW; I’ve got one of each class, 2 at 70, 5 halfway from 60-70; all different professions, and actually what I love doing most is old content. You can do Sunken Temple 100 different ways; TBC dungeons are so linear they’re really quite dull, loot and new mechanics aside. Raids to me are the big miss; in classic you could pull together an UBRS, ZG, AQ20 heck even MC/BWL easily - get a key/attune go. TBC attunement quests are off the charts - like somebody said “everyone loved finding Rexxar 100 times for Onyxia, let’s do that on every raid!!” - this part I hate. A cool PUG 10/15/ 20 man is really missing. But sod it, I’m grinding those attunements on all characters anyway!

[@kagnetix6674]

lol man characters are like kids, they are cute in all when they are young but when they are older and require more they arent. All you end up doing with that many alts is just raidlogging on them and wasting more time for no apparent reason , or you end up having max toons that have no purpose

[@webadagrande]

shit my dude people have works, and not everybody have time to have 8 fucking alts max lvl with profesions

[@failproductionsdk]

I switched back to Oldschool Runescape. Tried doing both, but yea it just dosent work. Too much to do in one of them to also focus on the other, tho to be fair runescape is quite a huge game starting from scratch, and i just couldnt be bothered to play tbcc anymore

[@jellyfrosh9102]

The big reason TBC/SoM is a flop and Classic Vanilla did so much better is because most of classic vanilla's content was changed or removed around Cataclysm in 2010. You had huge chunks of players who had either never seen the old world/content, or hadn't seen it in over a decade so it felt fresh. TBC's content has mostly been unchanged since 2007, and SoM is a half assed reboot of classic right after everybody finished classic. All of the content is stale now, that's why it's in decline.

[@Trakhen]

"If youre BiS you got nothing to do" What? Ever heard of: Raiding for fun, trying Speedclears, Parse-Runs, World PvP, BGs, Arena, Hunting for Rare Mobs, farming Dungeons (both classic and tbc) for "gadgets" or just cool looking/working things, leveling alts, trying a hardcore challenge, just in general doing random shit with your guildies, raiding capital cities (...........) But yea. *Nothing* to do.

[@Kupoinfo]

Fungeons in TBC!~

[@spartaqq]

lich king will be exactly the same - doing content for few weeks and raidlog.

[@brettmcroleplayer7867]

Well said. Your observations about TBC's small world are spot on; and flight takes away from interaction. Actually, design influences interaction at all levels. For me to rejoin WoW would require 5-man instances to reward a special currency -- or a similar innovation in design that encourages pick-up groups or spontaneous teams. Otherwise, I'm waiting for a financial award to come back: free month of sub to my Classic account and I'll make decisions from there. ~ Thanks for your effort. Cheers

[@BrentHollett]

I think you actually accidentally hit the problem. You're trying to treat a 15 year old game as if it were brand new, modern designed content for raid locusts. Treating the game as a Raiding Only game where the only way to be happy is constantly consume more and more raid content... is never going to make you happy, because that's not how the game was designed. The problem isn't the game. The game has barely changed. The problem is the player mindset doesn't suit because the players are expecting the wrong thing.

[@jibberjabber6919]

Maybe some people have more time on their hands than others. But I still only have one level 70. My sPriest alt is on its way at 67. I really want to level fishing but manually clicking and waiting is just so boring. Blizzard should introduce an item that lets you auto fish for x amount of time. We all know people use bots for fishing already, why not put those botters out of business and just make it official.

[@BrentHollett]

Why is fishing an issue? it is an always has been "just like real fishing". No-one does it for the excitement. Food and peace and quiet.

[@Zantsmith]

ive not had shit to do for the passed month aside from two raid nights a week that last about 3 hours in total between the two nights. honestly not paying for my resub i let my time fall off its not fun its boring and wasted time running circles in shat.

[@1999evo]

Raseeps