TC Electronic June 60 V2 - Authentic Recreation?

[@gustavoberocan]

I came here for a pedal i didn't really care about and now what i really want is a synth. Your videos are amazing. More keen on pedals, please!

[@TorrieSeager]

This was the best gear review I’ve ever seen.

[@Leandrob13]

The level of detail you offer in your videos makes it such a pleasure to watch. I loved the review you made for the behringer cat. I was hoping you would do one for the K-2 with all the historical background included. Awesome work!

[@KeenOnKeys]

The K2 is already on my list, but not in first place. It will have to wait a bit.

[@Leandrob13]

@@KeenOnKeys looking forward to it!

[@boswell255]

@@KeenOnKeys Good! the last time you made the Behringer Cat video I had to buy one and I can't afford a K2 right now.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

I quite like the Pro-1, it doesn’t sound as heavy/chunky as the original but, it’s also not $1500! 😂

[@EricAntispam]

Excellent. Happy to see a pedal FX tested with a synth. Thanks.

[@keymbord]

wasn't expecting to see a Juno on this channel!

[@tomtaaffe]

Excellent. highly polished review. Very informative and well organized. A class above the others!

[@elitefitrea]

It feels like they captured the nostalgic feeling of remembering the Juno Chorus rather than the actual gear itself. I would probably enjoy this pedal since my genre uses dark, distorted, and broken instruments.

[@FingeredBenh]

What ?! You are not actually just a pair of levitating hands ? What a reveal at the guitar part ;D Superb video, It really cleared all the question I had about that pedal. Thank you !

[@PolaroidsofthePyramids]

Wow - your Juno-60 is in great shape! I agree with your assessments in the video and I'm glad you played other synths and guitars through it for us to hear. It was wild to see you playing guitar and bass! The pedal also sounds better for guitars than synths to me and I agree that it's strength seems to be for bass. I'm curious if you have any experience or an opinion on the Juno chorus feature in the Roland boutiques.

[@KeenOnKeys]

No, I haven't tried it yet.

[@PolaroidsofthePyramids]

@@KeenOnKeys Thanks for the reply. My ears aren't sharp enough for me to make a really meaningful evaluation and I'm one of the poor souls who got rid of his Juno-60 decades ago, so I can't do a direct comparison. However, I think using the hidden Juno chorus definitely improves the sound of my JP-08.

[@jeffjeff4477]

Wondering if this is similar to Roland D chorus

[@wilbo26]

@@jeffjeff4477 I want to say its similar to the Dimension D or the CE-1 but I could be wrong.

[@RothmanHarv]

There must be some kind of internal gain staging issue, considering the wider stereo image, cancelling out, and distortion. Still, massive shame 'cause I was thinking "oh this sounds alright" and then the phase cancellations and sub-harmonics became apparent, aargh! Fantastically produced and elucidating video.

[@PostalDude667]

Ugh I hate it. It literally hurts my ears.

[@mkiswatoo]

29:44 The Cure - A forest. Great review, as always.

[@ecrylian]

Oh awesome, I've been looking at one of these for years now, can't wait to watch your exploration of its sound!!

[@xuntdmc]

29:44 absolute banger - love it Had a poly 61 here near Houston for 100usd maybe 2 months ago. Amazing condition.. I missed out on it due to schedule issues. I regret everything. On the plus side I got a Korg Kross 88 with travel case for a whopping 50 USD. The young lady was told it needed a new "motherboard" by local repair so she parted with it for a real piano. I went home, intuitively assumed a possible hairline crack on a pcb may be the issue (was geeking out, playing 20 notes at once all over the place etc). I propped it on my leg thinking it may be bowed.. Turned it on and it plays as if nothing happened. It's huge, but it's a labor of love.

[@miamigamer-vk1dr]

Man I am waiting for your next video

[@RetroPlus]

That is an absolutely beautiful mint condition Juno you have there

[@fremax6946]

And the cherry on the cake is always the final multitrack ! Excellent, thanks !

[@tinfoilcat]

Great review! After being disappointed by the comparision with the Juno I thought you would put one of your older Casios through it, but hey - why not whip out another pristine looking polysynth?! You never cease to amaze!

[@lyleanderson5407]

I had a friend use it on his acoustic and it made a huge difference. It's all about the application, cost, and sound.

[@robfriedrich2822]

I can imagine this. The bad thing is, when you do recordings, the acoustic guitar makes it impossible to turn it into a MP3 with less than 192 kbs without artifacts. Also the guitar doesn't work well, when the arrangement is complex.

[@ramiromartinez274]

I love your videos!!!! Please never stop making them :)

[@Turak_64]

7:39 - This is because you're using a synth, with a bass guitar on the "guitar" setting the true bypass button turns it on and off. If you have stereo on, the the button mutes the guitar. I've just worked this out the hard way!

[@kanaille7485]

i owned an alpha juno 1 , it was a pretty good synthesizer realy nice ! keen , thx for those cool contents

[@haksin2179]

Never fails to present in style

[@timbrehaze7958]

It sounds great on guitar! It kinda reminds me more of a small stone chorus when used that way though. Glad I saw this video before getting it for my MicroFreak

[@nobodynoone2500]

Its an ok 2-preset only box i guess, but it's not really as good as any other BBD chorus due to that limitation.

[@miikasalo]

@@nobodynoone2500 3-preset! :) As on Juno, you can also use I and II simultaneously

[@timmerred5]

We had a Juno 60 in the band (high school kids) I was in during the ‘80s. I wound up with it even though I was the bass player. I had it for years initial I sold it a few years ago. I had a midi box for it that I’d bought to connect to Kong bass pedals. A friend had also given me the sequencer that went with it. We covered all kinds of bands with that and a Kong poly 800. What a great synth. I still have a Juno 106. My buddy moved to Australia and had to leave it behind.

[@GaryLet]

I imagine that is a fender jazz bass, it looks short scale to me for some reason. Love your videos. You do such a good job on these reviews, seems like TC and other companies would hit some home runs if they would send you prototypes on new stuff for your feedback before proceeding to production and marketing. :)

[@KeenOnKeys]

It's a standard squire jazz bass

[@DavidLawMusic]

Amazing video. I’ve got the Boutique Jun-06. Love the chorus on it. I also use the TAL chorus plug - setting 1 ain’t bad

[@brettlemmings]

yiaks! you seem keen on strings as well ^^ it almost sounds like a octave downer in high pitched situations. let's take advantage of those strange artefacts given by this june 60 pedal.

[@AdamHougham]

I enjoyed the outro. Not just Keen on Keys I see 😉

[@justovision]

Me: Keen is a much better keyboard player than I am but he probably doesn't play guitar... Keen: 😎 Me: *Throws all gear into the street* Amazing review as usual.

[@Krisisawake]

very good review :) Your keyboard is in pristine condition which I find very satisfying.

[@kombobeats]

I don’t even play keys, but your videos are awesome.

[@ko83na]

uff you can't beat the the juno sound and vibe...

[@MaEasy_official]

Good job, Keen! Thumbs up!

[@Zero_thehero]

Mr. Herzog i just want to say thank you for making wonderful movies...

[@Rompler_Rocco]

Perfect review! This v2 has the same strong point as v1, the housing. It's looks and feels great. Otherwise, the Juno & JX chorus models on the new SP-404 MK2 have eliminated any desire to keep this pedal in my setup.

[@matrix12x]

I had a Juno 106 and this definitely reminds me of what I liked about the 106. The chorus sounds great on any synth I put it on.

[@hannibalactor]

Great review! 👍It seems that, the june-60 isn't really the best option, when you're in need for a chorus. But if you're still looking for one, you maybe want to try out the komorebi from dreadbox. It's only a mono chorus/flanger, but it sounds amazing. Specially on synthesizers.

[@FingerBob]

that outro song was awesome

[@isakmgm]

Great review, I wish you had my 'analog chorus 60' for this review.

[@KeenOnKeys]

Me too! But it's a bit out of my price range.

[@josephwright5921]

Send him one!

[@spotlight-kyd]

I think the noise is aliasing. BBDs do alias too, so you need to filter before and after the BBD section of the circuit. Somehow the aliasing filters are not calibrated correctly or the BBD chip clone is just not the same as the original.

[@dudfaz]

Very musical review - nice one

[@danielsandaarhus]

Awesome video! 🙂

[@ElJoellito]

Hey, great video! Saved me from a future regretted purchase yet again. I just wanted to tell you about the supposed most authentic juno chorus, the alpesmachines One-O-Six. With gain, rate and depth control it also offers some great improvements/expansions. There is a level meter, direct mute, effect on/off and even an external mod input.

[@BIM0X]

Joel is right ! ^^

[@devinmasters7038]

@@BIM0X when will a kit be back in stock??

[@BIM0X]

@@devinmasters7038 well, it is ! (eco + you order the enclosure at tayda following the instructions)

[@NAM999DnB]

Excellent video.

[@Wagoo]

Very good comparison vid, cheers. There's also the Effectivy Wonder Juno Chorus (different but similar BBDs) and the Feedback Modules 106 chorus (Xvive BBDs) in Eurorack. Maybe running both June-60s together for stereo instead, with L/R from each would get rid of the phase cancellation.. not tried it with mine yet Whatever lens+post processing you're doing on the video makes it look very nice, almost like a 3D render (in a good way) quality

[@freddyfischer]

Prima Video 👍 das mit den Seitenteilen ist verblüffend !

[@nobodynoone2500]

Thanks for explaining better than I could about why I hate this pedal. It sells well, because it says it does that magic thing we love, but it just dosent. They just got so many things wrong usability wise, its not even worth having around for a 'similar but different vibe'.

[@ilovecops6255]

100% true!

[@fjfrancois]

Thank you for the video, I have one June 60 v2 and I love it, especially on a Prologue 8.

[@sonicaids]

the poly 60 sounded amazing

[@stockwellengineeringhints3527]

Hi, I have just watched all your videos and am left wanting more. Your videos are excellent and so is your music. I think you are perhaps the J.S. Bach of our times. You mentioned on your first video that this is a new channel featuring budget gear, do you have another channel for me to look at? Thanks so much, Sam

[@KeenOnKeys]

Thank you. No, there's no other channel.

[@JaroslavaChalupová-z5g]

I fix the fizzy chorus on a Juno 60 but can't get the right chip. Can you please advise me?

[@marccarpenter2680]

Can you do the TC 3rd dimensions and compare it just curious about it.

[@almightyEsquilax]

Keen On Keys And Guitar And Bass And Virtual Drums

[@stockwellengineeringhints3527]

A good keyboard for you to do a review on might be the Casio HT-3000 if you can find one cheap enough. There is the HZ-700 which is the same synth but with mini keys, but it lacks the mod wheel which the HT-3000 has.

[@ZILtoid1991]

The coloring is different since the BBD ICs are the 9V version, which distort more than the 15V version.

[@URTH-yb5xh]

Thanks for the fantastic demo At least it seems great for guitar better than v1🙂

[@pcuimac]

I have no idea why, but my version one JUNE-60 first sounded terrible, but after removing it and trying for a second time with different cables, Behringer Model D synth and in stereo mode, it sounds really pretty now. My System-8 has a digital emulation of the Juno-60 chorus and that sounds equally good or even better, but comparisons are always dependend on multiple factors like output leves, wetness etc. If somebody wants to get rid of his JUNE-60, I would be happy to take it.

[@os2w4rp]

I wonder if the distortion would be eliminated if using a reamp device with input set to guitar mode?

[@MoraFermi]

Since all the "magic" of an analog bucket brigade delay is in the pre- and post- filters required to make it work, at this point a much better recreation of a known quantity chorus effect would be to use a DSP with a bit of careful filtering applied to the processed signal.

[@sweeterthananything]

indeed there have been very good recreations of BBDs in DSP for quite a while - line 6 DL4/echo park are quite old now for example, and i use digital BBD recreation effects pretty often. but there is a final 0.05% sprinkling of extra magic working with good analog delay/chorus/flanger effects sometimes. i'm not an engineer but you may be on to something in that TC/behringer would be better off with DSP than with their in-house BBDs, but at the same time, roland-boss has been able to credibly recreate their dimension chorus effect in both the digital CE-20 multi-chorus and analog DC-2w using Xvive drop-in replacement MN3007 chips. so it may come down to behringer wanting to use their vertical production chain instead of Xvive. i've heard plenty of great effects using CoolAudio BBDs, but i can't recall any of them having been supposed to recreate a specific vintage model effect except in the vaguest of terms.

[@Beorninki]

Good demo, indeed!

[@kenthejanitor3134]

My initial impression is the FX pedal sounds gritty compared to the Juno’s built in chorus. EDIT: You mentioned the distortion right after I posted this comment.

[@KeytarKris]

I bought this pedal and it makes a nonstop popping sound and I’ve tried everything I’ve seen on KZbin to make it stop. How can I make it stop popping while using it.

[@meneerjansen00]

If I'm not mistaken TC Electronic is Behringer nowadays. And a company that made great stuff in the seventies might not today because a different team of developers works there now.

[@nobodynoone2500]

yeah, berhinger is bottom of the barrel

[@meneerjansen00]

@@nobodynoone2500 Not always, but is this case we're comparing good 'ol TC Electronic to them. Well, then it's different.

[@HauntedHarmonics]

@@nobodynoone2500 they definitely used to be, they’ve been doing some amazing stuff with their vintage synth clones recently though

[@nanaseneris2299]

open the baby up and there is a screw close to the yellow buttons, that can adjust the intensity (or maybe depth?) of the chorus. no soldering or tinkering around))))

[@jackblackguard8908]

What keyboard are you using with the Behringer Cat? It seems like a perfect fit and they look great together!

[@KeenOnKeys]

Arturia Minilab MK1 black edition

[@dm12e]

Or use the free TAL vst

[@ReinKayomi]

Or if you own FL Studio 20.9, they have a plugin known as the Vintage Chorus, it also emulates the J60's chorus

[@thesrabbit]

What a well done and informative video on chorus. The June-60 v2 is a disappointment. It’s as if the mod depth of the LFO on the delays is too high or something. You can hear the LFO slam up against a wall when it reaches its peaks. Roland’s Zencore emulations of the JUNO chorus sound better. Roland would probably make a killing if they made a Juno Boss Waza Craft pedal. Even with an absurd price tag. It sounds really good on guitar and bass in mono though.

[@miguelmonforte]

👏👏I suggest doing a video on powerbanks (rechargeable batteries) for keyboards and electronic keyboards. I'm trying to use my 5V powerbank with some adaptors and doesn't work un my ctk-900. It would be nice. I have a powerbank attached onto my new Yamaha pss (which includes micro-usb) and is cool. You can charge It and take It anywhere withoit worries. But with 9v and 12v keyboards depend on electricity or traditional batteries.

[@quadcam24v]

I reckon finding a Gligli Juno 60 Chorus and putting it head to head with this guy would be interesting.

[@scientificshiv]

Do you own Loopop as well? I just realised your voice matches a lot with that guy.

[@EveRipper]

So I don’t get it. Does this thing has a volume boost when you turn it on?

[@josephwright5921]

It seems like it has a volume drop.

[@Subtronik]

I’m running a Moog Mavis through this pedal and with proper stereo mixing separation it sounds very nice.

[@gavinrayment4107]

I found your video really interesting thanks. I do already own one though and my use is to double chorus guitar by running another chorus into it. In my case the JHS Emperor. I think it sounds really good and adds something. Maybe that is just me though!

[@squishmusic]

In 2015 TCE were bought by MusicTribe AKA Behringer. I dunno if that changed the quality of components, and the quality per se of the TCE brand. Behringer aim to deliver quality but at a cheaper more competitive price. "Cheap Quality" is an oxymoron and while Ive owned/own Behringer gear Ive never much appreciated their mixers/outboard gear. Did you find a chorus for your keyboards in the end? Boss Ultra Chorus?

[@Im_T.O.]

Loved the 60 and the 106.

[@christianratajczak3884]

Great review. Thank you. Unfortunately this is a half baked product as most are that come from Behringer. The VP330 recreation was also a disappointment. Incredibly thin string section showing the same exact artifacts as this chorus. I took it apart and right away noticed the problems with their choice of capacitors and resistors in the audio path besides the implementation of digital circuitry in the chorus section where you got dropouts depending where you were on the tone scale. I’m so surprised that a company which claims to have the expertise is providing products that fall short. One of of those days I will design a chorus effect with all possible parameters exposed based on the one from Eminent 310 string synthesizer. I wonder if there’s a market for such a thing and what is the price point people are willing to pay. Again, thank you for the detailed and professional review.

[@vaiman7777]

Not Behringer, check your facts/research first before you make Chorus yeah, otherwise it'll suck.. Like saying Bugera also made this.

[@christianratajczak3884]

@@vaiman7777 You are right about doing proper research. Thank goodness I do own the Eminent U310 and will compare my design’s performance to the original not only sonically but also electrically. Otherwise as you say it will suck. The one chorus that come very close to the real thing is from Tech21 Boost Chorus. It’s all digital but these guys have done an outstanding job in the digital domain and in my opinion comes much closer to the real thing than anything else I heard thus far. If you have a chance to try one, please do and let me know your thoughts.

[@vaiman7777]

@@christianratajczak3884 Will do. I'm happy with my Juno-60 chorus, thankfully it's very quiet and was rarely used prior to my acquisition. I'm looking for a decent reverb that doesn't cost me an organ part.

[@vincewizz8534]

The Behringer VC430 sounds extremely close to my OG VP330 mkI . My OG is only a tad dirtier and has one more octave, but I was actually surprised at how close they sound.

[@kaitlyn__L]

At first I thought “how could they sell an entire Juno in a pedal?”, then quickly realised it was just the chorus😅 it definitely sounds better with guitar than synths, but nevertheless still has some jankiness. A shame, considering their other pedals are decent (as you also said!), and their tuners are imo the best option around.

[@IAmJKey]

did you get to the trim pots on the inside of the pedal? gets WAY closer to the original if you tweak these.

[@spookybaba]

Some of those sounds you're dismissing, others will love.

[@apislapis]

Great video and as a result I am not keen on June-60. There were some nasty tones / harmonics at times with that pedal and anything with plenty of high frequencies it rendered it rather shrill and strident to my ears. Thanks for saving me from major disappointment and £60. Thank you Keen On Keys.

[@Bj5m17h]

I was considering getting v1 awhile back, but after some in-depth reviews I decided against. I really like the JHS chorus pedal I got instead. It can switch to vibrato and has controls you don't need a screwdriver to operate.

[@tellstarrsixtwo7120]

So true...I literally have some loose screws, cause I can't decide which final speed settings I prefer on the Juno :D

[@robfriedrich2822]

When I saw the thumbnail I wondered, that the synthesizer is that small and have few buttons. But it's the chorus section. So I can turn any analog synthesizer into the "June" sound. But I guess, it should attract also guitar players.

[@MattGreerMusic]

You dance around it quite well but we know it's a Behringer product. It might be alright but they get it wrong quite often as well.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Please post tunes you make with your Juno 60 and Poly 61! Also, looks like you have an extra June 60 chorus on your hands. Feel free to send it to me! 😉

[@KeenOnKeys]

I have to disappoint you, of course I sent the second one back immediately. But I'll probably make videos about the two synths, maybe next year.

[@NeoLudditevisons]

i listened to another review where the default guitar and slow settings on v2 june sound better for synths

[@joaquinscordoba2216]

Min 29:44 "A Forest" from The Cure😎

[@demofactory]

Great comparison. Seems like the TC version is darker with the highs trimmed back. Thanks for posting.

[@rebeccaschade3987]

When you said "There's a strange noise in the decay" it almost sounded like there was a repeat of the original sound, just much quieter happening in the decay. It was a bit strange.

[@salvatoredidio9424]

Amazing Videos the best in my opinion especialy for a guitar Player that IS a Beginner in this world. About the product I must Say that I Like the incorporated Chorus on the Ju-06a a little better even IT IS also Not so accurate. A Hardware recreation from Roland/Boss would be nice.

[@seth6887]

What's the midi you are using with the CAT? I'm in love with it!

[@tiagogrcia]

i feel like the original has more glue to it, but the TC is wider and modern, 2 different sounds to me

[@remowo_]

I hope TCE picks up the glove and make something outstanding in v3

[@rdean150]

The volume difference between bypassed and engaged is way too high. Pretty much rules this out of live performance use entirely. And the mono behavior is rather ridiculous. It does sound pretty good though.

[@ageshero]

Honestly i can hear what you're describing and talking about, but it doesnt at all create aversion to this product for me, i dont find it "Unusable" in the ranges that are mentioned though, lol maybe thats a bit naive of me?

[@KeenOnKeys]

It's not completely unusable. I think I showed a lot of examples where it sounds quite OK. But it's not the "set and forget" chorus. It very much depends on the sound source. I still use it from time to time for guitar and bass.

[@MIDERA]

I returned the V1 a day after I bought it. I had to pay return shipping (Thanks Sweetwater!), but it was worth it. I did not want that thing in my studio and wouldn't ever buy another one. What a cheap sell they were going for calling it the June-6 and then making it sound like utter garbage. This one sounds much closer, but also doesn't sound great.

[@jorgenvandeburgt8670]

It sounds like the BBDs aren't biased correctly. You might be able to fix the cutoff by using the trimmers, but it could also make it much worse lol.

[@ChannelRejss]

Man, why does your voice sound like the guy from Media Division (a superb, if not best YT channel on video and film making equipment). :D It's definitely not just the accent.

[@lo-firobotboy7112]

There is just too much aliasing and phase cancellation to make this a useful chorus pedal for my studio.

[@ZapAndersson]

To be fair, I think no two Juno-60's had completely identical chorii, mine sounds like butter drenched in raw sex and golden hour lighting

[@robfriedrich2822]

59 € is today not much, the Boss pedals had higher price and this was before the price for musical instruments raised.