Dry-Dropper Fly Fishing was HARD, then I learned these SECRETS!

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[@TimCammisa]

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[@FishingDiscoveries]

Thanks again for having me on Tim, I really enjoyed our conversation. Paul.

[@TimCammisa]

Paul, this one was exceptional and packed with goodies. As I was editing the video, I knew that the viewers were getting a special treat. Thanks for taking the time from your schedule, and I am already looking forward to our next chat! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@david-marynoll5699]

Tenkara personified. This is a really good video. Thanks Paul and Tim.

[@BP-1988]

I love Paul's approach and philosophy that no matter how good you are (or think you are) you can still learn and improve.

[@FishingDiscoveries]

That's exactly right B P - thanks for your kind comment. Paul

[@TimCammisa]

Bingo, this approach guarantees that you'll make progress...thanks for taking a moment to share your thoughts. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@PeachyFlyFishing]

Thanks Tim and Paul, nice presentation! Paul, the Spanish angler you talked about who hosted the England team is a friend of mine, his name is Juan Del Carmen. He lives in Sydney now where he teaches fly fishing through his business called the "Advanced Fly Fishing School". He is a fantastic angler and teacher, and generously donates a great deal of time helping local fly fishing clubs. :)

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Yes - I realised I mangled my words while trying to carry several thoughts in my head at once! I also messed up the bit about the 3 second drift being longer in fast water versus slow water (which is correct, but I mixed one of them up in the episode). I'm sure I messed up a lot of other things too... Sometimes it's tricky to keep track of what the other person is saying, what you want to say next and to manage cutting between the slides/screenshare (with or without picture in picture) and the main camera angle! I'd love to catch up with Juan some day and thanks again for reminding me. Paul

[@PeachyFlyFishing]

@@FishingDiscoveries Let me know if you're ever in Sydney, would be happy to take you out for a fish. :)

[@FishingDiscoveries]

@@PeachyFlyFishing That would be awesome, thank you.

[@OldDominionTroutBum]

Really enjoyed this, Tim. Love Paul’s scientific thought process behind all of this. Cheers, Paul!

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Thank you ODTB, I'm really happy you found useful stuff in there. Paul

[@Tjk186]

Very enjoyable and helpful video...some of Paul's thoughts are a lot like your views on the benefits of a tuck cast Cory..thanks for sharing Tim and Paul

[@FishingDiscoveries]

@@Tjk186 Thanks for checking it out and for leaving such generous feedback. Paul

[@scottlowe3355]

I really appreciate the statement that anglers can find the simplicity on the far side of complexity. Makes so much sense! This was great. Thank you.

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Thank you Scott - it's one of my favourite ideas and sayings. I understand it was Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. who said it first...In fact, by the power of Google; the full original quote is "“For the simplicity on this side of complexity, I wouldn't give you a fig. But for the simplicity on the other side of complexity, for that I would give you anything I have.”

[@wvlongshooter3912]

Mr. Tim, I’m kinda new to KZbin, I know, weird I guess. So I’m really enjoying your channel!!! I can’t get enough!!! The guest is really a smart guy. I’m guessing he uses the scientific method approach to fly fishing. I’m buying your book and definitely his. Looking into these now. Thanks, I so enjoyed the content!!

[@patricksmith7839]

I learned the triangle technique in a dry/dropper clinic done by Gordon Vanderpool. It’s super effective and definitely adds another arrow in the quiver. Great information in this video, awesome video

[@bruceduke4485]

Great video and interview Tim. I will definitely go to his website and take the French technique 101

[@captainkoo]

After watching this video 3 times, I went and hooked 10 fish on the Green today. Super helpful and effective method. Thank you Tim and Paul 🙏🙏🙏

[@TimCammisa]

Really glad to hear this helped, Brian, thanks for the comments! Have you read Paul's book yet? It really pulls together many concepts. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@captainkoo]

I’ll check it out , Tim. Thanks again for all you do. You’ve helped me achieve a dream !

[@FishingDiscoveries]

This is so cool Brian hehe. Way to go. Paul

[@captainkoo]

@@FishingDiscoveries you’re a genius , Paul. Brilliant

[@GhjantoFlyFishing]

thank you both for sharing your knowledge and for your humility, signs of great men !

[@TimCammisa]

Thank you so much for the kind words! If you found value in this video, please consider sharing it with a few of your fly fishing friends. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@brianlane9534]

After having lost a number of fish tying the dropper from the bend of a barbless dry, I've learned to not allow much slack at all. Even when indicator nymphing. Keep as little line on the water as possible. Have full contact with the dropper through the dry, or indicator. ... Great discussion gentlemen.

[@bobpeters482]

Tim, I love your channel. I've been fly fishing for 60 years and I've learned so much in the year or so that I've been subscribed to your emails. This tutorial from Paul is simply outstanding. I'll be trying to incorporate these techniques into my fishing. Also just signed up for Paul's online course and can't wait to start learning even more. And thanks for the recommendation on the Stonfo Elite. I absolutely love the vise. Please keep up the good work!

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Thank you so much for such kind praise Bob - I really appreciate it. Plus, welcome aboard on the course - if you have any questions or problems accessing your content, just let me know on [e-mail] Paul

[@realityobservationalist7290]

This is gold! the triangle of Awesome will definitely go in my toolbox. I spend so much time with streamers or swinging that when I cross over to dry fly, I get into the habit of fishing with way too much line. My home water is a big river so that doesn't help. Thank you both, cheers!

[@Adam-ij5yf]

Tim, this was a great video! My home waters are in some heavily fished streams in Pennsylvania and I’m for sure going to try some of these strategies. Thanks for the video!

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for the kind words, Adam! Be sure to spread the information by sharing this video with some friends...just not those who fish the same PA waters as me! ;-) Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@Tjk186]

This video and format is so good that you guys should do another one…thanks for sharing such helpful info and tips from your combined experience

[@TimCammisa]

Appreciate the kind words, and thanks for suggesting that! Paul is a wealth of knowledge and I'll have to check with him to see if there's another topic he'd like to investigate. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@keithkijowski8077]

Outstanding! Thanks Paul and Tim.

[@TimCammisa]

Glad you enjoyed it, Keith, and hope all is well! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@manifestgtr]

I had an absolute bonanza on a dry dropper earlier this week. Parachute Adams and a little flashback hare’s ear on this little native brookie creek off the Deerfield in MA. 15 brookies within the course of two hours…that poor Adams looked it had been through atmospheric reentry by the end of the day. The very next day, my brother and I stumbled across ANOTHER native brookie stream near our hunting cabin in the white mountains. “When it rains, it pours” sometimes 🤷‍♂️

[@douglasrandall6737]

Super video Tim, I use barbed hooks with the barb squeeze down forming a barrier to keep the nymph line from sliding down. I am a member of the Anglers Club of Philadelphia. See you in January.

[@TheFlyFishingFilmmaker]

Great interview Tim, appreciate you bringing him on. I absolutely love Paul Gaskell. The things I love about him is how nerdy he gets about fishing. (If you haven't checked out his BFS (bait finesse system?) stuff that's also fun to learn about). He is both very knowledgeable from a historical perspective (where things started), technique perspective (understands all the various styles), yet is not a gatekeeper and is ok with how the sport/terms have evolved and ultimately lumped into one big catch term of euronymphing. If you haven't read his book "How to fool fish with simple flies" it's a great read. Gorgeous pictures, and has a lot of great techniques that he breaks down.

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks so much for the kind words, and Paul is an incredible ambassador and resource for fly fishing. I hope to have him on again this spring! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@oldsmugglerflyfishing]

That was so cool!

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks so much! Paul is a WEALTH of information and shared so many great ideas and concepts. Any favorites after your first watch? Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@nachogrez203]

Thanks a lot for this explanation. On those lines, at 10:27 your explanation takes the base of the TENKARA concept, where you are forced to create that triangle and also the aim is to put your fly on the water before your leader or your tippet.

[@TimCammisa]

Lots of benefit to placing the fly on or into the water before a tippet. Regardless of Euro technique, Tenkara, etc...it's a great fishing technique. Thanks for the kind words. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@douglasrandall6737]

Excellent thank you so very much.

[@Rich-fg9vj]

Great video Tim... Thanks for sharing! Paul's web page is an awesome bonus!

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for the comment, Rich, and it's been a pleasure getting to know Paul! I look forward to hearing from you on some of my other videos. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@jowhi9296]

Great information! My question pertains to the grid casting, in that conversation was about being silent, less line in water and less noise. Wouldn't casting that much extra create more movement and noise? I love the method and plan to use it because it sounds great! Especially because it creates lifting in your flies!

[@captainkoo]

The triangle of awesome has been highly effective for me. Thank you both for sharing your expertise.

[@TimCammisa]

You're welcome, and appreciate the feedback! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@gregkosinski2303]

Great stuff.

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for the kind words, Greg! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@piebald80]

This is a good one 👌🙏

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks so much, it was a blast making it! Are you in the US or Europe? Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@mikekuczynski1552]

Wonderful discussion Paul’s and interesting guy with some real fishy knowledge. Can’t believe I haven’t run into his channel. Tim thanks for bringing Paul on and giving us some insight on new methods and how and when to apply them . Fly fishing is such a great sport you get to learn so many different aspects that help improve our skills daily. Thanks for sharing.

[@TimCammisa]

Appreciate the kind words, as always, Mike! Paul is a wealth of knowledge and definitely expanded my thinking into so many things. Hope all is well! Tim www.troutandfeather.com/

[@alexargyros7186]

This is a wonderful video. Thanks guys. It does inspire a question: when fishing the kind of riffly, pocket water Paul says is ideal for using the duo technique, would there be any advantages to Euro nymph with a sighter instead of using a dry fly as your indicator? Clearly, there's the chance of catching fish with the dry, but, discounting that, could you talk about why one would use the duo method vs. the sighter method for fishing such water?

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Great question as always Alex - You will find a number of European anglers who feel there is always a better method than the duo; and while there can be a good chunk of truth in that; there are also some things it is ideal for. For one, where you are pitching across stream at a near perpendicular angle to the flow - it's easier to get a drift "in-line" with the current. In other words, it can extend your effective lateral reach (especially if you use level tippet from your fly line to your dry fly). You can also bounce/bob the dry fly on the surface to induce both surface and sub-surface hits. It's also a bit easier to "mend" the dry fly to produce particular angles between the dry fly and the nymph. Plus, if you need to, you can still throw it a long way, lay fly line on the water and fish it like a "bung" without changing your rig. Dev Olsen has a great story in his book about winning his sector using exactly that (completely opposite) approach when everyone else was sticking to the industry-standard Euro-nymphing approaches. I also think it helps develop good form and habits for fishing other Euro methods, so - ironically - learning to do it well can also improve your results with the methods it competes against. It all comes down to the fact that many days, a number of the other Euro methods will outfish the duo/dry-dropper...yet, sometimes the duo will come through for you (so you need to know how to do it to its full potential). One slightly strange one would be having the dry pulling the nymph through slightly faster (due to the surface flow moving faster than the water below where the nymph is)... some days the fish might prefer that to a nymph that more accurately matches the sub-surface current... Basically, you need to ask the fish on the day by deliberately trying a couple of approaches. Paul

[@steveshannon7441]

First view of your channel Tim - I stumbled across this video last night and watched it in full on a rainy / windy afternoon in the U.K. - Excellent talk as ever Paul and I always take something away from your videos - coincidentally I started tying some of my nymphs with silver beads for no other reason than nearly everyone else uses gold - not noticed much difference though !!!! - All the Best - Steve.

[@TimCammisa]

Hi Steve, welcome to the channel! Paul is an incredible resource and I look forward to our future conversations. In the meantime, I hope to hear from you on some of my other videos, Steve, though I will definitely point you to this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKamqoScpcudqNk

[@steveshannon7441]

@@TimCammisa Thank You Tim - looking forward to more from your channel - S.

[@philipvankampen3394]

18:33 Very well put

[@chasselynch5733]

Hi Tim great channel great video I live and fish in north central Pa,I find my greatest success with this technique is NOW THRU EARLY NOVEMBER ,ON THE FREESSTONE MT STREAMS I FISH,NOT MUCH LUCK EARLY IN THE SEASON ,APRIL THRU JULY,ANY TBOUGHTS??

[@panoramix2656]

worth listening to, i learned something from the story about the fly with the white tungsten bead, with the wet fly hackle, previous summer i was fishing one spot it was hot weather with low water, slow current and i was fishing silver and golden tungsten nymphs on sight, becous there was no other way to see the take, i caught 10 maybe 12 chubs on that spot around 15 inch in size, neat fish:-) what i take away from this is a white bead and i wil probably start to experiment with bras beads only for those situations, bigger bead is a better vieuw of the take, thanks again!

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks so. much for sharing your thoughts, especially re: Paul's idea with the white bead! Please consider sharing a link to this video with your fly fishing friends. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@davidlee8999]

I dont fish rivers / streams but the duo is a method I use on still waters normally a foam beetle and a buzzer along with the hook set when lifting off

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks so much for sharing, David. So you call this system Duo, too? Are you from Europe? Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@davidlee8999]

@@TimCammisa Yes Tim from the UK Lancashire I suppose you would call it the duo its my start up method whilst you cant normally see the beetle I find it covers the top feet which is were I like to fish I also switch the beetle to the point and a dropper 3 - 4 foot up when the the fish are high we call this the washing line dont know if this would work on rivers

[@mattwright2964]

In a funny sort of way it's slightly similar to proper original loch style I grew up with 40 years ago. It was drummed into me long rod, short casts, lift early, the boat is doing the work covering water. With the usual wind in Scotland and an Ordie or Blue Zulu on the dropper and a wet fly on the point, it's semi dapping. People don't know how to loch style fish now, typically you see them double hauling from a boat! Sorry to digress but there are some similarities.

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for pointing that out, Matt, and so many similarities across fly fishing. It's putting all of those small things together that make a great impact. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@DavidStanleymusic]

i use the dry topper with a wet fly at the end it works great

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for sharing, that's a great rig! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@captainkoo]

Excellent discussion When you use the dropper tied to the point fly hook bend technique , does the dropper ride higher in the water column , or at the same depth as the point ?

[@TimCammisa]

Thanks for the kind words. Re: dropper flies, I prefer to tie them off of a tag attached to the leader. By doing so, they will ride higher in the water column. When off the bend, the depth is determined by the weight of each pattern. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@nookie420]

I prefer tying specific dry flies with a loop to tie my dropper on. If I'm euro nymping, I get my dry dropper too tangled around the mainline when I try that method. Probably need to get the dropper tag shorter but then you are very limited to reties.

[@captainkoo]

Do you use a Euro nymph rod and reel for this dry dropper technique? Or a standard 5/6 weight ?

[@TimCammisa]

Great question, Brian! I tend to fish primarily with a Euro nymph rod for the dry-dropper technique. However, when fish are rising and also taking emergers, if I'm throwing a dry fly rod, then I'll hang a light nymph off of the dry. Thanks for checking! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@captainkoo]

@@TimCammisa thanks, Tim. Really appreciate the information !

[@willdyer9797]

Love this 🔥 my only problem is that doesn’t fishing the dry dropper like this mean that you have to fish at a much closer distance. Tricky to do in smaller streams where you need a lot of line out to put distance between you and the fish. Any help from anyone reading this? 🙏🏼

[@TimCammisa]

Great question, and that is not necessarily true. There are lots of factors, such as the leader, type of rod, line, etc. Would love to hear more about the type of water you're wanting to try dry-dropper, shoot me an email: [e-mail] Thanks! Tim

[@FlyFishingJourneys]

OMG. You love my tracks!

[@stevenpfotzer112]

The induced take sounds like you are using a type of a Leisenring Lift.

[@georgefleszar7154]

Great information. I’ve been fishing for many decades and find that differences in success so often stem from paying attention to some seemingly minor detail. Contact nymphing, meet contact dry/dropper. And I’m sure we’ve all caught dozens of fish as we start a backcast. But I never translated that into actively increasing the opportunities. Very helpful!! My only criticism was the reversed hat you had on… For whatever reason, I found it distracting. Please lose the hat. Thanks again!!

[@TimCammisa]

Hi George, and thanks so much for letting us know you found value in our discussion! Re: the backwards hat: Sorry to distract you, but it's how I prefer to wear it. ;-) Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@chasselynch5733]

Don't think this will work well if it's windy thankfully it's sunny and calm today

[@raywalteroutdoors]

Prices are good but a lot are sold out

[@pressbox49]

Paul, talks about not spooking the fish. But no matter what method you use. Surely when you hook the fish and then play the fish, you will spook any other fish around you, no?

[@TimCammisa]

Yes and no. This system is intended to catch fish by starting lower in a spot then working upstream systematically. As I learned when fly fishing decades ago in Montana, once a pod of rising fish is found, target the rear fish first. Once hooked, attempt to steer the fish away and down from the pod to prevent spooking. This can be done, but takes time to learn. But some fish simply spook others, no matter what approach. If a spot is spooked, rest is by moving to another, then use the same approach to advance upstream. Hope this helps! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@fishablerealisticfliesdavehise]

DOOD! Your hat backwards.

[@TimCammisa]

Exactly, I'm so glad someone noticed!! ;-) Tim www.troutandfeather.com

[@paulwykle3674]

More less euro nymping with a dry dropper.

[@chasselynch5733]

Ok so I get it now ,it's like euro nymphing kinda ...tension from the flies no line on the water getting ready to head out now guna tri the triangle 📐📐

[@FishingDiscoveries]

Hope it went well! Paul