All Supers Ranked in a PvP Tier List | Destiny 2

[@TDTProductions]

Of course there will be disagreements, and that’s fine. I am just trying to help, but if that fails: stubborn people make for great clips.

[@nicholasmargery1066]

I may be mis-seeing what I'm doing but pretty sure gathering storm can crit to one shot supers? Either that or something funky is going on when I take it in mayhem. Literally my fav super for mayhem for its super shut down potential and unlike most other hunter one and done supers, its precise and reliable. Blade barrage goes wherever it fancies and tether is too slow and I find it hard to aim. Yes I know you said there will be disagreements and I'm doing exactly that, and if you feel it is f tier, that's fine, but I won't stop using it until strand comes out and hope you're ok with that too 😅

[@FumeiShichi]

In my experience using quiver and deadfall one is significantly more useful in specifically 3v3 modes than the other. Quiver doesn't put out its damage fast enough or reliably enough to easily deal with ranged supers and in that same pitfall fails to function well as a panic super. It also gets teamshot down very easily because you spend so much time getting the shots off. Deadfall is great for keeping other players off a revive or objective. They either waste time destroying it or get caught in it both of which give you extra time to react to situations. I think C is fair for deadfall being a niche pick but personally I'd but quiver in D because it doesn't fill the roles its attempting to fill well and there's too many other supers that do it better.

[@SylvesterJamison]

If you have a tether and you're going against an arkstrider never aim directly at them aim at the ground or nearby object and the suppression field will do the rest

[@sebastian_blair6685]

Devils ruin destroys arcstrider super

[@blueforce9269]

If course I have no problem with a faster video, but I would like more in depth info. great vid

[@connoroshea6971]

One thing i will say is that thundercrash can only be A tier (or A+) is if its in the hands of the right person. When using it you can come close to enemy players and still kill them without impacting them. You've got to be very precise or you'll impact the player. But B tier is defo the general play.

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

S tier in the hands of a decent player. It can weave through doors and shut you down from the other side of the map. You can pop it in front of a losing duel, fly straight through him for a kill, and then land on his teammates. Its a precision-guided missile with a huge blast radius. While it could theoretically be shut down by other shut-down supers, that is very hard to make happen. Incredibly strong tool, even better on M&K. S tier. Nerf Strikers Bungo.

[@StasisTitan]

Dont forget that thundercrash counters both well and bubble

[@eseerianknight0386]

I've found that it's incredibly slow without the ballistic slam wind up. Many opponents of mine team shoot me out of the air, or jump headfirst into me to prevent a mutlikill. And since I'm falling out of the sky pretty defenseless, I get cleaned by the rest of the team, or at least take heavy damage.

[@ChronicSpinDash]

Bro I suck with thundercrash!! I literally choke EVERY time im *right about* to hit the target by panicking and moving the thumb stick! EVERYTIME YO 🤣🤣😭 Ornaments are S tier tho 😤

[@TimelostGamer]

Wym “the right person” You press f(or rmb+lmb), you go towards your opponent, you kill them. What about that is hard.

[@Kenji-117]

This tier list would look completely different if we talked about Trials of Osiris... a lot of these supers wouldn't even be ready before the match ends.

[@HAHAd2]

He doesn’t play trials he’s a quickplay warrior

[@VAVORiAL]

Even then, I legitimately don't understand this list lol. I disagree with almost every single ranking here.

[@HAHAd2]

@@VAVORiAL yeah it’s a pretty bad list and he’s a pretty mid player so I wouldn’t take his opinions too seriously

[@Sejikan]

@@HAHAd2 Damn, why you gotta do him dirty like that?

[@senormacaco2834]

@@HAHAd2 You sound smelly

[@enju_lapidemsibilus]

It is worth noting that landfall can kill bubbles if there are two or more gaurdians in the bubble. You kinda just stick your toes into the bubble and then cast it and they just die. It’s kinda inconsistent but I’ve done it several times.

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

agreed, but it's way too situational to call it a reliable shutdown

[@YANKEEEFEVER]

You don't have to be in it, you should be able to hover over it and cast the lighting down and kills them inside.

[@lovekairos]

easier way to do it consistently that i discovered. use the aspect that gives you the buffed melee slide. slide into the bubble with that melee and immediately cast it. anyone nearby dies lol it’s insane and i have been abusing bubble titans and nova bombs as well (you can also if you practice the timing, very easily just blink right over nova bombs)

[@oogabooga2776]

No I'm pretty sure that in arc 3.0 land fall was changed so that it can't do that anymore

[@aceofpizza9932]

It's funny how gathering storm sucks ass in pvp but is probably one of if not the best pve supers.

[@matt6231]

Fish legs go brr

[@4zureSapphire]

Fun thing you can do with shadebinder is using coldsnap grenades to freeze targets and following up with a well timed shatter pulse. Saves you more of your super bar.

[@iamthief]

stasis is a great counter i feel for most supers. kind of hoping stand is also like this as well

[@thatonecomment6893]

untill someone down 50 miles whips out the flaming glock made out of the sun and domes you right out of it.(made with the intention of Titan and warlocks hunters have a insta pop so a bit harder to dome a dude out with gg) stasis is strong assuming you both have it fully unlocked and know how to wield it correctly

[@mochaman29]

jojos x d2?!?!

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Since last season in mayhem I’ve taken to using the arc strider with an exotic chest piece, and it performs wonderfully with the crazy long lasting super, good speed and blend of offence/defence. Stasis and void disruptions throw me off often though, and fighting other arcstriders and sentinels with their own blocks turn the match into brief duel to the death.

[@slingshotnerd]

You give stormtrance too much credit. It’s biggest downfall is not only its lack lack of survivability, but its also the lack of mobility. Sure you can Ionic Blink during super, but compared to Nova Warp’s blink it’s extremely clunky, restrictive, and eats up a big amount of super energy. The only other option is to float around, which isn’t buffed by the amplified speed boost because you aren’t running. When you take that into account, personally I would have swapped Nova Warp’s and Stormtrance’s spots on the Tier list. Nova Warp is pretty good and I think it’s slept on.

[@TDTProductions]

I love nova warp, its my all time fav BUT it struggles against almost every other roaming super. Stormtrance is a tad restrictive but it has guaranteed value with that landfall and it has good range with its normal attack which makes it alright at both killing guardians and killing supers, where as nova is great at killing guardians and inconsistent at killing supers.

[@__g__1400]

@@TDTProductions agreed. because most roaming supers (when dueling) can only survive two hits before dying to the other, nova warp's charge up feels pretty bad

[@Rezn91]

With the recent changes to deadshot Goldie I feel like marksman is that better way to go. The timer just runs out too fast with deadshot to be useful in many cases.

[@itgetsdajobdone]

If I recall correctly, Fist of Havoc's bonus damage is granted based on the time you're in the air (not the height from which you slam) If you do the forward slam as opposed to the neutral slam you should see the damage (mind you I know it is not bugged in PvE, so I could be wrong about PvP)

[@connoringram4948]

Usta work like that. Now as long as your in the air even slighly ya get the bonus dmg. If you go higer your wastin super energy

[@itgetsdajobdone]

​@@connoringram4948no way really? That kinda sucks... I wonder if that means you can get extra high dmg slams off as a result. Gonna do some testing as soon as I get home from work haha

[@ry4x223]

Gathering storm is good for one thing and one thing only…keeping people off zones for 10 seconds in control.

[@destroreact5706]

Witherhoard laughs at this

[@lordlunchmoney]

I just think it's laughable that in Forsaken, Bungie gave Arcstriders a super modification that was just Sentinel's whole gimmick before, and as time progressed, Arc Staff now completely overshadows Sentinel Shield

[@Lolbsterbiscuit]

Glacial Quake’s only saving grace is how badly it shits on other melee supers and bubbles. Unless a Titan vacates the bubble and leaves or team shoots, there’s no way that bubble is sticking around

[@SkoolKidzNerd]

Couldn't agree more

[@dawnofketro]

theres nothing worse than going into pvp, getting your super, and casting gathering storm instead of arc staff

[@zebrastripe665]

Popping the behemoth slam twice inside a bubble is near guaranteed to kill everyone in it, and you can use the slam to make cover to get inside the bubble in the first place... Not arguing d-tier but like you said, it does have A use lol

[@SkoolKidzNerd]

I main behemoth and the amount of times I jump over a bubble and float for them to throw suppressors and I melee away and they supreess themselves is hilarious. Afterwards I go in and just freeze everyone with a slam and punch.

[@alphtheor.879]

early on in year 1 someone threw a slova-bomb at me, and it missed, but a seeker managed to not detonate on a wall and was coming at me, so I bubbled, and that 1 seeker destroyed my bubble, I was a bubble titan in D1 and seeing that broke my heart beyond words, so I preceded to go to the bungie feedback forum and use my words to describe my broken heart.

[@shepkerp5564]

Lightning javelin go brrr and make me happy when I see the entire enemy team peaking the same angle. But you right if you miss your as good as gone

[@ryantann]

you gave nova to much credit

[@Ben-M112]

Too*

[@ShadowNemesis575]

Accurate.

[@TDTProductions]

Which one? Frankly I think they are higher but I think average skilled players land them in B

[@shee__p718]

Dont see how. Vortex is definitely the worst imo, so maybe that. However, slowva as a defensive option is too potent and I would personally put nova warp higher easily. Its way too mobile with decent range to not be. I always get at least 3 kills in control and frequently wipe teams in comp with nova warp.

[@Viperacrx600]

@TDT I personally am a void warlock main. I use Cataclysm Nova bomb. I personally enjoy shutting down supers with it, but what I don't like is how inconsistent it is. Sometimes it tracks, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it hits an invisible rock and blows up early and does nothing. Sometimes the seekers come out, sometimes they don't. A lot of times I blow myself up with it, which I find stupid, as it is one of two supers that you can kill yourself with. When you trade with someone because they simply punched you once during your super, it's pretty dumb. It's not nearly as easy and risk free as T-Crash, which I feel is the best super in the game.

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

No I will never stop using gathering storm. Fight me TDT

[@TDTProductions]

Your super will do that for me

[@thatonecomment6893]

i won a rift in comp because a hunter wiffed a gathering storm that flew by my head. after seeing that i would rather use arc staff

[@AbyssDark]

Can i say how much i love about how you just start the video without a introduction It makes your videos so much unique imo

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

If I were to fix Gathering storm, I’d make it so that it always kills on a direct hit under anything less then resilience 100 with additional durability upgrades, and that crit damage and kills with it refund a portion of super energy like celestial nighthawk does to golden gun, or at least have it pump out ionic traces on damaging enemies or have you and allies standing around it become amplified.

[@2-bitgaming431]

I miss old Spectral Blades

[@peppersnap29]

You're the only one. Old spectral blade was a menace.

[@2-bitgaming431]

@@peppersnap29 that's why I miss it. If you were good it was easy wipes. And if you were really good you could kite an enemy SB an watch them waste their super.

[@thehydragoose]

You miss using it, not going against it

[@Adam-tu1qx]

It’s good against bubble but you’ll never have it when a bubble is popped

[@2-bitgaming431]

@@thehydragoose I literally just explained that I miss both responding to someone else 🤷‍♂️

[@PawDieFur]

Bubble health needs to drop to 10k. There is no reason for a bubble to be unkillable (not the guardian but the actual super) unless you have literally all 6 guardians shooting it with high damage weapons. You can forget it in 3v3. The super is an instant win

[@hyperlink6547]

I use gathering storm cause I don’t want to actually use my super, and want range.

[@ar8590]

Using a super for “area denial” is such cope.

[@wesleyeberly228]

Yeah that’s for grenades

[@tobiasneethling8871]

sounds like somebody got their area denied lol. besides it's not cope its strategy to force people out of an advantageous spot and with how flinch works they have an incentive to move and not just heal + tank

[@ar8590]

@@tobiasneethling8871 dude What are you talking about Area denial is indeed a thing. But using a whole SUPER for it is moronic. The truth is gathering storm is awful. The best “denial” in the game is a roaming super And honestly none of it matters if you can just kill them.

[@tobiasneethling8871]

@@ar8590 yeah but i don't just chuck the spear and do nothing, i'll push up and shoot. it's setting up for kills, i don't care about flat damage, i'm looking for something to allow for pressure and increase panic. You could say i'm a support hunter i guess.

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

I like your explanations TDT, but as a fellow Warlock main, I have to disaagree -- Blade Barrage is substantially better than both Nova Bombs. Its incredibly fast, its multi-directional, its nearly impossible to escape. Outside of Thundercrash, its gotta be the best one-and-done Super in the game. Not to mention that Nova Bomb is a trade-out machine that is extremely easy to die when casting, and because its a projectile, other players can trade with you before they explode. You can still self-destruct with it, as well. Nova Bomb is horrible and as much as I hate Hunters, I won't stand for this Blade Barrage slander. PS: I miss Lance Bomb.

[@trainershade1937]

Man... I wish Bungie knew how to design a video game. I wish I was allowed to enjoy the Golden Gun supers in PvE, but they're the worst supers in the game by a wide margin, especially Six Shooter after the Knock 'Em Down nerf. (Mind you, Hunter in general is still the worst overall class in PvE. Not saying 3.0 hasn't helped, it's more so that Gunslinger doesn't have much going for it, especially seeing as they decided to nerf Blade Barrage, one of its only redeeming factors. Revenant needs a better neutral game, preferably by buffing its pitiful shurikens. Though I'm not saying that Revenant's the only Stasis subclass that could use help, it's just that Behemoth has access to the incredibly powerful Heart of Inmost Light exotic, an exotic that kind of buffs all of Titan's subclasses to being A tier at the minimum. Then there's Arcstrider, which is actually pretty good, it's just a shame that Striker is so obscenely overpowered that it makes every other Arc subclass look like shit.)

[@thewinterprince1731]

I know we are talking about PVP here, but the primary reason I don't like Winter's Wrath is because it's almost pointless in PvE. It's a crowd control super on top of a variety of crowd control skills, with almost nothing for raw DPS. As for the PvP side of things, I've done games where my opponents were screwed, and I've done games where they managed to outrun every single snowball. Frankly, I wish it shot faster ice darts instead of slow-moving snowballs. I'd be fine with sacrificing SOME of the homing effect for an increase in speed and damage, and also ice darts are way cooler than snowballs. XD

[@BC-ni6hp]

Here’s my opinion from a competitive perspective, most is agreeable but this is what I’d change. Behemoth - this is not an “anti-super super”. This was a roaming super that happened to have super-dueling capabilities at the cost of speed. Since it got the nerfs it deserved, it received even more indirect nerfs and was power crept out of the meta due to light 3.0. Your concept of it being an “anti-super super” is not accurate because it doesn’t have the reliability of a shutdown super, and it’s cooldown is the slowest in the game. F- tier. Blade barrage - a very reliable shutdown super that covers a large area, it also has the ability to one shot a guardian with just one knife. B/B+ tier Silence & Squall - Whatever you heard about this super being on the worse side, I must’ve missed. This super is both a decent shutdown and an amazing offensive zoning tool. B/B+ Dawnblade - One of if not the fastest roaming super in the game without the use of a macro. Not only that, but other supers that are/used to be able to get up to speeds similar to dawnblade require a substantial amount of your super energy. A-/A Striker/fists of havoc - It’s been absolutely demolished since the 3.0 update due to losing the already nerfed super regen on kills. This really hurt it as it’s a melee only roaming super, as well as the super energy refunded from a kill would be used to get somewhat close to the next target. The missing damage bonus from aerial strike as well as the cooldown time for this super is the nail in the coffin, it’s just a relic of the past. D-/D Nova warp - very fast with great aoe, but it’s inability to duel supers well makes it weak in competitive as most shutdown supers as well as some roaming supers will be ready at the same time as this. C+/B- Bubble - with the current void kit this is one of the most infuriating things to play against, but the rest of the subclass’s kits do not effect my rating. Despite being popular in pvp, it’s not that difficult to deal with, unless they have a barricade. (This is what actually makes bubble so good). If the overshield didn’t stack it would be close to balanced. S-/S Thundercrash - fast if paired with ballistic slam, and strong enough to take out any super. The only problem with it, is that by itself it’s actually slower than you’d think. Projectile supers like hammers, tether, nova bomb, and even sometimes dawnblade can eliminate it if they see it early. The same goes for players in a well. A+/S- Burning maul - A high damage output super. It has a few things holding it back though, big ones being it’s lack of mobility both in terms of top speed and evasiveness when attacking. B/B+ Well of radiance - THE zone control super. Players receive the same damage buff as bubble in a larger radius along with constant regeneration. One overlooked aspect of this is that if a player is trying to destroy the sword, you will always be able to see the player from a certain angle. Bubble is the opposite, because in order to shoot anyone you have to exit your bubble, which means you lose any overshield. (Unless paired with barricade) Well will also not disappear when the user is killed. Easy S++ Arc staff - suffers from the same mobility issues as fist of havoc, but slightly harder to hit as well as lasting almost twice as long. The duration paired with it’s resist while dodging can make this to somewhat of an offensive zoning tool, similar to silence & squall. B/B+

[@omegawolf8661]

Bro the only problem I have with well is that if your a lock (which I main) to do ANY endgame your well lock always, ALL THE TIME I'm sorry man but it's just SOOOO boring lol

[@MasterCJ117]

I literally use Gathering Storm if I'm on my hunter because Hunter is my least favorite, I like arc sub-class, but I fucking hate how arc staff feels, don't know why but I just don't like it (which is hilarious to me since you rated it the highest). I'd also say Behemoth is at least C maybe even B tier, mainly if you use the 'Howl of the Storm' & 'Cryoclasm' aspects, the amount it adds to the super is insane, the slide boost is instant during super so you can heavy slam then instantly slide into it from far away killing everything inside, and if someone does survive or was outside the range but ends up in front of you, you can freeze them instantly with the melee aspect, and you can combo that slide melee with a heavy slam making you extremely hard to hit. Also a point I always love to bring up during super talk, when Sentinel had the OG Ursa Furiosa it was literally the dumbest nerf that ever happened, I'm not complaining to be fair it was technically busted, but I always think about it because it's an impenetrable shield and it ONLY regenerated energy if it was shot, and I used it so often and would just yell at my screen "Why are you shooting me? RUN you idiot!!!" literally got nerfed because of player base stupidity, good hilarious times

[@pch1370]

"THis LiSt DoeSn't mAkE SeNsE fOr tRiAlS" My brother in christ, there's a total of like 3 supers in the game that would have enough time to get charged in an average trials match.

[@ramandawalbariashar7014]

Titan : Most of my powers I lern from super heroes like captain america and superman. Warlock : Most of my powers I lern from Palpatine, many other Jedi masters and space wizards. Hunter : I only have one sentence about my power, and that is "ANIME".

[@classicjoker2008]

Behemoth is definitely F tier. Yes you can freeze supers and destroy them, but all other supers can just jump out of the way whilst damaging you. Burning mall is C tier. Easy to run away turn a corner, jump away and the fire tornado can't kill.

[@lolgisticalofficer233]

As a Behemoth Main...he's painfully right, please give Behemoth some help bungie. Half the time I'll pop the super just to clog a doorway with ice while taking a point, or make the ice climb up a wall for some places to stand. Also, interestingly, if you throw an ice wall over a tether, the tether won't be able to lock onto anything thanks to the ice covering it. Also some advice for Thundercrash: if you have the space, use Minislam first for a little extra range and speed.

[@FE4R_ClipsY-FL]

imao ur just bad with stasis titan

[@FE4R_ClipsY-FL]

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[@lolgisticalofficer233]

@@FE4R_ClipsY-FL No, I don't think I will

[@lolgisticalofficer233]

@@FE4R_ClipsY-FL And you're an incredibly rude person. I'd you can't be constructive, don't comment.

[@adambrown6669]

Gathering storm could be improved by having it blind and/or Jolt those hit by it, that way if you toss it into a crowd, everyone in that crowd is dying. The blind might make escape harder as you will be disoriented.

[@yordankakosturska7761]

I think it already jolts targets if im not mistaken

[@SantosThePerson]

If you pre-jolt a well and then super it insta kills everything inside of it, and if you do it to a bubble it almost kills it, it'll just need a few hand cannon shots and the bubble is no more

[@pasalking7760]

Can you do one for pve?

[@RurouniHiro]

Yeah, first day we had the arc staff super, threw the damn thing at someone in a well. And did nearly nothing, it slowed the well’s regen and prevented overshield. And let me shotgun the guy to death. Context, it was elim, he was the last of 3 and he was surrounded by my team. Man I miss elim already…

[@SavvyMon4]

Well doesn’t give you an overshield anymore

[@legi0n47x]

They over-did how long arc staff spin lasts. I know it was a 'bug' at first, no idea if it's been fixed or not, but it's a bit much. It use to be a lot shorter but otherwise has always been the same. I agree with most of the rest. Good list.

[@robertgray3710]

Gathering storm is ok but it’s horrible in pvp, it’s less effective then titan storm based that chase you for 20 seconds

[@opulenceharbingerofchaos3939]

Yeet Stick is B tier. My reason why is because it pisses you off.

[@jessekutebua4369]

When I use stormtrance, I find myself being outrun a lot.

[@RespectThePep]

Skate and blink , my friend

[@DieLoreleiValkyr]

Same but whenever I use some blink I feel like I’m wasting so much super energy for a small distance idk

[@profukelele2073]

In many ways I would personally say that most people cannot deal with Hammer of Sol without either popping a super, or being very on top of being able to shut a super down (e.g. aggressive frame snipers such as Occluded finality and even succession, which I can imagine will come into play very often, especially with the new Deep stone Crypt pattern farming) Another thing to point out is that a smart titan can easily shut down an arc staff because YOU CAN THROW YOUR HAMMERS WHILE IN THE AIR. Arc staff additionally cannot deal with the ungodly amount of sunspots it lays down. Yes, the 700+ damage thunderpunch is great- provided your target is not airborne. I have been killed many a time by a dawnblade who so easily outpositions me, block or no block. Easily S tier, because what matters less is the Numbers testing and more the in combat test. Exempli Gratia: "how does it perform in the heat of the moment"? Very few people really give things like this thought when actually testing things like this. Thundercrash, additionally is S tier. Anyone who uses T-crash often holds it until that "perfect moment" like a super being popped or a lot of enemies all bunched up together. Thundercrash is the ultimate shutdown. A tier, at least. Yes, you can be shot down, but that requires a *very* good shot and a very clear head. Something many don't have, even in high level PvP. Finally: Fist of Havoc. The airborne activation damage is what you have to look for. What I see in the video is the following: Activation on ground Jump Slam No, that is not correct. You jump HIGH in the air. Basically you are forcing yourself to be out in the open and hurtling downward like a meteor on activation. Knockout is a must, simply because you heal on kills with fist of havoc, full stop. That in and of itself increases FoH's Resiliency in the fight. Will you struggle with a super? More than likely, but often, super on super fights are nasty and typically evenly matched. I do agree that Glacial quake is very slept on, behemoth in general, is slept on. To make light of Behemoth's shutdown capacity is to make light of how terrifying it is in the right hands. Does it feel underpowered? It does, especially in the heat of the fight. However, glacial quake is also a surprisingly good area defense tool; the stasis crystals block movement, and can even kill enemies/supers who try to brute force their way through. I haven't even begun talking about Thresh. Thresh gives you a small amount of super energy per kill. Now pair that with a super that recharges incredibly fast, like Well of Radiance or even, god forbid, nova bomb, (even thundercrash hits this mark) then you will more than likely spam it multiple times a match, meanwhile other guardians don't have a super up, making it a guaranteed engagement winner.

[@fallen5983]

thing about arcstaff vs airborne supers is you can still deflect

[@profukelele2073]

@@fallen5983 yes, but many don't.

[@dirtybird2930]

After you said blade barrage was bad everything else sounded like white noise

[@thewitchkingofangmar9195]

This is why I love your channel. I saw the short, thought he needs to make a vid on this. And u did

[@gregmatic2861]

I never play hunter but all this time I thought gathering storm was a grenade.

[@wathborn]

By the way in session of the plunder arc staff damage resistance was 93% before it was nerfed and had blink on the subclass also and with rijus harness it could last for 40 seconds it diverved S ter insanity

[@wathborn]

I think it can still last that long right now I could be wrong

[@LightCrib2]

I think you should have specified PvP

[@montregloe]

Gathering Storm just feels like a PVE and shutdown of a location. I think it should have a stronger Scorn Arc trapper tether pull. Cooldown should be shorter too. I always thought having the staff that you run around with and you can throw to too, and the other variation lets you block with whirlwind guard.

[@Lord-Of-Dirt]

I thought the striker in-air bonus was when you cast the super

[@afrosamurai3091]

Blades are easily A tier. Void now and Squal are B at best.

[@felixthescholarlytitan4437]

Seeing as how I’m more of a PvE player, I can’t help but wonder how the Super tier list would change when applied to PvE. Any chance we might get that in the future?

[@everythingsalright1121]

The list is kinda reversed tbh. Gathering storm is a lot better in pve. Range, big dmg, any enemy you impale with it (likely the boss) is gonna deep fry all the small mobs around him for a while with the extra zappies. On the other hand arc staff doesnt work as well in pve since reflecting enemy attacks doesnt do nearly as much damage as it does in pvp, even if you try to reflect a raid boss attack with its specific exotic that increases projectile reflection dmg it tops out at like 16k. A far cry from the like 400k gathering storm will do. It also imo doesnt feel like it lasts very long in pve. Another one that gets ranked pretty high here but isnt as good in pve is daybreak, its damage isnt spectacular against bosses in pve, and its clearing of small enemies isnt as great as say, hammer of sol since the impacts are rather small and linear unless you use a fragment slot for explosions on solar supers. Its got a long cooldoen and you can get at most 8 shots off with it if you mash nonstop. Simply put theres better clearing supers out there in pve than it, like stormtrance (which if you have crown of tempests can last an absurd amount of time) These are just my feelings ofc im sure other people have spent more time on this game

[@iisave8247]

@@everythingsalright1121 I would agree. Daybreak used to be much better at clear before it's nerf in 3.0. Go explosion solar tree and everything that isnt the boss is getting blown up. But now it feels like I'm better off just sticking to guns than actually using daybreak. Like it lacks a purpose almost in PvE. If you want boss damage, there are better options. If you want horde clear, there are better options. Which sucks. I used to love the explosion chains you'd get off Daybreak in PvE.

[@norionwinter7312]

Fist of Havoc's bonus damage use to work but it's been nearly nonexistent ever since arc 3.0 If I remember correctly, it use to scale a lot the higher you were in the air. I haven't been able to notice any significant changes in it's damage since Arc 3.0

[@DJayPhresh]

I think Hunter's House of Flying Daggers super is definitely B-tier. Not as much staying power as slowva bomb or vortex, but one of the fastest and most powerful burst supers in the game imo.

[@Cef-pm9cv]

I thought most warlock supers would be lower they always seem like gimmicks then supers

[@Kaderade999]

They are, he’s just been smoking that green if you know what I mean 💨💨

[@pittdevil5833]

Your reasons on behemoth make no sense it can do so much

[@RoyaIl886]

Thunder crash in my opinion is a S tier super, it can shut down any other super, and If you are a good player you can kill the whole enemy team in one shot, but in higher levels of gameplay that usually doesn't happen alot. It also counters your twirly little hunter super unless you are an idot and try to impact them directly instead of killing them with the blast. The only thing that counters it is tethers and the stasis warlock super. But then again, I've played with Titan throughout my whole destiny 1 and 2 career.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

I think people are not completely refering to PvP.

[@ninjamericapt2733]

im still going to use my funny lightning stick

[@PawDieFur]

With that as well, the life the titan has/guardians have in the bubble needs to be max 300. Again, no reason to not be able to shut it down by normal means. Bungie stated they shanties supers to be fightable. Bubble completely nullifies what they said

[@kinetic_krown]

Knives are better than nova bomb

[@yhelloh]

For gathering storm, it’s great for 7th columns in pvp. You throw it in a high traffic area and can force players down a different lane. 6 shot goldie after the nerf is B-C tier now. It’s great against players who are unaware of supers (which helped me get over 500 7th columns), but the moment someone hears or sees goldie in the feed, they have finally learned to run and hide until it runs out.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

you're nuts if you think gathering storm is "great for 7th columbs". Sure you can get some area denial with it being there but outside of the impact damage (which isn't guaranteed because the pole just doesn't go where you aim it most of the time and that's without hitbox/lag jank) the damage isn't aggressive enough to stop someone from just going through it if you aren't actively babysitting it so forcing someone to take a different path is kinda a moot point. I mean any decent support super or pocket support player can just flat out out-heal the damage. Great seventh column supers have good DR, good mobility, and good damage to put people down without much resistance Gathering Storm has none of that. It's not Golden Gun, Thundercrash, or Winter's Wrath. It's a good PvE super for sustained damage especially with star eater scales but people need to stop trying to die on this hill. It's a bad PvP super just like behemoth so accept that and eventually it'll get a buff so it's actually worth using in PvP.

[@shiftym1]

What makes Bubble bad in 6s is the sheer amount of other supers that can one shot people inside it. From personal experince: Landfall can, Thundercrash, Blade Barrage, Arcstrider (as shown), Stasis Warlock, etc. I now look for bubble on the other team and wait for them to pop it just to thundercrash it.

[@tkgwildfire5339]

Daybreak not Dawnblade.

[@Lucky-wz4rh]

I’d say the one thing that arcstrider struggles with is the basic hunter movement. It’s kinda slow unless you can bang your head on something, and I’ve outrun arcstriders before. But that might just be me.

[@revy2348]

doing the "jump swing" combo makes you go like 2x faster so you can actually catch up to someone whos running away, only problem is it wastes some super energy

[@JetstreamRat]

using vortex since 2014. no regrets apart from 2014 suicide throws.

[@scottforsythe37]

Massive underrate on Blade Barrage

[@SealFormulaMaster]

Wouldn't Gathering Storm be a decent area denial super? Sure, Void, and to a lesser degree Stasis, could do the job better especially when you factor in grenades, but could still help to get enemies off of a cap point when combined with other tools like Witherhord or explosives like GLs. Not saying Gathering Storm should be A or anything, but surely it could go up to D at least for crowd control/area denial.

[@DLiteLife]

Would be cool if you rate every subclass if you haven’t already

[@who_be_dis8356]

Agree with everything accept for Silence and Squall. I actually think it should absolutely be in D tier. It's WAYYY too escapable and slow as hell afterwords. Your only real hope to kill a good amount of people is that initial freeze, or if the enemy team consists entirely of turtles. It's good for area denial, but that's not saying too much given once again how slow the tornado is.

[@HikawaTamer]

Gathering storm is frustrating but fun, hitting the floor and hit for 166 does need a buff but it wont stop me from throwing a titan thunder crash that doesnt 1 shot

[@commander4369]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, anyway they’re all mid

[@rye7839]

I used cataclysm on a freshly sprung titan bubble the other day, the initial impact broke the sphere while the chasers took out the two players inside. Not arguing with your rankings, it was just fun to see it play out.

[@weluv_immy]

Fun fact: One Golden gun shot (pretty sure both) can 1 shot a nova bomb

[@asurareyarth4847]

I only have one objection amidst all this, and that’s probably a mix of bias/personal experience (As a warlock Main since D1) And that’s well of radiance. It should be S-Tier not because of its time to recharge or even its PvP value, but because it’s so integral to end game activities and it’s value multiplies per guardian benefiting from it that the Developers have basically built raids and dungeons around its existence. I’ve never been in a Raid or Dungeon where well of radiance wasn’t our biggest Crutch/Necessary super for the sake of Boss DPS and even surviving that accursed Turkey! (Spire of the watcher Wyvern Boss).

[@fridgegaming1544]

how to make deadfall really stupid - don't play a noise for enemies when it is cast / don't put a message in chat saying that "X cast -shadowshot-" - only play a sound / message if someone gets close to the *trap*

[@ShadowDestiny]

hot take: spectral blades is S tier, most people just don't know how to use it well

[@TDTProductions]

Fair enough

[@19rafar77]

Arc poledancer is the only super i use in pvp, cuz even when on void i rarely tether and i don't like spectral blades

[@JohnDoe73736]

One thing about the blade dancer super is that it lasts so damn long

[@morsperferro3419]

FoH in B? Above Spectral and Dawnblade? My dude, you’re tripping. FoH is easily the worst super in the game, cos of horrendous hit reg, low res, super slow swings and it lasts less that an attention span of an average Tic-Tok watcher. It’s so bad that I’d rather just shoot my gun instead of using it. And big hammer in A? Ayooo, you only needed to wait 4.5 month with this list.

[@joshsmith7808]

I think youve got Poledancer and Stasis Lock mixed up. Shadebinder is the only roaming super that outright beats Arcstrider, because it beats literally everything. I know Strider has insane uptime, but who cares about another 10 seconds on your super when you can kill people you dont know about around 2 corners from 40 meters

[@tonytopol8092]

I have one complaint, as a behemoth titan: Behemoth is absolutely hands down the worst super in the game. Longest cooldown tier. One of the lowest resiliences. Extremely slow moving since they nerfed the light attack and cryoclasm into the ground. Its heavy attack fails to freeze targets in area like 50% of the time. Its windup is also abysmally slow and easy to dodge. You can't cancel out of heavy or light attack. You cannot combo the heavy and light attack. It utterly fails at killing any other super, ever, including Gathering Storm. It utterly fails at killing Guardians. It is fucking abysmal and I hate it passionately, to the point that I will literally prefer to not cast it as I am more likely to win a fight not in super vs in super, even against other supers.

[@dylanlasky2389]

You can skate very fast with burning maul by the way. Also I'm not sure but I think getting direct hits with it do extra damage. I get one shot kills all the time with it.

[@Jokey_YT]

First of havoc only has the bonus damage when you activate the super in the air, depending on what height you get, the greater the damage

[@umbrashadowmoon5685]

Honestly I thought bubble is A tier and well of radiance a B tier. If I remember correctly, I believe Bungie nerfed well of radiance healing rate. What I am really surprised is warlock stasis a S tier. U surprised me in this video (as an interesting/good way).

[@khalil2460]

Why is burning maul A tier? I was expecting B tier at most but vs other roaming supers like behemoth, nova warp, chaos reach, fist of havoc, sentinel except spectral blades there utility seem way better. Essentially I’m wondering why that’s A tier but sentinel isn’t.

[@Attelocin217]

My main objection to all of this is that it's fully removed from context. Sure, the lightning rod super might suck alone, but paired with a hunter chasing you and shooting you and making the most of the damage? It's solid. Most people don't know how to use the warlock's blinky void thing, and thundercrash is okay but fairly easy to avoid from a distance. Just a lot here that isn't being taken into consideration.

[@austingoodman2177]

It hurts so much seeing the state void Hunters are in right now. All three of our supers are bad, our grenades are nothing to write home about, and invisibility (the one reason to pick the subclass) has now become a handicap. The sandbox has so much broken shit in it (Titan storm nades, shoulder charge, bubble, arc Warlock melee) yet Nightstalker can't be good because Gwisin vest was broken 3 years ago.

[@grantwashburn3200]

[INSERT MIKE WASOWSKI HERE] Staring at the Shadebinder warlock from my Well of Radiance

[@aldomartin2992]

gathering storm doesn't need a buff. Arc hunters are already overpowered. Slova bomb should definitely not be B tier. People can easily outrun it and the fact it can be used as a shield doesn't exactly make it B no IMO. Well is definitely S tier. One well placed well will easily turn most 6 v 6 matches around or be the final nail in the coffin. Also, good warlocks know to hide the sword from the enemy

[@sherlocksvp5537]

I'm sorry, but some of these are seriously over or underplaced by a huge margin. I'm seriously not sure what gamemode you'll ever play where ticklefingers would EVER be A tier. In literally any game mode with high elo players, that thing is lucky to be C tier at best. Ong some of this list seems like it's made when looking at low skill matches or just how the supers work on paper but not in an actual game.

[@iJsmoove]

I still don’t like that the hunter stasis disk were ever nerfed in the first place. When they first dropped 2 of them in the crucible would freeze an enemy. Now 2 of them just slows a player down 50% for 3 seconds🤨 that would be fine if the warlock melee ability was the same but no. just one of those completely freezes a player and when you pop a well it freezes players too leaving hunter hanging dry… again

[@LAZERAK47V2]

The problem with S&S isn't that it's bad exactly, it's rather that it's inconsistent. Sometimes it works great, other times the pathing gets stuck and it just sulks in a corner like the frigid bitch that it is. Also, unlike with Deadshot, the single biggest skillshot Super in the game, it actually kills on hit. Seriously Bungie, why the hell doesn't Deadfall kill on hit? It's the hardest Super in the game to hit directly and you only get a single projectile.

[@zacharyhsieh9358]

How is fist of havoc b tier? It’s easily d tier with its inability to deal with any shutdowns and its new damage falloff that it didn’t used to have on slams before arc 3.0. The fact that it’s bugged with the extra damage w/ air time makes it even harder to use the initial slam as a shutdown, and each slam having such great endlag and forcing you to go into melee range leaves you extremely vulnerable to any type of range super or normal guardian. You need to use the left click to close the gap, but doing so takes an extreme amount of energy, resulting in a swift burnout before you’re able to kill any more than 1 person. Prior to the update, I would agree top tree arc fist of havoc is at least b tier if not a tier, but after its nerfs and it’s current “bug” (genuinely thought they removed damage w/ air time to nerf it before you said it was bugged), it’s absolutely horrible. This is especially true when missile is the counterpart with the same super cooldown. I still use this super most of the time because I like it better than missile (favorite super before arc 3.0), but I have to admit that it absolutely sucks.

[@graysonbrooker3287]

Dawnblade Quiver (both types) Gathering storm Blade barrage Golden gun Silence and Squall etc, can all be deflected by arc staff

[@guns_up_m8383]

I'm not sure if it's just me but I find dawnblade an f super. Long cooldown. Not too great against other super and very inconsistent. I hit a guardian for 2 damage and it doesn't let me Icarus dash anymore and I have to wait like 10 seconds between each dash and while thats happening, im getting shot at and I'm stuck in crappy warlock glide

[@codym2108]

I have never once had a slowva bomb save me from anything... hell, I've had strikers and arc staffers dance straight through the middle of my Nova bomb. Cataclysm is D tier at best IMO

[@SpecOpsDoctor]

B barrage c tier? Spectral blades D tier? Hunter stasis super c tier? Are you ok?

[@electricbee19]

Finally!!! Someone else finally thinks arc staff is a great super 😭😭