Team RWBY's Creation Plan EXPLAINED!

[@ArchonPlays]

Over the past few years, Arnold has been slowly turning into Oobleck.

[@MurderofBirds]

Slowly turning into my favorite Beacon DOCTOR? I'll gladly take that compliment, thank you!

[@majorleaguezombie796]

@@MurderofBirds just replace the coffee with water, and the super speed movement with the super speed talking, and yeah, basically Doctor Arnold.

[@leomoreno7369]

@@MurderofBirds Petition for Rooster Teeth to hire Arnold to play Oobleck in the inevitable Return to Beacon Arc.

[@Manuel-qk8uj]

Doctor Arnold Oobleck

[@AxolPiezz]

@@leomoreno7369 nah they gotta make him the teacher of vale

[@lyconxero457]

One small thing that people miss is that Ambrosius can clearly create on his own separate from the rules of the staff, like when he created the magnifying glass to examine Penny.

[@MurderofBirds]

EXACTLY!

[@effortlessfury]

To further comment on folks who are upset about the loopholes: Ambrosius is all about loopholes. The less specific people are in their creation requests, the more creative he gets to be (which he enjoys), and his creativity is essentially exploiting loopholes in the requests made of him; he actively looks for ways to add his own touch to the requests. Additionally, he was aware from the beginning that they were trying to save Penny's life. Ruby was upfront about that fact. He knew what they "wanted" but he has to make what they "ask" for. Honestly, Ambrosius seemed happy to execute their request because of its creativity and the creative freedom they explicitly gave him. And of course, as you pointed out, he said himself that the outcome was unclear. Team RWBY accepted that risk, and so Ambrosius did as they asked.

[@blueflarecharizard7295]

I don't mean to disprove you or anything in the sort but I don't remember anything about the staff of creation being one to exploit loopholes. I thought it was that you need to describe how to create something in order for it to be created by him. Did I miss that part, if so could you tell me where in the episode?

[@effortlessfury]

@@blueflarecharizard7295 It's not explicitly stated that way, but Ambrosius uses any vagueness in the request as an opportunity for creativity; for example, he laments at how specific the evacuation plan is. However, Team RWBY didn't ask for a bottomless pit that necessitated a dire warning, did they? He used a gap in their request, which I'm likening to a loophole, to add something to their request that was not specified. Penny's "human form" was also something Ambrosius added to their request that they did not specify.

[@DVDHarbinger]

To piggyback off of what you were saying, he also seems to at every opportunity make sure that they are giving him that freedom to "be creative". He knows what they want, but its also to see what they are willing to let him do.

[@blueflarecharizard7295]

@@effortlessfury I see, kinda wish they explicitly say it but whatever. However wasn't there another rule, where he can only create one thing at a time where if you created something else the previous object would lose it's function or disappear, something like that?

[@andyreacts]

Beautifully stated.

[@AaronGoodTastyJams]

It’s kinda like how Aladdin was able to get that extra wish out of the genie to save himself from the Cave of Wonders. There’s a strong fairytale precedent for using loop holes in wording to get what you really want without explicitly asking for it. Makes total sense to me.

[@marichatismynameandladynoi1990]

I thought it was pretty smart of them but no the main characters aren’t allowed to be smart cause that’s boring for some reason

[@alexjd1278]

Oh wow i've experienced something glorious Your comment has 69 likes i wont ruin it so now i cant like it but its a sacrifice im willing to make 🌞

[@alexjd1278]

@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 its not even just RWBY either it was all of our hero cast if you will I dont see an issue with it either They have whitley, Ozpin, and weiss they seem pretty smart and Ozpin has lived for so long he's bound to be somewhat smart

[@AaronGoodTastyJams]

@@alexjd1278 thank you for your service to the cause

[@kokayinewsome9308]

That's what Ruby did when Jinn was called but no wish used.

[@mizel.i]

It was really some clever move and the fact they thought about it less than one hour makes it so much more impressive.

[@KitsyX]

I mean, I expect Ozpin is pretty intelligent and possibly had done similar stuff in the past... I mean where he used a similar loophole to permanently create something... Failing that, Ruby and Jaune are both pretty creative and the rest of them aren't necessarily stupid either... I reckon they could figure it out together pretty quickly... And we might not know it was an hour specifically... He didn't say she had to be there in an hour, right? He just needed to hear from them by then... Although I expect he wouldn't let them delay by much.

[@NilCaelum]

People are getting caught up on “get creative” when the important like was “you can’t destroy”

[@t0t946]

@@NilCaelum they used he can't destroy to their advantage

[@ctcdreamer]

Indeed but because they spent so much time planning that, they made critical errors when asking for the Vacuo portals

[@NilCaelum]

@@ctcdreamer I think it goes to show just how careful they had to be. Three words was all it took to make that error

[@lilgumba]

That was a very Aladdin big brain (like just how he got out of the Cave of Wonders) move RWBY did. What the genies do on their own volition is independent of what was requested.

[@Gamer026]

That is a damn good comparison.

[@ShayBelladonna]

INDEED!

[@lolzism1]

Thank fuck someone actually put the context together to shut down all the complaints coming from Penny coming back. Just like RWBY getting Penny saved, you worded this exactly and precisely.

[@tristanescure7384]

I think people also forget that the Relics were made by the god of Light to help Ozma against Salem so the spirits are beholden to the rules BUT generally benevolent. That's why Jhin accepted Ruby's rule bend and wasn't more upset that Hazel asked no question. The spirits aren't here to screw people over or punish them for using the powers of the relics. If anything, a character like Ambrosis was probably more interested in the challenge of figuring out a solution than in following the rules.

[@prisoner6266]

That's what makes them interesting. A designer genie who loves making things for people while adding their own touch is much more interesting than a trickster who is seeking to mess with everyone they can.

[@blak4831]

Also like how Jinn gave way, *way* more explanation on "What is Ozpin hiding from us" than she really needed to. She likes the kids, she's here for the good of humanity, and they needed to know

[@tenofprime]

@@blak4831 Like in when it shows a previous Oz host asking how he can destroy Salem. She could have told him he could not but then tell him who could, however she chose not to. She has to answer but how detailed the answer is, that is her call.

[@RexusprimeIX]

​@@blak4831 Not really, they asked what he was hiding, so she told them EVERYTHING he kept hidden from them. She didn't give more information than what was needed, she told them exactly what they asked for "What is ozpin hiding" which is all of his life. And to answer @tenofprime comment: again it wasn't up the Jhinn how detailed the answer is. Ozpin asked "How do I stop Salem" And she answered that "HE" cannot stop her. Because he asked how do "I" stop her, not how "TO" stop her. Jhin doesn't decide what to reveal and what not to reveal, she answered your exact question.

[@arrexu01]

Talk about rules are made to be broken. That isn't something kids should learn. Like someone once said "RWBY is a superhero series/movie that tries to be realistic."

[@Lukedan98]

This explanation was perfect, I didn’t initially understand in the episode but this does, thank you for explaining

[@mrtouchmynub4178]

The thing is that it’s never stated what Penny actually is now. She looks Human but Ambrosius gives off such a eccentric vibe that he literally could have gotten ‘creative’.

[@sorrowfulrose3082]

right there was a speculation in the comments last week where they noticed when bot penny scans now "human penny" it was just a black void with aura rather than a human body underneath or heat signatures resulting in her possibly not being "human" in the same sense as everyone else is physically

[@cameroncooper5941]

@@sorrowfulrose3082 Yeah, I kinda subscribe to that line of thinking too. She clearly isn't just an aura, but she isn't truly human either.

[@basetempest7106]

@@cameroncooper5941 She's likely a new species all together, the mother of a new race on remnant. We have humans, Faunus, and whatever penny might be classified as in the future.

[@jamiee7367]

@@sorrowfulrose3082 If Penny's new body was completely (or even mostly) aura, it would make sense with Ambrosius' question of "how much would be my work, and how much would be her just coming up to the surface?" There would be a genuine question of how much of penny's body is Ambrosius reshaping her aura, & how much of it is manifesting from penny's soul (since aura is just a manifestation of one's soul).

[@mrtouchmynub4178]

@@jamiee7367 So she may be something akin to a humanoid soul? It’s very possible.

[@ImStrange_]

Brilliantly explained. Very well done, Arnold. Even though I knew what happened myself beforehand, this breakdown opened my eyes to other subtler factors I hadn't considered. Bravo, good sir!

[@MurderofBirds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@terfio]

also noted, that Ambrosious was very positive about Team RWBY in the first place. They stroke his artistic ego + being humble but prepared enough. They made a big impression on him. Nothing fancy. Not a "FLOATING PEDESTRIAN CITY". It was a honest yet complex wish. Oscar had the background info, that he is this kind of character. Being on his positive side made the chance of success vastly higher. Ambrosious could have given them ANYTHING else with Penny's soul in it. He wouldnt put it in a stone and call it a day, since he seems to be proud of his creation, but it could definitly be something else easily. But since they were on his good side and he certainly catched their drift and being impressed and all, he gave them what they truely desired all along. I think that part was executed very well.

[@ZafiroDoesGames]

TL:DR, this is the interaction between Team RWBY and Ambrosius. Team RWBY: "Create a new Penny with her existing parts" Ambrosius: "But won't that leave her soul behind?" Team RWBY: "That sounds like a 'you' problem"

[@amransom26]

SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 13! Don’t read if you haven’t seen it. We see the consequences of word choice with Ambrosius (can’t remember how to spell his name so sorry if it’s wrong). When explaining the portals, Weiss says “people enter through one side and exit on the other, a one way ticket to Vacuo”, I’m paraphrasing but that’s the gist of what she said. So he literally made it so that once you enter the Vacuo portal you can’t turn around and come back through.

[@matthewletexier]

They got sloppy when they had a success, and while it worked, it'll cost them so

[@modernalchemist2690]

I'd like to hope so, the plan was always kinda stupid to begin with regardless of the exact wording given to our magical macguffin.

[@maddie_jade]

Hey Professor MurderofBirds, can you say that louder for the people in the back?! I’m really glad you made this to explain to everyone who sees this normally and now, people can just share this to explain to everyone who’s confused who might not be subbed to you.

[@marichatismynameandladynoi1990]

I agree

[@amransom26]

You’ve said it so much better than I could. It’s ok if people don’t like it, but it makes sense, it didn’t come out of nowhere. The writers actually had some excellent wordplay this episode. He cannot destroy, so leaving her soul without a body or outright destroying it after the next request is out of the question, a loophole. Then like he said a soul needs a body, so he was forced to give her a body for the aforementioned “no killing” rule. And it was a gamble, the characters even mention this. There was a chance were his powers were limited and the “new” Penny would vanish once they created something else. But they at least tried and got what they wanted.

[@relic5752]

Well, it did kinda come out of nowhere. Outside of the "One creation" rule, none of the others were established until this episode: the fact that a spirit resides in the spear, how he needs a reference, how careful wording is needed for people to get what they want, and, most importantly, the no kill rule. The execution becomes rather shaky from this, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

[@ozai3745]

@@relic5752 that's the point though, they explained all of that before they made the wish aside from the no kill rule, which should have been obvious. There was no other reason to even mention the rules of the Creation relic until now, it would've been out of place if it was randomly placed somewhere else. And personally I thought it was more likely than not that a spirit would reside in the spear since the Knowledge relic did.

[@relic5752]

@@ozai3745 One out of four a pattern does not make. Regardless, there are several spots where, since the topic of conversation is the spear itself, it could have naturally come up. Regardless of the reasoning behind why it wasn't placed earlier, it's placement now cheapens the plan made in this episode which overall has issues with rushing through things.

[@KingMufasa_8]

@@relic5752 why would the topic of the spear come up when they never planned to even use it?

[@crimsonxero5924]

@@relic5752 Like KingMufasa stated, what you're saying makes zero sense.

[@arx_5744]

I kept replaying that part over and over trying to understand it. Turns out all I needed was a man with two jars!

[@gabematamoros0707]

My man really explained everything with two jars 😂😂

[@MurderofBirds]

HIGH QUALITY CONTENT ONLY!

[@Gamer026]

@@MurderofBirds High Quality content with High Quality jars.

[@thomaschitham3487]

​@@MurderofBirds (reposting this here so I get the little hashtag thing, hopefully so it gets noticed. = I know this comment is probably going to get buried, but I have to mention my opinion on why I disagree and why you missed the point. I'm not saying that RWBY should have told him how to make a human body. I'm saying that Penny's human body should have been destroyed. The body wasn't made by Penny's aura/soul. It is specifically state and inferred by Ambrosius and Ruby to have been made by him. It was made by Ambrosius' power, which means that regardless of the loophole, it should have been destroyed. You can't use the "he can't destroy" rule against that, because if that were true, then Team RWBY could just have easily have asked him to make a new body for Penny sans the virus, and then when he tried to make something new they'd go "uh uh uh, you can't destroy" and Penny lives. But they explicitly stated that RWBY can't do that, which means that wouldn't have worked. Which means that Penny's new Human body should have been destroyed upon making a new wish. Furthermore, it is unlikely Penny's aura/soul would have been destroyed: Ozma and the Brother of Light's conversation in Jinn's flashback make it clear that there is a form of afterlife, so Penny dying wouldn't have destroyed the soul. Also, the "Can't destroy" rule doesn't work, since he clearly destroys his creations after a new one is made. Now you may say "But that's just his power at work, not him." Okay, but that just means Penny's new body would have been destroyed regardless. If he personally destroyed his creations after every wish, then that means that can and is destroying them, making it a lie, but he can't control it, then that means Penny's human body should still be destroyed as it was something made by his power. Plus, he can destroy things indirectly. He was asked to make a new Penny using her exact Robot parts. Okay. Then he was asked to make the tunnels... and the robot Penny got destroyed. He never made those robot parts. He made the body with them, but the parts were pre-existing, which shows that he can destroy things very easily if it's indirect. Which further supports that the rule is a complete lie. THAT'S the problem with the episode. The loophole is a plothole. The only actual loophole in this is that RWBY got two things for one wish. That's it. Doesn't change the fact that Penny's human body, since it was made by his power, should have been destroyed.

[@LumeanTV]

Sometimes all you need is two jars.

[@crimsonxero5924]

@@thomaschitham3487 Read the other comments. They disprove what you just said.

[@Honeyboobooboo]

If Penny joins Juan, Ren, and Nora they can become team JNPR.

[@ayar2]

but Nora was about to begin her own journey to find herself alone, does that left team JRP?? (one letter away from being a video game genre)

[@MandyMan24]

@@ayar2 no, she won’t leave JNPR. Nora was specifically talking about her relationship with Ren. As for Penny joining JNPR - that won’t happen. They’ve all agreed that Pyrrha is still a part of the team and isn’t replaceable even if she can’t physically be there.

[@ShayBelladonna]

Great idea tho

[@justindeliwe8065]

His name is Jaune not "Juan"

[@Honeyboobooboo]

@@justindeliwe8065 I like to call him Juan.

[@vengeance3208]

"I've got no Jar, To hold me down, To make me fret, or make me frown"

[@Shane_A_M]

“Sealed in a Jar but now I’m free...”

[@billsutherby]

Wording is very important with these relic spirits. With that in mind, a second explanation as to why Jinn wasn't more upset at Oscar, Hazel and Emerald summoning her and not asking a question is the exact words she told Ruby in volume 6: "I will not allow YOU to summon me without a question again." That is to be exact, she will not allow RUBY to pull that stunt again; she never said anything about anyone else doing it. The rest of your explanation of this scene is spot-on my man. It's EXACTLY like I had reasoned it out in my head. I can understand people still being somewhat confused or unable to follow this logic. But to any of the "fans" who have figured it out themselves, or learned it through your video and STILL thinks that this reasoning doesn't fit with the rules, then they are not actual fans at all and they're just being petty, nit-picking dipshits.

[@python1972]

Also she does seem to be fond of Ozpin for, whatever reason so maybe he gets special privileges?

[@SlimTheydy]

@@python1972 it's possible ozpin has been the person to talk to her the most over the years, probably the only person in remnant she truly KNOWS instead of just knowing everything about them

[@KitsyX]

We can also assume that as Jinn knows everything, she knows Oscar/Ozpin thought they were going to ask a question and it's not that he was abusing the time-freeze aspect... As a result, she at least has less reason to be mad about it... Well, I don't even think she was mad at Ruby, I think she maybe just felt she shouldn't let herself be misused... Either way, I think it makes plenty of sense.

[@prisoner6266]

@@KitsyX Exactly, I think she was fairly proud of Ruby for that one

[@SeanCC]

Her reaction when she comes out to find Cinder, et al, also implied she doesn't know who's summoning her until she's popped out. She looked surprised.

[@xKunoz]

ngl, the word play went over my ahead and thought they created the "human" penny, but after seeing this video, you're def correct that it does make sense and the wordplay was extremely subtle

[@autotunie7525]

I love how smart Murder is, I also love how he explains things with detail. That way all I have to do is sit back and listen. Appreciate ur hard work and dedication brother

[@aj.s.photography]

I love loopholes and word play but damn does it make my head hurt sometimes

[@acgearsandarms1343]

I find Ambrosius is like a lot of artists and content creators. When you commission them, you do need to do the work to explain what you want in as much detail as possible. They aren’t miracle workers so they can only do so much. They need to be creative as they can while satisfying the request. It can vary in degrees of difficulty. Always appreciate the people you commission.

[@JamesCPotter13]

The fact that I already had to deal with the Ship of Theseus in WandaVision and THIS comes up a week later is astounding.

[@Gisselle4529]

I was genuinely confused. I know a lot of people were complaining about “Human Penny” but I was mainly hung up on the part she said make an exact robot Penny because I thought they were making a second Penny & I was like “what”? That honestly clears everything up.

[@Spectralyzed]

Basically, in case Arnold's explanation is a bit confusing, the reason "human" Penny exists and isn't destroyed when the staff is used again, is because human Penny wasn't part of the creation they asked for, since what they asked for was a version of Penny using her existing parts and virus, which intentionally leaves out the soul. Human Penny is then something that Ambrosius was semi forced to make, because he was unable to destroy her soul, and the only way to not destroy her soul was to make her a new body, but since they didn't technically ask him to do that, she just exists now, separate from the staff's rules. That's the loophole. She isn't part of the request, so she doesn't get removed when the staff is used again.

[@vash3055]

I like what they did. They did take a major gamble with the plan though. They even said it themselves. There was a chance that he had some limitation that would have stop it from working.

[@ayar2]

thats what separates them from ironwood, when cornered they are willing to risk everything not knowing if it would work, James on the other hand doesnt want to take risks and holds onto more power to avoid being in a position in which he'll need to gamble. theres a place to take risks and theres a place to play safe, the former is when youre out of options and dont have nothing else to lose, the later is when you have the upper hand but your opponent is smart enough to turn the tables on you if they manage to bait you. (like the final battle on haven, watts plan was smart, but cinder`s ego was in the way)

[@tenofprime]

I can only imagine that the characters took a few passes to get the wording right. Going around the room and making sure it would have the least chance of backfiring. Even Ruby's delivery of the lines hints at it, she is speaking very deliberately and it sounds like she spent a while rehearsing it.

[@modernalchemist2690]

Kinda doubt it since wording is exactly what is screwing things up with the plan to go Vacuo. I think it was more just a gamble on Penny if anything.

[@whocares6757]

@@modernalchemist2690 well the problem with the one-way portal to vacuo is that what wife said to make it that way was after they had already succeeded. They had already said what they had rehearsed and Weiss had relaxed and said something without thinking.

[@kibert135]

This video was really great, but I have two little things to add: 1. I am still not confident Penny just got a human body now. I get why team RWBY was cagey about not telling him to create a human body because they wanted to make sure that they had nothing to do with what Ambrosius would do with Penny's soul. But Ambrosius himself was very excited about what he would do so for it to just boil down to creating a human body seems strange. But I expect some kind of comment from Pietro to clear things up. 2. I get why you say again and again that Penny "is a real girl now". But that isn't what happened. RWBY as a show was VERY clear since we found out about her being an android that Penny was always a real girl. Blake also says it in this episode. I just think a pretty important nuance gets lost when we don't at least awknoledge that Penny always was a real girl and that what happened in this episode was about saving her and giving her autonomy over her body and not about making her a real girl.

[@blueblade6174]

In this context, calling Penny a real girl is referring to her having an organic body. It's like saying she's a complete real girl now, while in the past she was a special kind of real girl.

[@mrtouchmynub4178]

Exactly. It’s never stated what Penny exactly is now. She looks human but Ambrosius literally had a moment where he was figuring out how much of Penny would be his creation vs the original Penny.

[@Matthewrents]

So Pinocchio was a real boy the whole time... 🤷‍♂️

[@kibert135]

​@@Matthewrents If you don't get what I am saying, why waste your time with an empty gotcha comment?

[@kibert135]

@@blueblade6174 That is why I am saying I get it why he is saying it. But it is still possible for a lot of people to miss what he means

[@willanrac]

I like how this epsidoes really tests how much viewers are paying attention.

[@arx_5744]

Ambrosius could've made the vessel for Penny's soul out of anything. He could've went with creating a new mechanical body for Penny again, but he created a human-esque body for her. I'd like to think it's because of his character, like "Robot? Pfft. Why create something that's already been done?" He has the loophole/opportunity to basically create life - the greatest creation he normally can't achieve. By this, RWBY universe seems to consider the soul as 'life' and not a heart or brain.

[@jhenekim3576]

9:11 OHHH That actually makes a LOT more sense now that i've heard it from a different person.

[@ctcdreamer]

I was super confused about how it worked exactly but you explained everything perfectly! The visual aid of the jars was what really made it stick. Thanks so much! Hoping to see you make one on the Vacuo portals and how that went down...

[@MurderofBirds]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@Deng73]

But thing is... Ambrosius wasn't obligated to do a thing with a soul. By recreating Penny's robotic body in this manner he would only leave her soul extracted. Alone. Unbound by anything but the rules of life and death of the world. So she would drift away to the post-life (and we KNOW that such a thing exists, as do twin-gods, as should he, Ambrosius, do as their creation) and that would be it. There would be no destruction or killing whatsoever - only reassembly and extraction. Anything else is not in his jurisdiction. What we got is a plothole because of laziness, magic and... reasons. Moreover - even if Amby really SHOULD do something with Penny's soul (once again, he really shouldn't, but let's entertain the thought), then her new body would be considered his work too. It's not so much about creation anymore as much about single act of his. Which should be against the rule - can't create more than one thing, right? But - another one - even if his terms of service are giving a pass to this shabang, then it would be considered a part of his process of creation. Thus an act - like an order in a fast-food resturant that consists of two or more things. And both of this things - Penny's old robotic body with a virus and her new human(-ish) one - would disappeear once anything else would come to being by the powers of the staff. We can argue that yeah, how much of it is Penny's self and how much - Ambrosius' work, but creation of this brand new body started by the act of no other but Ambrosius himself. Thus it SHOULD abide by the rules, because otherwise - why should we care about this "rules" anyway? At the very best he should said something along "No can do, ladies, you're kiiiiind a stretchin' the whole set of rules too little too thin". Because it's really bending to the point of breaking.

[@hackerdontcare2032]

Has anyone started to notice that ozpin and Oscars voices seem to be starting the meld? Just noticed with this when he talked about ambrosia. At the beginning they were so distinctive yet this change I heard inflections of oscar is ozpin and vise versa. Thoughts?

[@amransom26]

Yep, even Oscar’s body language is changing. It’s actually very fascinating to watch. The show never really throws it in our face, but it’s there. His voice is not necessarily changing in the way it sounds but in the way he talks, if that makes sense... and the way Oscar stands and walks with the staff. He’s young, he doesn’t need a cane to walk but he moves like he does.

[@nikkiwilson6490]

I'd also like to mention that whenever Oz and Oscar would switch it was a kinda 'May I take over?' kind of vibe... It was like an unspoken rule between each other. (Since Oscar wanted to be his own person, evident with how he was upset when Oz returned) But now it's like the rule they had has been swept under the rug. Poor Oscar (But I'd love to see the possible changes in his eyes since eyes say everything about the soul, especially in RWBY)

[@ruffmenace95gaming]

There was a point when I thought Ozpin was talking but then they switched and then Ozpin really was talking. I was wondering if I was just not paying close enough attention

[@ruffmenace95gaming]

My thoughts on the merging of the "like-minded souls" is that fusing won't be so bad. I'm thinking they're so much alike that the person who is the current host is still very much present, he just so happens to have Ozpin's memories and when he talks about those kinds of things, he says it like he was there in the first person but we'd all know he was talking about Ozpin. Oz said in the flashback that he learned to live with his host. What if that just means the host would retain his personality during his lifetime? This is assuming the souls would be so like-minded that Oscar would've made the same decisions even if they weren't merged.

[@Streunekater]

Thanks Arnold! I got it the same way as you did, but it bugged me that everyone else had exactly the reaction you described. So thanks for making this explaining video!

[@MurderofBirds]

Glad it helped!

[@KnightC0re]

Now I just wonder how long it took for the writers to write and polish this single scene so that it makes sense or can be interpreted in a way that doesn't break out of the confines of the relic's rules and limitations. It's difficult to wrap your mind around it at first but they really covered most if not all the bases when you dissect it.

[@vash3055]

This is what I posted on Adel Aka review video. Anyone else watch his RWBY videos, he has a lot of issues that I do not agree with. "I think it makes some sense, This was also a large gamble on their part. On the basis that a new request causes the old request to disappear, they worded their request so that it only included remake with only the existing robot parts (virus included) knowing that it will disappear with the second request. They requested for him to remake penny using her existing parts, because the virus would be included and that this remake would also not transfer her soul with the maiden powers. Because him can only create and not destroy, he is unable to leave her soul with no body to sustain it. Thus he needs to build her a new body as a byproduct of the request (Which is what the really want). The gamble is that Because team RWBY only requested a remade Penny bot with no soul and that he has a inability to destroy, they would be able to create the desired byproduct and that her new human body it is not bound by the one creation at a time rule. This is them working a small loophole in his rules. I think this Works within the rules of the show and that the loophole is no something that can be used very often and will only work in small isolated situation like Penny."

[@frabjouspotato792]

I really hope he can at least recognize that this makes sense. Because it really feels like he and some other critics don't give the show enough credit for the stuff it does right

[@vash3055]

@@frabjouspotato792 Most of the time I can not make it through his videos because I do not understand his issues with the show. He also has a bit of weird laugh that he gives that sound like he has utter distain for show. Most of the time I wonder why he watches or reviews RWBY.

[@amransom26]

@@vash3055 for the money.

[@neofulcrum5013]

@@amransom26 precisely. He will never be satisfied. This is just for views now.

[@blueflarecharizard7295]

Okay I agree Adel aka tends to nick pick a little too much about the smaller details but saying he only makes his reviews for views is kinda just slandering. And a lot of people make videos for views which isn't a bad reason to do so. Adel aka explains the reason he continues to watch rwby is because he already spend a lot of time on it that he should see it until the end, to see how the show resolves itself. While not the smartest reason to continue watching a show, it's something I can understand. While yes, he hates and insults rwby a lot, he`s also gives solutions to certain issues and compliments the show when it does something he considers good writing, he's not afraid to state his opinion. He just didn't understand the the whole staff of creation scene and you can't say it was easy to understand considering many including I didn't understand the plan. I'm not saying you have to agree with Adel aka but slandering someone isn't right even if they dislike a show you like.

[@Cobaltios]

All those years of being a big fan of "play on word" jokes has finally paid off big! I guess the only thing I wasn't 100% sure about was wether or not Penny was now made organic or not.

[@Yen-jw1ls]

or if she is a vampire that look like a human lol

[@braedenbarr4047]

I was one of the people who thought they asked for human Penny, and was confused when she continued to exist. Thanks for the explanation Edit: this has nothing to with what I previously said, I just want to say how much I love the wink at the end

[@SajuukCor]

Can I just say having two productions use the Ship of Theseus thought experiment in the same production cycle is amazing, and being revealed at almost the same day no less. It's a wonderful thought experiment to think about :D

[@hero9267]

OK Thanks This was bugging me for days. I knew they were trying to loophole it but the whole human Penny confused the hell out of me

[@lunaticbz3594]

Reminds me a bit about the riddle with the twins, one can only lie, one can only tell the truth and you only get one question. Some people really never get it, even after explaining the answer to them. I've known one person who came up with the answer themself in under a minute... that still blows my mind. But the trick to the riddle is there is no question that will actually get you the answer your looking for. But you can get information you can use with the right question.

[@monarchminnie5827]

Ask them how many people are in the room or the color of the sky. Easy

[@lunaticbz3594]

@@monarchminnie5827 My bad on not actually posting the riddle, there's a million different set ups to the riddle as I believe its ancient in origin so I was just vague. The version I remember best is you were driving down a road and you car ran out of gas, as you walk down the road looking for a gas station you come to a fork in the road. There you meet two identical twins who start speaking at the same time "Hello stranger, we will answer only one question. Know that one of us always lies and the other always tells the truth." So you need to know the question to find the right path to the gas station. In other versions its finding the mystic, or getting to heaven. Figuring out which one is which sadly wastes a question, and you only get one.

[@selectivelysocial7117]

@@lunaticbz3594 I know, I know! *raises hand, dancing on my tippy-toes* Ask one of them what the other would say is the road to the gas station, and go down the other path.

[@lunaticbz3594]

@@selectivelysocial7117 Yep, good job :)

[@Krauser8882]

The relic spirits we've seen so far have the monkey's paw/genie stipulation where they need to be extremely specific otherwise they WILL be taken advantage of. Being weird and specific with Penny put everything into Ambrosius' hands, and since he can't destroy her aura which is what would happen were the wish to go on without the loophole, he was forced to create a vessel for her. I like to headcanon that he knew what was up, much like Jinn when Ruby summoned her for a grace period, but admired the way they played everything and how they used his own rules so much that he decided to grant their wish for a proper body for Penny. Eta: fantastic video, Arnold. The visual aid was a lot of fun, and I imagine this will help quite a few people out

[@AntonNight]

This is exactly how I’d interpreted their plan! Anyone complaining about loopholes forget: the spirits seem to really like when people use their relics in unconventional ways. Jinn acted annoyed, but begrudgingly admitted that Ruby summoning her to buy time for her to focus was a clever move. She also seemed to be fine with being summoned for little more than being used to prove that Ozpin was telling the truth to Hazel. In short: they like it when people get creative and think outside of the box. They encourage it.

[@theamazingmaymay123]

I lowkey thought their plan was genius. They used the loophole almost perfectly. I understood the moment they did it, I did have to replay to 100% understood. He said he can’t make a bring someone back BUT HE never said he couldn’t make someone a body.

[@nicodalusong149]

Here's a thing I've been itching to say for ages that appiles to this situation: nobody understands just how much work goes into cheating in video games. The coding, the testing, the compiling, all of it must take hours to get just one or two working codes that don't crash the game. It's hard work and it's impressive that Team RWBY managed to craft their cheat code of a request so well in under an hour. Also, just to pick at Ambrosius' mind/personality more and to also go off of my own comment regarding the lack of handrails, he said the girls were "quite thorough" as if he knew the design for the portals was flawed and which is why he bothered to warn them. Also, Ambrosius seems to pride himself in is craftsmanship and that the complexity of the thing he's being asked to make is what motivates him (he thinks a floating city is pedestrian (how Atlas was designed was kinda bad so I can seen why he'd think it to be pedestrian, he'd probably be able to do better) but a soul-infused/powered android piques his interest).

[@MASTEROFSAND]

Let me say, me being very cynical, that you, murderofbirds , have PERFECTLY explained how this works. I was very confused myself having watched the episode 3x through. I thank you for the clear explanation, and for all the work put into the content. Thank you!!! ❤

[@falchion776]

Thank you for explaining this! I didn't have a lot of problems with this like many people did, but I don't think I truly understood what really happened until you explained it.

[@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613]

I would like to point out that the nexus place thingamajig that the hot staff man makes looks exactly like the world between worlds from Star Wars Rebels

[@epic-ace-studios8519]

Cool idea to explain it. What was in your favor as well is the glow balls are green. Like how interpret ghost in some movies and games. Symbolism for life and death and of course. Pennies Aura Glowing green. I hope people will understand the loop hole after watching this explainer.

[@syazamuzini3299]

I've watch the the scene twice trying to understand the wordplay, but failed. THIS! This helped a lot! Thank you!!

[@marcopohl4875]

so basically, human Penny was a byproduct and they were hoping that byproducts don't count as creations

[@dragonstouch1042]

That was the only card they could play to be fair

[@Dyury-qk8he]

Thanks for this I was really confused

[@MurderofBirds]

Glad I could help

[@TempRF]

I understood it right away and was genuinely shocked that some of the fndm got so confused on it. But this is amazing to link to for people not getting it, amazing job!

[@BigFella117]

The way they made their plan was very meticulous and well thought out. They are lucky Ambrosius is Remnant’s equivalent of Leonardo Da Vinci

[@pokeloon15]

A lot of the wordplay went over my head I'll admit. But what I got out of all of that was "Separate the robot parts of Penny from the Human parts". Which made sense to me.

[@KikiCatMeow]

Really glad you made this, hopefully people can see this and understand the episode. A lot of people will say this is cheap, but it makes sense given the rules Ambrosius had. The characters had a loophole and they used it, it's all in the word-play, and like Arnold said, it was a once-in-a-lifetime situation. And, not to spoil anything for chapter 13, but some of the wording they used in their creations came to bite them, so it's not like everything goes perfectly I feel a lot of confusion would have been avoided if the rules for the staff were explained earlier this volume and not right before it was used, but oh well The tl;dr of the situation, the human penny with the soul wasn't asked for, it was just something Ambrosius had to make because he couldn't destroy. Thus, it didn't disappear next time the staff was used. Team RWBY didn't even know if it would work, they just gave it a shot

[@ameliapotter7980]

One thing also is that Ambrosius said "do not fall". And Yang basically said that the central location would be like inside the vaults. So does that mean the in the vaults there's an edge you can fall off of? The vaults doors lead to another dimension. The relics are another dimension. Either Ozpin created these other dimensions or he found four pocket dimensions and built schools on top of them or the Gods built them to place the relics in. Either way, if the central location is like "a place like here a.k.a the vaults" and you can fall and people will fall, (those platforms look awfully small for so much people and not everyone would immediately turn back to go through the portal so people will fall.....just the background characters, so it's fine). It may not be in the central location that a main character will fall but in a vault itself that they may fall off the edge.

[@gregorycookjr.7392]

Ah! Now everything makes sense now. This explanation definitely helped clear my confusion on this.

[@Smeedea]

so to dumb this down, Ambrosius ended up creating a new robot Penny with the virus, while leaving the original (aura) Penny and of course he took his own liberty to give that aura a human vessel. So once Ambrosius created the portals or whatever, the robot he created with the virus disappeared. (it still doesnt make sense to me how human Penny didnt disappear as he still created her, call it a by product or whatever, she was still created by Ambrosius, so how come only the robot with the virus disappeared after Ambrosius created the portals) mind you Ambrosius could have just left that aura floating around im sure, but it was clear in the show he wanted to exploit the loopholes for team RWBY just because he felt like it. After all the audience is already aware the spirits in the relics have their own somewhat free wills even if they strictly follow through with their own rules, sometimes.

[@cameroncooper5941]

I kind of understood already, but this makes it much clearer. I wish they'd given more time to the actual planning process in the episode.

[@handheldfanboy]

I really like that the genies (is that the right word?) in RWBY are benevolent. I always found the whole gennies are deceptive and will trick you tropw so annoying. But Jinn let Ruby use the lamp to save some time (and might gave her a memory of her mother) and Ambrose wasn't annoyed by team rwby using a loophole but infact seem to enjoy it.

[@pineapplepizza6661]

I've never clicked a video so fast in my life

[@NecroWolfExPaladin]

Your explanation does fix quite a bit of my issues with that moment.

[@reusablebelt1718]

Beautiful explanation 👌

[@MurderofBirds]

Thank you 🙂

[@tazahawk]

Thanks Arnold for clearing that up. I have complete faith in the writers of RWBY and after this scene I was confused, but knew it was me not understanding the situation, not poor writing. After watching this I now completely understand. So thanks again.

[@MurderofBirds]

No problem!

[@RawwkinGrimmie64]

Thank you so much for this. I rewatched the episode the other day to make sure i heard Ruby correctly, and your explanation of a byproduct to contain Penny's aura was extremely helpful.

[@MurderofBirds]

You're very welcome!

[@eliorcutt4833]

Thank you so much for this video! I always wondered if their actual creation was the robot parts and not the penny we have now. This makes so much more sense.

[@danklinkyt598]

Damn Arnold, your really good at explaining things

[@prince_youtube12345]

Thanks for the explanation, Arnold. The way you explained it made me want to brush up on logic. Even I thought that what team RWBY wanted was the new human version of penny. Separating the soul from the body, is what they wanted, while the byproduct of the creation being a new vessel for the soul. I love it. xD

[@MurderofBirds]

My pleasure!

[@lexena2394]

I'm glad you explained this because I was extremely confused c:

[@Isikar66]

It makes perfect sense, I'm honestly surprised team RWBY was able to think this far in. Things are definitely looking up, just have to be on the look out for the villians.

[@goldsberrie9448]

YOOOOOOOO THANKS DUDE! I was 100% confused about all the extra bits of wordplay and whatnot

[@VGViolet]

Bless Arnold’s jars 😂😂 the episode makes SO MUCH SENSE NOW

[@baconboi4482]

Oh yeah, and since they didn’t ask Amrbosius to create the human Penny. That means if something gets created again she won’t get destroyed as he only destroys what one asks for

[@acgearsandarms1343]

He can’t destroy. That’s one thing he can’t do. The robot body just went away due to the girls using the staff immediately after. Just need to make that detail clear. Ambrosius didn’t technically destroy anything.

[@AnzuInfinity]

@@acgearsandarms1343 If the robot body was made with the existing robot parts (which it had to have been as thats what they said and also illustrated with the jars in the vid) and it vanishes after creating something else didn't he technically destroy something though? Like if they asked for a copy of a building with the existing parts its made out of and then ask for something else the original building and the parts it was made out of are still gone, shouldn't that count as destroying someone else's creation or does "destroy" only apply to things that are alive like penny's soul?

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@AnzuInfinity He remade the mechanical body of Penny. But due to the rules of how the staff works, his work was undone. It’s not actively destroying. It’s just the nuance of how things worked. That’s how it always works in this kind of situation. He doesn’t destroy the previous creation. Technically the user does if they make something new the next time the Staff is used. So not him per se, but the user. So he’s absolved of destroying anything. But keep in mind it’s a loose technicality.

[@skyworld3393]

I just realized, Ambrosias could have been a jerk (to put it lightly) if he decided to put Penny’s soul in literally anything for it to “survive”. But he went along with her having a human body and he could have exploited that loophole, as a “genie” would, back at team RWBY, but he didn’t. Mad respect

[@rizthewiz722]

Nice work Arnold, but now explain what happens to yang 😂

[@MurderofBirds]

The Girl Who Fell Through The World Fairytale

[@rizthewiz722]

@@MurderofBirds yeah pretty self explanatory

[@msk-qp6fn]

@@MurderofBirds remnant's version of alice in wonderland + matchgirl as i like to say

[@andrewkippenhan5494]

In regards to Salem, I doubt that they could describe a creation capable of destroying her. HOWEVER, using Oz's magic as a reference (in regards to it's mechanics) I think they could describe to him a perfect prison designed to TRAP Salem until they can figure out how to completely wreck her plans.

[@GreyVictory1510]

A big question is how Salem regenerates. If her parts reform by moving back together, you could split and seal her. But if she just gets created out of nothing, then you would need to throw her properbly in a different dimension and throw away the key. And even then it woulf be questionable what she can do with infinite time there.

[@andrewkippenhan5494]

@@GreyVictory1510 My thought is (once they understand exactly how Oz's magic works, the mechanics and limitations) they can create a prison capable of nullifying her powers. Without her magic, and trapped in a 10 foot thick box of steel with no openings, what will she be able to do other than continue to suffocate to death forever?

[@zackrose6261]

@@GreyVictory1510 I don't think Salem can be trapped in a different dimesion, considering thee genies are pretty literal, the gods did state that she had to walk the face of remnant.

[@GreyVictory1510]

@@zackrose6261 Thats actually a valid point I didn't think about.

[@useraccount333]

So, what you're saying is that RWBY basically rolled the dice and hoped Ambrosius would create a suitable vessel for Penny's soul/Aura, right?

[@NRG-REC]

Yeah. They took a risk on that working because they didn't really have anything to lose because penny would've died either way.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

It was a calculated risk, not a random risk so I think that’s worth pointing out.

[@useraccount333]

@@acgearsandarms1343 Yeah. And like @Jay Nen said above, RWBY literally had no other choice. A one-in-a-million shot is ALWAYS better than zero.

[@Matthewrents]

@@useraccount333 I wouldn't even call it as bad as one in a million. But I think it comes down to how you see Ambrosious and evaluate what he WANTS. RWBY came in and made him feel good, outlined lightly that they wanted their friend, were prepared.. so when they basically say he can do whatever he wants, do you see him as a trickster, or wanting to make good work? If he's a trickster or a "bad guy", Penny's soul goes into a literal jar. It isn't destroyed, just not usable until you do something with it. Him being a "good guy" wanting to do something cool with it, he decides to help them and make a human looking body, on his own terms, to put her soul into so they can still have their friend.

[@useraccount333]

@@Matthewrents He definitely seems like a trickster, but a good guy, not an asshole. Ambrosius is actually mildly disappointed he can't do his "be careful what you wish for" shtick because RWBY "did their homework", but is also highly impressed that they came prepared.

[@TheCampfyre]

This was well articulated! I was definitely confused at first, but it started to make a bit more sense with every rewatch. But this video really helped me truly understand what happened. Nice work!

[@MurderofBirds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dag1984]

I think you explained it all very well. Not much else I can say honestly.

[@aruaoki1832]

I was really lost with this part honestly but now it makes perfect sense and i feel silly for not getting it before.... but thanks for this vid! It really helped!

[@ShayBelladonna]

This is why we subscribe to you! Dedication, hard work, and thoroughly explained! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@TheSweetRelease]

Oh my goodness I'm so glad you explained, it makes sense now

[@schizomaru]

well, what means destroy? disassemble to reassemble still destroy to recreate. destruction process is basically transformation. Unless he create new matter from nothing to build Panny, but in this case would a copy, the the orignal one still exists. Always, to create something you need to destroy something. (Equivalente Exchange)

[@priceprice_baby]

He should create the world's biggest slingshot to catapult Salem to the moon

[@denisehunte3312]

You explained it very well Arnold..

[@Ramseas119]

to the people saying "this was too easy" Do Not Fall...

[@Zefurion1988]

OK so. What exactly is stopping them from using this exact Technique on Salem? Create a new Organic Body for her, with all the grim esceance in it, with her ability to use magic too (maybe if possible). Have Ambrosius create a new body for Salems soul. Then destroy the corrupted body. Now Salem is sitting there, maybe still Immortal and able to use magic, but unable to control Grimm. Would vastly improve their chances.

[@realJoeMavro]

He'd still need some sort of reference though, right? They'd probably need a way of incapacitating Salem so he can examine her or give him a really good photo of her.

[@jackofalltrades1594]

Ohhhhh, that makes sense! I was really confused by this when I first watched it. Thanks for explaining this

[@MurderofBirds]

Happy to help!

[@D.Ronoa69]

Oh shit. I just shrug this part off. I thought he created the new penny! Thanks for this Arnold!

[@msk-qp6fn]

So nice of you to make this video. Very well explained I have to say 👍 Honestly I was so confused with Ruby's wording ar first and I felt really dumb for it but the people on KZbin were very nice to explain things to me in the comment section. You could always go seeking for help in any Rwby video but it's great that there is a crash course video on the wording so anyone can just watch 👍👍👍

[@edwadloozley5309]

I was actually confused by this as well, thanks for clarifying.

[@MultiSixsamurai]

That scene, where the old penny scanned her was rather weird. It didn’t show anything underneath in the new vessel, just a free flowing aura. I’d be satisfied and also puzzled that even if it wasn’t intentional, Ambrosious created a new life. But I’m also thinking that maybe this new Penny isn’t exactly human either. Just a vessel of power that can never truly cease

[@KitsyX]

It might depend what it was scanning for... But yeah, I don't think we can know for sure yet... Unless they said in the new episode I can't watch yet.

[@kevinfrazier2586]

@@KitsyX they don't talk about what she is at all, I can tell you that much at least

[@kevinfrazier2586]

@Declan McKenna that's what I've been thinking about this past week, even commented about it on another video, especially after the recent episode. She's still not human to me until I see her bleed personally. What were to happen if her aura breaks? Would her "body" remain as it is seen, or would it lose shape until her aura regenerates? What did Ambrosius create her "body" out of? I thought Arnold might touch on that a bit in this video but he mainly focused on the creation process, rather than the product 😅

[@JoseGomez-vn5pl]

Kronk: Oh yeah, it's all coming together

[@advanced0018]

Pretty great explanation about how that wish worked for Ambrosious. The jars certainly helped.

[@MurderofBirds]

Yes it does!

[@NerdOfAus]

I was a little puzzled but this video explains it perfectly and now I completely understand how it worked. Amazing video, thanks Arnold :)