TEAM TALK: WHO'S TO BLAME? (WHY ARE BOATS 100K?)

[@bigmercury1]

I had an iKon on order, full options with 5 screens, FFS and 360, with the PP Move troller, plus a stereo and cover...$131k. I was so excited. I went to the classic and saw them in person, I met Jacob Wheeler (super nice guy!), bought an iKon jersey, and then sat in the boat with one of the other pros for a while and asked questions. My wife says to me, "I'm not impressed. What are we paying for?" I had no words. So I canceled the order and I bought a 2 year old Caymus (same equipment but Garmin) and saved $55k. Glad I married that woman. I'm still wearing that jersey though...

[@deanstarfish]

You better keep her....

[@maxlarose4539]

Wise man

[@paulltoscano]

Buy an older boat and keep it up to date with accessories, it will force manufacturers to drop the prices. Running a 2000 Ranger R91, with upgrades it can hang with the new ones for 1/5 the price

[@benmittman]

You should do a series of “was it worth it” where we sent in what we paid for our boat and what we got if it was worth it!

[@alexkoutdoor]

Even better review people 1 year after their 100,000 purchase and ask them if it is still worth it 1 year into their payments.😂

[@TysonEdwardsFishing]

I feel like I got a steal on my boat for the value after comparing the new one

[@ruboinc]

Yes!

[@lightning9279]

About 15 years ago I heard a wealthy fast food owner say to his buddy (during a small economic downturn) that he would be damned if he was going lower his 35% profit margin. So he raised prices. He was unwilling to take a short term hit for his customers, employees, vendors. We are seeing greed at play here. As another commenter stated, stop purchasing and the prices will adjust. The problem is easy loans and illogical debt forgiveness is a death throw to adjustments done by supply and demand.

[@jwar2163]

That is why I still have my Skeeter WX1900 fully rigged. Still works because I was going to purchase a Ranger FS 621 and when it came back quoted at 119k I said no, but hells no. Looked at the Skeeter WX series as a replacement also could not find anything below 100k new to replace my boat. My insurance company increased my policy to cover replacement at 150k for a boat I paid with all rigging for kicker, jack plate for kicker, electronics at console and bow, electronic bottom tracking down riggers at 2 each for a price of 43k

[@thorpypoo]

35% profit margin? From what I understand that is unheard of. Are you sure he didn't say "3 to 5 percent"? 3 to 5 percent would be considered a decent profit margin in most businesses.

[@lightning9279]

@@thorpypoo James, yes from what I recall he did say 35%. I heard this once before as well. I was in a chat(above my intellectual pay grade) that was discussing investing in pure gold jewelry. I made a comment that the price tag was unnecessarily high. The spot price of gold at that time compared to the cost of the jewelry was way out of line which made it an irrisponsicple financial decision. Two guys jumped in the conversation and stated that I didn't know what I was talking about and If they were the manufacturer of that jewelry they would charge a price that reflected a minimum of a 35% profit rate. It's been about 6 years since that conversation and I can't remember the businesses they were both in. I wonder if they are as cocky in this current economy.

[@natrix19]

I think it's both, but I'd put it more on the accessories. Trolling motor prices are nuts, graph prices are nuts...you can buy a 12" tablet that has more processing power and a better display for $600, but they wanna charge us $3k-4k for a unit.... Would love to see the margins on some of this stuff

[@Harikarikillboy-fs5vl]

That dude from ikon got a little ticked off when everyone was saying 150k was too much to spend on a bass boat. Accused you of just trying to get viewers because you “are just another KZbinr”. Truth really seemed to Piss him off. Keep being honest Andy, that’s why I subscribed. You could have easily shilled for him and promoted him, but you did the right thing, you looked out for us. I wouldn’t buy an ikon simply because of the way he reacted, ya just can’t blame someone else because of the price of your boat. There wasn’t any part of those reviews where you attacked them in any way. Fuck em.

[@bwspacity]

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[@Harikarikillboy]

Oh yeah, forgot to add that base price, BASE PRICE is $107k with nothing but a motor. No power pole, no hummingbird, no nothing. Zero. A boat and motor.

[@par1013]

Where did you find that out? KZbin? Fb? Ig?

[@Harikarikillboy-fs5vl]

@@par1013 just Google ikon boats. It’s right there where you “build your own”. Says right there “starting at $106k”.

[@RP-xk8ji]

150k buys a nice center console for the family

[@KeithJackson81]

I fished out of a 1986 Skeeter for years. Finally decided to buy a new boat, and I went with aluminum. I couldn’t justify the prices for the new fiberglass boats.

[@nickkoschmeder3288]

Great video, there's so much to blame for this, politics, laziness (people who don't want to work for their fish) greed from all manufacturers. This could go on and on. There are so many fisherman that are outclassed by their boat that think they are hotshots and really are just trash fisherman. I've co-angled with them! I blame the people who are handing out entitlement too

[@rustyreidfishing3334]

When I fished BASS back in 80’s we were limited to 150HP, just ran two flashers with maybe a paper graph. No such thing as spot lock or power poles and had just as much fun.

[@joepotaczek]

That's the thing you don't have to buy any of that yet still can find a boat from the 80's and just run it

[@cheetoz6902]

More fun because we actually enjoyed the scenery and serenity from actually fishing and not video gaming

[@tommccoy6708]

What was a loaded Ranger then? I remember 50k boats. You had a paper graph that was like have a 360 now or a Garman. You were cutting edge.

[@bobsmith1841]

You probably caught more fish too!! 😂

[@edwardcowan7012]

I bought a 1988 374V Ranger new with every possible option, 18K.

[@NickT-Jaden]

I bought my boat, brand new, no loan, added a jack plate, a 112 ultrex, and lithium batteries. One 9” unit at the console. 150 merc 198P I’ll add that BS later when I can afford it I’ve added little stuff like DD26 motor tote, TH marine troll tamer, and pull cable. And vessel view, which makes me mad, why mercury doesn’t just install a 200 dollar deal to the motor and add it to the overall cost is beyond me. Yeah, by the time I’m done in 10 years time I will have poles, 360, livescope, a few more units Nobody wants to do what I’m doing tho, a lot of people just want it all on there cuz they can’t do it themselves the right way, and it’s almost impossible to get into a dealer to get stuff done. They are either winterizing boats, or getting boats “ready” for spring, by wintering them after winter, or rigging new ones for the customers that just bought them. Like you said, the boat, motor, trolling motor, batteries, trailer are what’s important, I can fish with that. The rest I can figure out later. I’d rather be debt free and own what I have than mortgage my house to buy a fully loaded boat all in one swipe. But that’s todays world, everyone wants a big house, new cars, big screens, latest phones, riding lawn mowers, all at once and just go into massive debt to do it. I’m 35 years years old and have a house payment and utilities, own our 3 vehicles, and boat out right, no credit card debt. And by no means am I rich. I’m a blue collar worker making a living with a wife, 2 kids, a dog, and a cat. I saved every dime I could without making my family go without, for the last ten years to be able to buy that boat outright. But if customers are willing to pay for a boat 3-4x over that 120k price, you better believe dealers and boat makers are willing to provide it to them. For something as frivolous as a boat, to catch a fish, my thought is if you can’t pay cash for what you have, you can’t afford it. But 99.9% of people will disagree with that sentiment.

[@bwjc6561]

Ultimately it’s probably the customers fault for 100k boats… if they didn’t sell they would rethink their pricing strategy

[@fishingnsckenny3041]

I agree as lo

[@fishingnsckenny3041]

I agre e😊

[@awbassfishing3955]

Customer,PowerPole, MinnKota,Motorguide, hummingbird, Garmin, Lowrance, Ranger, triton, nitro, skeeter, Mercury, marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, you can keep going on, and on the US government china Covid today’s world is all about profit remember that saying, money is the root of all evil. I was a kid during the 70s and it’s a totally different world

[@joepotaczek]

I dont believe this cause the price would go up more yet and just the upper class would be buying

[@kevinwitt7318]

Agreed, would truly like to know actual manufacturer cost. Everything from boat to engines to electronics and trolling motor. Every business needs to make money but how much per item sold. Things are priced for what you can sell them for, if a large percentage of customers say its too much, they either have to figure a away to make it cheaper or make less per unit.

[@sdvten]

If it wasn't for easy financing and fairly low interest rates the amount of people that own the boats they do would not own them. These companies would have a LOT harder time selling the boats they do. Most of the boats being bought are being bought by people whom can't really afford them.

[@fisherman7275]

100k is worth as much as a house in some areas. Way too much.

[@jasonw500]

I feel pretty good about my 2022 purchase now. Caymas cx19 tandem trailer, 225 proxs, 2 helix 9 g4, 112 ultrex. I already had a livescope set up so just moved it over. Paid 65k out the door. Subtracted down to just the boat, no tralier no motor no electronics or tm. Paid 25-26k for just boat. Actually made me feel better. I looked at the cx20 but 10k more for 25hp and 12 inches. Couldnt see it. Get 67-70 mph out of the 19 and it is easier to get in around docks flipping. Love it so far!!! Great video!!!

[@tracywest1922]

Good one! Now lets rebuild the 203 ChampioN or a used Gambler. And lets rig it with the basic stuff. Like two screens with Live scope. Two lithium batteries. One for the trolling motor and one for electronics. One 250 engine with Jack plate. Two power poles and a trolling motor. I think u can do it for half the price of new and still have a great boat able to fish any tournament.

[@FoodPlotSolutions]

Thanks for listening to us and making this video. We appreciate you guys

[@shekharmoona544]

He makes a lot of good points. Some boats are priced out of reach of consumers. Its going to put a lot of people out of work and out of business.

[@TeamMarineService]

Comment below on Who's to Blame for the $100K price tags we are seeing. Also, Send this video over to Dave Mercer if you wanna see Team Marine Service on his podcast!

[@pixlenvyofficial]

Margins for dealers and manufactures are the lowest they have been in years.

[@jimk4267]

why would you want to be on Mercer?????

[@Awright121_]

Bass fishing is starting to make golf look like a budget friendly hobby...

[@stopcrying518]

That was the case 20 years ago. On what other sport can you spend $250,000 and not have even remotely everything you "need"

[@MikeQ986S]

Lol golf is a joke compared to bass fishing.

[@Bpressly033]

A point to make too is that the Boat Trailers them selves have gone up 3-5 times in the last 15-20 years. My 05 Triton TR21X Trailer was around 3,500$ new. A friend of mine was unfortunately in highway traffic accident with his 21' Phoenix boat and Trailer. His Trailer is now totaled and he's getting prices of 12,000-13,000$ to replace it with a new one.

[@calebpayne7205]

The consumer is to blame if we as a whole refused to buy a new boat at these prices, then the prices would cone down. As long as there is a demand and banks are loaning the money on 20 year terms they can continue to raise the prices.

[@bassfishingchadhill]

Great discussion! I think it's the boat companies, accessory companies, tournament organizations, and anglers.

[@eagleclaw6]

My very first electronic was a 100.00 eagle from walmart!! I mounted it at the console on top of an old gas cap so I could turn it around and see it from the front deck. I thought I was steppin high and living large, how times have changed!! Lol

[@pelster818]

As crazy as it sounds I always thought there should be more of an incentive for different classes in tournaments. For instance a tournament where live scope type systems are not allowed. Limited outboard motor size etc maybe limited to 1 graph at bow and one at console. Right now all competitive fishing is "run what you" brung type stuff. And the budget minded angler cannot compete . Maybe we should push for some classes/tournaments to maybe get more people into the sport to where they can be competitive without taking out a second mortgage.

[@tommccoy6708]

I was talking to my buddy the other day who is like 68. He hates these new electronics. He hates them because he can't use them. They need an old timers circuit. Flashers and paper graphs only. It would be a hit.

[@danlaur7973]

We are at ( not close) the point where most people are being priced out of the new Bass boat market

[@indoornepenthes7809]

As a young looking to buy a brand new boat. I've quickly turned to the used market. Prices really aren't much better there either.

[@ericsieck1605]

My question is why does a 9" unit cost $999 and a 15" unit costs $3K? I have a hard time believing the screen costs are that much more. Also most of those larger units in the same style say like Helix don't upgrade the hardware do they? And even if they do are they putting 2k of chips into the units?

[@craiggrubbs157]

Everything has a part in the blame. Electronics including trolling motors have gone out of sight. Lowrance marked down the hds live 12 from $3500 to $1850 to reduce inventory for the pro release. You know damn well they weren’t loosing money at $1850 either.

[@jamesanderson3356]

It's a combination of both the boat manufacturers and the manufacturers of the accessories. They all price it higher because people are willing to pay to have the best of everything. In all honesty, I love fishing and do perfectly with my old 89 astroglass I picked up fairly cheap in great condition. It's just about getting out and having fun and many people lost sight of that by being so willing to over pay just to have the newest and best stuff that's out there

[@morrisoncharliejr]

Thank you for this. I've been telling people this for years, even when I sold boats for a living, I used this very example. It's not the base boat, motor, trailer combination, it's all the extras we have to have on them.

[@yhsbu]

I am an aviation guy, but now I am getting into boats because the used market is way more affordable than the used plane market. It may take me another ten years to save up for a plane to have good times with my kids when they are practically out of the house. So I bought a used Jon boat and took it out on the lake with them. They had a blast, and everyone, including myself, had smiles on our faces. I did it for $1200.

[@jimlove4541]

Andy I love this video because it shows how out of touch this industry has become. I am retired from Mercedes Benz and wanted to share a story. A zone rep and I were talking about the same thing rising cost He was driving one of the SUV Benz offered putting real world miles on it. The tires were worn out so He contacted his boss and was going to order a set of tires and have them mounted by us at the Dealer. His boss said no, He would have the tires sent to the dealer. To all of our surprise a full set of new tires wheels with center caps and lug bolts arrived balanced and ready to install!! Later the rep told me he was told the complete tire and wheel assemblies were less expensive than paying a Tech to mount and balance a set of new tires and install them. !!!! The most expensive part of any car or truck is the interior !!!! Not the electronics or the Drive train hardware. A complete frame for the older ML series SUV cost them around 1200 dollars complete!!!. (This was prior to them becoming uni-body) So since the tin boats don't have a mold for the hull or the interior insert I don't get it. The Glass boats should be going down in price because it's quick construction and repeatable. I think the industry is and has priced it's self out of the ball park. Look at how the custom boat industry has died in southern California.. And I just checked the price of a Aluminum / Wake Boat from Montara and it looks to be priced for those who also have a 900k + aircraft sitting in their hanger that will get used just about as much.. It's sad to see the Boating industry going the way of General Aviation. Thanks Andy

[@vwmountainman9701]

I work at a Bass Boat company. Not sure how to start this off. Everything has gone up in price. Yes resin & glass have gone up multiple times. The gel coat has gone up. The freight costs have gone up also on everything. I know afew companies have invested in CNC machining over the last several years. So every boat cut-out is identical. The company I work for - every single boat is hand built. The same people do & build the same things each day. They are good at what they do. Each boat is built per order - yes - each boat we are building is someone's order. The company I work for - there are NO cookie cutter boats made !!! Not real sure who is to blame - the price of EVERYTHING !!!

[@timroyall6513]

I used a 15 foot Tracker with 15 tiller until ten years ago. Caught a lot of fish, probably because I knew I couldn't run all over the lake. I now own a 17.5 tin boat with 60 Yammy. Even that was bought used. I put a better trolling motor on it and upgraded the finders. I have a 5 on the console and a 4 at the bow. They show all I need, which is depth and temp. Most high schoolers would probably laugh, but it suits my needs. And I don't have 50 K in it. I hope it lasts as long as I do because no way could I afford any new one.

[@johnnysaechao6218]

Hey yeah be nice if Mercer gets u on the pod cast! Tell it like it is Andy don’t change, let the truth and your opinions out loud and proud. 👍😎😎

[@tommccoy6708]

The never ending printing of money is the real problem. I can remember when a 50k Ranger was seen as insane. It had a 150HP and a flasher. If you build a boat now with the same options it really would not cost anymore in today's dollars. You get a lot more in a boat these days.

[@168smk5]

I believe everyone has some blame in this. I don’t tournament fish and run a fish and ski due to family. Would love to upgrade to a newer one but even fish and ski boats have blew up. Cost more than my truck. Crazy world. Thanks for the vid.

[@great0789]

Well... now you guys just made me feel like I got a great deal... On my 18' 1436 Jon that I got used for $500 Plus, new quality aluminum trailer (oversized) for $1,600 A used 9.8hp tiller that I got and had fully serviced and w/entire new fuel system (carb too) for $1,300 total And a saltwater 55lb thrust tiller Minnkota and 100Ah lithium for $800 more. Now, I am adding float pods, gator glide/and paint, side scan fish finder, and some aluminum casting deck/flooring. Should have my mobile fishing platform for less than $5,500. Tops out at 21mph with me and the son and all the gear. Probably around 25mph with just me and a different prop.

[@ShaneJMcNair]

I can't wait to watch this podcast with Dave Mercer

[@ernestcoleman4672]

Mercer will not agree with this video I guarantee you. He can't say anything bad on this issue. He will no longer be a spokesman for tournament fishing. They will fire him.

[@ShaneJMcNair]

@@ernestcoleman4672 Probably correct... #SadStateWeAreIn #cannotbehonest

[@ernestcoleman4672]

You are talking some good stuff. Love it. Need to set a reminder to myself to watch it.

[@papadew1964]

I think it's about the look.If you have 5 units,power poles and all the other goodies you look like an expert fisherman.Know some guys that have all the goodies and have no idea how to use it.Yes consumers are to blame if we didn't pay for it they would make cheaper products. Andy keep up good work,only REAL bass boating info on KZbin.

[@garretyohn9753]

Hey man I’ve been a big fan of the channel and this Channel has actually helped me get my next boat. I pick it up next week I’ll throw it down in the comments with specs and final price with taxes and fees so people can see what a FL rig would cost for what I would say in an avid angler, not a tournament fisher but a dad that likes to fish and wants a great boat his kids to grown up in

[@davidgosper3842]

Andy, you missed the hidden cost. Transportation to dealer about 2000.00 Sales tax at 6% that's average some states are 9, 7500.00 dealer prep 100 per hour. Add about, 10,000. to 105,000 your back to 115,000, so your discount is gone.

[@robintaylor-mockingeemill8223]

Great run down , when I was in the game 2k for electronics was the norm , no power poles and we put on the lightest 24v trolling motor we could find (evinrude ) . A hot foot and power trim buttons on the steering wheel was the bomb . We went right fast though

[@JeromeCooley-us8zl]

Here's one for you to think about. With same electronics, motor, trolling motor, etc. Why is one brand 15k higher than another or vise versa. Materials in building a boat is the weight of that boat. So I did some research! The Basscat Lynx is 20'8" and weighs in at 2150#. The Phoenix 921 is 21'6" and weighs in @ 1950#. The Ranger 521R is 21'9" and is 2300#. The Nitro Z21 is 21'2" and weighs 2150#. Now with this being said they all weigh about the same yet the Nitro is approx 30k less than Basscat, what makes Basscat better than Nitro when they both weigh the same. THINK ABOUT IT

[@TrentsGarage]

Exactly, it has nothing to do with the cost of materials it's greed.

[@arjenheitlager7542]

Im going with a 2025 Vexus AVX 1980 rigged with a Zuke SS... Was looking at a new Nitro Z19 but by the time I got a little over half way with the accessories' it was already over the price that the Vexus was with all the stuff I wanted. Tin is really the way to go now. Vexus, Crestliner, Lowe, and Lund have some really nice big deck, pad hull tins, and cost less.

[@michaelchingman7376]

It’s insane. When I first started watching u we we’re talking 60k to 70k fully load a used rig with everything for 20 to 30k. But it’s our fault as a consumer because we are all tournament fishermen now with 100k rig for 4 hours 2 to 3 times a month

[@c.shoefish]

This crap has also raised used prices. It sucks. I've been starting to look for a new to me boat and for me personally, to get into anything I'd be comfortable spending, I'm looking at 15+ years old...it sucks. Thankfully I do have a boat, but I'm at the point I need to upgrade...but I'm not going 50k plus in debt to do it. Great video bro.

[@marcusvidrine7688]

Love these videos - makes you wonder of all the hull, outboards & accessory items you went through...who has the biggest markups & margins you think?

[@davidkeppler8851]

So glad I bought when I did in 2021. Paid 81k out the door for a Phoenix 920 Elite with atlas, two blades, ultrex, 2 helix 12’s, and a whole bunch of upgrades.

[@59BigWalt]

WOW 😮 Bottom line it’s on the consumer. Because most of us feel that if that’s the cost to play, we’ll pay. Just get the best deal we can & add on when we can. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@PasmaOutdoors]

The cost of everything going up doesn’t help. That many accessories makes things crazy cost wise. Sure they help find bass faster but it doesn’t mean they will catch fish for you. The demand on accessories prolly has driven the price up. We went from maybe 1 graph not long ago to 5-6 per boat now… that’s a big change

[@chrisbrewsaugh5202]

Great show, nice to see someone in the industry trying to make us aware. In my opinion it's our fault as consumers. The industry keeps pumping out latest and greatest and we as fishermen keep buying it and putting it on our boats. We were catching fish way before forward facing sonar hit the market and now it seems like we can't fish without it. As long as we keep paying they are going to keep jacking up the price.

[@nealatthecrossfishing]

That’s exactly why I’ll never have anything new. It’s just not doable for me, but that’s ok. I’ll be just as happy to fish with my paid for, no payments every month, used stuff.

[@marcuscarmouche9023]

Where did you find a glass boat just boat motor and trailer in 20 to 21 ft range for 60k. I’ve been looking and can’t find anything close

[@garyward7923]

Customers. Ultimately we create the demand. The Instagram age has accelerated the “keeping up with the Joneses” mentality and spread it to people you don’t even know in person. I truthfully crappie fish 90% of the time and accidentally catch 3-4 bass every time I go out. The perception of needing 20k in electronics on a boat has created this weird space where people are financing boats for 20-30yrs.

[@theINQBS]

The amount of people, including professional tournament fisherman still can't catch Sh¡t with their fancy electronics because they don't know how to read water and structure, and don't know how to properly work lures and in which situations to throw each lure type.

[@ScruffyCityFishing]

Off topic, but our bird whistles back when you whistle haha.

[@TeamMarineService]

🤣🤣🤣 Awesome!!!

[@marknewton1747]

In the 80’s and early 90’s, BASS limited HP to 150. By default, that limited boat size to 17-18’. A 24v trolling motor was plenty. The gas on the price fire is size of boat and HP. A bigger boat needs bigger trolling motor and more batteries. Electronics will always be the fisherman’s toys. Size of the boat drive the price up dramatically.

[@tommccoy6708]

spot on. I remember the 1989 Ranger Classic boat it looks like a toy now I bought one to take the motor off of it. It is built solid but the fishability of it sucks compared to my Bass Cat Pantera II

[@bobbybaker5304]

What is the technology that is different in my 600 dollar 75 inch 4k tv than a 15 inch any brand graph? They both receive a signal from a source and display it. I understand weather and the sheer durability of a graph but good god, there can’t be that big of a difference to really justify the price difference and size.

[@matthewheld8577]

You need to call and have a conversation with John Webb at Marine Works of KY. John put together a “working Man’s Package” for each of Phoenix most popular boats. Very affordable and reasonably decked out. I took his 819 pro XP working man package upgraded some areas; just over 70K out the door for my custom ordered boat. John is the man and understands how to put fishermen in a new boat and try to keep it somewhat affordable.

[@darrylsmith6727]

Here's something that I never have understood why go out and pick a certain color for your boat to be painted but then turn right around and wrap the boat if I was going to wrap the boat it really don't matter what color the boat is

[@greggnunnelee7650]

Well if you take out the 5+ graphs, expensive trolling motor, power poles, multiple sensors, & all the other electronics that dramatically drops the price. Put a limit on electronics that would help, go back to old days.

[@nathanbutcher1864]

It’s nice working at westmarine where garmin is 35% off and lowrance is 50% off problem im in college too and they still don’t pay enough to come close to getting my boat tourney ready

[@RangerrayXRP]

Love you vids. They’re pricing the biggest purchasing base out of the market. The middle class. You can still by a nice house for 130k in Texas. Of you sell to only rich people, you will have to build limited amounts of boats like Ferrari does. Ford sells more cars and trucks in a day that Ferrari makes in a year. It’s called the walmart plan. If you sell 10x more for less, you will make more profit than the one you sell for premium price. Now if the boat you build is premium and you only sell to the rich you wont make as much. Rich people are to blame also. As I mentioned Ford, the Ford F250/350 are priced out of their market for the working man that needs that tool! Rich guys buy them just to ride around in a big truck to look cool. Never put it in 4 wheel drive! Crazy.

[@crappieworldlivescanner1114]

they were 29-35 back in 05 for a 21 foot with 225…no fancy electronics.Just think than in 3 years you could pick it up for 17,000 ……

[@jeffreysmith350]

I blame 2 things. The customers for buying them when prices skyrocketed and the banks for financing the high dollar rigs for 15 years making people think they can afford them.

[@xpwhitesquall]

Great conversation !!!! Just like tool boxes In the repair industry. I blame the “Gear Guy”-consumer, that is willing to pay the price. I have number of time out fished the the gear guys that had more gear and expensive boat.

[@codyhooser3333]

Great video Guys for people that are not aware how much add on's cost these day's..

[@cooper2220]

Every add on he said could be sourced for less regardless a hull and trailer for 60k is ridiculous hell I could buy a 40 y/o hull and send to a fibershop and come out 1/3 of the price for just as good as anything off the line!

[@hunterjarnigan7220]

I personally think it’s everyone’s fault from the company’s to the ones buying. The company’s know they can sell all this stuff cheaper but why sell cheaper when customers are paying 100k+ for their product. Even the re sell value on boats now is crazy I see guys selling 4 year old boats for 60-70k and people are buying it

[@christopherraichl8507]

i guess it depends on what hull you want since you can walk out the door with 20 foot nitro and a 250 for 54k

[@calebpayne7205]

I doubt that. My buddy just got a z18 and it was higher than that

[@purewaterswva.5409]

Price doesnt include graphs, which makes sense if you take graphs off old boat.

[@zerodohc]

Been looking at Z19s with a 200. Not the pro package. Still over 54K.@@calebpayne7205

[@jamesmurphy1040]

Thanks for breaking it down.....IKON at the classic was 122,000.....Vexus....113,000.....UFB!! But u can finance it for 10...15...20 yrs....Andy and your grew to a great job!!

[@sstatic6093]

I have a question, so if you’re a tournament fisherman are you able to make the money back to pay off the boat? And if you’re a weekend warrior do you just pay that kind of money just to use it only during the season, also is it worth paying that kind of money just to go out on the water to catch and release?

[@terrymiller9456]

My first Skeeter bass boat cost $8100 in 1980. It had a Evinrude 140 hp, 24 volt trolling motor, one locator. The next one in 1987 was $18k. I switched to aluminum in 2004 a Lund Pro V with a 115 Yamaha, for $40k. I have bought new boats every 4 years or so and the price has gotten crazy. I have now downsized to a 17 ft aluminum with a 75 hp tiller and 9k worth of electronics. Could not justify the price of a new bass boat.

[@glenndaugherity6187]

My first semi in 1976 was 36,000$ my next one in 1984 was 79,000$ same setup nothing different so there you go 👍 Shit goes up I guess.

[@JackieSmooth43]

Hell man I’m 31 married full time job and I just graduated to a 19ft 1987 monark 😂😅😂 Still gets the job done 🤷‍♂️

[@chuckpons3043]

I fish out of a 15 year old 19 and a half foot boat with a 200 that I bought brand new. I have 1 9 inch Garmin and a 36 volt foretrex trolling motor. 2 power poles. Probably have 45k in the whole thing. Catch all the fish I want. Competitive in most regional tournaments. You don’t need all that stuff to fish even larger tournaments. The industry is just making people think they do.

[@cdmartn]

Nice video idea. Like the turn around you guys have.😉 Was nice to hear your opinion. I think it’s definitely the add ons we all think we need. It’s so easy to click add and pay for it later.

[@kylemullins697]

Definitely us the customer is to blame. If we wouldn’t keep buying new ones every single year the price would come down. It’s common/simple economics. Supply/demand drive price. Stop buying for a year and the prices would tank!

[@jmac6242]

In 2019, we bought a used 20' tin boat. It is a brand I've wanted for a long time. Just added the 24v trolling motor, batteries & charger. Out the door $24k. It gets us on the water. No jackplate, No power pole. Fish finder with GPS & downscan. It's OK and we're ok. I WILL NOT SPEND $50K on a boat, Much less A $100k or more. Our house in 2010 cost us $93k. bla-bla-bla... just my 2cents...

[@Harley365]

I’m 37 years old I spent all my life fishing from the bank from a small aluminum boat or from a kayak. I finally just bought my first bass boat 1988 Skeeter SD 125 with 120 horse Johnson v4. I’ve spent the last five months fully restoring the boat. I purchased the boat motor and trailer for $1500 and when finished I had another 6000 into it. I cannot afford $100,000 boat nor will I spend that on a boat I’m very handy, so I’m perfectly fine with what I have done.

[@mikeolson7188]

Andy i Think my first house (built in 1940-ish)was about 68,000.Bought it when i was in my early 20's and working for a Suzuki Dealer(Bikes an Boats).when i Eventually took the leap an opened up my first Dealership the building was 80,000.If i remember correctly a nicely rigged 20ft BassBoat (Charger)W/200 Mariner Mag EFI Was about 40,000,maybe a tad more with some X-tras.I Think A Big Starcraft Deep vee with a 150 was around 28 or 29,000.We Sold more Aluminum Fishing rigs and Pontoons versus Fiberglass Bass Boats,but ive always kinda wondered how the Sales woulda been in todays Market had we decided to Keep the Shop going and not sell her.

[@krisramos7453]

Got my boat out on the water early this year. Started running bad think it needs carbs cleaned or built and some gaskets are going bad. All the shops around me are 3 weeks out first come first serve. Terrible timing

[@ThumperSpinnerbaits]

The consumers are to blame 100%. We keep purchasing these at those prices. If people stop paying this much and refuse to buy them the prices will come down.

[@ReelNewwt]

Can’t speak for bass boats but from what I’ve shopped, “starter” bay boats have doubled in price over the last 3 years. No electronics just boat motor trailer.

[@dhooter]

Take a look at the BassCats. Some of them are inching close to 200k. FOR A BASS TUB!!!

[@cheyennejankowski79]

#1 is the customer. We want it all and they are happy to provide it. Can we blame the companies? Maybe, probably but how are they going to give us what we want if they don't make money off of it? Inflation and the economy as a whole is a HUGE HUGE factor. Just look at everything else... cost of goods, cost of homes etc.. Super Low interest rates for way too long.. too much money printed.. etc.. Lots and lots of factors together. Not just one thing or entity..

[@Techangler65]

It’s all the above. Electronics are way off the mark. Of course all the over head, Labor, parts, materials In 1995 I bought a 18 bumble bee with 150xr6 Lowrance 1240 flashers, 24 volt trolling motor and Jack plate. Total 16,800.

[@ikrunic23]

Unfortunately everything now days is overpriced. That's just the new norm. If the demand is high, price will go up. Auto industry did the same. Last year here in Canada, dealers couldn't keep pick up trucks in their lots. If you went into a dealer, unless you were ready to sign and wait, they didn't even look at you.

[@tomspence7777]

The cost of everything has gone up. That being said, demand drives the market. Something is worth what the consumer will pay. Accessories or boats, it doesn’t matter. It’s worth what someone will pay. Yeah to answer your question in the video I bought my first house for 89,000.

[@ScruffyCityFishing]

It’s lots of things. If people keep paying for this stuff, they will keep pushing prices, but… if you want to compete and keep up, what choice do you have? John Cox enters conversation. 😂

[@danielwelch2615]

In 1998 I bought a brand new Triton Tr19 175 carbureted ,Jack plate, hot foot in dash flasher and motor guide 24 volt trolling motor 23,487.00 OTD

[@tommccoy6708]

In todays dollars that would be $43,868.95 I used an inflation calculator to come up with that number. So if you think about it, it's not much different. I just sold my 1998 Hydra Sports 185 and bought a New Bass Cat no regrets.

[@mikelewis5330]

I feel very fortunate, I bought a Nitro pro19 has all that I need, going fast with 14,000.00 worth of fish finders doesn't guarantee fish in the live well. I payed under 56k 0n a 2022 model. You must know how to fish. 100k on a boat is nuts.

[@FritzgreenFishing]

The problem is people don't want to learn how to fish.. or control a boat.. they want instant results and pay for it... I personally just finished 3rd in a tournament in a 91 Champion 97 Intruder.. 2015 lowrance Chirp7 and a maxxum pro

[@timlawrence7246]

I have a pre-insane price Ranger 520 loaded and paid $40k less with 4 graphs, scope, blades and trailer upgrades. This is out of control, and the used market is out of hand also. As soon as the loan market tops out and stops the 10-15 year loans the prices will come down. Until then these youngsters will still be paying house mortgage prices and eating top ramen

[@rogercastle2434]

and how much does it depreciate once you drag it away from the dealer? Love your videos

[@Bogeypro256]

In the last several years... Not much at all. The prices of new boats keep going up, as well as used ones.

[@texak1974]

When Covid hit, I think everyone bought up every boat and rv they could get their hands on trying to get outside to do things while tired of being locked out of their lives. Then with the supply chain issue prices continued to skyrocket. Add very high fuel prices and companies had to cover themselves for shipping all of the materials to make the products. Recipe for disaster. Just my take on it. Hope prices come back down sooner than later.

[@ClemonsBoats]

Not sure who to blame, but inflation is the biggest issue. We have seen boat prices jump 20% since 2020 and Covid debacle. The best case is we don’t see price hikes at model change over like normal once inflation slows and things normalize. I can tell you for a fact that a $100,000 boat today was $80-$85k in 2020 equipped the same way. Add in a new power pole charger, two active targets instead of one, maybe a 360, a turret and all the new goodies and they get very high. As you said in the video, everything that goes into building the boat is more in materials. Labor costs have went up as nobody wants to do the work to build the boats anymore. Then add the accessories and prices are crazy.

[@aaroncrampton5625]

In 2008 my dealer cost on A20XD with A250 pro access tandem actual trailer was $31300 resin didn't go up that much. If guys quit paying 100k they would go down or go under. Simple as that. It's the fisherman's fault

[@SkeeterAdventures]

One reason i have no problem staying with my 06 20i !!! Insanity! No way the average guy can keep up with high $ accessories and we're all guilted into "needing" them. Don't forget we're switching electronics out every 3-4 years just like any other computer products!

[@lamarstrickland5007]

Another good show. I went and commented on Mercer's last podcast. I think that would be a great show. 👍

[@kylemayer8486]

Financing is to blame. I was offered 25 year financing on a blazer 625 elite last year. To a lot of guys, $500 a month looks like a deal, even if you'll be paying for it when you're dead.

[@ashleywynn4923]

Everything with boats are crazy. Realistically not much difference between a 12v 30lb verses a 36v 105lb trolling motor. Its a dc motor with seals to protect it from water. Its a few windings, iron core and some magnets. Its crazy

[@tomspence7777]

This is why my 2022 Caymas is being towed by a 2005 Silverado. I can have a nice boat or a nice truck… not both.